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  • Albert
    For myself, a Christian,... Surprise me, was the last thing I thought you could do... Albert. - not picking a fight ! ... From: louise
    Message 1 of 5 , Mar 28, 2006
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      "For myself, a Christian,..."
      Surprise me, was the last thing I thought you could do...

      Albert.
      - not picking a fight !


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      From: "louise" <hecubatoher@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:02 AM
      Subject: [existlist] success


      > What is it? Words can neither produce nor measure this somewhat
      > elusive concept, success. At least, it is elusive in nature at an
      > existential philosophy list, where so many are sidetracked by potent
      > distractions indeed - politics, socialised complexes of feeling,
      > hanging on to their attached value-systems as though for grim death,
      > even, it seems at times, sex. Existential philosophical success is
      > marked by realised being. For myself, a Christian, I think this
      > realised being is outside time, so that whatever success is attained
      > in time, in this cotidian, earthly life, carries across also to life-
      > beyond-death. Could be called happiness, whatever, the words, as
      > usual, only take us so far. Still waiting and hoping for the same
      > outcome, at this list: freedom to speak, converse, argue, within a
      > mutually respected framework of rules.
      >
      > Louise
      > ... battling for Nooism
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    • mariaprophetessa
      Louise, To revisit Philippi is only to see again the crows replace the eagles. It s an augury without a heart. The gulf between atheism and theism, whether
      Message 2 of 5 , Mar 28, 2006
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        Louise,

        To revisit Philippi is only to see again the crows replace the
        eagles. It's an augury without a heart. The gulf between atheism and
        theism, whether couched in existential terms or not, still remains.
        Your nooist approach is gentle but only shared only by couple
        individuals. Nothing wrong with that. Eventually, things will get
        down and dirty, because the morality that appeals to you, won't
        appeal to others. People will get angry and attack in order to
        defend their own positions. But if you insist . . .

        Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war.

        Mary

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "louise" <hecubatoher@...> wrote:
        >
        > What is it? Words can neither produce nor measure this somewhat
        > elusive concept, success. At least, it is elusive in nature at an
        > existential philosophy list, where so many are sidetracked by
        potent
        > distractions indeed - politics, socialised complexes of feeling,
        > hanging on to their attached value-systems as though for grim
        death,
        > even, it seems at times, sex. Existential philosophical success
        is
        > marked by realised being. For myself, a Christian, I think this
        > realised being is outside time, so that whatever success is
        attained
        > in time, in this cotidian, earthly life, carries across also to
        life-
        > beyond-death. Could be called happiness, whatever, the words, as
        > usual, only take us so far. Still waiting and hoping for the same
        > outcome, at this list: freedom to speak, converse, argue, within a
        > mutually respected framework of rules.
        >
        > Louise
        > ... battling for Nooism
        >
      • Aija Veldre Beldavs
        i don t think it is people, but the lords of war who need war. those who die by the thousands and millions or return crippled and ruined for normal life
        Message 3 of 5 , Mar 28, 2006
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          i don't think it is "people," but the lords of war who need war. those who
          die by the thousands and millions or return crippled and ruined for normal
          life aren't first of all in the commander's tent, to say nothing of the
          throne not even on the battlefield. and that is to say nothing about wars
          against women and children who generally don't have the big guns but get
          killed, raped, and enslaved.

          the kind of "innate violence" some are talking about in this list is an
          individual or small party thing leading to intergroup raids of small
          scale. wars emerge with organized military society, professional
          soldiers, with civilization. wars are not "natural" but man-made.

          aija

          > To revisit Philippi is only to see again the crows replace the
          > eagles. It's an augury without a heart. The gulf between atheism and
          > theism, whether couched in existential terms or not, still remains.
          > Your nooist approach is gentle but only shared only by couple
          > individuals. Nothing wrong with that. Eventually, things will get
          > down and dirty, because the morality that appeals to you, won't
          > appeal to others. People will get angry and attack in order to
          > defend their own positions. But if you insist . . .
          >
          > Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war.
          >
          > Mary
        • mariaprophetessa
          I agree that real wars are more serious than philosophical skirmishes, but there has long been a position here in our prison exercise yard, that wars are
          Message 4 of 5 , Mar 28, 2006
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            I agree that "real" wars are more serious than philosophical
            skirmishes, but there has long been a position here in our prison
            exercise yard, that wars are fought for practical reasons and
            religious reasons which often become mingled. Like Dennett says,
            there are those who seriously believe in a god and those who believe
            in the belief of god. The former like Caesar and the latter like the
            fickle citizenry. Both can be dangerous when put into positions of
            power, active or passive. Cassius and Brutus argued strategy and
            then mainly soldiers died. We fight with more sophisticated weapons
            on behalf of all our stories, but the fittest meme is the one that
            will survive, possibly in our lifetimes. In days of despair it
            appears that meme is falling onto our swords. I suspect that more
            folks would treat one another more respectfully if they thought that
            this life is all there is. But there remains the problem of the
            stranger, the other who just doesn't see it that way. No
            civilization, no war? How do we go back before turning the planet
            into a glass ashtray? Where goes the phoenix except into another
            burning nest?

            Mary Jo

            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Aija Veldre Beldavs <beldavsa@...>
            wrote:
            >
            >
            > i don't think it is "people," but the lords of war who need war.
            those who
            > die by the thousands and millions or return crippled and ruined
            for normal
            > life aren't first of all in the commander's tent, to say nothing
            of the
            > throne not even on the battlefield. and that is to say nothing
            about wars
            > against women and children who generally don't have the big guns
            but get
            > killed, raped, and enslaved.
            >
            > the kind of "innate violence" some are talking about in this list
            is an
            > individual or small party thing leading to intergroup raids of
            small
            > scale. wars emerge with organized military society, professional
            > soldiers, with civilization. wars are not "natural" but man-made.
            >
            > aija
            >
            > > To revisit Philippi is only to see again the crows replace the
            > > eagles. It's an augury without a heart. The gulf between atheism
            and
            > > theism, whether couched in existential terms or not, still
            remains.
            > > Your nooist approach is gentle but only shared only by couple
            > > individuals. Nothing wrong with that. Eventually, things will get
            > > down and dirty, because the morality that appeals to you, won't
            > > appeal to others. People will get angry and attack in order to
            > > defend their own positions. But if you insist . . .
            > >
            > > Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war.
            > >
            > > Mary
            >
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