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  • Uli
    Rajib, hi, i didn t say anything because i don t have any new argument. I loved Krishna s story and if you have more, i ll be happy to hear them. regards,
    Message 1 of 6 , Dec 1, 1999
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      Rajib, hi, i didn't say anything because i don't
      have any new argument. I loved Krishna's story and
      if you have more, i'll be happy to hear them.
      regards, Delia





      Rajiv Pande wrote:

      > Dear all,
      > Waiting for Charles and Delia's comments on the
      > Krishna story, and further applications of it.
      > All I need to know is whether it makes sense in
      > the existential framework or not to distinguish
      > between Mind - as physical - and Consciousness,
      > as non-physical.
      >
      >
      > Regards
      > Rajiv
      >
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    • Rajiv Pande
      Dear all, Waiting for Charles and Delia s comments on the Krishna story, and further applications of it. All I need to know is whether it makes sense in the
      Message 2 of 6 , Dec 1, 1999
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        Dear all,
        Waiting for Charles and Delia's comments on the Krishna story, and further applications of it. All I need to know is whether it makes sense in the existential framework or not to distinguish between Mind - as physical - and Consciousness, as non-physical.

        Gretchyn, I fully agree that linear time is an illusion. It is, in the scientific context, a mere calculational tool. As an artificial concept, it "explains" the behavior of the universe. Similarly "mass" is the subjective experience of gravity, and length somehow ceases to be absolute in a curved space-time universe. Science bases its calculations and predictions on the three fundamental dimensions of Length, Mass and Time, and further rationalizes the almost mystical concept of Energy - as a piece of action such that E = MLT-2. Is Energy really a "piece of action" quantifiable in terms of length, mass and time? Aternatively, are L, M and T, truly fundamental dimensions? (In the sense that they can fully describe all of physical existence)
        Regards
        Rajiv
      • Rajiv Pande
        Hello folks, For the last few days I have found your letters make interesting reading. Today there was some discussion about clones - the frightening aspects
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          Hello folks,
          For the last few days I have found your letters make interesting reading. Today there was some discussion about clones - the frightening aspects of it - by Yana [the least liked!], and Gretchyn Lenger. Frankly what's wrong in a clone? I am sure he or she would be entirely a different individual in comparison to the original. What about identical twins brought up in more or less the same atmosphere? Some of them are radically different. As a medical student I thought about the wonders of our brain. Though the anatomy is the same, the physiology is different. Each person reacts differently to a situation, unlike, say our digestive system, which produces the same kind of acids and enzymes. About the world problems - they will remain, clone or no clone - and about the food getting saved, I don't think that would be the case as we are not producing a robot, but a totally complete individual not conceived in the normal sense, but produced and grown outside the womb. I think if we do start clone production, then it should be of someone like Einstein, maybe he won't come with the theory of relativity, but come with something equally brilliant. Also Yana's letter set me thinking about a particular upbringing causing a shocked reaction to something one is not used to [which is quite true]. So this sense of right and wrong - how much of it is environmental and how much from within? This "I" we talk about - how much of it is environmental, and how much of it is natural and unique especially as something "already there". Readers, what are your views.
          Regards
          Vanaja (the wife)
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          • Gretchyn Lenger
            Rajiv, Interseting concepts. Can we say that even if we could fully describe all of physical existence, it is only the physical we are capable of perceiving
            Message 5 of 6 , Dec 1, 1999
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              Rajiv,

              Interseting concepts. Can we say that even if we could "fully describe"
              all of physical existence, it is only the physical we are capable of
              perceiving and understanding. How do we know we aren't just skating along
              the edge of the universal petri dish, thinking that's everything, when
              maybe we haven't ever been inside. This has to be true if you consider the
              possiblility of dimensional realities we can't even perceive.

              What do you think about this. For I don't know how long metaphysicians
              and
              Eastern spiritualists have been talking about the responsive nature of the
              universe and the matter in it. We like to call this creative
              manifestation. I saw an article buried in a magazine probably more than a
              year ago that a study at John Hopkins proved that quarks respond to
              expectation. I find this both not surprising and very interesting - do you
              know what I mean? This all seems to support what mystics call the "unified
              field" and what Stephen Hawkins tried to explain in unifying micro and
              macro views of the universe (by the way, I can't pretend to comprehend
              physics but I can grok the concepts). Anyway, I'm babbling a little but I
              love this stuff.


              On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Rajiv Pande wrote:

              > Dear all,
              > Waiting for Charles and Delia's comments on the Krishna story, and further applications of it. All I need to know is whether it makes sense in the existential framework or not to distinguish between Mind - as physical - and Consciousness, as non-physical.
              >
              > Gretchyn, I fully agree that linear time is an illusion. It is, in the scientific context, a mere calculational tool. As an artificial concept, it "explains" the behavior of the universe. Similarly "mass" is the subjective experience of gravity, and length somehow ceases to be absolute in a curved space-time universe. Science bases its calculations and predictions on the three fundamental dimensions of Length, Mass and Time, and further rationalizes the almost mystical concept of Energy - as a piece of action such that E = MLT-2. Is Energy really a "piece of action" quantifiable in terms of length, mass and time? Aternatively, are L, M and T, truly fundamental dimensions? (In the sense that they can fully describe all of physical existence)
              > Regards
              > Rajiv
              >
            • Yana Youhana
              Rajiv, I want to hear the Krishna story, can you please e-mail it to me. thanx! ~yana
              Message 6 of 6 , Dec 1, 1999
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                Rajiv,
                I want to hear the Krishna story, can you please
                e-mail it to me. thanx!

                ~yana


                >From: Uli <uli@...>
                >Reply-To: existlist@onelist.com
                >To: existlist@onelist.com
                >Subject: Re: [existlist] Digest Number 91
                >Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:00:18 +0200
                >
                >Rajib, hi, i didn't say anything because i don't
                >have any new argument. I loved Krishna's story and
                >if you have more, i'll be happy to hear them.
                >regards, Delia
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >Rajiv Pande wrote:
                >
                > > Dear all,
                > > Waiting for Charles and Delia's comments on the
                > > Krishna story, and further applications of it.
                > > All I need to know is whether it makes sense in
                > > the existential framework or not to distinguish
                > > between Mind - as physical - and Consciousness,
                > > as non-physical.
                > >
                > >
                > > Regards
                > > Rajiv
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
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