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  • gevans613@aol.com
    In a message dated 02/12/2005 12:43:13 GMT Standard Time, hecubatoher@yahoo.co.uk writes: The young boy does not shit. Have you heard of light?? We are
    Message 1 of 2 , Dec 2, 2005
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      In a message dated 02/12/2005 12:43:13 GMT Standard Time,
      hecubatoher@... writes:

      The young boy does not shit.

      Have you heard of light??

      We are waiting.
      Jud:
      If what you say is true that should send for the white van [or the white
      elephant] immediately and administer a hot enema forthwith.
      A pinch of paprika or turmeric added to the infusion should help to do the
      trick. He should thereafter be handed over to specially selected
      psychiatrists who have been previously deprogrammed of the myth of mind and will treat
      the poor lad as being sick of brain rather than being sick of *mind*.
      Why deprogrammed white coats? Because psychiatry will be re-examined soon
      when the myth of a psyche is finally exposed - particularly the rump of
      psychiatrists who still believe that the problems of the *mentally disturbed* are
      to be found in an imagined putative mind, and who persist in treating this
      purported *mind* with drugs, presumably under the naive impression that
      chemicals can affect something which does not exist. If they believe that chemical
      can *work* on something that does not exist then why don't they stop pouring
      chemicals down the throats of those unfortunates who suffer from malfunctions
      of their neurological nets - why don't they drive to the end of Brighton Pier
      and pour their noxious fluids on the heads of non-existent mermaids as they
      sit on the rocks at high water to comb with non-existent combs their
      non-existent tresses? Ironically it is not only the psychiatric money-makers who
      believe that the *mind* exists, but many of the *anti-psychiatric movement* who
      are also unwilling to accept that people who display forms of behaviour
      considered different from the norm, or manifest forms of bizarre conduct, or violent
      and destructive/self-destructive activity are actually suffering from a
      physical and strictly biological malfunction as is the case with this poor
      deranged Indian boy.

      Not surprisingly the confusion engendered by this ancient folk
      psychology with its eldritch faith in an ontological difference twixt brain-meat
      and *mind produces all kinds of confused misapprehensions. Exponents of what
      is laughingly referred to as * the science of psychology* provide a torrent of
      supernatural definitions of mental health and mental illness. None of their
      fantasies are the slightest bit convincing - but that does not stem the
      welter of books and articles and papers which flow from our institutions of higher
      learning with the subsequent burden on the taxpayer, whose money would be
      far better invested in sensible, professional and well-equipped research in the
      sphere of the biological reality - the living, functioning or malfunctioning
      human brain-meat, much in the same way that specialist doctors address
      problems of the heart, the liver and the hip-joints etc.

      Imagine if there was a similar situation and heart-specialists believed that
      there was some intangible *spirit* in the pumping-heart that needed
      treatment, rather than the valves. What if a liver a heptologist or liver specialist
      believed that some homunculus was squatting in the arterial hepatica blocking
      the flow of blood to that organ, or that hepatic cirrhosis was caused by a
      degeneration of that organ brought about by the stresses caused by the
      uncertainties of sexual identity, or job loss, or mother-in-law trouble.

      The fact is that there is no general agreement among psychologists
      and psychiatrists and the whole area is one of risible disarray about the
      nature of *mental health* or *mental illness* with an absence of universally
      received definitions, and no canonical criterion by which to judge one
      *psychological state* from another stems from the fact that most diagnosis and
      management of patients in psychiatry, especially biological psychiatry, presupposes
      the existence of something called *mental illness,* [rather than brain
      misfunction) These white-coated ones even refer to these problems as *mental
      disease* or *mental disorder,* and refer to the patient as being affected by a
      *disease* of the *mind* when in fact it is a disorder of the BODY, and therefore
      should ONLY be treated by those doctors suitably qualified to treat the
      human body and not by people who believe in some imagined *spirit* which is
      thought to abide in that body, in a similar way that African pigmies believe that
      the *spirit of the great white crocodile* resides within the trunk of the
      baobab tree.

      Meanwhile God help the poor wretch sitting cross-legged and constipated
      'neath the banyan tree - the uncaring transcendentalists will let him die and
      rot in the forlorn hope that a clogged-up Lord Buddha has returned once more
      to save the land of India from technology or some other Heideggerian-style
      nonsense.




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    • Herman B. Triplegood
      Jud: There you go again. (quoting Ronnie Reagan here) So, let me see if I get the gist of what you re saying: Never mind. ? Our daughter in California wants
      Message 2 of 2 , Dec 2, 2005
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        Jud:



        "There you go again." (quoting Ronnie Reagan here)



        So, let me see if I get the gist of what you're saying:



        Never mind.



        ?



        Our daughter in California wants to become a forensic psychologist. So I
        bought a copy of the DSM-IV to give her for Christmas. We sat down and got
        to reading it here and there, which was really quite entertaining, because I
        kept remarking, that's me! No, that's me! Wait a minute! That's definitely
        me! It's enough to give one a full blown identity crisis. At least I'm with
        you, at least part of the way, in that I don't have a lot of faith in the
        psychological witch doctor. I still hope that I can talk her into becoming a
        philosopher instead of a psychologist. Anyway, it won't be such a bad thing
        if what she learns can contribute to putting away a few serial killers for
        the long haul to the needle they have earned. In that case, I guess, the
        effort to figure out what's on somebody's *mind* won't be such a bad thing
        after all.



        Hb3g

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        Of gevans613@...
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        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [existlist] Addressed to Fidelistas



        In a message dated 02/12/2005 12:43:13 GMT Standard Time,
        hecubatoher@... writes:

        The young boy does not shit.

        Have you heard of light??

        We are waiting.
        Jud:
        If what you say is true that should send for the white van [or the white
        elephant] immediately and administer a hot enema forthwith.
        A pinch of paprika or turmeric added to the infusion should help to do the
        trick. He should thereafter be handed over to specially selected
        psychiatrists who have been previously deprogrammed of the myth of mind and
        will treat
        the poor lad as being sick of brain rather than being sick of *mind*.
        Why deprogrammed white coats? Because psychiatry will be re-examined soon
        when the myth of a psyche is finally exposed - particularly the rump of
        psychiatrists who still believe that the problems of the *mentally
        disturbed* are
        to be found in an imagined putative mind, and who persist in treating this
        purported *mind* with drugs, presumably under the naive impression that
        chemicals can affect something which does not exist. If they believe that
        chemical
        can *work* on something that does not exist then why don't they stop
        pouring
        chemicals down the throats of those unfortunates who suffer from
        malfunctions
        of their neurological nets - why don't they drive to the end of Brighton
        Pier
        and pour their noxious fluids on the heads of non-existent mermaids as they

        sit on the rocks at high water to comb with non-existent combs their
        non-existent tresses? Ironically it is not only the psychiatric
        money-makers who
        believe that the *mind* exists, but many of the *anti-psychiatric movement*
        who
        are also unwilling to accept that people who display forms of behaviour
        considered different from the norm, or manifest forms of bizarre conduct,
        or violent
        and destructive/self-destructive activity are actually suffering from a
        physical and strictly biological malfunction as is the case with this poor
        deranged Indian boy.

        Not surprisingly the confusion engendered by this ancient folk
        psychology with its eldritch faith in an ontological difference twixt
        brain-meat
        and *mind produces all kinds of confused misapprehensions. Exponents of
        what
        is laughingly referred to as * the science of psychology* provide a torrent
        of
        supernatural definitions of mental health and mental illness. None of their

        fantasies are the slightest bit convincing - but that does not stem the
        welter of books and articles and papers which flow from our institutions of
        higher
        learning with the subsequent burden on the taxpayer, whose money would be
        far better invested in sensible, professional and well-equipped research in
        the
        sphere of the biological reality - the living, functioning or
        malfunctioning
        human brain-meat, much in the same way that specialist doctors address
        problems of the heart, the liver and the hip-joints etc.

        Imagine if there was a similar situation and heart-specialists believed
        that
        there was some intangible *spirit* in the pumping-heart that needed
        treatment, rather than the valves. What if a liver a heptologist or liver
        specialist
        believed that some homunculus was squatting in the arterial hepatica
        blocking
        the flow of blood to that organ, or that hepatic cirrhosis was caused by a
        degeneration of that organ brought about by the stresses caused by the
        uncertainties of sexual identity, or job loss, or mother-in-law trouble.

        The fact is that there is no general agreement among psychologists

        and psychiatrists and the whole area is one of risible disarray about the
        nature of *mental health* or *mental illness* with an absence of
        universally
        received definitions, and no canonical criterion by which to judge one
        *psychological state* from another stems from the fact that most diagnosis
        and
        management of patients in psychiatry, especially biological psychiatry,
        presupposes
        the existence of something called *mental illness,* [rather than brain
        misfunction) These white-coated ones even refer to these problems as
        *mental
        disease* or *mental disorder,* and refer to the patient as being affected
        by a
        *disease* of the *mind* when in fact it is a disorder of the BODY, and
        therefore
        should ONLY be treated by those doctors suitably qualified to treat the
        human body and not by people who believe in some imagined *spirit* which is

        thought to abide in that body, in a similar way that African pigmies
        believe that
        the *spirit of the great white crocodile* resides within the trunk of the
        baobab tree.

        Meanwhile God help the poor wretch sitting cross-legged and constipated
        'neath the banyan tree - the uncaring transcendentalists will let him die
        and
        rot in the forlorn hope that a clogged-up Lord Buddha has returned once
        more
        to save the land of India from technology or some other Heideggerian-style
        nonsense.




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