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The counterintuatives

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  • bhvwd
    Herman, I have a tendancy to preform against expected expectations. I finish jobs but often with outcomes unexpected at the outset.I know this arises from
    Message 1 of 2 , Dec 1, 2005
      Herman, I have a tendancy to preform against expected expectations.
      I finish jobs but often with outcomes unexpected at the outset.I
      know this arises from my high regard for the importance of change
      that occurs during the course of a project or endeavour. I am a
      constant victim of interest and thus have a keen appreciation when
      a fellow like Bookdoc takes the theme up on a philosophical scale. I
      think it only prudent to follow ones talents but in my case I
      risked the possibility of becoming a lifelong dilletante. I have
      been a jock and a scholar, a doctor and a ditchdigger, a soldier and
      a labor activist. Recently I returned to common laborer and found
      great satisfaction. It is as if I start out in one production and
      some unknown director changes the script and plot. If I resist the
      futility drives me to yet another senario. Free will? Hell, I would
      be better off with freedom from olfactory interferance.
      I sense some similarity with your bounced around trajectory. I
      have come to see that a generality of experience is a necessity when
      trying to make sense of life. That ongoing process need be coupled
      with an inquisative mind and an explorative attitude. Many think
      such types to be the dangerous empaths. Boinc them.
      Knowing their proclivities and wanting to avoid conflict with
      such may be a mistake of the Prime Minister level. But then the
      concept of prime minister represents as machaviellian in its
      presance.
      We will get smarter or we will perish. I am taking sides and
      degrees really do not matter. Bill
    • Herman B. Triplegood
      Bill: I was tickled by Ayn Rand s depiction of the great philosopher of human freedom in Atlas Shrugged as one who gave up the academic pursuit of the subject
      Message 2 of 2 , Dec 1, 2005
        Bill:



        I was tickled by Ayn Rand's depiction of the great philosopher of human
        freedom in Atlas Shrugged as one who gave up the academic pursuit of the
        subject and earned his living making the best darned hamburgers in Colorado.
        That is not to say that there are not many admirable professionals in the
        field worth learning from who in that academic environment can and do
        cultivate it as a professional interest in the minds of the younger
        generation and also achieve great accomplishments in the name of
        scholarship.



        Some are gifted to be teachers; others are called by scholarship. To each
        his own. They all have a place. If it were not for the nitty gritty brass
        tacks nuts and bolts kind who take the time to learn the Greek, the German,
        and to pore over the texts in their original languages, paragraph by
        paragraph, sentence by sentence, I would not be sitting here, having the
        good fortune now, to be able to read Heidegger or Husserl in my own
        language. My hat is off to the scholar for helping to swing open the doors
        to this delightful understanding for me, and to the teachers who have
        inspired my interests.



        There are dilettantes, and then there are incredibly well rounded
        intellects. Often the former accusation is thrown at the latter, because the
        specialists, perhaps, may feel slighted for the lack of recognition for the
        magnitude of their tedious contribution. But the generalist also has a
        place. Was Voltaire just a dilettante? He wrote about just about everything
        under the Sun. William James began as a medical doctor, he went into
        psychology, then philosophy, and from there, had some things to say about
        religion as well.



        I cannot turn the clock back twenty years in order to make a different
        choice, to get serious, hunker down, hit the books, write the papers, and
        get a license to drive philosophy. But that does not disappoint me. If I had
        not taken the roads that I did, I might have ended up being an uninspired
        academician, and would have missed out on many of the other nifty things I
        have experienced along the way. There can be no room for this kind of
        regret. All I can say is that my hobby enlivens me, and it continues to stir
        my interest in the big questions. It makes my life more meaningful to engage
        in these dialogues, here, as well as more silently when I'm buried into the
        tough readings.



        The professor who originally inspired my interest in philosophy over twenty
        years ago used to ask this question. Is it more important to have just a few
        people who know a lot about philosophy (academicians and scholars), or is it
        more important for a lot of people to know a little bit about philosophy? He
        was, himself, an amazingly educated man, schooled in Madrid, could speak
        classical languages and German, French, Italian, fluently, and he was a
        master when it came to Kant, Hegel and Husserl. Yet, he always said his
        personal take on the matter was that the latter is more important than the
        former. Yes, he admired his colleague who has, to this day, devoted his
        entire philosophical career to just the study of Galileo. But he personally
        felt that philosophy had to be relevant to the MITS (Man in the Street) if
        it was to survive into the future as a lively academic discipline. He often
        commented that he would probably be just as happy, knowing what he knew
        about philosophy, but earning a living as a computer programmer, and he was
        in fact studying that field after having been a teacher of philosophy for at
        least a couple of decades. He was no dilettante, nor was he a victim of his
        interest, but I can certainly understand how some people could end up being
        victimized just that way. The usual sign of that is superficiality. It is
        possible, I think, to read broadly, but also deeply.



        I enjoy your thoughtful remarks on the topic at hand.

        Hb3g



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        Of bhvwd
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        Subject: [existlist] The counterintuatives



        Herman, I have a tendancy to preform against expected expectations.
        I finish jobs but often with outcomes unexpected at the outset.I
        know this arises from my high regard for the importance of change
        that occurs during the course of a project or endeavour. I am a
        constant victim of interest and thus have a keen appreciation when
        a fellow like Bookdoc takes the theme up on a philosophical scale. I
        think it only prudent to follow ones talents but in my case I
        risked the possibility of becoming a lifelong dilletante. I have
        been a jock and a scholar, a doctor and a ditchdigger, a soldier and
        a labor activist. Recently I returned to common laborer and found
        great satisfaction. It is as if I start out in one production and
        some unknown director changes the script and plot. If I resist the
        futility drives me to yet another senario. Free will? Hell, I would
        be better off with freedom from olfactory interferance.
        I sense some similarity with your bounced around trajectory. I
        have come to see that a generality of experience is a necessity when
        trying to make sense of life. That ongoing process need be coupled
        with an inquisative mind and an explorative attitude. Many think
        such types to be the dangerous empaths. Boinc them.
        Knowing their proclivities and wanting to avoid conflict with
        such may be a mistake of the Prime Minister level. But then the
        concept of prime minister represents as machaviellian in its
        presance.
        We will get smarter or we will perish. I am taking sides and
        degrees really do not matter. Bill






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