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  • louise
    It s not illegal. But is it existentialism?? Whilst I gave up political activism in the early 1990 s, I continue to believe that philosophy, including
    Message 1 of 4 , Dec 1, 2005
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      It's not illegal. But is it existentialism??

      Whilst I gave up political activism in the early 1990's, I continue to
      believe that philosophy, including existentialism (and I think it
      would be good to keep attempting new, varied definitions for same),
      cannot meet the reality of what it is to be here human, physical,
      ensouled, capable of ascent and descent, even this side of death, must
      embrace an awareness of politics, even if in the form of conscious
      renunciation of the world. That is ethics. That is responsibility.
      That is strenuousness. Not to criticise, Herman, just to attempt to
      clarify, no serious monk, interested in alchemy, would want to make
      ingots. Says she, trusting to intuition. Actually, men like Thomas
      Vaughan are too intensely spiritual for a seeker in different waters,
      like myself, to spend much time with. It is sweet, to know they
      are 'out there'. For I believe they are so, these spirits, in some
      sense. It is the truth, which dwells within us ... or we exile her.

      Louise
    • louise
      sorry about the wayward syntax - after death , read, without embracing . does that do the trick? i try. ... continue to ... same), ... must ...
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 1, 2005
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        sorry about the wayward syntax - after 'death', read, 'without
        embracing'. does that do the trick? i try.

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "louise" <hecubatoher@y...> wrote:
        >
        > It's not illegal. But is it existentialism??
        >
        > Whilst I gave up political activism in the early 1990's, I
        continue to
        > believe that philosophy, including existentialism (and I think it
        > would be good to keep attempting new, varied definitions for
        same),
        > cannot meet the reality of what it is to be here human, physical,
        > ensouled, capable of ascent and descent, even this side of death,
        must
        > embrace an awareness of politics, even if in the form of conscious
        > renunciation of the world. That is ethics. That is
        responsibility.
        > That is strenuousness. Not to criticise, Herman, just to attempt
        to
        > clarify, no serious monk, interested in alchemy, would want to
        make
        > ingots. Says she, trusting to intuition. Actually, men like
        Thomas
        > Vaughan are too intensely spiritual for a seeker in different
        waters,
        > like myself, to spend much time with. It is sweet, to know they
        > are 'out there'. For I believe they are so, these spirits, in
        some
        > sense. It is the truth, which dwells within us ... or we exile
        her.
        >
        > Louise
        >
      • Herman B. Triplegood
        Louise: I think you are right about the serious monks. The ones who knew what alchemy was really about did not waste their time doing the puffer thing, a
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 1, 2005
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          Louise:



          I think you are right about the serious monks. The ones who knew what
          alchemy was really about did not waste their time doing the puffer thing, a
          pejorative used back then to identify the naïve ones who presented alchemy
          as a gold manufacturing enterprise. Vaughan is intense indeed. His House of
          Light is a beautiful piece of mystic prose/poetry. Others are also inspiring
          in this way. The Book of Lambspring is one of my all time favorite pieces,
          and the thousands of engravings that go along with the texts from the
          fifteenth through seventeenth centuries can often teach far more than the
          words themselves. Your remarks on the political relevance of philosophy are
          an expression of the need for philosophy to make a difference in the world
          of human relations. Interestingly, even if one takes that road of
          renunciation of which you speak, which many monks, and alchemists, did, the
          end result should be, and often is, a profound impact upon the society, the
          culture, and the politics. The hermits invariably have something to say, in
          spite of their dedication to the life of silence, hard work, and simple
          living. By the way, a little news from India: This is strictly rumor that I
          got from my boss at work. There is this young man over there who has been
          sitting under a tree for the past couple of months. This has stirred up a
          lot of interest among the locals, and the Indian government is taking a look
          at the matter. Could it be…?



          Hb3g



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          Of louise
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          Subject: [existlist] Why Not?



          It's not illegal. But is it existentialism??

          Whilst I gave up political activism in the early 1990's, I continue to
          believe that philosophy, including existentialism (and I think it
          would be good to keep attempting new, varied definitions for same),
          cannot meet the reality of what it is to be here human, physical,
          ensouled, capable of ascent and descent, even this side of death, must
          embrace an awareness of politics, even if in the form of conscious
          renunciation of the world. That is ethics. That is responsibility.
          That is strenuousness. Not to criticise, Herman, just to attempt to
          clarify, no serious monk, interested in alchemy, would want to make
          ingots. Says she, trusting to intuition. Actually, men like Thomas
          Vaughan are too intensely spiritual for a seeker in different waters,
          like myself, to spend much time with. It is sweet, to know they
          are 'out there'. For I believe they are so, these spirits, in some
          sense. It is the truth, which dwells within us ... or we exile her.

          Louise





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        • Exist List Moderator
          ... The problem with mixing existentialism and politics is much the same as mixing existentialism and religion: the major figures are from a range of beliefs.
          Message 4 of 4 , Dec 9, 2005
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            On Dec 01, 2005, at 11:56, louise wrote:

            > Whilst I gave up political activism in the early 1990's, I continue to
            > believe that philosophy, including existentialism (and I think it
            > would be good to keep attempting new, varied definitions for same),
            > cannot meet the reality of what it is to be here human, physical,
            > ensouled, capable of ascent and descent, even this side of death, must
            > embrace an awareness of politics, even if in the form of conscious
            > renunciation of the world. That is ethics. That is responsibility.

            The problem with mixing existentialism and politics is much the same as
            mixing existentialism and religion: the major figures are from a range
            of beliefs. Sartre's Marxism would not mix easily with Nietzsche or
            Kierkegaard, and we know that both Husserl and Hegel were perverted by
            the left and right.

            If you read the comments on the Existential Primer, I have been told
            there is no way I can be a thinking individual and be a capitalist and
            libertarian. The only way to think, if I were smart, would be to
            embrace Marx or democratic socialism. Of course, the individuals
            commenting are substituting capitalism as it is over the economic and
            political theory, which like communism would demand that people
            actually be honest and follow legal and ethical obligations.

            I believe in no political system as the "ideal" because people are not
            naturally kind, caring, sharing creatures. We know that the people who
            become leaders in any system are self-centered egoists. You cannot tell
            me Hugo Chavez is a great democratic socialist while he does away with
            limits on presidential power in Venezuela. We cannot look to China,
            France, or Germany for an ideal system. All political systems, in the
            end, are great in theory and lousy in practice.

            Being an "activist" is probably best left to acting as a balance to
            whomever is in power. No one person or party should have power for too
            long. A good activist would probably be the person calling for limits
            on power, not offering more power to whomever he or she supports.

            I might agree with one or two leaders at any moment, but I'd never
            trust them with unlimited power. This is why I would not campaign for a
            person, but would for certain ideas, propositions, or amendments that
            limit powers of political organizations.

            Freedom requires more distribution of power, not concentration of it.

            - C. S. Wyatt
            I am what I am at this moment, not what I was and certainly not all
            that I shall be.
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