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  • Ross Bonlay
    Hey hows things?Some all good and some all bad i suppose,but thats just how life goes, as our existnce is just one infinate sphere with no particular
    Message 1 of 8 , Sep 2, 2005
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      Hey hows things?Some all good and some all bad i suppose,but thats just how "life" goes, as our existnce is just one infinate sphere with no particular centre,or the centre bieng your self and working from there.So saying,one being egoless,is someone just being,and one acting on their decisions and excepting their responsability,is a preson in the struggle of life?so why cant we just be,rather than struggle?The anser being,we have to grow up the way sociaty wants us to grow, to mold us into the perfect citizen,law abiding,hard working,family raring etc.just in general, "the right way to live",but is this the right way to live? I dont know,im finding it hard to get my head around things.Ive only heard about this existential theory lately and it makes more sense than anything,its a bit complicated,but im trying,i havent much of an education but ive enough to know that what we hear,see,touch,smell,taste and think,is not the only thing in front of us.



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    • louise
      Welcome to the list, Ross. Seems to me that a sense of not knowing, and being interested, is the most perfect place to start. We are a very mixed bunch, and
      Message 2 of 8 , Sep 2, 2005
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        Welcome to the list, Ross. Seems to me that a sense of not knowing,
        and being interested, is the most perfect place to start. We are a
        very mixed bunch, and any given day can be different from another.
        Please have the patience to stick around. Just being seems quite a
        good idea, though there may be many ways to be. Quite often just
        being confused is the way that seems to me to make most sense,
        though I have this stubborn intimation that it's temporary.
        Philosophy I guess is about questioning, such as, what does it mean
        to be a perfect citizen? Some would say obedient, some the
        opposite. Old questions, always relevant. I'm sleepy with it all,
        often I'm thinking just to earn myself a rest from having to think.
        I don't want to live unawares, and our Western economies seem to
        have vested interests in letting us slumber ... Ah well, time to
        stop thinking for a while. Louise

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Ross Bonlay <rossbonlay@y...>
        wrote:
        > Hey hows things?Some all good and some all bad i suppose,but thats
        just how "life" goes, as our existnce is just one infinate sphere
        with no particular centre,or the centre bieng your self and working
        from there.So saying,one being egoless,is someone just being,and one
        acting on their decisions and excepting their responsability,is a
        preson in the struggle of life?so why cant we just be,rather than
        struggle?The anser being,we have to grow up the way sociaty wants us
        to grow, to mold us into the perfect citizen,law abiding,hard
        working,family raring etc.just in general, "the right way to
        live",but is this the right way to live? I dont know,im finding it
        hard to get my head around things.Ive only heard about this
        existential theory lately and it makes more sense than anything,its
        a bit complicated,but im trying,i havent much of an education but
        ive enough to know that what we hear,see,touch,smell,taste and
        think,is not the only thing in front of us.
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      • ari_akkermans
        Hello, guys.... a brief intro here. My name is Ari Akkermans, I m 22 years old living in Israel (came here three years ago). I m a former classical philologist
        Message 3 of 8 , Dec 19, 2005
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          Hello, guys.... a brief intro here. My name is Ari Akkermans, I'm 22
          years old living in Israel (came here three years ago). I'm a former
          classical philologist and currently venturing into philosophy.

          I'm having the great opportunity to enjoy a "private-study" year with
          some possible 6-months extension, and then perhaps back to the UK. I've
          been very interested in religious existentialism and different sorts of
          counternelightment and irrational-so-called philosophy, in particular
          from within the reactionaries against German Idealism and the Hegelian
          system. I am as Rosenstock said a "Dear fellow Jew, post-Christum natum
          et post-Hegel mortuum!".

          I have a growing interest in Franz Rosenzweig, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy,
          Karl Jaspers, Hannah Arendt (her work in St. Agustine and "The Life of
          the Mind"), Barth, Schleiermacher, Tillich, and anyone who was
          interested in an existentialist (religious or atheist) understanding of
          the western religions.

          Anyone with similar interest or anything please contact me. I'd like to
          know if there're any other religious-existentialism and "existenz-
          philosophie" fellows out there.

          Best Regards

          Ari
        • Ghost Dansing
          I enjoy being reminded of those to whom I ve been exposed but whom I have long since forgotten, yet internalized. There are several here. But I went to the web
          Message 4 of 8 , Dec 19, 2005
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            I enjoy being reminded of those to whom I've been exposed but whom I have
            long since forgotten, yet internalized.

            There are several here. But I went to the web and researched
            Rosenstock-Huessy. What a remarkable person!

            Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy (1888-1973) was a social philosopher, who taught at
            Dartmouth College from 1935 to 1957. He was born in Berlin, Germany, the son
            of a Jewish banker.

            At 16 years old, he converted to Christianity, and remained a devout
            Christian for the rest of his life. He taught law at Leipzig University from
            1912 to 1914. In 1914, he married Margrit Huessy, and according to Swiss
            custom, added her surname to his own. He may be best known as the close
            friend and correspondent of Franz Rosenzweig. Their exchange of letters is
            considered by social scholars to be indispensable in the study of the modern
            encounter of Jews with Christianity. He was a German army officer during
            World War I, serving at the front, near Verdun. His experience during the
            war had a profound impact on him and was a decisive influence on much of his
            later work.

            After the war, he did not return to the university, and instead went to work
            for Daimler-Benz at the Stuttgart automobile assembly plant. He became the
            first editor of the factory magazine, which he founded in 1919; and he
            served as its editor until 1921. He founded, and for a year served as the
            director, of an adult education program in Frankfurt, called The Academy of
            Labor. In 1923, he became a professor of law at the University of Breslau,
            and there published Angewandte Seelenkunde ("An Applied Science of the
            Soul"), which proposed a method based upon language and speech, for the
            study of social sciences. He spent the remainder of his career elaborating
            on this grammatical method, dubbed metanomics.

            In 1933 he fled to the United States to escape national socialism. There, he
            taught first at Harvard University and then, from 1935 until retirement in
            1957, he was at Dartmouth. While at Dartmouth College, in 1940 he presented
            a request to US President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and was granted
            approval to organize a youth training program for the Civilian Conservation
            Corps. Camp William James was founded as a prototype for a national
            peacetime volunteer labor service, in Vermont, which in conception
            anticipated the Peace Corps by more than two decades, but was broken off
            together with all other CCC programs, in 1941, by the entrance of the United
            States into World War II.

            An interdisciplinary scholar, Rosenstock-Huessy was admired in his own
            lifetime by some of the most influential intellectuals of the day, and
            exposure to his work continues to elicit expressions of regret that it is
            not more widely known. He himself indicated that popularity for his work is
            as unlikely in the future as it was while he lived. He writes near the close
            of his best known book of history, called Out of Revolution:

            "I have survived decades of study and teaching in scholastic and academic
            sciences. Every one of their venerable scholars mistook me for the
            intellectual type which he most despised. The atheist wanted me to disappear
            into Divinity, the theologian into sociology, the sociologists into history,
            the historians into journalism, the journalists into metaphysics, the
            philosophers into law, and - need I say it? - the lawyers into hell, which
            as a member of our present world, I never had left." (pg. 758; Epilogue,
            "The Metanomics of Society"; Chapter 19, "The Survival Value of Humor")
            Existential indeed. From:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Rosenstock-Huessy

            Ghost Dansing

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            From: "ari_akkermans" <ari_akkermans@...>
            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:32 PM
            Subject: [existlist] Newbie


            > Hello, guys.... a brief intro here. My name is Ari Akkermans, I'm 22
            > years old living in Israel (came here three years ago). I'm a former
            > classical philologist and currently venturing into philosophy.
            >
            > I'm having the great opportunity to enjoy a "private-study" year with
            > some possible 6-months extension, and then perhaps back to the UK. I've
            > been very interested in religious existentialism and different sorts of
            > counternelightment and irrational-so-called philosophy, in particular
            > from within the reactionaries against German Idealism and the Hegelian
            > system. I am as Rosenstock said a "Dear fellow Jew, post-Christum natum
            > et post-Hegel mortuum!".
            >
            > I have a growing interest in Franz Rosenzweig, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy,
            > Karl Jaspers, Hannah Arendt (her work in St. Agustine and "The Life of
            > the Mind"), Barth, Schleiermacher, Tillich, and anyone who was
            > interested in an existentialist (religious or atheist) understanding of
            > the western religions.
            >
            > Anyone with similar interest or anything please contact me. I'd like to
            > know if there're any other religious-existentialism and "existenz-
            > philosophie" fellows out there.
            >
            > Best Regards
            >
            > Ari
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          • Ari Akkermans
            My first encounter with Rosenstock-Huessy was a coincidential one, as I happened to read a book edited by Rosenstock-Huessy, E. Scheinmann (Rosenzweig s widow)
            Message 5 of 8 , Dec 21, 2005
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              My first encounter with Rosenstock-Huessy was a coincidential one, as I happened to read a book edited by Rosenstock-Huessy, E. Scheinmann (Rosenzweig's widow) and Dietrich Bonhoeffer's daughter. The book presented the letters on "Judaism and Christianity" between Rosenzweig and Rosenstock, and somehow I fell in love with Rosenstock's thought. I did some little electronic research and then started a rather painful search of his books, which wasn't easy... but since then has become almost unforgettable.

              I believe as a Jew the thinkers that sum up the best my own weltanschauung would be Rosenzweig, Rosenstock, Arendt & Edith Stein.

              I truely admired this strange and rather electic philosopher.

              A.

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            • bhvwd
              We often feed the lions on Friday, just to be sure we eat meat on the sacred day. Also joining at such a time makes it likely you will receive the weight of a
              Message 6 of 8 , Oct 3, 2008
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                We often feed the lions on Friday, just to be sure we eat meat on the
                sacred day. Also joining at such a time makes it likely you will
                receive the weight of a weeks anxiety. The sheer building of tension
                that accompanies such a high amount of mental activity can cause a
                certain surliness that may not be continually present. I will try to
                divert the greater energy to Herman as he is use to the ill
                attention and knows the gross intrusion of metaphysics will not go by
                without comment. Actually you might need to fool around with the
                superstitious horseshit of metaphysics.
                I refer you to an article in the Chicago Tribune. "Study says
                superstitions tied to perceived lack of control". The article links
                superstition to mental systems that relieve stress. I definitely
                think nihilism is used in such a way. It is superior to brash
                superstition in that it should be based on agreed upon facts. Self
                deception sits somewhere in the possible emergence of these states.
                It is metaphysics, especially the concept of eternal life that
                becomes the safe refuge to a great many. On Friday I am prone to
                brutally dismiss the believers . So Rose this may be just a little
                look into a group of people that all but one have proclaimed we
                think we exist. Good luck, there will be no free tickets.
                "the feeling of a lack of control,which spurs people to concoct
                false patterns and meaning from the noise of life`s chance events".
                That is what draws us out, concoctions of pride, concoctions of
                greed,that allow a non real excuse for irresponsibility.
                Anxiety steals it`s victims and blinds them to the nihilistic fact,
                we are finite. Bill
              • Rose Lieberman
                Hi, Bill. As far as fooling around with metaphysics, I ve actually gone that route. In fact, I was a member of the Rosicrucian Order for about a dozen years
                Message 7 of 8 , Oct 3, 2008
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                  Hi, Bill. As far as fooling around with metaphysics, I've actually gone that route. In fact, I was a member of the Rosicrucian Order for about a dozen years - some 20 years ago. Had I known then that it was all irrelevant (a nice word for bullshit), I could have saved a lotta money on dues.

                  Of course, I joined it just after I left my mother's abusive home, I was 20, I was just married and walking my own path, feeling like a grownup. Someone introduced me to metaphysics, the occult, and a whole lotta crap. It was exciting, it was new - after all, I was a good catlick goyl (showing my Brooklyn roots...). Then I read Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" in the 70's and the illusion was complete.

                  Then about 20 years later, I was introduced to "inner child" work and the relevance of women and feminism and tried to find my own way along a more self-aware, psychological, inner path. Then I got sidetracked to goddess as an alternative to patriarchy.

                  But all these diversions were the same story - just the faces and names were changed.

                  It took clinical depression to expose the crap for what it was. I'm glad for the crazy-making biochemistry. Because when it was over, I turned around and all those -isms looked alike.

                  And here I am.

                  Rose

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                • bhvwd
                  ... gone that route. In fact, I was a member of the Rosicrucian Order for about a dozen years - some 20 years ago. Had I known then that it was all
                  Message 8 of 8 , Oct 3, 2008
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                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Rose Lieberman" <lapis@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi, Bill. As far as fooling around with metaphysics, I've actually
                    gone that route. In fact, I was a member of the Rosicrucian Order
                    for about a dozen years - some 20 years ago. Had I known then that
                    it was all irrelevant (a nice word for bullshit), I could have saved
                    a lot ta money on dues.
                    >
                    > Of course, I joined it just after I left my mother's abusive home,
                    I was 20, I was just married and walking my own path, feeling like a
                    grownup. Someone introduced me to metaphysics, the occult, and a
                    whole lotta crap. It was exciting, it was new - after all, I was a
                    good catlick goyl (showing my Brooklyn roots...). Then I read
                    Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" in the 70's and the illusion
                    was complete.
                    >
                    > Then about 20 years later, I was introduced to "inner child" work
                    and the relevance of women and feminism and tried to find my own way
                    along a more self-aware, psychological, inner path. Then I got
                    sidetracked to goddess as an alternative to patriarchy.
                    >
                    > But all these diversions were the same story - just the faces and
                    names were changed.
                    >
                    > It took clinical depression to expose the crap for what it was.
                    I'm glad for the crazy-making biochemistry. Because when it was
                    over, I turned around and all those -isms looked alike.
                    >
                    > And here I am.
                    >
                    > Rose
                    >
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                    >I have hung out with a number of high level Rastafarian's. We got
                    tired of forgetting out great thoughts and went back to napping. It
                    seems to me there is far too much going on. Too busy,rushed and
                    dangerously under thought. The progressive left is trying out its
                    avionics and crashes are possible. There is a possible light out
                    there as business seems on a slight rebound. I have been working too
                    much and may need reinforcements.
                    It seems you have killed your gods,I suppose I was far on the way
                    when I interrupted a Sunday sermon with an anti Vietnam war defense.
                    I just couldn't`t stand the lies any longer.
                    They run me hard when they tip and dive the economy I have double
                    stanchions to man. As I left today it was stable over the weekend
                    break.
                    Lock step, rigid systems may get bent under the pressure of
                    anticipation, it is past time. Obama knows we will need nukes and
                    Biden slipped it in last night. Lots of cement work. I worked as and
                    work with laborers, cement workers. That's the kind of tough we are
                    going to need. It is so hard a life that only a few last long. We
                    will need hundreds of thousands of such workers and I will have to
                    fix their teeth. That is one reason I am fried. So Rose you better
                    get up to speed quick cause the bible pounders are gonna whail when
                    they feel the lash. Go to college kids, stay out from between the
                    forms. Bill
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