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  • Susan Schnelbach
    Children - Play nice. No personal attacks. Let s please return the discussion to existential philosophy.
    Message 1 of 9 , Dec 27, 2004
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      Children - Play nice. No personal attacks.

      Let's please return the discussion to existential philosophy.

      On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:13 AM, Michael Carney wrote:

      >
      > Also, my post was in no way meant to condemn Trinidad--only to show
      > that his "critique" stated the obvious and inescapable.
      >
      > --MC
      >
      > louise <hecubatoher@...> wrote:
      >
      > I deem this post unphilosophical, highly.
      >
      > Domain confusion.
      >
      > national non-moderator
      >
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, chris_bc@y... wrote:
      >>
      >> Hi:
      >>
      >> I agree with Michael Carney in condemning Trinidad. He is an old
      > fat,
      >> lazy, stupid mountain of flesh. Trinidad likes to "ramble" his
      > views,
      >> but there is no deeper logic in it. Comparing Trinidad to a fart
      >> would be an appropriate analogy.
      >>
      >> Cheerio,
      >>
      >>
      >> Christian
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Michael Carney <carneymh@y...>
      >> wrote:
      >>> I think a little Schopenhauer is apropos here:
      >>>
      >>> "[T]he great majority of men are in the highest degree egoistic,
      >>> unjust, inconsiderate, deceitful, sometimes even malicious, and
      >>> equipped moreover with very mediocre intelligence..." (Essays and
      >>> Aphorisms). I think, as someone mentioned in a later post,
      >> the "transhumanist" in me comes out during this season as well.
      > But I
      >> don't get depressed or bitter--I actually find it amusing.
      >>> --MC
      >>>
      >>> Trinidad Cruz <trinidad@i...> wrote:
      >>>
      >>> "your out of time my baby
      >>> my poor old-fashioned baby
      >>> baby, baby, baby, you're out of time"
      >>>
      >>> I guess we need definition of terms. Who is advanced? If instead
      > of
      >>> "might makes right" we say, "educational or intellectual or
      >>> technological prowess makes right" your proposition of the
      >> inevitable
      >>> benefit to human development of technological progress might be
      >>> plausible, except that the current United States simply does not
      > fit
      >>> the definition. We are not the most technologically advanced
      > nation;
      >>> we certainly are not the most educated; and we are not the most
      >>> intellectually gifted. Furthermore our current political climate
      > is
      >>> driven at the grass roots level by a horribly brutal religion,
      > and
      >> at
      >>> the top by militarism and greed. It is still simply "might makes
      >>> right", and right now Jesus has bigger guns than Mohhamed. It is
      >> your
      >>> world view that is anachronistic. American "manifest destiny" is
      > not
      >>> driven by the desire for the intellectual advancement of the
      >> species.
      >>>
      >>> 35 percent of Americans believe the Bible is the literal
      > inerrant
      >> word
      >>> of the creator of the universe. Another 48 per cent believe it
      > is
      >> the
      >>> "inspired' word to men of the same inerrant creator of the
      > universe.
      >>> Only about 17 per cent of Americans doubt that the Bible is the
      >> words
      >>> of an omniscient God. Less than 10 percent of Americans reject
      > the
      >>> idea of Gods altogether, and among scientists the figure is less
      >> than
      >>> 1 percent. If polls have any degree of accuracy at least 200
      > million
      >>> Americans believe in an omniscient God and a Bible authored by
      > that
      >>> God and among the most educated the figures are higher. You may
      > snub
      >>> me as iconoclastic, but I am certainly neither archaic, nor
      >>> anachronistic, nor uninformed; and I am obviously more advanced
      > in
      >> my
      >>> thinking than 200 million other Americans.
      >>>
      >>> In an evolutionary sense, war and religion have not strengthened
      > the
      >>> species. Men are not improved over time in the fires of battle.
      >> Such a
      >>> view is one of the oldest in human history. 10,000 years of your
      >>> goddamned glory and your methodology is essentially the same.
      >> Nothing
      >>> has changed. Men are not better and they are not becoming better
      >>> through war. To my point again: who is forward looking and
      > unafraid?
      >>> and who is afraid to let go? And I guess in the end the real
      >> question
      >>> is - who is intellectually lazy?
      >>>
      >>> Christians want the end of the world. Hell they read the stories
      > in
      >>> their book of men who lived for four hundred years and they know
      >> damn
      >>> well we haven't made any progress. They want a bug-zapper Jesus
      > to
      >>> come back and nail the people who bug them with a lightening
      > bolt or
      >>> two. They are on the warriors path. Make a big enough war and
      > the
      >> main
      >>> man will have to come back and take control. Stupid. Lazy.
      > Period.
      >> In
      >>> the end you can bet they will hang a scientist or two.
      >>>
      >>> I cannot plug the theory of evolutuion into the sociological
      >> progress
      >>> of mankind the way you do. The United States is not the pinnacle
      > of
      >>> the sociological development of the human race, nor do I think
      > that
      >>> the hunter gatherer has evolved beyond the hunter gatherer.
      > Science
      >>> for the most part is hunter gatherer in this country because
      >>> capitalism is hunter gatherer. The truth is physical science is
      >> still
      >>> largely empirical in its view of the universe, and it is this
      >>> anachronistic perspective that has detained our progress, most
      >> notably
      >>> in the field of quantum physics. Our culture is a mask for latent
      >>> brutality - let's kick some ass and then build something to make
      > our
      >>> life more pleasant when we're done. Our philosophical view has
      >>> directly impeded our scientific progress, and this is more true
      > now
      >> of
      >>> the scientific community than it was forty years ago. Finally,
      >>> capitalism and war are not a good mix for science. Dogma robs
      >> science
      >>> of its clarity and war robs it of its funding.
      >>>
      >>> It is not original to portray compassion and humanism as
      > weakness. I
      >>> cannot say that I could ride a bicycle uphill at any speed to
      > the
      >> top
      >>> of a mountain given my arthritis and years of smoking, but at
      > six
      >> feet
      >>> and 215 pounds with still in my fifties a 32 inch waist from
      > years
      >> of
      >>> hunger and roughneck work I am confident that I could carry you
      > and
      >>> the bicycle to the top if I had to and a twelve pack as well. I
      > am
      >>> neither naive nor soft. Policemen still stand off when they talk
      > to
      >> me
      >>> and they are always glad to see me smile after looking in my
      > eyes.
      >> Our
      >>> current foreign policy is not about oil or dogma. It's the lure
      > of
      >>> easy money. Stupid. Lazy.
      >>>
      >>> What do you have to trade me?
      >>>
      >>> "you are left out
      >>> out of here, without a doubt
      >>> baby, baby, baby, you're out of time"
      >>>
      >>> Trinidad Cruz
      >>>
      >>> --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd"
      > <v.valleywestdental@m...>
      >> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> Mary, I swing between disgust at our collective actions and
      >>>> acceptance of long term trends in human behavour. I think
      > strong
      >>>> man rule is an anacronism and when I compair that system to
      > what
      >> we
      >>>> have I come down on our side. When someone tells me that the
      >> people
      >>>> of the mid east have the right to live under an authoritarian
      >>>> theocracy I do not think they understand the terms they use.
      >>>> The business of oil has broken down in Iraq. We have painted
      >>>> ourselves in the corner on energy policy. We will need that
      > oil
      >> more
      >>>> and more and will press our advantage to take it. Like Trini,
      >> they
      >>>> will cry out and use all arguments to hinder what we do. Some
      >> days I
      >>>> decry the loss of life and subjugation of one people by
      > another.
      >>>> Other days I am just glad the bombers are being killed. In the
      >> end
      >>>> we will act as a great power and take what we must have. The
      >>>> degredation of Iraq will continue as long as they resist.
      > When
      >> the
      >>>> oil is used up we will leave what is left to the survivors.
      > They
      >>>> will have nothing to trade and will regress even further. I
      > can
      >>>> think of it as the price they pay for backwardness or I can
      > just
      >>>> forget them. That is the greatest insult in this
      > interconnected
      >>>> world. Bill
      >>>
      >>>
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