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RE: [existlist] Re: Heidegger & Hannah

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  • Bartley, Michael
    Thank you, the name R.D. Laing brings back many memories for me. When I was in the Air Force, I was actually stationed at Lakenheath, UK from 1970-72, showing
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      Thank you, the name R.D. Laing brings back many memories for me. When I was
      in the Air Force, I was actually stationed at Lakenheath, UK from 1970-72,
      showing my age now, I worked as a medic on a psy ward. There was a lot of
      discussion about Laing's ideas he seems to have dropped out of favor now.
      I could see having to spend 6 hours with him in a counseling session could
      drive anyone over the bend. I think both Sartre and de Beavoir refused to
      see the tyranny of the Soviet state to me that was an example of faith in
      Marxism over riding the evidence. I think many people including Sartre, had
      the type of faith in Marxism that Christians have in God. Anyway thanks for
      your response to my question
      Michael

      -----Original Message-----
      From: louise [mailto:hecubatoher@...]
      Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:29 AM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] Re: Heidegger & Hannah

      Michael,

      This refers to stuff already posted here at existlist in recent
      months, and I'm afraid I can't remember exactly when. It frustrates
      me that I've neither the living space nor the money to print out
      everything and keep it in folders, with index.

      Do you remember John who migrated from madmen group and denied he
      was that John, or at least refused to confirm his identity, when it
      seemed to me he was making critical remarks in my direction based on
      knowledge of me gleaned whilst enjoying the hospitality of Mikael
      Sjodin, listowner and moderator there? Anyway, John was from
      Wisconsin, I think. He provided excellent information to us here at
      existlist, including how de Beauvoir overcame Sartre's reluctance to
      meet R.D. Laing, and arranged for Jean-Paul to see the renowned
      pseudo-anarchist for a six-hour session. That was in 1963. My
      experience of being what the abstract fraternity call 'a divided
      self' leads me to intuit this was grossly disturbing to the
      psychical wholeness of our insecure Gallic cousin (I use the word in
      Shakespearean sense, as in, 'gentle coz'). The hard evidence I
      admit I have not studied, but the postings here by Chris Wyatt also
      in recent months, concerning systematic lying, as I recall, by both
      of them, in order to cover up their awareness of Soviet tyranny,
      seem to fit a typical pattern of cognitive denial in order to effect
      inner mental harmony, societal self-esteem, and emotional
      satisfaction. So my interpretations concern my own field of
      knowledge - the psyche, its logos, its lores.

      Louise

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Bartley, Michael"
      <michael.bartley@m...> wrote:
      > How was Sartre killed by de Beauvoir? It seems to me that de
      Beauvoir was
      > devoured to Sartre
      > I am very interested to read why you said this. Thanks
      > Michael
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: louise [mailto:hecubatoher@y...]
      > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:39 AM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Heidegger & Hannah
      >
      > As we've also seen in the case of Sartre and de Beauvoir, personal
      > intimate liaisons are not helpful for the development of
      intelligent
      > relationship between philosophy and politics. In that sense, and
      > that sense alone, both Sartre and Heidegger are dead. Killed by
      > women, if one were to be fundamentalist about it. But I'm opposed
      > to reductionism and in favour of context. Or maybe of the former
      > only if it's fast and instinctive, the latter if it's slow and
      > deliberated. Louise
      >
      > -- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Jo" <alcyon11@y...> wrote:
      > > "Heidegger came to desire a state ruled by an elite group of
      > soldier-
      > > philosophers. He came to distrust the public tastes, modernity,
      > and
      > > democratic institutions. The National Socialists matched his
      > vision
      > > of a new, powerful central government. What one must wonder is
      how
      > > Heidegger reconciled his relationships with students of Jewish
      > > descent with the Nazi concentration camps.": 'Before Heidegger
      > became
      > > the Nazi rector of the University of Freidburg in 1933, he
      served
      > as
      > > teacher and sage to four gifted students of assimilated German
      > Jewish
      > > backgrounds. Hannah Arendt, who at 18 began a three-year love
      > affair
      > > with Heidegger...' Existential Primer, CSW
      > >
      > > Is anyone familiar with Hannah Arendt's work? As an intimate of
      > > Heidegger, she was very qualified to introduce his ideas, and
      > German
      > > Existentialism and its French revisions, into American academia.
      > > There's a section about her in Cotkin's book. "Arendt argued
      that
      > > Heidegger's philosophy could lead to a dangerous egoism: 'What
      is
      > at
      > > stake for this Being in the world is, finally, nothing else than
      > to
      > > maintain himself in the world." Her initial contributions
      > condemned
      > > the totalitarianism solution proposed by Heidegger and
      recommended
      > > instead the troubling freedom of democracies.
      > >
      > > Mary
      >
      >
      >
      >
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