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  • Mary Jo
    Bill, what I got from the article which presented the classic argument is the admission that faith is absurd and devoid of reason. I must agree. As you,Biggie
    Message 1 of 6 , Sep 7, 2004
      Bill, what I got from the article which presented the classic
      argument is the admission that faith is absurd and devoid of reason.
      I must agree. As you,Biggie and others have often expressed, this is
      a philosophy venue, and to date there is no philosophical magic pill
      that predicts or explains other than the laws of probability and
      rationality. If existentialism were a canvas, it would only be
      varying shades of grey, some almost white and others almost black,
      but mostly, mostly very gray. What bothers me is that atheism or
      nihilism are often equated with communism, amorality and considered
      less than human. As I've said before, I consider it more human. Mary
    • louise
      You re right, and no blue. Jesus! ... gray ... hold ... convincing, ... not ... or ... do ... my ... area ... and ... reliable.
      Message 2 of 6 , Sep 7, 2004
        You're right, and no blue. Jesus!

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd" <valleywestdental@q...>
        wrote:
        > Reason deals in probabilities. Will the hurricane move west or
        > north, will the asteroid cross earth orbit. It is customary to
        > express the probability in % and for more precise determinations
        > margin of error numbers are projected for the sample.
        > Some situations are wonderfully reliable and predictable and
        > become the laws of science. These easy calls rarely enter the
        gray
        > area of equil probability where metaphysics and faith begin to
        hold
        > sway. Even in a 60/40 probability, with good data and analysis I
        > would choose the greater probability. I understand there is a 40%
        > chance I will be wrong. If the pope took the side of lesser
        > probability I would not change my decision. If my favorite bird
        > augerer read the entrails contrary to the numbers, I would rely on
        > the numbers not the guts. Should I have a dream that contradicts
        > the probability, even if that dream is most terrifyingly
        convincing,
        > I would not change my decision.
        > This is the method of a modern thinker. I will not accept the
        > notion I am some cold automoton devoid of humanity. I also will
        not
        > accept guilt if the lessed probability prevails. I am not a seer
        or
        > prophet and I accept no credit for influence upon any outcome. I
        do
        > think that with better data and analytical methods I can increase
        my
        > chance of positive results.
        > So, yes, I too must live with the great gray area that so far
        > defies analysis. I think it more beneficial to reduce that gray
        area
        > by comprehension than it is to leap into faith. Such an attitude
        and
        > modus operandi makes me more human, less animal and more
        reliable.
        > Bill
      • louise
        Interesting. My truths depart from here, at a tangent. louise ... reason. ... is ... pill ... considered ... Mary
        Message 3 of 6 , Sep 7, 2004
          Interesting. My truths depart from here, at a tangent. louise

          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Jo" <alcyon11@y...> wrote:
          > Bill, what I got from the article which presented the classic
          > argument is the admission that faith is absurd and devoid of
          reason.
          > I must agree. As you,Biggie and others have often expressed, this
          is
          > a philosophy venue, and to date there is no philosophical magic
          pill
          > that predicts or explains other than the laws of probability and
          > rationality. If existentialism were a canvas, it would only be
          > varying shades of grey, some almost white and others almost black,
          > but mostly, mostly very gray. What bothers me is that atheism or
          > nihilism are often equated with communism, amorality and
          considered
          > less than human. As I've said before, I consider it more human.
          Mary
        • Mary Jo
          Message 4 of 6 , Sep 8, 2004
            <It is customary to express the probability in % and for more precise
            determinations margin of error numbers are projected for the
            sample... Even in a 60/40 probability, with good data and analysis I
            would choose the greater probability. I understand there is a 40%
            chance I will be wrong. I do think that with better data and
            analytical methods I can increase my chance of positive results.>
            Bill

            My god, Bill. I was watching a silly movie tonight about a risk
            assessment analyst who gets involved with a free spirited woman, who
            turns his world upside down, pleasantly so. I got to thinking about
            your recent post and started smiling wryly to myself. Do you realize
            that your statement makes you highly qualified to be an actuary or
            risk assessment specialist? 'Along Came Polly' is both amusing and
            scary (how risk is calculated for instance). It's not dark humor
            like 'Once Upon a Time in Mexico' or 'Snatch' but's its entertaining.
            Perhaps your occasional, necessary and painful contact with the
            insurance species is rubbing off on you. Be careful :-) Sometimes you
            have to go with your gut. That too is part of our biological wiring.
            Fight or flight. Mary
          • rubster cruiser
            statistics... those wonderful numbers... u can quote them to prove anything.... they can prove that murder is a good thing for human race. after all....
            Message 5 of 6 , Sep 12, 2004
              "statistics... those wonderful numbers... u can quote them to prove anything.... they can prove that murder is a good thing for human race. after all.... statistical jargon is a wonderful thing indeed"
              this is the only thought that came to my mind wen i saw percentage and numbers here...
              maybe i should stop studying math so much...
              Rubster

              Mary Jo <alcyon11@...> wrote:
              <It is customary to express the probability in % and for more precise
              determinations margin of error numbers are projected for the
              sample... Even in a 60/40 probability, with good data and analysis I
              would choose the greater probability. I understand there is a 40%
              chance I will be wrong. I do think that with better data and
              analytical methods I can increase my chance of positive results.>
              Bill

              My god, Bill. I was watching a silly movie tonight about a risk
              assessment analyst who gets involved with a free spirited woman, who
              turns his world upside down, pleasantly so. I got to thinking about
              your recent post and started smiling wryly to myself. Do you realize
              that your statement makes you highly qualified to be an actuary or
              risk assessment specialist? 'Along Came Polly' is both amusing and
              scary (how risk is calculated for instance). It's not dark humor
              like 'Once Upon a Time in Mexico' or 'Snatch' but's its entertaining.
              Perhaps your occasional, necessary and painful contact with the
              insurance species is rubbing off on you. Be careful :-) Sometimes you
              have to go with your gut. That too is part of our biological wiring.
              Fight or flight. Mary



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