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Facist Socialist vs REASON: Round 1

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  • John the Anti-baptist
    Newsflash: You are not the ultimate voice for Existentialism. You simply reflect your view of what Existentialism is. That does not
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 29, 2004
      <<You are are mistaken.>>

      Newsflash: You are not the ultimate voice for Existentialism. You simply
      reflect your view of what Existentialism is. That does not mean that
      everyone else is "mistaken". It merely means that you disagree. AND THAT'S A
      FACT.

      <<Perhaps from a satanic perspective, but hardly an
      Existentialist one.>>

      Actually as both.

      <<If one is to assess the impact of one's choices, with awareness of one's
      responsibility for the
      world, then obviously the impact is that upon others.>>

      That is your perspective; not necessarily the view point of every
      Existentialist.

      <<You are contradicting yourself. Surely "making sure not to infringe on
      someone else's rights in the process", is an awareness of the possible
      impact on someone other than yourself.

      eduard>>

      Wrong. I do not forego the self for others, I simply avoid the same actions
      that are exhibited by other religions; The overwhelming need to force their
      ideas onto others. Instead, I choose to let people be and I don't do
      anything that would reflect bad on "me", like infringing on others' rights.
      It is selfishness that keeps me from infringing on others' rights. I'm not
      going to dress it up in some altruistic deception to make myself look like I
      care...I don't. I don't want a ''Good Guy Badge".


      <<Obviously a Satanist viewpoint ...

      eduard>>

      No shit...how long did it take for you to figure that out?!
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      <<Let send them out of theatres crying Satan got a bum deal. Seriously.

      -Mary Jo>>

      That sounds nice, but such a movie already exist, in a manner of speaking;
      It actually focused on Satanist, as opposed to the mythic rebel himself. You
      may have heard of it; A little movie called "Rosemary's Baby". Apparently,
      Anton LaVey played "the devil"; Also, people were outraged when the Satanist
      didn't turn out to be blood-thirsty lunatics, but social intellects.

      <<If you look at the mythology, Ah-satan means 'loyal opposition' doesn't
      it?>>

      It's "Ha Satan", a Hebrew word that means "the adversary".

      <<He was SUPPOSED to question his creator and doubt him, wasn't he? Wasn't
      he just doing his job when he was thrown out?>>

      The original incarnation of Satan comes from Orthodox Judaism. Satan is
      viewed as Yahweh's (Jahovah's) left-hand man. It was, and still is, his job
      to test the faith and character of humans. So, Satan actually works with
      God, as opposed to against him. Now, the idea of Satan being bad came about
      as a decension within the Jewish community. Some Jews didn't believe that
      God would allow such horrible things to happen; That some evil being was the
      cause of human misery and sinfulness. Well, who else to take the rap, but
      their convenient "scapegoat", Satan. Well, when the Christians came along,
      this was already in play and they simply adopted it.

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    • eduard at home
      Ah ... the old it s only your opinion routine. I m cowering in a corner. Of course all of this is my own opinion. But then I did not say that everyone is
      Message 2 of 2 , Mar 1, 2004
        Ah ... the old "it's only your opinion" routine. I'm cowering in a corner.

        Of course all of this is my own opinion. But then I did not say that everyone is mistaken, only that you were mistaken.

        Lets see ... Sartre says that, "When we say that man is responsible for himself, we do not mean he is responsible only for his own individuality, but that he is responsible for all men... in choosing for himself he chooses for all men".

        But then I suppose that this might be taken as only Sartre's opinion.

        If we live in the world, then we have to be conscious of the impact that our choices may have upon others. This entails a both a personal responsibility, since these choices are ours, and a responsibility for others.

        You have said as much yourself in that, "I don't do anything that would reflect bad on "me", like infringing on others' rights". But to take that in the positive, if you attempt to do something which good for you, then you are also impacting rights of others. For example, in choosing to be a Satanist, you are establishing the right of others to be what they wish to be -- perhaps also a Satanist or an atheist or someone in San Franciso who wishes to have a gay marriage. The freedom you choose extends freedom to others and for this there is a responsibility.

        eduard


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: John the Anti-baptist
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:55 AM
        Subject: [existlist] Facist Socialist vs REASON: Round 1


        <<You are are mistaken.>>

        Newsflash: You are not the ultimate voice for Existentialism. You simply
        reflect your view of what Existentialism is. That does not mean that
        everyone else is "mistaken". It merely means that you disagree. AND THAT'S A
        FACT.

        <<Perhaps from a satanic perspective, but hardly an
        Existentialist one.>>

        Actually as both.

        <<If one is to assess the impact of one's choices, with awareness of one's
        responsibility for the
        world, then obviously the impact is that upon others.>>

        That is your perspective; not necessarily the view point of every
        Existentialist.

        <<You are contradicting yourself. Surely "making sure not to infringe on
        someone else's rights in the process", is an awareness of the possible
        impact on someone other than yourself.

        eduard>>

        Wrong. I do not forego the self for others, I simply avoid the same actions
        that are exhibited by other religions; The overwhelming need to force their
        ideas onto others. Instead, I choose to let people be and I don't do
        anything that would reflect bad on "me", like infringing on others' rights.
        It is selfishness that keeps me from infringing on others' rights. I'm not
        going to dress it up in some altruistic deception to make myself look like I
        care...I don't. I don't want a ''Good Guy Badge".


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