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  • bhvwd
    Eduard, many years ago I had a wonderful trist with a model. She fascinated me in many ways but philosophically she lived in the present, only. She had money
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      Eduard, many years ago I had a wonderful trist with a model. She
      fascinated me in many ways but philosophically she lived in the
      present, only. She had money but married a wild biker who was broke.
      She liked him. When he rode off to live with whores she took up with
      me. We were going to write a book which we would entitle Nineteen
      Motels. She died suddenly of a burst aortic aneurism. She had her
      Vogue cover, she had her biker, she had her doctor. She shot smack,
      smoker hash and drank good scotch neat. She never spoke of the
      future to me. She rejected delayed gratification and her bet paid
      off, in a way.
      Now I live on but often think of her and her philosophy of the
      present . I wonder if she had an unpublished diagnosis of her
      condition. Once when she noticed a bit of blubber around her midrif
      she said it made no difference and she would no longer work it off. A
      prior knowledge of impending doom would completely validate her
      way of life. If she had such knowledge she took it away with her in
      silence. If she didn`t she played her life to perfection on a hunch.
      She was always one up on life and those around her. I think her
      strong enough to end her own life should it have become unpleasant.
      The closest life to hers I can remember is that of James Dean. Are
      these very unique people epicurians? Sociopaths, criminals,
      existential saints? Bill
    • eduard at home
      Bill, I am not discounting the value of getting pleasure in the here and now. All that I am trying to say is that self-pleasure is a motive for applying
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        Bill,

        I am not discounting the value of getting pleasure in the
        here and now. All that I am trying to say is that
        "self-pleasure" is a motive for applying effort to one's
        present existence in order to obtain a reward in the future.
        Although I am [as you know] a die-hard socialist, I am
        trying to put all of this in the context of the
        Existentialist individual, since it makes more sense ... to
        me.

        That's a sad story about your model. It's too bad that she
        could not see the dark side of running herself into the
        grave.

        It sort of reminds me of a recent news item [I think on CBS
        by old Dan Rather]. It appears that this entrepreneur has a
        business of putting on food eating contests. It sort of
        reminded me of those people who used to put on dancing
        competitions during the dirty thirties. It was at one of
        these eating contests that a Japanese student ate 50 hotdogs
        [including the buns] in one sitting. The news item focused
        upon one guy who prides himself in being a ranking eater.
        The whole thing struck me as very stupid, but a reflection
        of present culture. When you have the opportunity ... stuff
        yourself with whatever you can get. Something like that
        crowd at WalMart which trampled some lady into the ground.
        The point being that immediate gratification is not always
        good for you.

        But then this may be an American thing. Did you notice the
        article on Yahoo about the growing cultural rift between
        Canadians and Americans??

        eduard

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "bhvwd" <valleywestdental@...>
        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:43 AM
        Subject: [existlist] Re:Pleasure


        > Eduard, many years ago I had a wonderful trist with a
        model. She
        > fascinated me in many ways but philosophically she lived
        in the
        > present, only. She had money but married a wild biker who
        was broke.
        > She liked him. When he rode off to live with whores she
        took up with
        > me. We were going to write a book which we would entitle
        Nineteen
        > Motels. She died suddenly of a burst aortic aneurism. She
        had her
        > Vogue cover, she had her biker, she had her doctor. She
        shot smack,
        > smoker hash and drank good scotch neat. She never spoke
        of the
        > future to me. She rejected delayed gratification and her
        bet paid
        > off, in a way.
        > Now I live on but often think of her and her philosophy
        of the
        > present . I wonder if she had an unpublished diagnosis of
        her
        > condition. Once when she noticed a bit of blubber around
        her midrif
        > she said it made no difference and she would no longer
        work it off. A
        > prior knowledge of impending doom would completely
        validate her
        > way of life. If she had such knowledge she took it away
        with her in
        > silence. If she didn`t she played her life to perfection
        on a hunch.
        > She was always one up on life and those around her. I
        think her
        > strong enough to end her own life should it have become
        unpleasant.
        > The closest life to hers I can remember is that of James
        Dean. Are
        > these very unique people epicurians? Sociopaths,
        criminals,
        > existential saints? Bill
        >
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