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Re: [existlist] Eduard`s decency

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  • yeoman
    Bill, Yes, I disagree with your idea that existentialism is about individualism. That is ... in the context of the individual versus the society. Granted
    Message 1 of 4 , Jun 2, 2003
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      Bill,

      Yes, I disagree with your idea that existentialism is about
      individualism. That is ... in the context of the individual
      versus the society. Granted existentialism is one's
      individual existence, but it comes with a recognition of
      responsibility to others. It is this responsibility which
      points to the importance of society.

      My flirtation with religion was a miserable failure. No one
      seemed to like the idea of having a fantasy and simultaneous
      being aware that it is a fantasy. Religions tend to become
      a personal sort of thing, and to say it is a fantasy, seems
      a threat to self-existence.

      eduard

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "bhvwd" <valleywestdental@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:07 PM
      Subject: [existlist] Eduard`s decency


      > I have always been a student of social trends. I can
      remember
      > when "Right on " was a catch phrase of the radical left.
      One year
      > later it was being used by business suited conservatives.
      Now
      > existentialism has become the new reason for existance
      of the
      > defunct, main line religions. They draw a tenuous line
      from
      > Kirkegaard, through any number of avant guard christian
      philosophers
      > who they have labled existentialists. I consider them
      theologians,
      > not philosophers. I know they see no distinction. Your
      flirtation
      > with religion puts you on the fringe of this group. I
      consider
      > atheism to be a basic tenant of existentialism. I do not
      like the
      > term but I would accept it rather than be labled a
      believer.
      > Just as the theists cannot serve two masters, God and
      themselves ,
      > you cannot be an individualist socialist. Either your
      individuality
      > is of more importance and you are an existentialist or you
      are a
      > socialist and abandon the necessary individualism of your
      > existentialism. The society is to serve the individual and
      the
      > individual is responsible for his own life and decisions.
      I know you
      > are not a believer, but socialism is a form of belief. You
      believe in
      > the collective above the individual. That is where
      Neitchy broke
      > with the systems of faith. Kirkegaard may have realigned
      to the
      > death of his existentialism. Existentialism is the study
      of that
      > which exists. That is my definition from the derevation of
      the word.
      > The fantasies of the faithful are not part of that study.
      That
      > socialism is a faith in the collective abouve the
      individual may put
      > the socialist outside the true base of existentialism.
      > I am sure you disagree and I always enjoy your comments.
      >
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    • Mary Jo Malo
      hbvwd, Based on your definitions, I consider myself an atheist. I was a hostage of Christianity for 30 years. I liked Jesus, not Christianity. I kept on going,
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        hbvwd,

        Based on your definitions, I consider myself an atheist. I was a hostage of Christianity for 30 years. I liked Jesus, not Christianity. I kept on going, and if I need a label from you, it would be an atheist who puts the individual being above all religions and philosophies.

        Mary Jo

        bhvwd <valleywestdental@...> wrote:
        I have always been a student of social trends. I can remember
        when "Right on " was a catch phrase of the radical left. One year
        later it was being used by business suited conservatives. Now
        existentialism has become the new reason for existance of the
        defunct, main line religions. They draw a tenuous line from
        Kirkegaard, through any number of avant guard christian philosophers
        who they have labled existentialists. I consider them theologians,
        not philosophers. I know they see no distinction. Your flirtation
        with religion puts you on the fringe of this group. I consider
        atheism to be a basic tenant of existentialism. I do not like the
        term but I would accept it rather than be labled a believer.
        Just as the theists cannot serve two masters, God and themselves ,
        you cannot be an individualist socialist. Either your individuality
        is of more importance and you are an existentialist or you are a
        socialist and abandon the necessary individualism of your
        existentialism. The society is to serve the individual and the
        individual is responsible for his own life and decisions. I know you
        are not a believer, but socialism is a form of belief. You believe in
        the collective above the individual. That is where Neitchy broke
        with the systems of faith. Kirkegaard may have realigned to the
        death of his existentialism. Existentialism is the study of that
        which exists. That is my definition from the derevation of the word.
        The fantasies of the faithful are not part of that study. That
        socialism is a faith in the collective abouve the individual may put
        the socialist outside the true base of existentialism.
        I am sure you disagree and I always enjoy your comments.


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