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  • David Leon
    ... From: shari hyder To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [existlist] Choosing Ford or
    Message 1 of 41 , May 1, 2003
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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "shari hyder" <hydersjmj@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:00 PM
      Subject: RE: [existlist] Choosing Ford or BMW


      > When I want to buy a car, all I think is "Please God, please please, let
      > there be enough money in my account. Please God please, let the finance
      > man approve my loan.

      Please God, dont let me wreck the first day I drive it off the lot.
      And if I die before I break, I pray that...wait, I'll be dead. Oh man..then
      my family will be a little bit richer...and WITHOUT me! Dammit, nevermind,
      I'm never buying a car again! I mean, just LOOK at what could happen! All
      because of that damned "God" and his stupid way of not really ever
      interfering. Damned if I think about him, damned if I dont.
      Now look! I've gone and gotten myself acting like I'm miserable over
      nothing. For what?! Because I hate this God?? Because I love this God??
      Shit, I just wanted to buy a car! What the hell is wrong with me?! [sighing
      'oohh']..nevermind...what in the world am I talking about?

      Dave


      > shari

      -----Original Message-----
      From: yeoman [mailto:yeoman@...]
      Sent: Friday, 2 May 2003 8:25 a.m.
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Choosing Ford or BMW

      Lorna,

      Why is it not an existential choice?? My type of car
      reflects upon my existence as a person.

      In any case, I was trying to pose a question with respect to
      the statement that God has a moment by moment impact upon my
      choices. Choosing a car is a choice. These are the
      everyday things that we go through. I suppose you could
      have any other concrete example -- choosing a house,
      choosing a career, choosing how you are going to interact
      with your neighbour, etc., etc..

      We keep talking about this thing called, "existence", but it
      would appear that no one wishes to consider it for what it
      is. If God does not care what I choose for a car, then what
      does this god care about?? And in this caring, how does
      he/she/it have an impact??

      eduard

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Choosing Ford or BMW


      >
      > Eduard,
      > Your choice between cars does not really sound like an
      existential choice to me. I don't think a God would care
      either way.
      >
      > Lorna





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    • Mark and Bev Tindall
      ... I can see why you are reluictant to answer my questions on why art is a valuable resource in Existentialism. ... If begins a conditional proposition.
      Message 41 of 41 , May 2, 2003
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        eduard wrote:


        > I can see why you are reluctant to answer the
        > question.


        I can see why you are reluictant to answer my questions on why art is a valuable resource in Existentialism.


        > If I have absolute freedom [Read Chris' FAQs]


        'If' begins a conditional proposition. Chris is wrong if he says all have absolute freedom. No-one has absolute freedom. All are constrained by at least time and space.


        > As Sartre has said, it is of no importance to
        > Existentialism.


        Sartre was wrong in this area and is not the final word on anything. There are many living Existentialist philosophers who disagree with the dead Sartre.

        As Chris stated (though he is not the final word on Existentialism ...) :

        ************************

        No one should ever suggest that the Christian Existentialists (notably the Catholic movement is of interest to me), are not valid topics. They are frequently credited with developing concepts of ethics within existentialism, as well as combining Democratic Socialism with the humanistic aspects of existentialism set forth by the "French Left" for too long.

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        Christian Existentialism is Existentialist in nature.


        Mark

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