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Re: [existlist] Re: Choosing Ford or BMW

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  • David Leon
    ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Choosing Ford or BMW
    Message 1 of 41 , May 1, 2003
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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:05 PM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Choosing Ford or BMW


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      > ---> This is not a debate of whether or not a god exists.
      > It is a simple question of whether a god impacts upon my
      > choice.
      >

      Technically, no, you've set up a difference between the two issues. But, in
      ACTUALITY? The debate of whether God exists or not has at its root the same
      fundamental regard, in explaining that it's not about an existence but about
      some people "non-defining" and even "anti-defining" God so much, oh yes! he
      exists now! but only as a playtoy for the purposes of mocking it (him). It's
      rhetoric. Rhetoric is fun, it's relieving and venting and therapeutic, and
      can lead to new material for pondering, but when playtime is over, the new
      material then must be pondered..or 'experienced'..some way or another.

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      > > Why do you believe God has no choice with your existential
      > being.
      > > Does it mean your Mother did not have a choice for your
      > birth?
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      > ---> This is not about whether a god has a choice, but of
      > whether a god will have an impact upon my choices.
      >

      You just want a stark statement of truth? Something else for you to
      misunderstand and then wriggle in your lack of thoughts about the matters,
      like we all do? ..So that you can be fallibly human?? Well, here:
      When you ask anything about God, everything is at stake. That just happens
      to be the kind of reckless abandon christ-like territory that you are
      treading.

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      Dave
    • Mark and Bev Tindall
      ... I can see why you are reluictant to answer my questions on why art is a valuable resource in Existentialism. ... If begins a conditional proposition.
      Message 41 of 41 , May 2, 2003
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        eduard wrote:


        > I can see why you are reluctant to answer the
        > question.


        I can see why you are reluictant to answer my questions on why art is a valuable resource in Existentialism.


        > If I have absolute freedom [Read Chris' FAQs]


        'If' begins a conditional proposition. Chris is wrong if he says all have absolute freedom. No-one has absolute freedom. All are constrained by at least time and space.


        > As Sartre has said, it is of no importance to
        > Existentialism.


        Sartre was wrong in this area and is not the final word on anything. There are many living Existentialist philosophers who disagree with the dead Sartre.

        As Chris stated (though he is not the final word on Existentialism ...) :

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        No one should ever suggest that the Christian Existentialists (notably the Catholic movement is of interest to me), are not valid topics. They are frequently credited with developing concepts of ethics within existentialism, as well as combining Democratic Socialism with the humanistic aspects of existentialism set forth by the "French Left" for too long.

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        Christian Existentialism is Existentialist in nature.


        Mark

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