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  • Sue McPherson
    Wrong answer, eduard. That s one. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
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      Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.

      Sue McPherson

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


      > Sue,
      >
      > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
      >
      > eduard
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
      > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      >
      >
      > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
      > this now, to the
      > > list.
      > >
      > > Sue McPherson
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      > >
      > >
      > > > Sue,
      > > >
      > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
      > to
      > > > make a big deal of it.
      > > >
      > > > eduard
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
      > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
      > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
      > > > being so disruptive.
      > > > >
      > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
      > have
      > > > A VERY POOR
      > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
      > > > >
      > > > > Sue McPherson
      > > > >
      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
      > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      > MODERATOR
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > Chris,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
      > mean,
      > > > he
      > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
      > > > moderates a
      > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
      > > > members!!
      > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
      > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
      > > > list.
      > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
      > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
      > refused
      > > > to do
      > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
      > > > every
      > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
      > > > have it
      > > > > > both ways.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
      > you to
      > > > the
      > > > > > public.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
      > posts
      > > > [I
      > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
      > > > only
      > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
      > input.
      > > > Of
      > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
      > interested
      > > > in
      > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
      > task to
      > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
      > to
      > > > wrap
      > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > eduard
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
      > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
      > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      > MODERATOR
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
      > > > co-moderators
      > > > > > immediately, two
      > > > > > > years ago.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
      > for
      > > > > > academic reasons.
      > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
      > > > were
      > > > > > quite helpful during
      > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
      > > > contributor
      > > > > > and I miss his
      > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
      > work, I
      > > > > > believe, and Yulian
      > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
      > > > > > unavailable to manage the
      > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
      > > > community
      > > > > > dynamics.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
      > cannot be
      > > > one
      > > > > > dictator in
      > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
      > a
      > > > > > country. This forum is
      > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
      > newsgroups
      > > > and
      > > > > > mailing lists.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
      > like
      > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
      > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
      > him.
      > > > I
      > > > > > merely sought to
      > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
      > > > acceptable.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
      > > > offensive, in
      > > > > > my opinion. I'm
      > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
      > an
      > > > > > accident years ago and
      > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
      > my
      > > > > > fault; I chose to race
      > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
      > made
      > > > the
      > > > > > decisions leading
      > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
      > > > moderators, I
      > > > > > suppose?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
      > > > pretty
      > > > > > darn well in
      > > > > > > life...
      > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
      > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
      > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
      > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
      > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
      > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      > > > MODERATOR
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
      > > > others.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
      > > > nooist
      > > > > > / Existentialist
      > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
      > evidence
      > > > many
      > > > > > times about Eduard
      > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
      > > > That
      > > > > > is irresponsible
      > > > > > > management and incompetence.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
      > to
      > > > chat >
      > > > > > on other topics.
      > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
      > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
      > be
      > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
      > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
      > out
      > > > of
      > > > > > the race and
      > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
      > > > > > position. I notice you
      > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
      > > > personally
      > > > > > > and his silly
      > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
      > > > temporary
      > > > > > kick.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
      > put
      > > > up
      > > > > > with his repeated
      > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
      > why
      > > > I
      > > > > > repeatedly
      > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
      > nothing
      > > > on
      > > > > > his nooist /
      > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
      > is
      > > > a
      > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
      > > > > > mismanagement. Your
      > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
      > and
      > > > > > no-one was there to
      > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
      > to
      > > > you
      > > > > > and still you
      > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
      > > > over
      > > > > > 300 members but only
      > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
      > > > topic!
      > > > > > You did not make
      > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
      > suggested
      > > > the
      > > > > > use of other
      > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
      > last
      > > > few
      > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
      > Existentialist
      > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
      > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
      > > > > > positivist science. I
      > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
      > failed
      > > > to
      > > > > > act appropriately!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
      > > > > > Existentialist list as was
      > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
      > caused
      > > > by
      > > > > > your lack of
      > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
      > > > intervention.
      > > > > > No contigency
      > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
      > after a
      > > > > > flood of complaints
      > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
      > inaction...
      > > > you
      > > > > > gave me a booting
      > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
      > ONLY
      > > > person
      > > > > > who was willing
      > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
      > its
      > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
      > > > > > > the posts!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
      > ignorant
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
      > and
      > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
      > > > mailbox --
      > > > > > which ...
      > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
      > even
      > > > > > bother to read my
      > > > > > > posts and complaints????
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
      > Anglo-Saxon
      > > > word
      > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
      > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
      > and
      > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
      > > > Existentialist
      > > > > > list without
      > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
      > inept,
      > > > > > lacking insight and
      > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
      > the
      > > > heat
      > > > > > of anger and
      > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
      > mismanagement
      > > > and
      > > > > > incompetence.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
      > Existentialist
      > > > list
      > > > > > better ... if it
      > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
      > great
      > > > > > ignorance on his part."
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
      > new
      > > > list.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
      > as
      > > > I
      > > > > > repeatedly pointed
      > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
      > > > elsewhere
      > > > > > or in the past.
      > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
      > achievments
      > > > ...
      > > > > > much larger than
      > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
      > > > > > Existentialist list and
      > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
      > > > topic
      > > > > > ... unlike your
      > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
      > you
      > > > > > are!!! (Read your
      > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
      > > > > > Existentialist list
      > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
      > supposed
      > > > to
      > > > > > be. I piss on
      > > > > > > every one of them!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
      > me.
      > > > It's
      > > > > > rude and shows
      > > > > > > your incompetence.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
      > > > Existentialist
      > > > > > list you can shove
      > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
      > where
      > > > your
      > > > > > head is!!!!! You
      > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Mark
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
      > removed]
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    • yeoman
      what s one?? ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re:
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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        what's one??

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


        > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
        >
        > Sue McPherson
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        >
        >
        > > Sue,
        > >
        > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
        > >
        > > eduard
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > >
        > >
        > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
        to
        > > this now, to the
        > > > list.
        > > >
        > > > Sue McPherson
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        MODERATOR
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Sue,
        > > > >
        > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
        trying
        > > to
        > > > > make a big deal of it.
        > > > >
        > > > > eduard
        > > > >
        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
        <sue@...>
        > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        MODERATOR
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
        for
        > > > > being so disruptive.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
        to
        > > have
        > > > > A VERY POOR
        > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Sue McPherson
        > > > > >
        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
        > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > > MODERATOR
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > > Chris,
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
        I
        > > mean,
        > > > > he
        > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
        > > > > moderates a
        > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
        600
        > > > > members!!
        > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
        so.
        > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
        your
        > > > > list.
        > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
        messages
        > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
        > > refused
        > > > > to do
        > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
        and
        > > > > every
        > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
        cant
        > > > > have it
        > > > > > > both ways.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
        exposes
        > > you to
        > > > > the
        > > > > > > public.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
        the
        > > posts
        > > > > [I
        > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
        has
        > > > > only
        > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
        of
        > > input.
        > > > > Of
        > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
        > > interested
        > > > > in
        > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
        > > task to
        > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
        credentials
        > > to
        > > > > wrap
        > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
        superiority.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > eduard
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
        <existlist1@...>
        > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
        > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > > MODERATOR
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
        > > > > co-moderators
        > > > > > > immediately, two
        > > > > > > > years ago.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
        on
        > > for
        > > > > > > academic reasons.
        > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
        Diana A
        > > > > were
        > > > > > > quite helpful during
        > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
        > > > > contributor
        > > > > > > and I miss his
        > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
        > > work, I
        > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
        > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
        being
        > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
        > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
        > > > > community
        > > > > > > dynamics.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
        > > cannot be
        > > > > one
        > > > > > > dictator in
        > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
        or
        > > a
        > > > > > > country. This forum is
        > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
        > > newsgroups
        > > > > and
        > > > > > > mailing lists.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
        > > like
        > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
        > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
        killed
        > > him.
        > > > > I
        > > > > > > merely sought to
        > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
        > > > > acceptable.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
        > > > > offensive, in
        > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
        > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
        again.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
        had
        > > an
        > > > > > > accident years ago and
        > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
        was
        > > my
        > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
        > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
        . I
        > > made
        > > > > the
        > > > > > > decisions leading
        > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
        > > > > moderators, I
        > > > > > > suppose?
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
        do
        > > > > pretty
        > > > > > > darn well in
        > > > > > > > life...
        > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
        > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
        > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
        > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
        > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
        > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > > > > MODERATOR
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
        and
        > > > > others.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
        your
        > > > > nooist
        > > > > > > / Existentialist
        > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
        > > evidence
        > > > > many
        > > > > > > times about Eduard
        > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
        management!
        > > > > That
        > > > > > > is irresponsible
        > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
        pleased
        > > to
        > > > > chat >
        > > > > > > on other topics.
        > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
        > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
        to
        > > be
        > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
        > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
        pulled
        > > out
        > > > > of
        > > > > > > the race and
        > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
        the
        > > > > > > position. I notice you
        > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
        > > > > personally
        > > > > > > > and his silly
        > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
        then
        > > > > temporary
        > > > > > > kick.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
        I
        > > put
        > > > > up
        > > > > > > with his repeated
        > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
        is
        > > why
        > > > > I
        > > > > > > repeatedly
        > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
        > > nothing
        > > > > on
        > > > > > > his nooist /
        > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
        that
        > > is
        > > > > a
        > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
        gross
        > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
        > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
        moderation
        > > and
        > > > > > > no-one was there to
        > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
        out
        > > to
        > > > > you
        > > > > > > and still you
        > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
        lis
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
        are
        > > > > over
        > > > > > > 300 members but only
        > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
        on
        > > > > topic!
        > > > > > > You did not make
        > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
        > > suggested
        > > > > the
        > > > > > > use of other
        > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
        yours!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
        The
        > > last
        > > > > few
        > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
        > > Existentialist
        > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
        > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
        and
        > > > > > > positivist science. I
        > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
        you
        > > failed
        > > > > to
        > > > > > > act appropriately!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
        > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
        > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
        > > caused
        > > > > by
        > > > > > > your lack of
        > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
        > > > > intervention.
        > > > > > > No contigency
        > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
        > > after a
        > > > > > > flood of complaints
        > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
        > > inaction...
        > > > > you
        > > > > > > gave me a booting
        > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
        > > ONLY
        > > > > person
        > > > > > > who was willing
        > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
        back to
        > > its
        > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
        > > > > > > > the posts!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
        > > ignorant
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
        rude
        > > and
        > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
        > > > > mailbox --
        > > > > > > which ...
        > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
        you
        > > even
        > > > > > > bother to read my
        > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
        > > Anglo-Saxon
        > > > > word
        > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
        > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
        incompetence
        > > and
        > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
        > > > > Existentialist
        > > > > > > list without
        > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
        both
        > > inept,
        > > > > > > lacking insight and
        > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
        in
        > > the
        > > > > heat
        > > > > > > of anger and
        > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
        > > mismanagement
        > > > > and
        > > > > > > incompetence.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
        > > Existentialist
        > > > > list
        > > > > > > better ... if it
        > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
        > > great
        > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
        my
        > > new
        > > > > list.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
        ...
        > > as
        > > > > I
        > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
        > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
        done
        > > > > elsewhere
        > > > > > > or in the past.
        > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
        > > achievments
        > > > > ...
        > > > > > > much larger than
        > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
        nooist /
        > > > > > > Existentialist list and
        > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
        Stay on
        > > > > topic
        > > > > > > ... unlike your
        > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
        great
        > > you
        > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
        > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
        nooist /
        > > > > > > Existentialist list
        > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
        > > supposed
        > > > > to
        > > > > > > be. I piss on
        > > > > > > > every one of them!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
        booted
        > > me.
        > > > > It's
        > > > > > > rude and shows
        > > > > > > > your incompetence.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
        > > > > Existentialist
        > > > > > > list you can shove
        > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
        arse
        > > where
        > > > > your
        > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
        > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Mark
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
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      • Sue McPherson
        Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
        Message 3 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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          Try a little harder to get along!
          There's no need for such impertinence.

          Sue McPherson

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


          > what's one??
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          >
          >
          > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
          > >
          > > Sue McPherson
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > >
          > >
          > > > Sue,
          > > >
          > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
          > > >
          > > > eduard
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
          > to
          > > > this now, to the
          > > > > list.
          > > > >
          > > > > Sue McPherson
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > MODERATOR
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > Sue,
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
          > trying
          > > > to
          > > > > > make a big deal of it.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > eduard
          > > > > >
          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
          > <sue@...>
          > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > MODERATOR
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
          > for
          > > > > > being so disruptive.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
          > to
          > > > have
          > > > > > A VERY POOR
          > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Sue McPherson
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > > MODERATOR
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Chris,
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
          > I
          > > > mean,
          > > > > > he
          > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
          > > > > > moderates a
          > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
          > 600
          > > > > > members!!
          > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
          > so.
          > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
          > your
          > > > > > list.
          > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
          > messages
          > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
          > > > refused
          > > > > > to do
          > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
          > and
          > > > > > every
          > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
          > cant
          > > > > > have it
          > > > > > > > both ways.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
          > exposes
          > > > you to
          > > > > > the
          > > > > > > > public.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
          > the
          > > > posts
          > > > > > [I
          > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
          > has
          > > > > > only
          > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
          > of
          > > > input.
          > > > > > Of
          > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
          > > > interested
          > > > > > in
          > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
          > > > task to
          > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
          > credentials
          > > > to
          > > > > > wrap
          > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
          > superiority.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > eduard
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
          > <existlist1@...>
          > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
          > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > > MODERATOR
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
          > > > > > co-moderators
          > > > > > > > immediately, two
          > > > > > > > > years ago.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
          > on
          > > > for
          > > > > > > > academic reasons.
          > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
          > Diana A
          > > > > > were
          > > > > > > > quite helpful during
          > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
          > > > > > contributor
          > > > > > > > and I miss his
          > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
          > > > work, I
          > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
          > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
          > being
          > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
          > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
          > > > > > community
          > > > > > > > dynamics.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
          > > > cannot be
          > > > > > one
          > > > > > > > dictator in
          > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
          > or
          > > > a
          > > > > > > > country. This forum is
          > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
          > > > newsgroups
          > > > > > and
          > > > > > > > mailing lists.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
          > > > like
          > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
          > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
          > killed
          > > > him.
          > > > > > I
          > > > > > > > merely sought to
          > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
          > > > > > acceptable.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
          > > > > > offensive, in
          > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
          > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
          > again.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
          > had
          > > > an
          > > > > > > > accident years ago and
          > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
          > was
          > > > my
          > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
          > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
          > . I
          > > > made
          > > > > > the
          > > > > > > > decisions leading
          > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
          > > > > > moderators, I
          > > > > > > > suppose?
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
          > do
          > > > > > pretty
          > > > > > > > darn well in
          > > > > > > > > life...
          > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
          > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
          > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
          > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
          > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
          > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
          > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > > > > MODERATOR
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
          > and
          > > > > > others.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
          > your
          > > > > > nooist
          > > > > > > > / Existentialist
          > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
          > > > evidence
          > > > > > many
          > > > > > > > times about Eduard
          > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
          > management!
          > > > > > That
          > > > > > > > is irresponsible
          > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
          > pleased
          > > > to
          > > > > > chat >
          > > > > > > > on other topics.
          > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
          > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
          > to
          > > > be
          > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
          > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
          > pulled
          > > > out
          > > > > > of
          > > > > > > > the race and
          > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
          > the
          > > > > > > > position. I notice you
          > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
          > > > > > personally
          > > > > > > > > and his silly
          > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
          > then
          > > > > > temporary
          > > > > > > > kick.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
          > I
          > > > put
          > > > > > up
          > > > > > > > with his repeated
          > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
          > is
          > > > why
          > > > > > I
          > > > > > > > repeatedly
          > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
          > > > nothing
          > > > > > on
          > > > > > > > his nooist /
          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
          > that
          > > > is
          > > > > > a
          > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
          > gross
          > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
          > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
          > moderation
          > > > and
          > > > > > > > no-one was there to
          > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
          > out
          > > > to
          > > > > > you
          > > > > > > > and still you
          > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
          > lis
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
          > are
          > > > > > over
          > > > > > > > 300 members but only
          > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
          > on
          > > > > > topic!
          > > > > > > > You did not make
          > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
          > > > suggested
          > > > > > the
          > > > > > > > use of other
          > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
          > yours!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
          > The
          > > > last
          > > > > > few
          > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
          > > > Existentialist
          > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
          > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
          > and
          > > > > > > > positivist science. I
          > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
          > you
          > > > failed
          > > > > > to
          > > > > > > > act appropriately!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
          > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
          > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
          > > > caused
          > > > > > by
          > > > > > > > your lack of
          > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
          > > > > > intervention.
          > > > > > > > No contigency
          > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
          > > > after a
          > > > > > > > flood of complaints
          > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
          > > > inaction...
          > > > > > you
          > > > > > > > gave me a booting
          > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
          > > > ONLY
          > > > > > person
          > > > > > > > who was willing
          > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
          > back to
          > > > its
          > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
          > > > > > > > > the posts!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
          > > > ignorant
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
          > rude
          > > > and
          > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
          > > > > > mailbox --
          > > > > > > > which ...
          > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
          > you
          > > > even
          > > > > > > > bother to read my
          > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
          > > > Anglo-Saxon
          > > > > > word
          > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
          > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
          > incompetence
          > > > and
          > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
          > > > > > Existentialist
          > > > > > > > list without
          > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
          > both
          > > > inept,
          > > > > > > > lacking insight and
          > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
          > in
          > > > the
          > > > > > heat
          > > > > > > > of anger and
          > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
          > > > mismanagement
          > > > > > and
          > > > > > > > incompetence.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
          > > > Existentialist
          > > > > > list
          > > > > > > > better ... if it
          > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
          > > > great
          > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
          > my
          > > > new
          > > > > > list.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
          > ...
          > > > as
          > > > > > I
          > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
          > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
          > done
          > > > > > elsewhere
          > > > > > > > or in the past.
          > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
          > > > achievments
          > > > > > ...
          > > > > > > > much larger than
          > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
          > nooist /
          > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
          > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
          > Stay on
          > > > > > topic
          > > > > > > > ... unlike your
          > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
          > great
          > > > you
          > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
          > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
          > nooist /
          > > > > > > > Existentialist list
          > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
          > > > supposed
          > > > > > to
          > > > > > > > be. I piss on
          > > > > > > > > every one of them!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
          > booted
          > > > me.
          > > > > > It's
          > > > > > > > rude and shows
          > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
          > > > > > Existentialist
          > > > > > > > list you can shove
          > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
          > arse
          > > > where
          > > > > > your
          > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
          > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Mark
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
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        • Lorna Landry
          Eduard, Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris? Lorna yeoman wrote:Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
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            Eduard,
            Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris?
            Lorna

            yeoman <yeoman@...> wrote:Chris,

            It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
            has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
            group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
            And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
            Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

            And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
            Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
            challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
            so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
            other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
            both ways.

            Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
            public.

            Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
            don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
            complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
            course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
            learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
            learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
            the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

            eduard


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
            To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
            Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


            > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
            immediately, two
            > years ago.
            >
            > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
            academic reasons.
            > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
            quite helpful during
            > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
            and I miss his
            > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
            believe, and Yulian
            > was seeking an appointment to a university.
            >
            > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
            unavailable to manage the
            > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
            dynamics.
            >
            > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
            dictator in
            > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
            country. This forum is
            > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
            mailing lists.
            >
            > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
            Stalin. Get real...
            > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
            merely sought to
            > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
            >
            > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
            my opinion. I'm
            > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
            >
            > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
            accident years ago and
            > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
            fault; I chose to race
            > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
            decisions leading
            > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
            suppose?
            >
            > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
            darn well in
            > life...
            > - C. S. Wyatt
            > http://www.tameri.com
            > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
            [mailto:tindall@...]
            > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
            > To: Exist List Moderator
            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            >
            >
            > Thank you for your reply.
            >
            >
            > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
            >
            >
            > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
            / Existentialist
            > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
            times about Eduard
            > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
            is irresponsible
            > management and incompetence.
            >
            >
            > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
            on other topics.
            > I think you will find they are more
            > > responsible than most others on the list.
            >
            >
            > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
            secondary Moderator. I
            > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
            the race and
            > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
            position. I notice you
            > did not appoint Eduard!
            >
            >
            > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
            > and his silly
            > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
            kick.
            >
            >
            > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
            with his repeated
            > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
            repeatedly
            > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
            his nooist /
            > Existentialist list!!!
            >
            >
            > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
            > > sign of mismanagement.
            >
            >
            > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
            mismanagement. Your
            > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
            no-one was there to
            > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
            and still you
            > failed to act. That is incompetence!
            >
            >
            > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
            >
            >
            > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
            300 members but only
            > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
            You did not make
            > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
            use of other
            > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
            >
            >
            > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
            > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
            >
            >
            > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
            list! ABSOLUTELY
            > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
            positivist science. I
            > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
            act appropriately!
            >
            >
            > > Incapable of running a list?
            >
            > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
            Existentialist list as was
            > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
            your lack of
            > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
            No contigency
            > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
            flood of complaints
            > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
            gave me a booting
            > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
            who was willing
            > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
            aims ... ME! Read
            > the posts!
            >
            >
            > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
            >
            > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
            ingorant. I quote:
            >
            > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
            which ...
            > really ----ed me off big time."
            >
            > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
            bother to read my
            > posts and complaints????
            >
            > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
            'pissed'??) You
            > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
            > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            >
            > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
            list without
            > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
            lacking insight and
            > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
            of anger and
            > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
            incompetence.
            >
            > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
            >
            >
            > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
            better ... if it
            > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
            >
            > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
            >
            > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
            ignorance on his part."
            >
            > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
            >
            >
            > > My web site barely hints at my works
            >
            > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
            repeatedly pointed
            > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
            or in the past.
            > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
            much larger than
            > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
            Existentialist list and
            > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
            ... unlike your
            > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
            >
            > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
            are!!! (Read your
            > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
            Existentialist list
            > demonstrates the opposite!!!
            >
            > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
            >
            > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
            >
            > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
            >
            > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
            >
            > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
            >
            > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
            >
            > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
            be. I piss on
            > every one of them!
            >
            >
            >
            > > I hope you decide to remain
            >
            >
            > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
            rude and shows
            > your incompetence.
            >
            > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
            list you can shove
            > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
            head is!!!!! You
            > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
            >
            > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
            >
            >
            > Mark
            >
            >
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          • Lorna Landry
            Gee...that sounds friendly... Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so
            Message 5 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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              Gee...that sounds friendly...
              Lorna

              Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

              Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
              GRASP ON REALITY

              Sue McPherson

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


              > Chris,
              >
              > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
              > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
              > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
              > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
              > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
              >
              > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
              > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
              > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
              > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
              > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
              > both ways.
              >
              > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
              > public.
              >
              > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
              > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
              > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
              > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
              > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
              > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
              > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
              >
              > eduard
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
              > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
              > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              >
              >
              > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
              > immediately, two
              > > years ago.
              > >
              > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
              > academic reasons.
              > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
              > quite helpful during
              > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
              > and I miss his
              > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
              > believe, and Yulian
              > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
              > >
              > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
              > unavailable to manage the
              > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
              > dynamics.
              > >
              > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
              > dictator in
              > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
              > country. This forum is
              > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
              > mailing lists.
              > >
              > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
              > Stalin. Get real...
              > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
              > merely sought to
              > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
              > >
              > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
              > my opinion. I'm
              > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
              > >
              > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
              > accident years ago and
              > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
              > fault; I chose to race
              > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
              > decisions leading
              > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
              > suppose?
              > >
              > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
              > darn well in
              > > life...
              > > - C. S. Wyatt
              > > http://www.tameri.com
              > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
              > >
              > > -----Original Message-----
              > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
              > [mailto:tindall@...]
              > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
              > > To: Exist List Moderator
              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              > >
              > >
              > > Thank you for your reply.
              > >
              > >
              > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
              > >
              > >
              > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
              > / Existentialist
              > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
              > times about Eduard
              > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
              > is irresponsible
              > > management and incompetence.
              > >
              > >
              > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
              > on other topics.
              > > I think you will find they are more
              > > > responsible than most others on the list.
              > >
              > >
              > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
              > secondary Moderator. I
              > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
              > the race and
              > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
              > position. I notice you
              > > did not appoint Eduard!
              > >
              > >
              > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
              > > and his silly
              > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
              > kick.
              > >
              > >
              > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
              > with his repeated
              > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
              > repeatedly
              > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
              > his nooist /
              > > Existentialist list!!!
              > >
              > >
              > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
              > > > sign of mismanagement.
              > >
              > >
              > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
              > mismanagement. Your
              > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
              > no-one was there to
              > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
              > and still you
              > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
              > >
              > >
              > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
              > >
              > >
              > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
              > 300 members but only
              > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
              > You did not make
              > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
              > use of other
              > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
              > >
              > >
              > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
              > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
              > >
              > >
              > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
              > list! ABSOLUTELY
              > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
              > positivist science. I
              > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
              > act appropriately!
              > >
              > >
              > > > Incapable of running a list?
              > >
              > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
              > Existentialist list as was
              > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
              > your lack of
              > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
              > No contigency
              > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
              > flood of complaints
              > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
              > gave me a booting
              > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
              > who was willing
              > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
              > aims ... ME! Read
              > > the posts!
              > >
              > >
              > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
              > >
              > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
              > ingorant. I quote:
              > >
              > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
              > which ...
              > > really ----ed me off big time."
              > >
              > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
              > bother to read my
              > > posts and complaints????
              > >
              > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
              > 'pissed'??) You
              > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
              > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              > >
              > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
              > list without
              > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
              > lacking insight and
              > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
              > of anger and
              > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
              > incompetence.
              > >
              > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
              > >
              > >
              > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
              > better ... if it
              > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
              > >
              > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
              > >
              > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
              > ignorance on his part."
              > >
              > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
              > >
              > >
              > > > My web site barely hints at my works
              > >
              > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
              > repeatedly pointed
              > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
              > or in the past.
              > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
              > much larger than
              > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
              > Existentialist list and
              > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
              > ... unlike your
              > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
              > >
              > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
              > are!!! (Read your
              > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
              > Existentialist list
              > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
              > >
              > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
              > >
              > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
              > >
              > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
              > >
              > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
              > >
              > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
              > >
              > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
              > >
              > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
              > be. I piss on
              > > every one of them!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > > I hope you decide to remain
              > >
              > >
              > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
              > rude and shows
              > > your incompetence.
              > >
              > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
              > list you can shove
              > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
              > head is!!!!! You
              > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
              > >
              > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
              > >
              > >
              > > Mark
              > >
              > >
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            • Lorna Landry
              Take you own advice. Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue
              Message 6 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                Take you own advice.

                Lorna




                Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder to get along!
                There's no need for such impertinence.

                Sue McPherson

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                > what's one??
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                >
                >
                > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                > >
                > > Sue McPherson
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > >
                > >
                > > > Sue,
                > > >
                > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                > > >
                > > > eduard
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                > to
                > > > this now, to the
                > > > > list.
                > > > >
                > > > > Sue McPherson
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > MODERATOR
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > Sue,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                > trying
                > > > to
                > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > eduard
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                > <sue@...>
                > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > MODERATOR
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                > for
                > > > > > being so disruptive.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                > to
                > > > have
                > > > > > A VERY POOR
                > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Chris,
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                > I
                > > > mean,
                > > > > > he
                > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                > > > > > moderates a
                > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                > 600
                > > > > > members!!
                > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                > so.
                > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                > your
                > > > > > list.
                > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                > messages
                > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                > > > refused
                > > > > > to do
                > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                > and
                > > > > > every
                > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                > cant
                > > > > > have it
                > > > > > > > both ways.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                > exposes
                > > > you to
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > public.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                > the
                > > > posts
                > > > > > [I
                > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                > has
                > > > > > only
                > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                > of
                > > > input.
                > > > > > Of
                > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                > > > interested
                > > > > > in
                > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                > > > task to
                > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                > credentials
                > > > to
                > > > > > wrap
                > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                > superiority.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > eduard
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                > <existlist1@...>
                > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                > > > > > co-moderators
                > > > > > > > immediately, two
                > > > > > > > > years ago.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                > on
                > > > for
                > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                > Diana A
                > > > > > were
                > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                > > > > > contributor
                > > > > > > > and I miss his
                > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                > > > work, I
                > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                > being
                > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                > > > > > community
                > > > > > > > dynamics.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                > > > cannot be
                > > > > > one
                > > > > > > > dictator in
                > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                > or
                > > > a
                > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                > > > newsgroups
                > > > > > and
                > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                > > > like
                > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                > killed
                > > > him.
                > > > > > I
                > > > > > > > merely sought to
                > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                > > > > > acceptable.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                > > > > > offensive, in
                > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                > again.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                > had
                > > > an
                > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                > was
                > > > my
                > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                > . I
                > > > made
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > decisions leading
                > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                > > > > > moderators, I
                > > > > > > > suppose?
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                > do
                > > > > > pretty
                > > > > > > > darn well in
                > > > > > > > > life...
                > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                > and
                > > > > > others.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                > your
                > > > > > nooist
                > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                > > > evidence
                > > > > > many
                > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                > management!
                > > > > > That
                > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                > pleased
                > > > to
                > > > > > chat >
                > > > > > > > on other topics.
                > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                > to
                > > > be
                > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                > pulled
                > > > out
                > > > > > of
                > > > > > > > the race and
                > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                > the
                > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                > > > > > personally
                > > > > > > > > and his silly
                > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                > then
                > > > > > temporary
                > > > > > > > kick.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                > I
                > > > put
                > > > > > up
                > > > > > > > with his repeated
                > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                > is
                > > > why
                > > > > > I
                > > > > > > > repeatedly
                > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                > > > nothing
                > > > > > on
                > > > > > > > his nooist /
                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                > that
                > > > is
                > > > > > a
                > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                > gross
                > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                > moderation
                > > > and
                > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                > out
                > > > to
                > > > > > you
                > > > > > > > and still you
                > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                > lis
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                > are
                > > > > > over
                > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                > on
                > > > > > topic!
                > > > > > > > You did not make
                > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                > > > suggested
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > use of other
                > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                > yours!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                > The
                > > > last
                > > > > > few
                > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                > and
                > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                > you
                > > > failed
                > > > > > to
                > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                > > > caused
                > > > > > by
                > > > > > > > your lack of
                > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                > > > > > intervention.
                > > > > > > > No contigency
                > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                > > > after a
                > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                > > > inaction...
                > > > > > you
                > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                > > > ONLY
                > > > > > person
                > > > > > > > who was willing
                > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                > back to
                > > > its
                > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                > > > > > > > > the posts!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                > > > ignorant
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                > rude
                > > > and
                > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                > > > > > mailbox --
                > > > > > > > which ...
                > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                > you
                > > > even
                > > > > > > > bother to read my
                > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                > > > Anglo-Saxon
                > > > > > word
                > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                > incompetence
                > > > and
                > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                > > > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list without
                > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                > both
                > > > inept,
                > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                > in
                > > > the
                > > > > > heat
                > > > > > > > of anger and
                > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                > > > mismanagement
                > > > > > and
                > > > > > > > incompetence.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > list
                > > > > > > > better ... if it
                > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                > > > great
                > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                > my
                > > > new
                > > > > > list.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                > ...
                > > > as
                > > > > > I
                > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                > done
                > > > > > elsewhere
                > > > > > > > or in the past.
                > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                > > > achievments
                > > > > > ...
                > > > > > > > much larger than
                > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                > nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                > Stay on
                > > > > > topic
                > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                > great
                > > > you
                > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                > nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                > > > supposed
                > > > > > to
                > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                > booted
                > > > me.
                > > > > > It's
                > > > > > > > rude and shows
                > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                > > > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list you can shove
                > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                > arse
                > > > where
                > > > > > your
                > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Mark
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
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              • Sue McPherson
                Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
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                  Mind your own business

                  Sue McPherson

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                  >
                  > Take you own advice.
                  >
                  > Lorna
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                  to get along!
                  > There's no need for such impertinence.
                  >
                  > Sue McPherson
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  >
                  >
                  > > what's one??
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                  > > >
                  > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > Sue,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                  > > > >
                  > > > > eduard
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                  > > to
                  > > > > this now, to the
                  > > > > > list.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Sue,
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                  > > trying
                  > > > > to
                  > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                  > > <sue@...>
                  > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                  > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                  > > for
                  > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                  > > to
                  > > > > have
                  > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                  > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                  > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Chris,
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                  > > I
                  > > > > mean,
                  > > > > > > he
                  > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                  > > > > > > moderates a
                  > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                  > > 600
                  > > > > > > members!!
                  > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                  > > so.
                  > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                  > > your
                  > > > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                  > > messages
                  > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                  > > > > refused
                  > > > > > > to do
                  > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                  > > and
                  > > > > > > every
                  > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                  > > cant
                  > > > > > > have it
                  > > > > > > > > both ways.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                  > > exposes
                  > > > > you to
                  > > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > > public.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                  > > the
                  > > > > posts
                  > > > > > > [I
                  > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                  > > has
                  > > > > > > only
                  > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                  > > of
                  > > > > input.
                  > > > > > > Of
                  > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                  > > > > interested
                  > > > > > > in
                  > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                  > > > > task to
                  > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                  > > credentials
                  > > > > to
                  > > > > > > wrap
                  > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                  > > superiority.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                  > > <existlist1@...>
                  > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                  > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                  > > > > > > co-moderators
                  > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                  > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                  > > on
                  > > > > for
                  > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                  > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                  > > Diana A
                  > > > > > > were
                  > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                  > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                  > > > > > > contributor
                  > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                  > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                  > > > > work, I
                  > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                  > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                  > > being
                  > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                  > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                  > > > > > > community
                  > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                  > > > > cannot be
                  > > > > > > one
                  > > > > > > > > dictator in
                  > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                  > > or
                  > > > > a
                  > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                  > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                  > > > > newsgroups
                  > > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                  > > > > like
                  > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                  > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                  > > killed
                  > > > > him.
                  > > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                  > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                  > > > > > > acceptable.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                  > > > > > > offensive, in
                  > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                  > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                  > > again.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                  > > had
                  > > > > an
                  > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                  > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                  > > was
                  > > > > my
                  > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                  > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                  > > . I
                  > > > > made
                  > > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                  > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                  > > > > > > moderators, I
                  > > > > > > > > suppose?
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                  > > do
                  > > > > > > pretty
                  > > > > > > > > darn well in
                  > > > > > > > > > life...
                  > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                  > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                  > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                  > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                  > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                  > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                  > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                  > > and
                  > > > > > > others.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                  > > your
                  > > > > > > nooist
                  > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                  > > > > evidence
                  > > > > > > many
                  > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                  > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                  > > management!
                  > > > > > > That
                  > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                  > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                  > > pleased
                  > > > > to
                  > > > > > > chat >
                  > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                  > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                  > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                  > > to
                  > > > > be
                  > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                  > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                  > > pulled
                  > > > > out
                  > > > > > > of
                  > > > > > > > > the race and
                  > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                  > > the
                  > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                  > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                  > > > > > > personally
                  > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                  > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                  > > then
                  > > > > > > temporary
                  > > > > > > > > kick.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                  > > I
                  > > > > put
                  > > > > > > up
                  > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                  > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                  > > is
                  > > > > why
                  > > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                  > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                  > > > > nothing
                  > > > > > > on
                  > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                  > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                  > > that
                  > > > > is
                  > > > > > > a
                  > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                  > > gross
                  > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                  > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                  > > moderation
                  > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                  > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                  > > out
                  > > > > to
                  > > > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > > and still you
                  > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                  > > lis
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                  > > are
                  > > > > > > over
                  > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                  > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                  > > on
                  > > > > > > topic!
                  > > > > > > > > You did not make
                  > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                  > > > > suggested
                  > > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > > use of other
                  > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                  > > yours!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                  > > The
                  > > > > last
                  > > > > > > few
                  > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                  > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                  > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                  > > and
                  > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                  > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                  > > you
                  > > > > failed
                  > > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                  > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                  > > > > caused
                  > > > > > > by
                  > > > > > > > > your lack of
                  > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                  > > > > > > intervention.
                  > > > > > > > > No contigency
                  > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                  > > > > after a
                  > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                  > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                  > > > > inaction...
                  > > > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                  > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                  > > > > ONLY
                  > > > > > > person
                  > > > > > > > > who was willing
                  > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                  > > back to
                  > > > > its
                  > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                  > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                  > > > > ignorant
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                  > > rude
                  > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                  > > > > > > mailbox --
                  > > > > > > > > which ...
                  > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                  > > you
                  > > > > even
                  > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                  > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                  > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                  > > > > > > word
                  > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                  > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                  > > incompetence
                  > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                  > > > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > > list without
                  > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                  > > both
                  > > > > inept,
                  > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                  > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                  > > in
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > > > heat
                  > > > > > > > > of anger and
                  > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                  > > > > mismanagement
                  > > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                  > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > list
                  > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                  > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                  > > > > great
                  > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                  > > my
                  > > > > new
                  > > > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                  > > ...
                  > > > > as
                  > > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                  > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                  > > done
                  > > > > > > elsewhere
                  > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                  > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                  > > > > achievments
                  > > > > > > ...
                  > > > > > > > > much larger than
                  > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                  > > nooist /
                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                  > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                  > > Stay on
                  > > > > > > topic
                  > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                  > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                  > > great
                  > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                  > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                  > > nooist /
                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                  > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                  > > > > supposed
                  > > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                  > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                  > > > > > > > > >
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                  > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                  > > > > > > > > >
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                  > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                  > > booted
                  > > > > me.
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                  > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
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                  > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                  > > > > > > Existentialist
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                  > > arse
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                  > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
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                • manicpg
                  id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the business of being laughed at for being realists. let north meet south
                  Message 8 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                    id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the
                    business of being laughed at for being realists.

                    let north meet south



                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Sue McPherson" <sue@m...> wrote:
                    > Mind your own business
                    >
                    > Sue McPherson
                    >
                    >
                    > >
                    > > Take you own advice.
                    > >
                    > > Lorna
                  • Lorna Landry
                    Gladly. Sue McPherson wrote:Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To:
                    Message 9 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                      Gladly.




                      Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                      Sue McPherson

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                      >
                      > Take you own advice.
                      >
                      > Lorna
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                      to get along!
                      > There's no need for such impertinence.
                      >
                      > Sue McPherson
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      >
                      >
                      > > what's one??
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                      > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                      > > >
                      > > > Sue McPherson
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                      > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > > Sue,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                      > > > >
                      > > > > eduard
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                      > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                      > > to
                      > > > > this now, to the
                      > > > > > list.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Sue McPherson
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Sue,
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                      > > trying
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > eduard
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                      > > <sue@...>
                      > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                      > > for
                      > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                      > > to
                      > > > > have
                      > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                      > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                      > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Chris,
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                      > > I
                      > > > > mean,
                      > > > > > > he
                      > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                      > > > > > > moderates a
                      > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                      > > 600
                      > > > > > > members!!
                      > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                      > > so.
                      > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                      > > your
                      > > > > > > list.
                      > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                      > > messages
                      > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                      > > > > refused
                      > > > > > > to do
                      > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                      > > and
                      > > > > > > every
                      > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                      > > cant
                      > > > > > > have it
                      > > > > > > > > both ways.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                      > > exposes
                      > > > > you to
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > public.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                      > > the
                      > > > > posts
                      > > > > > > [I
                      > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                      > > has
                      > > > > > > only
                      > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                      > > of
                      > > > > input.
                      > > > > > > Of
                      > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                      > > > > interested
                      > > > > > > in
                      > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                      > > > > task to
                      > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                      > > credentials
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > > wrap
                      > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                      > > superiority.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > eduard
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                      > > <existlist1@...>
                      > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                      > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                      > > > > > > co-moderators
                      > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                      > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                      > > on
                      > > > > for
                      > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                      > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                      > > Diana A
                      > > > > > > were
                      > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                      > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                      > > > > > > contributor
                      > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                      > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                      > > > > work, I
                      > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                      > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                      > > being
                      > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                      > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                      > > > > > > community
                      > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                      > > > > cannot be
                      > > > > > > one
                      > > > > > > > > dictator in
                      > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                      > > or
                      > > > > a
                      > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                      > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                      > > > > newsgroups
                      > > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                      > > > > like
                      > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                      > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                      > > killed
                      > > > > him.
                      > > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                      > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                      > > > > > > acceptable.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                      > > > > > > offensive, in
                      > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                      > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                      > > again.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                      > > had
                      > > > > an
                      > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                      > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                      > > was
                      > > > > my
                      > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                      > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                      > > . I
                      > > > > made
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                      > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                      > > > > > > moderators, I
                      > > > > > > > > suppose?
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                      > > do
                      > > > > > > pretty
                      > > > > > > > > darn well in
                      > > > > > > > > > life...
                      > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                      > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                      > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                      > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                      > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                      > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                      > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > > > > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                      > > and
                      > > > > > > others.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                      > > your
                      > > > > > > nooist
                      > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                      > > > > evidence
                      > > > > > > many
                      > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                      > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                      > > management!
                      > > > > > > That
                      > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                      > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                      > > pleased
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > > chat >
                      > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                      > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                      > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                      > > to
                      > > > > be
                      > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                      > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                      > > pulled
                      > > > > out
                      > > > > > > of
                      > > > > > > > > the race and
                      > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                      > > the
                      > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                      > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                      > > > > > > personally
                      > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                      > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                      > > then
                      > > > > > > temporary
                      > > > > > > > > kick.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                      > > I
                      > > > > put
                      > > > > > > up
                      > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                      > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                      > > is
                      > > > > why
                      > > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                      > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                      > > > > nothing
                      > > > > > > on
                      > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                      > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                      > > that
                      > > > > is
                      > > > > > > a
                      > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                      > > gross
                      > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                      > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                      > > moderation
                      > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                      > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                      > > out
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > > you
                      > > > > > > > > and still you
                      > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                      > > lis
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                      > > are
                      > > > > > > over
                      > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                      > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                      > > on
                      > > > > > > topic!
                      > > > > > > > > You did not make
                      > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                      > > > > suggested
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > use of other
                      > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                      > > yours!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                      > > The
                      > > > > last
                      > > > > > > few
                      > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                      > > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                      > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                      > > and
                      > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                      > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                      > > you
                      > > > > failed
                      > > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                      > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                      > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                      > > > > caused
                      > > > > > > by
                      > > > > > > > > your lack of
                      > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                      > > > > > > intervention.
                      > > > > > > > > No contigency
                      > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                      > > > > after a
                      > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                      > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                      > > > > inaction...
                      > > > > > > you
                      > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                      > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                      > > > > ONLY
                      > > > > > > person
                      > > > > > > > > who was willing
                      > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                      > > back to
                      > > > > its
                      > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                      > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                      > > > > ignorant
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                      > > rude
                      > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                      > > > > > > mailbox --
                      > > > > > > > > which ...
                      > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                      > > you
                      > > > > even
                      > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                      > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                      > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                      > > > > > > word
                      > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                      > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                      > > incompetence
                      > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                      > > > > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > > list without
                      > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                      > > both
                      > > > > inept,
                      > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                      > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                      > > in
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > > heat
                      > > > > > > > > of anger and
                      > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                      > > > > mismanagement
                      > > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                      > > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > list
                      > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                      > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                      > > > > great
                      > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                      > > my
                      > > > > new
                      > > > > > > list.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                      > > ...
                      > > > > as
                      > > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                      > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                      > > done
                      > > > > > > elsewhere
                      > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                      > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                      > > > > achievments
                      > > > > > > ...
                      > > > > > > > > much larger than
                      > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                      > > nooist /
                      > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                      > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                      > > Stay on
                      > > > > > > topic
                      > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                      > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                      > > great
                      > > > > you
                      > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                      > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                      > > nooist /
                      > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                      > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                      > > > > supposed
                      > > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                      > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                      > > booted
                      > > > > me.
                      > > > > > > It's
                      > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                      > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                      > > > > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                      > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                      > > arse
                      > > > > where
                      > > > > > > your
                      > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                      > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Mark
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
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                    • Lorna Landry
                      AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I M WRONG. LORNA Sue
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                        AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

                        LORNA




                        Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                        Sue McPherson

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                        >
                        > Take you own advice.
                        >
                        > Lorna
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                        to get along!
                        > There's no need for such impertinence.
                        >
                        > Sue McPherson
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        >
                        >
                        > > what's one??
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                        > > >
                        > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > Sue,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                        > > > >
                        > > > > eduard
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                        > > to
                        > > > > this now, to the
                        > > > > > list.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Sue,
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                        > > trying
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                        > > <sue@...>
                        > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                        > > for
                        > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                        > > to
                        > > > > have
                        > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                        > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Chris,
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                        > > I
                        > > > > mean,
                        > > > > > > he
                        > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                        > > > > > > moderates a
                        > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                        > > 600
                        > > > > > > members!!
                        > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                        > > so.
                        > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                        > > your
                        > > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                        > > messages
                        > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                        > > > > refused
                        > > > > > > to do
                        > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > every
                        > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                        > > cant
                        > > > > > > have it
                        > > > > > > > > both ways.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                        > > exposes
                        > > > > you to
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > public.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                        > > the
                        > > > > posts
                        > > > > > > [I
                        > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                        > > has
                        > > > > > > only
                        > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                        > > of
                        > > > > input.
                        > > > > > > Of
                        > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                        > > > > interested
                        > > > > > > in
                        > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                        > > > > task to
                        > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                        > > credentials
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > wrap
                        > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                        > > superiority.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                        > > <existlist1@...>
                        > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                        > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                        > > > > > > co-moderators
                        > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                        > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                        > > on
                        > > > > for
                        > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                        > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                        > > Diana A
                        > > > > > > were
                        > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                        > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                        > > > > > > contributor
                        > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                        > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                        > > > > work, I
                        > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                        > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                        > > being
                        > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                        > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                        > > > > > > community
                        > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                        > > > > cannot be
                        > > > > > > one
                        > > > > > > > > dictator in
                        > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                        > > or
                        > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                        > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                        > > > > newsgroups
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                        > > > > like
                        > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                        > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                        > > killed
                        > > > > him.
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                        > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                        > > > > > > acceptable.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                        > > > > > > offensive, in
                        > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                        > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                        > > again.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                        > > had
                        > > > > an
                        > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                        > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                        > > was
                        > > > > my
                        > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                        > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                        > > . I
                        > > > > made
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                        > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                        > > > > > > moderators, I
                        > > > > > > > > suppose?
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                        > > do
                        > > > > > > pretty
                        > > > > > > > > darn well in
                        > > > > > > > > > life...
                        > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                        > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                        > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                        > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                        > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                        > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                        > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > others.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                        > > your
                        > > > > > > nooist
                        > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                        > > > > evidence
                        > > > > > > many
                        > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                        > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                        > > management!
                        > > > > > > That
                        > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                        > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                        > > pleased
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > chat >
                        > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                        > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                        > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                        > > to
                        > > > > be
                        > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                        > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                        > > pulled
                        > > > > out
                        > > > > > > of
                        > > > > > > > > the race and
                        > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                        > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                        > > > > > > personally
                        > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                        > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                        > > then
                        > > > > > > temporary
                        > > > > > > > > kick.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                        > > I
                        > > > > put
                        > > > > > > up
                        > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                        > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                        > > is
                        > > > > why
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                        > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                        > > > > nothing
                        > > > > > > on
                        > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                        > > that
                        > > > > is
                        > > > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                        > > gross
                        > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                        > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                        > > moderation
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                        > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                        > > out
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > and still you
                        > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                        > > lis
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                        > > are
                        > > > > > > over
                        > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                        > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                        > > on
                        > > > > > > topic!
                        > > > > > > > > You did not make
                        > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                        > > > > suggested
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > use of other
                        > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                        > > yours!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                        > > The
                        > > > > last
                        > > > > > > few
                        > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                        > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                        > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                        > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                        > > you
                        > > > > failed
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                        > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                        > > > > caused
                        > > > > > > by
                        > > > > > > > > your lack of
                        > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                        > > > > > > intervention.
                        > > > > > > > > No contigency
                        > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                        > > > > after a
                        > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                        > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                        > > > > inaction...
                        > > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                        > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                        > > > > ONLY
                        > > > > > > person
                        > > > > > > > > who was willing
                        > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                        > > back to
                        > > > > its
                        > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                        > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                        > > > > ignorant
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                        > > rude
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                        > > > > > > mailbox --
                        > > > > > > > > which ...
                        > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                        > > you
                        > > > > even
                        > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                        > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                        > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                        > > > > > > word
                        > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                        > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                        > > incompetence
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                        > > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list without
                        > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                        > > both
                        > > > > inept,
                        > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                        > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                        > > in
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > > heat
                        > > > > > > > > of anger and
                        > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                        > > > > mismanagement
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                        > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > list
                        > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                        > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                        > > > > great
                        > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                        > > my
                        > > > > new
                        > > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                        > > ...
                        > > > > as
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                        > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                        > > done
                        > > > > > > elsewhere
                        > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                        > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                        > > > > achievments
                        > > > > > > ...
                        > > > > > > > > much larger than
                        > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                        > > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                        > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                        > > Stay on
                        > > > > > > topic
                        > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                        > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                        > > great
                        > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                        > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                        > > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                        > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                        > > > > supposed
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                        > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                        > > booted
                        > > > > me.
                        > > > > > > It's
                        > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                        > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                        > > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                        > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                        > > arse
                        > > > > where
                        > > > > > > your
                        > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                        > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Mark
                        > > > > > > > > >
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