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  • yeoman
    Sue, Thankyou for your perceptive note... eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday,
    Message 1 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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      Sue,

      Thankyou for your perceptive note...

      eduard

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


      > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
      this now, to the
      > list.
      >
      > Sue McPherson
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      >
      >
      > > Sue,
      > >
      > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
      to
      > > make a big deal of it.
      > >
      > > eduard
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
      > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      > >
      > >
      > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
      > > being so disruptive.
      > > >
      > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
      have
      > > A VERY POOR
      > > > GRASP ON REALITY
      > > >
      > > > Sue McPherson
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
      > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      MODERATOR
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Chris,
      > > > >
      > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
      mean,
      > > he
      > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
      > > moderates a
      > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
      > > members!!
      > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
      > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
      > > > >
      > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
      > > list.
      > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
      > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
      refused
      > > to do
      > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
      > > every
      > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
      > > have it
      > > > > both ways.
      > > > >
      > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
      you to
      > > the
      > > > > public.
      > > > >
      > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
      posts
      > > [I
      > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
      > > only
      > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
      input.
      > > Of
      > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
      interested
      > > in
      > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
      task to
      > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
      to
      > > wrap
      > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
      > > > >
      > > > > eduard
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
      > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
      > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      MODERATOR
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
      > > co-moderators
      > > > > immediately, two
      > > > > > years ago.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
      for
      > > > > academic reasons.
      > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
      > > were
      > > > > quite helpful during
      > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
      > > contributor
      > > > > and I miss his
      > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
      work, I
      > > > > believe, and Yulian
      > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
      > > > > unavailable to manage the
      > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
      > > community
      > > > > dynamics.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
      cannot be
      > > one
      > > > > dictator in
      > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
      a
      > > > > country. This forum is
      > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
      newsgroups
      > > and
      > > > > mailing lists.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
      like
      > > > > Stalin. Get real...
      > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
      him.
      > > I
      > > > > merely sought to
      > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
      > > acceptable.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
      > > offensive, in
      > > > > my opinion. I'm
      > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
      an
      > > > > accident years ago and
      > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
      my
      > > > > fault; I chose to race
      > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
      made
      > > the
      > > > > decisions leading
      > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
      > > moderators, I
      > > > > suppose?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
      > > pretty
      > > > > darn well in
      > > > > > life...
      > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
      > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
      > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
      > > > > >
      > > > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
      > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
      > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
      > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
      > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      > > MODERATOR
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
      > > others.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
      > > nooist
      > > > > / Existentialist
      > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
      evidence
      > > many
      > > > > times about Eduard
      > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
      > > That
      > > > > is irresponsible
      > > > > > management and incompetence.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
      to
      > > chat >
      > > > > on other topics.
      > > > > > I think you will find they are more
      > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
      be
      > > > > secondary Moderator. I
      > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
      out
      > > of
      > > > > the race and
      > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
      > > > > position. I notice you
      > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
      > > personally
      > > > > > and his silly
      > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
      > > temporary
      > > > > kick.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
      put
      > > up
      > > > > with his repeated
      > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
      why
      > > I
      > > > > repeatedly
      > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
      nothing
      > > on
      > > > > his nooist /
      > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
      is
      > > a
      > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
      > > > > mismanagement. Your
      > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
      and
      > > > > no-one was there to
      > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
      to
      > > you
      > > > > and still you
      > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
      > > over
      > > > > 300 members but only
      > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
      > > topic!
      > > > > You did not make
      > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
      suggested
      > > the
      > > > > use of other
      > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
      last
      > > few
      > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
      Existentialist
      > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
      > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
      > > > > positivist science. I
      > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
      failed
      > > to
      > > > > act appropriately!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
      > > > > Existentialist list as was
      > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
      caused
      > > by
      > > > > your lack of
      > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
      > > intervention.
      > > > > No contigency
      > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
      after a
      > > > > flood of complaints
      > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
      inaction...
      > > you
      > > > > gave me a booting
      > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
      ONLY
      > > person
      > > > > who was willing
      > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
      its
      > > > > aims ... ME! Read
      > > > > > the posts!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
      ignorant
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
      and
      > > > > ingorant. I quote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
      > > mailbox --
      > > > > which ...
      > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
      even
      > > > > bother to read my
      > > > > > posts and complaints????
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
      Anglo-Saxon
      > > word
      > > > > 'pissed'??) You
      > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
      and
      > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
      > > Existentialist
      > > > > list without
      > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
      inept,
      > > > > lacking insight and
      > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
      the
      > > heat
      > > > > of anger and
      > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
      mismanagement
      > > and
      > > > > incompetence.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
      Existentialist
      > > list
      > > > > better ... if it
      > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
      > > > > >
      > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
      great
      > > > > ignorance on his part."
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
      new
      > > list.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
      as
      > > I
      > > > > repeatedly pointed
      > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
      > > elsewhere
      > > > > or in the past.
      > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
      achievments
      > > ...
      > > > > much larger than
      > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
      > > > > Existentialist list and
      > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
      > > topic
      > > > > ... unlike your
      > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
      you
      > > > > are!!! (Read your
      > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
      > > > > Existentialist list
      > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
      supposed
      > > to
      > > > > be. I piss on
      > > > > > every one of them!
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
      me.
      > > It's
      > > > > rude and shows
      > > > > > your incompetence.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
      > > Existentialist
      > > > > list you can shove
      > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
      where
      > > your
      > > > > head is!!!!! You
      > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Mark
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
      removed]
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    • Sue McPherson
      Wrong answer, eduard. That s one. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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        Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.

        Sue McPherson

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


        > Sue,
        >
        > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
        >
        > eduard
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        >
        >
        > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
        > this now, to the
        > > list.
        > >
        > > Sue McPherson
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > >
        > >
        > > > Sue,
        > > >
        > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
        > to
        > > > make a big deal of it.
        > > >
        > > > eduard
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
        > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
        > > > being so disruptive.
        > > > >
        > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
        > have
        > > > A VERY POOR
        > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
        > > > >
        > > > > Sue McPherson
        > > > >
        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > MODERATOR
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > Chris,
        > > > > >
        > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
        > mean,
        > > > he
        > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
        > > > moderates a
        > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
        > > > members!!
        > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
        > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
        > > > list.
        > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
        > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
        > refused
        > > > to do
        > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
        > > > every
        > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
        > > > have it
        > > > > > both ways.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
        > you to
        > > > the
        > > > > > public.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
        > posts
        > > > [I
        > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
        > > > only
        > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
        > input.
        > > > Of
        > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
        > interested
        > > > in
        > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
        > task to
        > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
        > to
        > > > wrap
        > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > eduard
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
        > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
        > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > MODERATOR
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
        > > > co-moderators
        > > > > > immediately, two
        > > > > > > years ago.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
        > for
        > > > > > academic reasons.
        > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
        > > > were
        > > > > > quite helpful during
        > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
        > > > contributor
        > > > > > and I miss his
        > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
        > work, I
        > > > > > believe, and Yulian
        > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
        > > > > > unavailable to manage the
        > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
        > > > community
        > > > > > dynamics.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
        > cannot be
        > > > one
        > > > > > dictator in
        > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
        > a
        > > > > > country. This forum is
        > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
        > newsgroups
        > > > and
        > > > > > mailing lists.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
        > like
        > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
        > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
        > him.
        > > > I
        > > > > > merely sought to
        > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
        > > > acceptable.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
        > > > offensive, in
        > > > > > my opinion. I'm
        > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
        > an
        > > > > > accident years ago and
        > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
        > my
        > > > > > fault; I chose to race
        > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
        > made
        > > > the
        > > > > > decisions leading
        > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
        > > > moderators, I
        > > > > > suppose?
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
        > > > pretty
        > > > > > darn well in
        > > > > > > life...
        > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
        > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
        > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
        > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
        > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
        > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > > > MODERATOR
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
        > > > others.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
        > > > nooist
        > > > > > / Existentialist
        > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
        > evidence
        > > > many
        > > > > > times about Eduard
        > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
        > > > That
        > > > > > is irresponsible
        > > > > > > management and incompetence.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
        > to
        > > > chat >
        > > > > > on other topics.
        > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
        > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
        > be
        > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
        > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
        > out
        > > > of
        > > > > > the race and
        > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
        > > > > > position. I notice you
        > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
        > > > personally
        > > > > > > and his silly
        > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
        > > > temporary
        > > > > > kick.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
        > put
        > > > up
        > > > > > with his repeated
        > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
        > why
        > > > I
        > > > > > repeatedly
        > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
        > nothing
        > > > on
        > > > > > his nooist /
        > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
        > is
        > > > a
        > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
        > > > > > mismanagement. Your
        > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
        > and
        > > > > > no-one was there to
        > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
        > to
        > > > you
        > > > > > and still you
        > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
        > > > over
        > > > > > 300 members but only
        > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
        > > > topic!
        > > > > > You did not make
        > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
        > suggested
        > > > the
        > > > > > use of other
        > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
        > last
        > > > few
        > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
        > Existentialist
        > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
        > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
        > > > > > positivist science. I
        > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
        > failed
        > > > to
        > > > > > act appropriately!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
        > > > > > Existentialist list as was
        > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
        > caused
        > > > by
        > > > > > your lack of
        > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
        > > > intervention.
        > > > > > No contigency
        > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
        > after a
        > > > > > flood of complaints
        > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
        > inaction...
        > > > you
        > > > > > gave me a booting
        > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
        > ONLY
        > > > person
        > > > > > who was willing
        > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
        > its
        > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
        > > > > > > the posts!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
        > ignorant
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
        > and
        > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
        > > > mailbox --
        > > > > > which ...
        > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
        > even
        > > > > > bother to read my
        > > > > > > posts and complaints????
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
        > Anglo-Saxon
        > > > word
        > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
        > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
        > and
        > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
        > > > Existentialist
        > > > > > list without
        > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
        > inept,
        > > > > > lacking insight and
        > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
        > the
        > > > heat
        > > > > > of anger and
        > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
        > mismanagement
        > > > and
        > > > > > incompetence.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
        > Existentialist
        > > > list
        > > > > > better ... if it
        > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
        > great
        > > > > > ignorance on his part."
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
        > new
        > > > list.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
        > as
        > > > I
        > > > > > repeatedly pointed
        > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
        > > > elsewhere
        > > > > > or in the past.
        > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
        > achievments
        > > > ...
        > > > > > much larger than
        > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
        > > > > > Existentialist list and
        > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
        > > > topic
        > > > > > ... unlike your
        > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
        > you
        > > > > > are!!! (Read your
        > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
        > > > > > Existentialist list
        > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
        > supposed
        > > > to
        > > > > > be. I piss on
        > > > > > > every one of them!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
        > me.
        > > > It's
        > > > > > rude and shows
        > > > > > > your incompetence.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
        > > > Existentialist
        > > > > > list you can shove
        > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
        > where
        > > > your
        > > > > > head is!!!!! You
        > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Mark
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
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      • yeoman
        what s one?? ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re:
        Message 3 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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          what's one??

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


          > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
          >
          > Sue McPherson
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          >
          >
          > > Sue,
          > >
          > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
          > >
          > > eduard
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > >
          > >
          > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
          to
          > > this now, to the
          > > > list.
          > > >
          > > > Sue McPherson
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          MODERATOR
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Sue,
          > > > >
          > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
          trying
          > > to
          > > > > make a big deal of it.
          > > > >
          > > > > eduard
          > > > >
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
          <sue@...>
          > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          MODERATOR
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
          for
          > > > > being so disruptive.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
          to
          > > have
          > > > > A VERY POOR
          > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Sue McPherson
          > > > > >
          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > MODERATOR
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > Chris,
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
          I
          > > mean,
          > > > > he
          > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
          > > > > moderates a
          > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
          600
          > > > > members!!
          > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
          so.
          > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
          your
          > > > > list.
          > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
          messages
          > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
          > > refused
          > > > > to do
          > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
          and
          > > > > every
          > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
          cant
          > > > > have it
          > > > > > > both ways.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
          exposes
          > > you to
          > > > > the
          > > > > > > public.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
          the
          > > posts
          > > > > [I
          > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
          has
          > > > > only
          > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
          of
          > > input.
          > > > > Of
          > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
          > > interested
          > > > > in
          > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
          > > task to
          > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
          credentials
          > > to
          > > > > wrap
          > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
          superiority.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > eduard
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
          <existlist1@...>
          > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
          > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > MODERATOR
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
          > > > > co-moderators
          > > > > > > immediately, two
          > > > > > > > years ago.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
          on
          > > for
          > > > > > > academic reasons.
          > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
          Diana A
          > > > > were
          > > > > > > quite helpful during
          > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
          > > > > contributor
          > > > > > > and I miss his
          > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
          > > work, I
          > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
          > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
          being
          > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
          > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
          > > > > community
          > > > > > > dynamics.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
          > > cannot be
          > > > > one
          > > > > > > dictator in
          > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
          or
          > > a
          > > > > > > country. This forum is
          > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
          > > newsgroups
          > > > > and
          > > > > > > mailing lists.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
          > > like
          > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
          > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
          killed
          > > him.
          > > > > I
          > > > > > > merely sought to
          > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
          > > > > acceptable.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
          > > > > offensive, in
          > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
          > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
          again.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
          had
          > > an
          > > > > > > accident years ago and
          > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
          was
          > > my
          > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
          > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
          . I
          > > made
          > > > > the
          > > > > > > decisions leading
          > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
          > > > > moderators, I
          > > > > > > suppose?
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
          do
          > > > > pretty
          > > > > > > darn well in
          > > > > > > > life...
          > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
          > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
          > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
          > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
          > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
          > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
          > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > > > MODERATOR
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
          and
          > > > > others.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
          your
          > > > > nooist
          > > > > > > / Existentialist
          > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
          > > evidence
          > > > > many
          > > > > > > times about Eduard
          > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
          management!
          > > > > That
          > > > > > > is irresponsible
          > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
          pleased
          > > to
          > > > > chat >
          > > > > > > on other topics.
          > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
          > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
          to
          > > be
          > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
          > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
          pulled
          > > out
          > > > > of
          > > > > > > the race and
          > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
          the
          > > > > > > position. I notice you
          > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
          > > > > personally
          > > > > > > > and his silly
          > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
          then
          > > > > temporary
          > > > > > > kick.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
          I
          > > put
          > > > > up
          > > > > > > with his repeated
          > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
          is
          > > why
          > > > > I
          > > > > > > repeatedly
          > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
          > > nothing
          > > > > on
          > > > > > > his nooist /
          > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
          that
          > > is
          > > > > a
          > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
          gross
          > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
          > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
          moderation
          > > and
          > > > > > > no-one was there to
          > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
          out
          > > to
          > > > > you
          > > > > > > and still you
          > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
          lis
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
          are
          > > > > over
          > > > > > > 300 members but only
          > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
          on
          > > > > topic!
          > > > > > > You did not make
          > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
          > > suggested
          > > > > the
          > > > > > > use of other
          > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
          yours!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
          The
          > > last
          > > > > few
          > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
          > > Existentialist
          > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
          > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
          and
          > > > > > > positivist science. I
          > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
          you
          > > failed
          > > > > to
          > > > > > > act appropriately!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
          > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
          > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
          > > caused
          > > > > by
          > > > > > > your lack of
          > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
          > > > > intervention.
          > > > > > > No contigency
          > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
          > > after a
          > > > > > > flood of complaints
          > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
          > > inaction...
          > > > > you
          > > > > > > gave me a booting
          > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
          > > ONLY
          > > > > person
          > > > > > > who was willing
          > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
          back to
          > > its
          > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
          > > > > > > > the posts!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
          > > ignorant
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
          rude
          > > and
          > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
          > > > > mailbox --
          > > > > > > which ...
          > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
          you
          > > even
          > > > > > > bother to read my
          > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
          > > Anglo-Saxon
          > > > > word
          > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
          > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
          incompetence
          > > and
          > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
          > > > > Existentialist
          > > > > > > list without
          > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
          both
          > > inept,
          > > > > > > lacking insight and
          > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
          in
          > > the
          > > > > heat
          > > > > > > of anger and
          > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
          > > mismanagement
          > > > > and
          > > > > > > incompetence.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
          > > Existentialist
          > > > > list
          > > > > > > better ... if it
          > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
          > > great
          > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
          my
          > > new
          > > > > list.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
          ...
          > > as
          > > > > I
          > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
          > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
          done
          > > > > elsewhere
          > > > > > > or in the past.
          > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
          > > achievments
          > > > > ...
          > > > > > > much larger than
          > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
          nooist /
          > > > > > > Existentialist list and
          > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
          Stay on
          > > > > topic
          > > > > > > ... unlike your
          > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
          great
          > > you
          > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
          > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
          nooist /
          > > > > > > Existentialist list
          > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
          > > supposed
          > > > > to
          > > > > > > be. I piss on
          > > > > > > > every one of them!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
          booted
          > > me.
          > > > > It's
          > > > > > > rude and shows
          > > > > > > > your incompetence.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
          > > > > Existentialist
          > > > > > > list you can shove
          > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
          arse
          > > where
          > > > > your
          > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
          > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Mark
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
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        • Sue McPherson
          Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
          Message 4 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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            Try a little harder to get along!
            There's no need for such impertinence.

            Sue McPherson

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


            > what's one??
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            >
            >
            > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
            > >
            > > Sue McPherson
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > >
            > >
            > > > Sue,
            > > >
            > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
            > > >
            > > > eduard
            > > >
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
            > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
            > to
            > > > this now, to the
            > > > > list.
            > > > >
            > > > > Sue McPherson
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > MODERATOR
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > Sue,
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
            > trying
            > > > to
            > > > > > make a big deal of it.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > eduard
            > > > > >
            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
            > <sue@...>
            > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
            > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > MODERATOR
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
            > for
            > > > > > being so disruptive.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
            > to
            > > > have
            > > > > > A VERY POOR
            > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Sue McPherson
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > > > MODERATOR
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Chris,
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
            > I
            > > > mean,
            > > > > > he
            > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
            > > > > > moderates a
            > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
            > 600
            > > > > > members!!
            > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
            > so.
            > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
            > your
            > > > > > list.
            > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
            > messages
            > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
            > > > refused
            > > > > > to do
            > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
            > and
            > > > > > every
            > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
            > cant
            > > > > > have it
            > > > > > > > both ways.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
            > exposes
            > > > you to
            > > > > > the
            > > > > > > > public.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
            > the
            > > > posts
            > > > > > [I
            > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
            > has
            > > > > > only
            > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
            > of
            > > > input.
            > > > > > Of
            > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
            > > > interested
            > > > > > in
            > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
            > > > task to
            > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
            > credentials
            > > > to
            > > > > > wrap
            > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
            > superiority.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > eduard
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
            > <existlist1@...>
            > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
            > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > > > MODERATOR
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
            > > > > > co-moderators
            > > > > > > > immediately, two
            > > > > > > > > years ago.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
            > on
            > > > for
            > > > > > > > academic reasons.
            > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
            > Diana A
            > > > > > were
            > > > > > > > quite helpful during
            > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
            > > > > > contributor
            > > > > > > > and I miss his
            > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
            > > > work, I
            > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
            > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
            > being
            > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
            > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
            > > > > > community
            > > > > > > > dynamics.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
            > > > cannot be
            > > > > > one
            > > > > > > > dictator in
            > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
            > or
            > > > a
            > > > > > > > country. This forum is
            > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
            > > > newsgroups
            > > > > > and
            > > > > > > > mailing lists.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
            > > > like
            > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
            > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
            > killed
            > > > him.
            > > > > > I
            > > > > > > > merely sought to
            > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
            > > > > > acceptable.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
            > > > > > offensive, in
            > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
            > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
            > again.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
            > had
            > > > an
            > > > > > > > accident years ago and
            > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
            > was
            > > > my
            > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
            > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
            > . I
            > > > made
            > > > > > the
            > > > > > > > decisions leading
            > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
            > > > > > moderators, I
            > > > > > > > suppose?
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
            > do
            > > > > > pretty
            > > > > > > > darn well in
            > > > > > > > > life...
            > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
            > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
            > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
            > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
            > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
            > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
            > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > > > > > MODERATOR
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
            > and
            > > > > > others.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
            > your
            > > > > > nooist
            > > > > > > > / Existentialist
            > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
            > > > evidence
            > > > > > many
            > > > > > > > times about Eduard
            > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
            > management!
            > > > > > That
            > > > > > > > is irresponsible
            > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
            > pleased
            > > > to
            > > > > > chat >
            > > > > > > > on other topics.
            > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
            > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
            > to
            > > > be
            > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
            > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
            > pulled
            > > > out
            > > > > > of
            > > > > > > > the race and
            > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
            > the
            > > > > > > > position. I notice you
            > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
            > > > > > personally
            > > > > > > > > and his silly
            > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
            > then
            > > > > > temporary
            > > > > > > > kick.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
            > I
            > > > put
            > > > > > up
            > > > > > > > with his repeated
            > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
            > is
            > > > why
            > > > > > I
            > > > > > > > repeatedly
            > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
            > > > nothing
            > > > > > on
            > > > > > > > his nooist /
            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
            > that
            > > > is
            > > > > > a
            > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
            > gross
            > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
            > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
            > moderation
            > > > and
            > > > > > > > no-one was there to
            > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
            > out
            > > > to
            > > > > > you
            > > > > > > > and still you
            > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
            > lis
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
            > are
            > > > > > over
            > > > > > > > 300 members but only
            > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
            > on
            > > > > > topic!
            > > > > > > > You did not make
            > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
            > > > suggested
            > > > > > the
            > > > > > > > use of other
            > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
            > yours!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
            > The
            > > > last
            > > > > > few
            > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
            > > > Existentialist
            > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
            > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
            > and
            > > > > > > > positivist science. I
            > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
            > you
            > > > failed
            > > > > > to
            > > > > > > > act appropriately!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
            > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
            > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
            > > > caused
            > > > > > by
            > > > > > > > your lack of
            > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
            > > > > > intervention.
            > > > > > > > No contigency
            > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
            > > > after a
            > > > > > > > flood of complaints
            > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
            > > > inaction...
            > > > > > you
            > > > > > > > gave me a booting
            > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
            > > > ONLY
            > > > > > person
            > > > > > > > who was willing
            > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
            > back to
            > > > its
            > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
            > > > > > > > > the posts!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
            > > > ignorant
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
            > rude
            > > > and
            > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
            > > > > > mailbox --
            > > > > > > > which ...
            > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
            > you
            > > > even
            > > > > > > > bother to read my
            > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
            > > > Anglo-Saxon
            > > > > > word
            > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
            > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
            > incompetence
            > > > and
            > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
            > > > > > Existentialist
            > > > > > > > list without
            > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
            > both
            > > > inept,
            > > > > > > > lacking insight and
            > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
            > in
            > > > the
            > > > > > heat
            > > > > > > > of anger and
            > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
            > > > mismanagement
            > > > > > and
            > > > > > > > incompetence.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
            > > > Existentialist
            > > > > > list
            > > > > > > > better ... if it
            > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
            > > > great
            > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
            > my
            > > > new
            > > > > > list.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
            > ...
            > > > as
            > > > > > I
            > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
            > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
            > done
            > > > > > elsewhere
            > > > > > > > or in the past.
            > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
            > > > achievments
            > > > > > ...
            > > > > > > > much larger than
            > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
            > nooist /
            > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
            > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
            > Stay on
            > > > > > topic
            > > > > > > > ... unlike your
            > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
            > great
            > > > you
            > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
            > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
            > nooist /
            > > > > > > > Existentialist list
            > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
            > > > supposed
            > > > > > to
            > > > > > > > be. I piss on
            > > > > > > > > every one of them!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
            > booted
            > > > me.
            > > > > > It's
            > > > > > > > rude and shows
            > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
            > > > > > Existentialist
            > > > > > > > list you can shove
            > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
            > arse
            > > > where
            > > > > > your
            > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
            > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Mark
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
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          • Lorna Landry
            Eduard, Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris? Lorna yeoman wrote:Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
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              Eduard,
              Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris?
              Lorna

              yeoman <yeoman@...> wrote:Chris,

              It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
              has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
              group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
              And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
              Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

              And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
              Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
              challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
              so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
              other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
              both ways.

              Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
              public.

              Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
              don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
              complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
              course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
              learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
              learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
              the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

              eduard


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
              To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
              Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


              > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
              immediately, two
              > years ago.
              >
              > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
              academic reasons.
              > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
              quite helpful during
              > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
              and I miss his
              > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
              believe, and Yulian
              > was seeking an appointment to a university.
              >
              > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
              unavailable to manage the
              > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
              dynamics.
              >
              > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
              dictator in
              > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
              country. This forum is
              > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
              mailing lists.
              >
              > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
              Stalin. Get real...
              > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
              merely sought to
              > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
              >
              > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
              my opinion. I'm
              > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
              >
              > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
              accident years ago and
              > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
              fault; I chose to race
              > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
              decisions leading
              > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
              suppose?
              >
              > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
              darn well in
              > life...
              > - C. S. Wyatt
              > http://www.tameri.com
              > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
              [mailto:tindall@...]
              > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
              > To: Exist List Moderator
              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              >
              >
              > Thank you for your reply.
              >
              >
              > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
              >
              >
              > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
              / Existentialist
              > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
              times about Eduard
              > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
              is irresponsible
              > management and incompetence.
              >
              >
              > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
              on other topics.
              > I think you will find they are more
              > > responsible than most others on the list.
              >
              >
              > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
              secondary Moderator. I
              > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
              the race and
              > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
              position. I notice you
              > did not appoint Eduard!
              >
              >
              > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
              > and his silly
              > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
              kick.
              >
              >
              > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
              with his repeated
              > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
              repeatedly
              > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
              his nooist /
              > Existentialist list!!!
              >
              >
              > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
              > > sign of mismanagement.
              >
              >
              > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
              mismanagement. Your
              > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
              no-one was there to
              > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
              and still you
              > failed to act. That is incompetence!
              >
              >
              > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
              >
              >
              > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
              300 members but only
              > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
              You did not make
              > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
              use of other
              > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
              >
              >
              > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
              > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
              >
              >
              > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
              list! ABSOLUTELY
              > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
              positivist science. I
              > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
              act appropriately!
              >
              >
              > > Incapable of running a list?
              >
              > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
              Existentialist list as was
              > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
              your lack of
              > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
              No contigency
              > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
              flood of complaints
              > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
              gave me a booting
              > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
              who was willing
              > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
              aims ... ME! Read
              > the posts!
              >
              >
              > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
              >
              > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
              ingorant. I quote:
              >
              > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
              which ...
              > really ----ed me off big time."
              >
              > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
              bother to read my
              > posts and complaints????
              >
              > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
              'pissed'??) You
              > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
              > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              >
              > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
              list without
              > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
              lacking insight and
              > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
              of anger and
              > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
              incompetence.
              >
              > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
              >
              >
              > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
              better ... if it
              > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
              >
              > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
              >
              > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
              ignorance on his part."
              >
              > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
              >
              >
              > > My web site barely hints at my works
              >
              > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
              repeatedly pointed
              > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
              or in the past.
              > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
              much larger than
              > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
              Existentialist list and
              > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
              ... unlike your
              > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
              >
              > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
              are!!! (Read your
              > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
              Existentialist list
              > demonstrates the opposite!!!
              >
              > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
              >
              > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
              >
              > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
              >
              > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
              >
              > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
              >
              > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
              >
              > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
              be. I piss on
              > every one of them!
              >
              >
              >
              > > I hope you decide to remain
              >
              >
              > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
              rude and shows
              > your incompetence.
              >
              > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
              list you can shove
              > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
              head is!!!!! You
              > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
              >
              > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
              >
              >
              > Mark
              >
              >
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            • Lorna Landry
              Gee...that sounds friendly... Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so
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                Gee...that sounds friendly...
                Lorna

                Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

                Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
                GRASP ON REALITY

                Sue McPherson

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                > Chris,
                >
                > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                >
                > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                > both ways.
                >
                > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                > public.
                >
                > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                >
                > eduard
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                >
                >
                > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                > immediately, two
                > > years ago.
                > >
                > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                > academic reasons.
                > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                > quite helpful during
                > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                > and I miss his
                > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                > believe, and Yulian
                > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                > >
                > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                > unavailable to manage the
                > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                > dynamics.
                > >
                > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                > dictator in
                > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                > country. This forum is
                > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                > mailing lists.
                > >
                > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                > Stalin. Get real...
                > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                > merely sought to
                > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                > >
                > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                > my opinion. I'm
                > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                > >
                > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                > accident years ago and
                > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                > fault; I chose to race
                > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                > decisions leading
                > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                > suppose?
                > >
                > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                > darn well in
                > > life...
                > > - C. S. Wyatt
                > > http://www.tameri.com
                > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                > >
                > > -----Original Message-----
                > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                > [mailto:tindall@...]
                > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                > > To: Exist List Moderator
                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > >
                > >
                > > Thank you for your reply.
                > >
                > >
                > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                > >
                > >
                > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                > / Existentialist
                > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                > times about Eduard
                > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                > is irresponsible
                > > management and incompetence.
                > >
                > >
                > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                > on other topics.
                > > I think you will find they are more
                > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                > >
                > >
                > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                > secondary Moderator. I
                > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                > the race and
                > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                > position. I notice you
                > > did not appoint Eduard!
                > >
                > >
                > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                > > and his silly
                > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                > kick.
                > >
                > >
                > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                > with his repeated
                > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                > repeatedly
                > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                > his nooist /
                > > Existentialist list!!!
                > >
                > >
                > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                > > > sign of mismanagement.
                > >
                > >
                > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                > mismanagement. Your
                > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                > no-one was there to
                > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                > and still you
                > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                > >
                > >
                > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                > >
                > >
                > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                > 300 members but only
                > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                > You did not make
                > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                > use of other
                > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                > >
                > >
                > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                > >
                > >
                > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                > list! ABSOLUTELY
                > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                > positivist science. I
                > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                > act appropriately!
                > >
                > >
                > > > Incapable of running a list?
                > >
                > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                > Existentialist list as was
                > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                > your lack of
                > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                > No contigency
                > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                > flood of complaints
                > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                > gave me a booting
                > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                > who was willing
                > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                > aims ... ME! Read
                > > the posts!
                > >
                > >
                > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                > >
                > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                > ingorant. I quote:
                > >
                > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                > which ...
                > > really ----ed me off big time."
                > >
                > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                > bother to read my
                > > posts and complaints????
                > >
                > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                > 'pissed'??) You
                > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                > >
                > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                > list without
                > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                > lacking insight and
                > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                > of anger and
                > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                > incompetence.
                > >
                > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                > >
                > >
                > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                > better ... if it
                > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                > >
                > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                > >
                > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                > ignorance on his part."
                > >
                > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                > >
                > >
                > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                > >
                > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                > repeatedly pointed
                > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                > or in the past.
                > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                > much larger than
                > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                > Existentialist list and
                > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                > ... unlike your
                > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                > >
                > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                > are!!! (Read your
                > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                > Existentialist list
                > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                > >
                > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                > >
                > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                > >
                > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                > >
                > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                > >
                > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                > >
                > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                > >
                > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                > be. I piss on
                > > every one of them!
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > > I hope you decide to remain
                > >
                > >
                > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                > rude and shows
                > > your incompetence.
                > >
                > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                > list you can shove
                > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                > head is!!!!! You
                > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                > >
                > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                > >
                > >
                > > Mark
                > >
                > >
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              • Lorna Landry
                Take you own advice. Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue
                Message 7 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                  Take you own advice.

                  Lorna




                  Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder to get along!
                  There's no need for such impertinence.

                  Sue McPherson

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                  > what's one??
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  >
                  >
                  > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                  > >
                  > > Sue McPherson
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > Sue,
                  > > >
                  > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                  > > >
                  > > > eduard
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                  > to
                  > > > this now, to the
                  > > > > list.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > MODERATOR
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > Sue,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                  > trying
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                  > <sue@...>
                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > MODERATOR
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                  > for
                  > > > > > being so disruptive.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                  > to
                  > > > have
                  > > > > > A VERY POOR
                  > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                  > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Chris,
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                  > I
                  > > > mean,
                  > > > > > he
                  > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                  > > > > > moderates a
                  > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                  > 600
                  > > > > > members!!
                  > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                  > so.
                  > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                  > your
                  > > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                  > messages
                  > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                  > > > refused
                  > > > > > to do
                  > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                  > and
                  > > > > > every
                  > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                  > cant
                  > > > > > have it
                  > > > > > > > both ways.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                  > exposes
                  > > > you to
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > public.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                  > the
                  > > > posts
                  > > > > > [I
                  > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                  > has
                  > > > > > only
                  > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                  > of
                  > > > input.
                  > > > > > Of
                  > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                  > > > interested
                  > > > > > in
                  > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                  > > > task to
                  > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                  > credentials
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > wrap
                  > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                  > superiority.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                  > <existlist1@...>
                  > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                  > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                  > > > > > co-moderators
                  > > > > > > > immediately, two
                  > > > > > > > > years ago.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                  > on
                  > > > for
                  > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                  > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                  > Diana A
                  > > > > > were
                  > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                  > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                  > > > > > contributor
                  > > > > > > > and I miss his
                  > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                  > > > work, I
                  > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                  > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                  > being
                  > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                  > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                  > > > > > community
                  > > > > > > > dynamics.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                  > > > cannot be
                  > > > > > one
                  > > > > > > > dictator in
                  > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                  > or
                  > > > a
                  > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                  > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                  > > > newsgroups
                  > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                  > > > like
                  > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                  > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                  > killed
                  > > > him.
                  > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > merely sought to
                  > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                  > > > > > acceptable.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                  > > > > > offensive, in
                  > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                  > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                  > again.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                  > had
                  > > > an
                  > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                  > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                  > was
                  > > > my
                  > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                  > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                  > . I
                  > > > made
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > decisions leading
                  > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                  > > > > > moderators, I
                  > > > > > > > suppose?
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                  > do
                  > > > > > pretty
                  > > > > > > > darn well in
                  > > > > > > > > life...
                  > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                  > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                  > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                  > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                  > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                  > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                  > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                  > and
                  > > > > > others.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                  > your
                  > > > > > nooist
                  > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                  > > > evidence
                  > > > > > many
                  > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                  > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                  > management!
                  > > > > > That
                  > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                  > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                  > pleased
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > chat >
                  > > > > > > > on other topics.
                  > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                  > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                  > to
                  > > > be
                  > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                  > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                  > pulled
                  > > > out
                  > > > > > of
                  > > > > > > > the race and
                  > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                  > the
                  > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                  > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                  > > > > > personally
                  > > > > > > > > and his silly
                  > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                  > then
                  > > > > > temporary
                  > > > > > > > kick.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                  > I
                  > > > put
                  > > > > > up
                  > > > > > > > with his repeated
                  > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                  > is
                  > > > why
                  > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > repeatedly
                  > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                  > > > nothing
                  > > > > > on
                  > > > > > > > his nooist /
                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                  > that
                  > > > is
                  > > > > > a
                  > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                  > gross
                  > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                  > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                  > moderation
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                  > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                  > out
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > and still you
                  > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                  > lis
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                  > are
                  > > > > > over
                  > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                  > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                  > on
                  > > > > > topic!
                  > > > > > > > You did not make
                  > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                  > > > suggested
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > use of other
                  > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                  > yours!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                  > The
                  > > > last
                  > > > > > few
                  > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                  > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                  > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                  > and
                  > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                  > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                  > you
                  > > > failed
                  > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                  > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                  > > > caused
                  > > > > > by
                  > > > > > > > your lack of
                  > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                  > > > > > intervention.
                  > > > > > > > No contigency
                  > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                  > > > after a
                  > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                  > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                  > > > inaction...
                  > > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                  > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                  > > > ONLY
                  > > > > > person
                  > > > > > > > who was willing
                  > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                  > back to
                  > > > its
                  > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                  > > > > > > > > the posts!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                  > > > ignorant
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                  > rude
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                  > > > > > mailbox --
                  > > > > > > > which ...
                  > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                  > you
                  > > > even
                  > > > > > > > bother to read my
                  > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                  > > > Anglo-Saxon
                  > > > > > word
                  > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                  > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                  > incompetence
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                  > > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list without
                  > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                  > both
                  > > > inept,
                  > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                  > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                  > in
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > heat
                  > > > > > > > of anger and
                  > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                  > > > mismanagement
                  > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                  > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > list
                  > > > > > > > better ... if it
                  > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                  > > > great
                  > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                  > my
                  > > > new
                  > > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                  > ...
                  > > > as
                  > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                  > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                  > done
                  > > > > > elsewhere
                  > > > > > > > or in the past.
                  > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                  > > > achievments
                  > > > > > ...
                  > > > > > > > much larger than
                  > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                  > nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                  > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                  > Stay on
                  > > > > > topic
                  > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                  > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                  > great
                  > > > you
                  > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                  > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                  > nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                  > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                  > > > supposed
                  > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                  > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                  > booted
                  > > > me.
                  > > > > > It's
                  > > > > > > > rude and shows
                  > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                  > > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list you can shove
                  > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                  > arse
                  > > > where
                  > > > > > your
                  > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                  > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                  > > > > > > > >
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                  > > > > > > > > Mark
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                • Sue McPherson
                  Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
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                    Mind your own business

                    Sue McPherson

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                    To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                    Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                    >
                    > Take you own advice.
                    >
                    > Lorna
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                    to get along!
                    > There's no need for such impertinence.
                    >
                    > Sue McPherson
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    >
                    >
                    > > what's one??
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                    > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                    > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                    > > >
                    > > > Sue McPherson
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                    > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > > Sue,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                    > > > >
                    > > > > eduard
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                    > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                    > > to
                    > > > > this now, to the
                    > > > > > list.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Sue McPherson
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Sue,
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                    > > trying
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > eduard
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                    > > <sue@...>
                    > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                    > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                    > > for
                    > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                    > > to
                    > > > > have
                    > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                    > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                    > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Chris,
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                    > > I
                    > > > > mean,
                    > > > > > > he
                    > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                    > > > > > > moderates a
                    > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                    > > 600
                    > > > > > > members!!
                    > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                    > > so.
                    > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                    > > your
                    > > > > > > list.
                    > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                    > > messages
                    > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                    > > > > refused
                    > > > > > > to do
                    > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                    > > and
                    > > > > > > every
                    > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                    > > cant
                    > > > > > > have it
                    > > > > > > > > both ways.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                    > > exposes
                    > > > > you to
                    > > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > > > public.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                    > > the
                    > > > > posts
                    > > > > > > [I
                    > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                    > > has
                    > > > > > > only
                    > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                    > > of
                    > > > > input.
                    > > > > > > Of
                    > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                    > > > > interested
                    > > > > > > in
                    > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                    > > > > task to
                    > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                    > > credentials
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > > wrap
                    > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                    > > superiority.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > eduard
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                    > > <existlist1@...>
                    > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                    > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                    > > > > > > co-moderators
                    > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                    > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                    > > on
                    > > > > for
                    > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                    > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                    > > Diana A
                    > > > > > > were
                    > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                    > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                    > > > > > > contributor
                    > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                    > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                    > > > > work, I
                    > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                    > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                    > > being
                    > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                    > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                    > > > > > > community
                    > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                    > > > > cannot be
                    > > > > > > one
                    > > > > > > > > dictator in
                    > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                    > > or
                    > > > > a
                    > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                    > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                    > > > > newsgroups
                    > > > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                    > > > > like
                    > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                    > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                    > > killed
                    > > > > him.
                    > > > > > > I
                    > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                    > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                    > > > > > > acceptable.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                    > > > > > > offensive, in
                    > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                    > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                    > > again.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                    > > had
                    > > > > an
                    > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                    > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                    > > was
                    > > > > my
                    > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                    > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                    > > . I
                    > > > > made
                    > > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                    > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                    > > > > > > moderators, I
                    > > > > > > > > suppose?
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                    > > do
                    > > > > > > pretty
                    > > > > > > > > darn well in
                    > > > > > > > > > life...
                    > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                    > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                    > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                    > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                    > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                    > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                    > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > > > > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                    > > and
                    > > > > > > others.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                    > > your
                    > > > > > > nooist
                    > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                    > > > > evidence
                    > > > > > > many
                    > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                    > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                    > > management!
                    > > > > > > That
                    > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                    > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                    > > pleased
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > > chat >
                    > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                    > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                    > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                    > > to
                    > > > > be
                    > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                    > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                    > > pulled
                    > > > > out
                    > > > > > > of
                    > > > > > > > > the race and
                    > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                    > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                    > > > > > > personally
                    > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                    > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                    > > then
                    > > > > > > temporary
                    > > > > > > > > kick.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                    > > I
                    > > > > put
                    > > > > > > up
                    > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                    > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                    > > is
                    > > > > why
                    > > > > > > I
                    > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                    > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                    > > > > nothing
                    > > > > > > on
                    > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                    > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                    > > that
                    > > > > is
                    > > > > > > a
                    > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                    > > gross
                    > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                    > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                    > > moderation
                    > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                    > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                    > > out
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > > you
                    > > > > > > > > and still you
                    > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                    > > lis
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                    > > are
                    > > > > > > over
                    > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                    > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                    > > on
                    > > > > > > topic!
                    > > > > > > > > You did not make
                    > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                    > > > > suggested
                    > > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > > > use of other
                    > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                    > > yours!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                    > > The
                    > > > > last
                    > > > > > > few
                    > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                    > > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                    > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                    > > and
                    > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                    > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                    > > you
                    > > > > failed
                    > > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                    > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                    > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                    > > > > caused
                    > > > > > > by
                    > > > > > > > > your lack of
                    > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                    > > > > > > intervention.
                    > > > > > > > > No contigency
                    > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                    > > > > after a
                    > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                    > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                    > > > > inaction...
                    > > > > > > you
                    > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                    > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                    > > > > ONLY
                    > > > > > > person
                    > > > > > > > > who was willing
                    > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                    > > back to
                    > > > > its
                    > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                    > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                    > > > > ignorant
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                    > > rude
                    > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                    > > > > > > mailbox --
                    > > > > > > > > which ...
                    > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                    > > you
                    > > > > even
                    > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                    > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                    > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                    > > > > > > word
                    > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                    > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                    > > incompetence
                    > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                    > > > > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > > list without
                    > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                    > > both
                    > > > > inept,
                    > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                    > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                    > > in
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > heat
                    > > > > > > > > of anger and
                    > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                    > > > > mismanagement
                    > > > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                    > > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > list
                    > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                    > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                    > > > > great
                    > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                    > > my
                    > > > > new
                    > > > > > > list.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                    > > ...
                    > > > > as
                    > > > > > > I
                    > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                    > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                    > > done
                    > > > > > > elsewhere
                    > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                    > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                    > > > > achievments
                    > > > > > > ...
                    > > > > > > > > much larger than
                    > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                    > > nooist /
                    > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                    > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                    > > Stay on
                    > > > > > > topic
                    > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                    > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                    > > great
                    > > > > you
                    > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                    > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                    > > nooist /
                    > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                    > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                    > > > > supposed
                    > > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                    > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                    > > booted
                    > > > > me.
                    > > > > > > It's
                    > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                    > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                    > > > > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                    > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                    > > arse
                    > > > > where
                    > > > > > > your
                    > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                    > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Mark
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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                  • manicpg
                    id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the business of being laughed at for being realists. let north meet south
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                      id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the
                      business of being laughed at for being realists.

                      let north meet south



                      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Sue McPherson" <sue@m...> wrote:
                      > Mind your own business
                      >
                      > Sue McPherson
                      >
                      >
                      > >
                      > > Take you own advice.
                      > >
                      > > Lorna
                    • Lorna Landry
                      Gladly. Sue McPherson wrote:Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To:
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                        Gladly.




                        Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                        Sue McPherson

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                        >
                        > Take you own advice.
                        >
                        > Lorna
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                        to get along!
                        > There's no need for such impertinence.
                        >
                        > Sue McPherson
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        >
                        >
                        > > what's one??
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                        > > >
                        > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > Sue,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                        > > > >
                        > > > > eduard
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                        > > to
                        > > > > this now, to the
                        > > > > > list.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Sue,
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                        > > trying
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                        > > <sue@...>
                        > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                        > > for
                        > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                        > > to
                        > > > > have
                        > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                        > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Chris,
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                        > > I
                        > > > > mean,
                        > > > > > > he
                        > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                        > > > > > > moderates a
                        > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                        > > 600
                        > > > > > > members!!
                        > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                        > > so.
                        > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                        > > your
                        > > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                        > > messages
                        > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                        > > > > refused
                        > > > > > > to do
                        > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > every
                        > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                        > > cant
                        > > > > > > have it
                        > > > > > > > > both ways.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                        > > exposes
                        > > > > you to
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > public.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                        > > the
                        > > > > posts
                        > > > > > > [I
                        > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                        > > has
                        > > > > > > only
                        > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                        > > of
                        > > > > input.
                        > > > > > > Of
                        > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                        > > > > interested
                        > > > > > > in
                        > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                        > > > > task to
                        > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                        > > credentials
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > wrap
                        > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                        > > superiority.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                        > > <existlist1@...>
                        > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                        > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                        > > > > > > co-moderators
                        > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                        > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                        > > on
                        > > > > for
                        > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                        > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                        > > Diana A
                        > > > > > > were
                        > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                        > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                        > > > > > > contributor
                        > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                        > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                        > > > > work, I
                        > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                        > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                        > > being
                        > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                        > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                        > > > > > > community
                        > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                        > > > > cannot be
                        > > > > > > one
                        > > > > > > > > dictator in
                        > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                        > > or
                        > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                        > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                        > > > > newsgroups
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                        > > > > like
                        > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                        > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                        > > killed
                        > > > > him.
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                        > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                        > > > > > > acceptable.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                        > > > > > > offensive, in
                        > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                        > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                        > > again.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                        > > had
                        > > > > an
                        > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                        > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                        > > was
                        > > > > my
                        > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                        > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                        > > . I
                        > > > > made
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                        > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                        > > > > > > moderators, I
                        > > > > > > > > suppose?
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                        > > do
                        > > > > > > pretty
                        > > > > > > > > darn well in
                        > > > > > > > > > life...
                        > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                        > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                        > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                        > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                        > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                        > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                        > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > others.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                        > > your
                        > > > > > > nooist
                        > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                        > > > > evidence
                        > > > > > > many
                        > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                        > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                        > > management!
                        > > > > > > That
                        > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                        > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                        > > pleased
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > chat >
                        > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                        > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                        > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                        > > to
                        > > > > be
                        > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                        > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                        > > pulled
                        > > > > out
                        > > > > > > of
                        > > > > > > > > the race and
                        > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                        > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                        > > > > > > personally
                        > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                        > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                        > > then
                        > > > > > > temporary
                        > > > > > > > > kick.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                        > > I
                        > > > > put
                        > > > > > > up
                        > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                        > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                        > > is
                        > > > > why
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                        > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                        > > > > nothing
                        > > > > > > on
                        > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                        > > that
                        > > > > is
                        > > > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                        > > gross
                        > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                        > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                        > > moderation
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                        > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                        > > out
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > and still you
                        > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                        > > lis
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                        > > are
                        > > > > > > over
                        > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                        > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                        > > on
                        > > > > > > topic!
                        > > > > > > > > You did not make
                        > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                        > > > > suggested
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > use of other
                        > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                        > > yours!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                        > > The
                        > > > > last
                        > > > > > > few
                        > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                        > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                        > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                        > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                        > > you
                        > > > > failed
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                        > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                        > > > > caused
                        > > > > > > by
                        > > > > > > > > your lack of
                        > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                        > > > > > > intervention.
                        > > > > > > > > No contigency
                        > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                        > > > > after a
                        > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                        > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                        > > > > inaction...
                        > > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                        > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                        > > > > ONLY
                        > > > > > > person
                        > > > > > > > > who was willing
                        > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                        > > back to
                        > > > > its
                        > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                        > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                        > > > > ignorant
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                        > > rude
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                        > > > > > > mailbox --
                        > > > > > > > > which ...
                        > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                        > > you
                        > > > > even
                        > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                        > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                        > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                        > > > > > > word
                        > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                        > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                        > > incompetence
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                        > > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list without
                        > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                        > > both
                        > > > > inept,
                        > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                        > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                        > > in
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > > heat
                        > > > > > > > > of anger and
                        > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                        > > > > mismanagement
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                        > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > list
                        > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                        > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                        > > > > great
                        > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                        > > my
                        > > > > new
                        > > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                        > > ...
                        > > > > as
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                        > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                        > > done
                        > > > > > > elsewhere
                        > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                        > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                        > > > > achievments
                        > > > > > > ...
                        > > > > > > > > much larger than
                        > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                        > > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                        > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                        > > Stay on
                        > > > > > > topic
                        > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                        > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                        > > great
                        > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                        > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                        > > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                        > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                        > > > > supposed
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                        > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                        > > booted
                        > > > > me.
                        > > > > > > It's
                        > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                        > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                        > > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                        > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                        > > arse
                        > > > > where
                        > > > > > > your
                        > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                        > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                        > > > > > > > > >
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                      • Lorna Landry
                        AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I M WRONG. LORNA Sue
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                          AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

                          LORNA




                          Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                          Sue McPherson

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                          >
                          > Take you own advice.
                          >
                          > Lorna
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                          to get along!
                          > There's no need for such impertinence.
                          >
                          > Sue McPherson
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          >
                          >
                          > > what's one??
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                          > > >
                          > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Sue,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                          > > > >
                          > > > > eduard
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                          > > to
                          > > > > this now, to the
                          > > > > > list.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Sue,
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                          > > trying
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > eduard
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                          > > <sue@...>
                          > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                          > > for
                          > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                          > > to
                          > > > > have
                          > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                          > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                          > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Chris,
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                          > > I
                          > > > > mean,
                          > > > > > > he
                          > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                          > > > > > > moderates a
                          > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                          > > 600
                          > > > > > > members!!
                          > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                          > > so.
                          > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                          > > your
                          > > > > > > list.
                          > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                          > > messages
                          > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                          > > > > refused
                          > > > > > > to do
                          > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > every
                          > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                          > > cant
                          > > > > > > have it
                          > > > > > > > > both ways.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                          > > exposes
                          > > > > you to
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > public.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                          > > the
                          > > > > posts
                          > > > > > > [I
                          > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                          > > has
                          > > > > > > only
                          > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                          > > of
                          > > > > input.
                          > > > > > > Of
                          > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                          > > > > interested
                          > > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                          > > > > task to
                          > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                          > > credentials
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > wrap
                          > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                          > > superiority.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > eduard
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                          > > <existlist1@...>
                          > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                          > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                          > > > > > > co-moderators
                          > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                          > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                          > > on
                          > > > > for
                          > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                          > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                          > > Diana A
                          > > > > > > were
                          > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                          > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                          > > > > > > contributor
                          > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                          > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                          > > > > work, I
                          > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                          > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                          > > being
                          > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                          > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                          > > > > > > community
                          > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                          > > > > cannot be
                          > > > > > > one
                          > > > > > > > > dictator in
                          > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                          > > or
                          > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                          > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                          > > > > newsgroups
                          > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                          > > > > like
                          > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                          > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                          > > killed
                          > > > > him.
                          > > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                          > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                          > > > > > > acceptable.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                          > > > > > > offensive, in
                          > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                          > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                          > > again.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                          > > had
                          > > > > an
                          > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                          > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                          > > was
                          > > > > my
                          > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                          > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                          > > . I
                          > > > > made
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                          > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                          > > > > > > moderators, I
                          > > > > > > > > suppose?
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                          > > do
                          > > > > > > pretty
                          > > > > > > > > darn well in
                          > > > > > > > > > life...
                          > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                          > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                          > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                          > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                          > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                          > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                          > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > others.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                          > > your
                          > > > > > > nooist
                          > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                          > > > > evidence
                          > > > > > > many
                          > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                          > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                          > > management!
                          > > > > > > That
                          > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                          > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                          > > pleased
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > chat >
                          > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                          > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                          > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                          > > to
                          > > > > be
                          > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                          > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                          > > pulled
                          > > > > out
                          > > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > > the race and
                          > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                          > > the
                          > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                          > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                          > > > > > > personally
                          > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                          > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                          > > then
                          > > > > > > temporary
                          > > > > > > > > kick.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                          > > I
                          > > > > put
                          > > > > > > up
                          > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                          > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                          > > is
                          > > > > why
                          > > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                          > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                          > > > > nothing
                          > > > > > > on
                          > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                          > > that
                          > > > > is
                          > > > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                          > > gross
                          > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                          > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                          > > moderation
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                          > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                          > > out
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > and still you
                          > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                          > > lis
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                          > > are
                          > > > > > > over
                          > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                          > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                          > > on
                          > > > > > > topic!
                          > > > > > > > > You did not make
                          > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                          > > > > suggested
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > use of other
                          > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                          > > yours!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                          > > The
                          > > > > last
                          > > > > > > few
                          > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                          > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                          > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                          > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                          > > you
                          > > > > failed
                          > > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                          > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                          > > > > caused
                          > > > > > > by
                          > > > > > > > > your lack of
                          > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                          > > > > > > intervention.
                          > > > > > > > > No contigency
                          > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                          > > > > after a
                          > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                          > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                          > > > > inaction...
                          > > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                          > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                          > > > > ONLY
                          > > > > > > person
                          > > > > > > > > who was willing
                          > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                          > > back to
                          > > > > its
                          > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                          > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                          > > > > ignorant
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                          > > rude
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                          > > > > > > mailbox --
                          > > > > > > > > which ...
                          > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                          > > you
                          > > > > even
                          > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                          > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                          > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                          > > > > > > word
                          > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                          > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                          > > incompetence
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                          > > > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list without
                          > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                          > > both
                          > > > > inept,
                          > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                          > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                          > > in
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > > heat
                          > > > > > > > > of anger and
                          > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                          > > > > mismanagement
                          > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                          > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > list
                          > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                          > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                          > > > > great
                          > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                          > > my
                          > > > > new
                          > > > > > > list.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                          > > ...
                          > > > > as
                          > > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                          > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                          > > done
                          > > > > > > elsewhere
                          > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                          > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                          > > > > achievments
                          > > > > > > ...
                          > > > > > > > > much larger than
                          > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                          > > nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                          > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                          > > Stay on
                          > > > > > > topic
                          > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                          > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                          > > great
                          > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                          > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                          > > nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                          > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                          > > > > supposed
                          > > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                          > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                          > > booted
                          > > > > me.
                          > > > > > > It's
                          > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                          > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                          > > > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                          > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                          > > arse
                          > > > > where
                          > > > > > > your
                          > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                          > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Mark
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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