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  • yeoman
    Sue, I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn t trying to make a big deal of it. eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To:
    Message 1 of 23 , Apr 1 6:39 AM
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      Sue,

      I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
      make a big deal of it.

      eduard

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


      > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
      being so disruptive.
      >
      > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
      A VERY POOR
      > GRASP ON REALITY
      >
      > Sue McPherson
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      >
      >
      > > Chris,
      > >
      > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
      he
      > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
      moderates a
      > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
      members!!
      > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
      > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
      > >
      > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
      list.
      > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
      > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
      to do
      > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
      every
      > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
      have it
      > > both ways.
      > >
      > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
      the
      > > public.
      > >
      > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
      [I
      > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
      only
      > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
      Of
      > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
      in
      > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
      > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
      wrap
      > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
      > >
      > > eduard
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
      > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
      > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      > >
      > >
      > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
      co-moderators
      > > immediately, two
      > > > years ago.
      > > >
      > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
      > > academic reasons.
      > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
      were
      > > quite helpful during
      > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
      contributor
      > > and I miss his
      > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
      > > believe, and Yulian
      > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
      > > >
      > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
      > > unavailable to manage the
      > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
      community
      > > dynamics.
      > > >
      > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
      one
      > > dictator in
      > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
      > > country. This forum is
      > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
      and
      > > mailing lists.
      > > >
      > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
      > > Stalin. Get real...
      > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
      I
      > > merely sought to
      > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
      acceptable.
      > > >
      > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
      offensive, in
      > > my opinion. I'm
      > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
      > > >
      > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
      > > accident years ago and
      > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
      > > fault; I chose to race
      > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
      the
      > > decisions leading
      > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
      moderators, I
      > > suppose?
      > > >
      > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
      pretty
      > > darn well in
      > > > life...
      > > > - C. S. Wyatt
      > > > http://www.tameri.com
      > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
      > > [mailto:tindall@...]
      > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
      > > > To: Exist List Moderator
      > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
      MODERATOR
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Thank you for your reply.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
      others.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
      nooist
      > > / Existentialist
      > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
      many
      > > times about Eduard
      > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
      That
      > > is irresponsible
      > > > management and incompetence.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
      chat >
      > > on other topics.
      > > > I think you will find they are more
      > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
      > > secondary Moderator. I
      > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
      of
      > > the race and
      > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
      > > position. I notice you
      > > > did not appoint Eduard!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
      personally
      > > > and his silly
      > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
      temporary
      > > kick.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
      up
      > > with his repeated
      > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
      I
      > > repeatedly
      > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
      on
      > > his nooist /
      > > > Existentialist list!!!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
      a
      > > > > sign of mismanagement.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
      > > mismanagement. Your
      > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
      > > no-one was there to
      > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
      you
      > > and still you
      > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
      over
      > > 300 members but only
      > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
      topic!
      > > You did not make
      > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
      the
      > > use of other
      > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
      few
      > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
      > > list! ABSOLUTELY
      > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
      > > positivist science. I
      > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
      to
      > > act appropriately!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Incapable of running a list?
      > > >
      > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
      > > Existentialist list as was
      > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
      by
      > > your lack of
      > > > management skills and your lack of timely
      intervention.
      > > No contigency
      > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
      > > flood of complaints
      > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
      you
      > > gave me a booting
      > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
      person
      > > who was willing
      > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
      > > aims ... ME! Read
      > > > the posts!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
      > > >
      > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
      > > ingorant. I quote:
      > > >
      > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
      mailbox --
      > > which ...
      > > > really ----ed me off big time."
      > > >
      > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
      > > bother to read my
      > > > posts and complaints????
      > > >
      > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
      word
      > > 'pissed'??) You
      > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
      > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      > > >
      > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
      Existentialist
      > > list without
      > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
      > > lacking insight and
      > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
      heat
      > > of anger and
      > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
      and
      > > incompetence.
      > > >
      > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
      list
      > > better ... if it
      > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
      > > >
      > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
      > > >
      > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
      > > ignorance on his part."
      > > >
      > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
      list.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
      > > >
      > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
      I
      > > repeatedly pointed
      > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
      elsewhere
      > > or in the past.
      > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
      ...
      > > much larger than
      > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
      > > Existentialist list and
      > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
      topic
      > > ... unlike your
      > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
      > > >
      > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
      > > are!!! (Read your
      > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
      > > Existentialist list
      > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
      > > >
      > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
      > > >
      > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
      > > >
      > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
      > > >
      > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
      > > >
      > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
      > > >
      > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
      > > >
      > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
      to
      > > be. I piss on
      > > > every one of them!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > I hope you decide to remain
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
      It's
      > > rude and shows
      > > > your incompetence.
      > > >
      > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
      Existentialist
      > > list you can shove
      > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
      your
      > > head is!!!!! You
      > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
      > > >
      > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Mark
      > > >
      > > >
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    • Sue McPherson
      If you really were sorry, you wouldn t be responding to this now, to the list. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 1 8:49 AM
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        If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to this now, to the
        list.

        Sue McPherson


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


        > Sue,
        >
        > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
        > make a big deal of it.
        >
        > eduard
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        >
        >
        > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
        > being so disruptive.
        > >
        > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
        > A VERY POOR
        > > GRASP ON REALITY
        > >
        > > Sue McPherson
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > >
        > >
        > > > Chris,
        > > >
        > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
        > he
        > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
        > moderates a
        > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
        > members!!
        > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
        > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
        > > >
        > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
        > list.
        > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
        > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
        > to do
        > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
        > every
        > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
        > have it
        > > > both ways.
        > > >
        > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
        > the
        > > > public.
        > > >
        > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
        > [I
        > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
        > only
        > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
        > Of
        > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
        > in
        > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
        > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
        > wrap
        > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
        > > >
        > > > eduard
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
        > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
        > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
        > co-moderators
        > > > immediately, two
        > > > > years ago.
        > > > >
        > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
        > > > academic reasons.
        > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
        > were
        > > > quite helpful during
        > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
        > contributor
        > > > and I miss his
        > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
        > > > believe, and Yulian
        > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
        > > > >
        > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
        > > > unavailable to manage the
        > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
        > community
        > > > dynamics.
        > > > >
        > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
        > one
        > > > dictator in
        > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
        > > > country. This forum is
        > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
        > and
        > > > mailing lists.
        > > > >
        > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
        > > > Stalin. Get real...
        > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
        > I
        > > > merely sought to
        > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
        > acceptable.
        > > > >
        > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
        > offensive, in
        > > > my opinion. I'm
        > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
        > > > >
        > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
        > > > accident years ago and
        > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
        > > > fault; I chose to race
        > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
        > the
        > > > decisions leading
        > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
        > moderators, I
        > > > suppose?
        > > > >
        > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
        > pretty
        > > > darn well in
        > > > > life...
        > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
        > > > > http://www.tameri.com
        > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
        > > > >
        > > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
        > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
        > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
        > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        > MODERATOR
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Thank you for your reply.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
        > others.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
        > nooist
        > > > / Existentialist
        > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
        > many
        > > > times about Eduard
        > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
        > That
        > > > is irresponsible
        > > > > management and incompetence.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
        > chat >
        > > > on other topics.
        > > > > I think you will find they are more
        > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
        > > > secondary Moderator. I
        > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
        > of
        > > > the race and
        > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
        > > > position. I notice you
        > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
        > personally
        > > > > and his silly
        > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
        > temporary
        > > > kick.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
        > up
        > > > with his repeated
        > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
        > I
        > > > repeatedly
        > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
        > on
        > > > his nooist /
        > > > > Existentialist list!!!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
        > a
        > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
        > > > mismanagement. Your
        > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
        > > > no-one was there to
        > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
        > you
        > > > and still you
        > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
        > over
        > > > 300 members but only
        > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
        > topic!
        > > > You did not make
        > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
        > the
        > > > use of other
        > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
        > few
        > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
        > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
        > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
        > > > positivist science. I
        > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
        > to
        > > > act appropriately!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
        > > > >
        > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
        > > > Existentialist list as was
        > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
        > by
        > > > your lack of
        > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
        > intervention.
        > > > No contigency
        > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
        > > > flood of complaints
        > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
        > you
        > > > gave me a booting
        > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
        > person
        > > > who was willing
        > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
        > > > aims ... ME! Read
        > > > > the posts!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
        > > > >
        > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
        > > > ingorant. I quote:
        > > > >
        > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
        > mailbox --
        > > > which ...
        > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
        > > > >
        > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
        > > > bother to read my
        > > > > posts and complaints????
        > > > >
        > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
        > word
        > > > 'pissed'??) You
        > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
        > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        > > > >
        > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
        > Existentialist
        > > > list without
        > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
        > > > lacking insight and
        > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
        > heat
        > > > of anger and
        > > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
        > and
        > > > incompetence.
        > > > >
        > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
        > list
        > > > better ... if it
        > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
        > > > >
        > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
        > > > >
        > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
        > > > ignorance on his part."
        > > > >
        > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
        > list.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
        > > > >
        > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
        > I
        > > > repeatedly pointed
        > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
        > elsewhere
        > > > or in the past.
        > > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
        > ...
        > > > much larger than
        > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
        > > > Existentialist list and
        > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
        > topic
        > > > ... unlike your
        > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
        > > > >
        > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
        > > > are!!! (Read your
        > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
        > > > Existentialist list
        > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
        > > > >
        > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
        > > > >
        > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
        > > > >
        > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
        > > > >
        > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
        > > > >
        > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
        > > > >
        > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
        > > > >
        > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
        > to
        > > > be. I piss on
        > > > > every one of them!
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
        > It's
        > > > rude and shows
        > > > > your incompetence.
        > > > >
        > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
        > Existentialist
        > > > list you can shove
        > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
        > your
        > > > head is!!!!! You
        > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
        > > > >
        > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Mark
        > > > >
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        Sue, Thankyou for your perceptive note... eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday,
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          Sue,

          Thankyou for your perceptive note...

          eduard

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


          > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
          this now, to the
          > list.
          >
          > Sue McPherson
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          >
          >
          > > Sue,
          > >
          > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
          to
          > > make a big deal of it.
          > >
          > > eduard
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > >
          > >
          > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
          > > being so disruptive.
          > > >
          > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
          have
          > > A VERY POOR
          > > > GRASP ON REALITY
          > > >
          > > > Sue McPherson
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          MODERATOR
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Chris,
          > > > >
          > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
          mean,
          > > he
          > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
          > > moderates a
          > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
          > > members!!
          > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
          > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
          > > > >
          > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
          > > list.
          > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
          > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
          refused
          > > to do
          > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
          > > every
          > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
          > > have it
          > > > > both ways.
          > > > >
          > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
          you to
          > > the
          > > > > public.
          > > > >
          > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
          posts
          > > [I
          > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
          > > only
          > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
          input.
          > > Of
          > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
          interested
          > > in
          > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
          task to
          > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
          to
          > > wrap
          > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
          > > > >
          > > > > eduard
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
          > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
          > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          MODERATOR
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
          > > co-moderators
          > > > > immediately, two
          > > > > > years ago.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
          for
          > > > > academic reasons.
          > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
          > > were
          > > > > quite helpful during
          > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
          > > contributor
          > > > > and I miss his
          > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
          work, I
          > > > > believe, and Yulian
          > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
          > > > > unavailable to manage the
          > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
          > > community
          > > > > dynamics.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
          cannot be
          > > one
          > > > > dictator in
          > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
          a
          > > > > country. This forum is
          > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
          newsgroups
          > > and
          > > > > mailing lists.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
          like
          > > > > Stalin. Get real...
          > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
          him.
          > > I
          > > > > merely sought to
          > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
          > > acceptable.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
          > > offensive, in
          > > > > my opinion. I'm
          > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
          an
          > > > > accident years ago and
          > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
          my
          > > > > fault; I chose to race
          > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
          made
          > > the
          > > > > decisions leading
          > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
          > > moderators, I
          > > > > suppose?
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
          > > pretty
          > > > > darn well in
          > > > > > life...
          > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
          > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
          > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
          > > > > >
          > > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
          > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
          > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
          > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > > MODERATOR
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
          > > others.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
          > > nooist
          > > > > / Existentialist
          > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
          evidence
          > > many
          > > > > times about Eduard
          > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
          > > That
          > > > > is irresponsible
          > > > > > management and incompetence.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
          to
          > > chat >
          > > > > on other topics.
          > > > > > I think you will find they are more
          > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
          be
          > > > > secondary Moderator. I
          > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
          out
          > > of
          > > > > the race and
          > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
          > > > > position. I notice you
          > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
          > > personally
          > > > > > and his silly
          > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
          > > temporary
          > > > > kick.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
          put
          > > up
          > > > > with his repeated
          > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
          why
          > > I
          > > > > repeatedly
          > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
          nothing
          > > on
          > > > > his nooist /
          > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
          is
          > > a
          > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
          > > > > mismanagement. Your
          > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
          and
          > > > > no-one was there to
          > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
          to
          > > you
          > > > > and still you
          > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
          > > over
          > > > > 300 members but only
          > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
          > > topic!
          > > > > You did not make
          > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
          suggested
          > > the
          > > > > use of other
          > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
          last
          > > few
          > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
          Existentialist
          > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
          > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
          > > > > positivist science. I
          > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
          failed
          > > to
          > > > > act appropriately!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
          > > > > >
          > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
          > > > > Existentialist list as was
          > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
          caused
          > > by
          > > > > your lack of
          > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
          > > intervention.
          > > > > No contigency
          > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
          after a
          > > > > flood of complaints
          > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
          inaction...
          > > you
          > > > > gave me a booting
          > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
          ONLY
          > > person
          > > > > who was willing
          > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
          its
          > > > > aims ... ME! Read
          > > > > > the posts!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
          ignorant
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
          and
          > > > > ingorant. I quote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
          > > mailbox --
          > > > > which ...
          > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
          even
          > > > > bother to read my
          > > > > > posts and complaints????
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
          Anglo-Saxon
          > > word
          > > > > 'pissed'??) You
          > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
          and
          > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
          > > Existentialist
          > > > > list without
          > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
          inept,
          > > > > lacking insight and
          > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
          the
          > > heat
          > > > > of anger and
          > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
          mismanagement
          > > and
          > > > > incompetence.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
          Existentialist
          > > list
          > > > > better ... if it
          > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
          > > > > >
          > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
          great
          > > > > ignorance on his part."
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
          new
          > > list.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
          as
          > > I
          > > > > repeatedly pointed
          > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
          > > elsewhere
          > > > > or in the past.
          > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
          achievments
          > > ...
          > > > > much larger than
          > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
          > > > > Existentialist list and
          > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
          > > topic
          > > > > ... unlike your
          > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
          > > > > >
          > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
          you
          > > > > are!!! (Read your
          > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
          > > > > Existentialist list
          > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
          supposed
          > > to
          > > > > be. I piss on
          > > > > > every one of them!
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
          me.
          > > It's
          > > > > rude and shows
          > > > > > your incompetence.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
          > > Existentialist
          > > > > list you can shove
          > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
          where
          > > your
          > > > > head is!!!!! You
          > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Mark
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
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        • Sue McPherson
          Wrong answer, eduard. That s one. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
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            Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.

            Sue McPherson

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


            > Sue,
            >
            > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
            >
            > eduard
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            >
            >
            > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
            > this now, to the
            > > list.
            > >
            > > Sue McPherson
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > >
            > >
            > > > Sue,
            > > >
            > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
            > to
            > > > make a big deal of it.
            > > >
            > > > eduard
            > > >
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
            > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
            > > > being so disruptive.
            > > > >
            > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
            > have
            > > > A VERY POOR
            > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
            > > > >
            > > > > Sue McPherson
            > > > >
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > MODERATOR
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > Chris,
            > > > > >
            > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
            > mean,
            > > > he
            > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
            > > > moderates a
            > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
            > > > members!!
            > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
            > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
            > > > list.
            > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
            > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
            > refused
            > > > to do
            > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
            > > > every
            > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
            > > > have it
            > > > > > both ways.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
            > you to
            > > > the
            > > > > > public.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
            > posts
            > > > [I
            > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
            > > > only
            > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
            > input.
            > > > Of
            > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
            > interested
            > > > in
            > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
            > task to
            > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
            > to
            > > > wrap
            > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > eduard
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
            > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
            > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > MODERATOR
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
            > > > co-moderators
            > > > > > immediately, two
            > > > > > > years ago.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
            > for
            > > > > > academic reasons.
            > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
            > > > were
            > > > > > quite helpful during
            > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
            > > > contributor
            > > > > > and I miss his
            > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
            > work, I
            > > > > > believe, and Yulian
            > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
            > > > > > unavailable to manage the
            > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
            > > > community
            > > > > > dynamics.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
            > cannot be
            > > > one
            > > > > > dictator in
            > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
            > a
            > > > > > country. This forum is
            > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
            > newsgroups
            > > > and
            > > > > > mailing lists.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
            > like
            > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
            > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
            > him.
            > > > I
            > > > > > merely sought to
            > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
            > > > acceptable.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
            > > > offensive, in
            > > > > > my opinion. I'm
            > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
            > an
            > > > > > accident years ago and
            > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
            > my
            > > > > > fault; I chose to race
            > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
            > made
            > > > the
            > > > > > decisions leading
            > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
            > > > moderators, I
            > > > > > suppose?
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
            > > > pretty
            > > > > > darn well in
            > > > > > > life...
            > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
            > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
            > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
            > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
            > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
            > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > > > MODERATOR
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
            > > > others.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
            > > > nooist
            > > > > > / Existentialist
            > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
            > evidence
            > > > many
            > > > > > times about Eduard
            > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
            > > > That
            > > > > > is irresponsible
            > > > > > > management and incompetence.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
            > to
            > > > chat >
            > > > > > on other topics.
            > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
            > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
            > be
            > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
            > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
            > out
            > > > of
            > > > > > the race and
            > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
            > > > > > position. I notice you
            > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
            > > > personally
            > > > > > > and his silly
            > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
            > > > temporary
            > > > > > kick.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
            > put
            > > > up
            > > > > > with his repeated
            > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
            > why
            > > > I
            > > > > > repeatedly
            > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
            > nothing
            > > > on
            > > > > > his nooist /
            > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
            > is
            > > > a
            > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
            > > > > > mismanagement. Your
            > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
            > and
            > > > > > no-one was there to
            > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
            > to
            > > > you
            > > > > > and still you
            > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
            > > > over
            > > > > > 300 members but only
            > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
            > > > topic!
            > > > > > You did not make
            > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
            > suggested
            > > > the
            > > > > > use of other
            > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
            > last
            > > > few
            > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
            > Existentialist
            > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
            > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
            > > > > > positivist science. I
            > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
            > failed
            > > > to
            > > > > > act appropriately!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
            > > > > > Existentialist list as was
            > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
            > caused
            > > > by
            > > > > > your lack of
            > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
            > > > intervention.
            > > > > > No contigency
            > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
            > after a
            > > > > > flood of complaints
            > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
            > inaction...
            > > > you
            > > > > > gave me a booting
            > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
            > ONLY
            > > > person
            > > > > > who was willing
            > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
            > its
            > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
            > > > > > > the posts!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
            > ignorant
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
            > and
            > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
            > > > mailbox --
            > > > > > which ...
            > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
            > even
            > > > > > bother to read my
            > > > > > > posts and complaints????
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
            > Anglo-Saxon
            > > > word
            > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
            > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
            > and
            > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
            > > > Existentialist
            > > > > > list without
            > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
            > inept,
            > > > > > lacking insight and
            > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
            > the
            > > > heat
            > > > > > of anger and
            > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
            > mismanagement
            > > > and
            > > > > > incompetence.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
            > Existentialist
            > > > list
            > > > > > better ... if it
            > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
            > great
            > > > > > ignorance on his part."
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
            > new
            > > > list.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
            > as
            > > > I
            > > > > > repeatedly pointed
            > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
            > > > elsewhere
            > > > > > or in the past.
            > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
            > achievments
            > > > ...
            > > > > > much larger than
            > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
            > > > > > Existentialist list and
            > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
            > > > topic
            > > > > > ... unlike your
            > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
            > you
            > > > > > are!!! (Read your
            > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
            > > > > > Existentialist list
            > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
            > supposed
            > > > to
            > > > > > be. I piss on
            > > > > > > every one of them!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
            > me.
            > > > It's
            > > > > > rude and shows
            > > > > > > your incompetence.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
            > > > Existentialist
            > > > > > list you can shove
            > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
            > where
            > > > your
            > > > > > head is!!!!! You
            > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Mark
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
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          • yeoman
            what s one?? ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re:
            Message 5 of 23 , Apr 1 2:48 PM
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              what's one??

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


              > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
              >
              > Sue McPherson
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              >
              >
              > > Sue,
              > >
              > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
              > >
              > > eduard
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
              > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              > >
              > >
              > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
              to
              > > this now, to the
              > > > list.
              > > >
              > > > Sue McPherson
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
              > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              MODERATOR
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > > Sue,
              > > > >
              > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
              trying
              > > to
              > > > > make a big deal of it.
              > > > >
              > > > > eduard
              > > > >
              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
              <sue@...>
              > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
              > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              MODERATOR
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
              for
              > > > > being so disruptive.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
              to
              > > have
              > > > > A VERY POOR
              > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Sue McPherson
              > > > > >
              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
              > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > > MODERATOR
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > Chris,
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
              I
              > > mean,
              > > > > he
              > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
              > > > > moderates a
              > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
              600
              > > > > members!!
              > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
              so.
              > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
              your
              > > > > list.
              > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
              messages
              > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
              > > refused
              > > > > to do
              > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
              and
              > > > > every
              > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
              cant
              > > > > have it
              > > > > > > both ways.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
              exposes
              > > you to
              > > > > the
              > > > > > > public.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
              the
              > > posts
              > > > > [I
              > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
              has
              > > > > only
              > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
              of
              > > input.
              > > > > Of
              > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
              > > interested
              > > > > in
              > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
              > > task to
              > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
              credentials
              > > to
              > > > > wrap
              > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
              superiority.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > eduard
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
              <existlist1@...>
              > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
              > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > > MODERATOR
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
              > > > > co-moderators
              > > > > > > immediately, two
              > > > > > > > years ago.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
              on
              > > for
              > > > > > > academic reasons.
              > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
              Diana A
              > > > > were
              > > > > > > quite helpful during
              > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
              > > > > contributor
              > > > > > > and I miss his
              > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
              > > work, I
              > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
              > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
              being
              > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
              > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
              > > > > community
              > > > > > > dynamics.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
              > > cannot be
              > > > > one
              > > > > > > dictator in
              > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
              or
              > > a
              > > > > > > country. This forum is
              > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
              > > newsgroups
              > > > > and
              > > > > > > mailing lists.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
              > > like
              > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
              > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
              killed
              > > him.
              > > > > I
              > > > > > > merely sought to
              > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
              > > > > acceptable.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
              > > > > offensive, in
              > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
              > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
              again.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
              had
              > > an
              > > > > > > accident years ago and
              > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
              was
              > > my
              > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
              > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
              . I
              > > made
              > > > > the
              > > > > > > decisions leading
              > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
              > > > > moderators, I
              > > > > > > suppose?
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
              do
              > > > > pretty
              > > > > > > darn well in
              > > > > > > > life...
              > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
              > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
              > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
              > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
              > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
              > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
              > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
              > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > > > > MODERATOR
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
              and
              > > > > others.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
              your
              > > > > nooist
              > > > > > > / Existentialist
              > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
              > > evidence
              > > > > many
              > > > > > > times about Eduard
              > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
              management!
              > > > > That
              > > > > > > is irresponsible
              > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
              pleased
              > > to
              > > > > chat >
              > > > > > > on other topics.
              > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
              > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
              to
              > > be
              > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
              > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
              pulled
              > > out
              > > > > of
              > > > > > > the race and
              > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
              the
              > > > > > > position. I notice you
              > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
              > > > > personally
              > > > > > > > and his silly
              > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
              then
              > > > > temporary
              > > > > > > kick.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
              I
              > > put
              > > > > up
              > > > > > > with his repeated
              > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
              is
              > > why
              > > > > I
              > > > > > > repeatedly
              > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
              > > nothing
              > > > > on
              > > > > > > his nooist /
              > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
              that
              > > is
              > > > > a
              > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
              gross
              > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
              > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
              moderation
              > > and
              > > > > > > no-one was there to
              > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
              out
              > > to
              > > > > you
              > > > > > > and still you
              > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
              lis
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
              are
              > > > > over
              > > > > > > 300 members but only
              > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
              on
              > > > > topic!
              > > > > > > You did not make
              > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
              > > suggested
              > > > > the
              > > > > > > use of other
              > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
              yours!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
              The
              > > last
              > > > > few
              > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
              > > Existentialist
              > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
              > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
              and
              > > > > > > positivist science. I
              > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
              you
              > > failed
              > > > > to
              > > > > > > act appropriately!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
              > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
              > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
              > > caused
              > > > > by
              > > > > > > your lack of
              > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
              > > > > intervention.
              > > > > > > No contigency
              > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
              > > after a
              > > > > > > flood of complaints
              > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
              > > inaction...
              > > > > you
              > > > > > > gave me a booting
              > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
              > > ONLY
              > > > > person
              > > > > > > who was willing
              > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
              back to
              > > its
              > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
              > > > > > > > the posts!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
              > > ignorant
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
              rude
              > > and
              > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
              > > > > mailbox --
              > > > > > > which ...
              > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
              you
              > > even
              > > > > > > bother to read my
              > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
              > > Anglo-Saxon
              > > > > word
              > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
              > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
              incompetence
              > > and
              > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
              > > > > Existentialist
              > > > > > > list without
              > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
              both
              > > inept,
              > > > > > > lacking insight and
              > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
              in
              > > the
              > > > > heat
              > > > > > > of anger and
              > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
              > > mismanagement
              > > > > and
              > > > > > > incompetence.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
              > > Existentialist
              > > > > list
              > > > > > > better ... if it
              > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
              > > great
              > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
              my
              > > new
              > > > > list.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
              ...
              > > as
              > > > > I
              > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
              > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
              done
              > > > > elsewhere
              > > > > > > or in the past.
              > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
              > > achievments
              > > > > ...
              > > > > > > much larger than
              > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
              nooist /
              > > > > > > Existentialist list and
              > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
              Stay on
              > > > > topic
              > > > > > > ... unlike your
              > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
              great
              > > you
              > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
              > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
              nooist /
              > > > > > > Existentialist list
              > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
              > > supposed
              > > > > to
              > > > > > > be. I piss on
              > > > > > > > every one of them!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
              booted
              > > me.
              > > > > It's
              > > > > > > rude and shows
              > > > > > > > your incompetence.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
              > > > > Existentialist
              > > > > > > list you can shove
              > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
              arse
              > > where
              > > > > your
              > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
              > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Mark
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
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            • Sue McPherson
              Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
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                Try a little harder to get along!
                There's no need for such impertinence.

                Sue McPherson

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                > what's one??
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                >
                >
                > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                > >
                > > Sue McPherson
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > >
                > >
                > > > Sue,
                > > >
                > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                > > >
                > > > eduard
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                > to
                > > > this now, to the
                > > > > list.
                > > > >
                > > > > Sue McPherson
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > MODERATOR
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > Sue,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                > trying
                > > > to
                > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > eduard
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                > <sue@...>
                > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > MODERATOR
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                > for
                > > > > > being so disruptive.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                > to
                > > > have
                > > > > > A VERY POOR
                > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Chris,
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                > I
                > > > mean,
                > > > > > he
                > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                > > > > > moderates a
                > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                > 600
                > > > > > members!!
                > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                > so.
                > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                > your
                > > > > > list.
                > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                > messages
                > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                > > > refused
                > > > > > to do
                > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                > and
                > > > > > every
                > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                > cant
                > > > > > have it
                > > > > > > > both ways.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                > exposes
                > > > you to
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > public.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                > the
                > > > posts
                > > > > > [I
                > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                > has
                > > > > > only
                > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                > of
                > > > input.
                > > > > > Of
                > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                > > > interested
                > > > > > in
                > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                > > > task to
                > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                > credentials
                > > > to
                > > > > > wrap
                > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                > superiority.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > eduard
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                > <existlist1@...>
                > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                > > > > > co-moderators
                > > > > > > > immediately, two
                > > > > > > > > years ago.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                > on
                > > > for
                > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                > Diana A
                > > > > > were
                > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                > > > > > contributor
                > > > > > > > and I miss his
                > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                > > > work, I
                > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                > being
                > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                > > > > > community
                > > > > > > > dynamics.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                > > > cannot be
                > > > > > one
                > > > > > > > dictator in
                > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                > or
                > > > a
                > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                > > > newsgroups
                > > > > > and
                > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                > > > like
                > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                > killed
                > > > him.
                > > > > > I
                > > > > > > > merely sought to
                > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                > > > > > acceptable.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                > > > > > offensive, in
                > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                > again.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                > had
                > > > an
                > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                > was
                > > > my
                > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                > . I
                > > > made
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > decisions leading
                > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                > > > > > moderators, I
                > > > > > > > suppose?
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                > do
                > > > > > pretty
                > > > > > > > darn well in
                > > > > > > > > life...
                > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                > and
                > > > > > others.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                > your
                > > > > > nooist
                > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                > > > evidence
                > > > > > many
                > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                > management!
                > > > > > That
                > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                > pleased
                > > > to
                > > > > > chat >
                > > > > > > > on other topics.
                > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                > to
                > > > be
                > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                > pulled
                > > > out
                > > > > > of
                > > > > > > > the race and
                > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                > the
                > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                > > > > > personally
                > > > > > > > > and his silly
                > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                > then
                > > > > > temporary
                > > > > > > > kick.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                > I
                > > > put
                > > > > > up
                > > > > > > > with his repeated
                > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                > is
                > > > why
                > > > > > I
                > > > > > > > repeatedly
                > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                > > > nothing
                > > > > > on
                > > > > > > > his nooist /
                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                > that
                > > > is
                > > > > > a
                > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                > gross
                > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                > moderation
                > > > and
                > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                > out
                > > > to
                > > > > > you
                > > > > > > > and still you
                > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                > lis
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                > are
                > > > > > over
                > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                > on
                > > > > > topic!
                > > > > > > > You did not make
                > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                > > > suggested
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > use of other
                > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                > yours!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                > The
                > > > last
                > > > > > few
                > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                > and
                > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                > you
                > > > failed
                > > > > > to
                > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                > > > caused
                > > > > > by
                > > > > > > > your lack of
                > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                > > > > > intervention.
                > > > > > > > No contigency
                > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                > > > after a
                > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                > > > inaction...
                > > > > > you
                > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                > > > ONLY
                > > > > > person
                > > > > > > > who was willing
                > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                > back to
                > > > its
                > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                > > > > > > > > the posts!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                > > > ignorant
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                > rude
                > > > and
                > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                > > > > > mailbox --
                > > > > > > > which ...
                > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                > you
                > > > even
                > > > > > > > bother to read my
                > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                > > > Anglo-Saxon
                > > > > > word
                > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                > incompetence
                > > > and
                > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                > > > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list without
                > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                > both
                > > > inept,
                > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                > in
                > > > the
                > > > > > heat
                > > > > > > > of anger and
                > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                > > > mismanagement
                > > > > > and
                > > > > > > > incompetence.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > list
                > > > > > > > better ... if it
                > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                > > > great
                > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                > my
                > > > new
                > > > > > list.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                > ...
                > > > as
                > > > > > I
                > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                > done
                > > > > > elsewhere
                > > > > > > > or in the past.
                > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                > > > achievments
                > > > > > ...
                > > > > > > > much larger than
                > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                > nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                > Stay on
                > > > > > topic
                > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                > great
                > > > you
                > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                > nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                > > > supposed
                > > > > > to
                > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                > booted
                > > > me.
                > > > > > It's
                > > > > > > > rude and shows
                > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                > > > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list you can shove
                > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                > arse
                > > > where
                > > > > > your
                > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Mark
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
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              • Lorna Landry
                Eduard, Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris? Lorna yeoman wrote:Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
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                  Eduard,
                  Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris?
                  Lorna

                  yeoman <yeoman@...> wrote:Chris,

                  It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                  has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                  group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                  And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                  Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

                  And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                  Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                  challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                  so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                  other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                  both ways.

                  Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                  public.

                  Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                  don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                  complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                  course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                  learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                  learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                  the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

                  eduard


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                  To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                  Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                  > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                  immediately, two
                  > years ago.
                  >
                  > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                  academic reasons.
                  > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                  quite helpful during
                  > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                  and I miss his
                  > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                  believe, and Yulian
                  > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                  >
                  > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                  unavailable to manage the
                  > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                  dynamics.
                  >
                  > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                  dictator in
                  > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                  country. This forum is
                  > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                  mailing lists.
                  >
                  > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                  Stalin. Get real...
                  > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                  merely sought to
                  > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                  >
                  > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                  my opinion. I'm
                  > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                  >
                  > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                  accident years ago and
                  > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                  fault; I chose to race
                  > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                  decisions leading
                  > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                  suppose?
                  >
                  > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                  darn well in
                  > life...
                  > - C. S. Wyatt
                  > http://www.tameri.com
                  > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                  [mailto:tindall@...]
                  > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                  > To: Exist List Moderator
                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  >
                  >
                  > Thank you for your reply.
                  >
                  >
                  > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                  >
                  >
                  > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                  / Existentialist
                  > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                  times about Eduard
                  > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                  is irresponsible
                  > management and incompetence.
                  >
                  >
                  > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                  on other topics.
                  > I think you will find they are more
                  > > responsible than most others on the list.
                  >
                  >
                  > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                  secondary Moderator. I
                  > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                  the race and
                  > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                  position. I notice you
                  > did not appoint Eduard!
                  >
                  >
                  > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                  > and his silly
                  > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                  kick.
                  >
                  >
                  > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                  with his repeated
                  > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                  repeatedly
                  > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                  his nooist /
                  > Existentialist list!!!
                  >
                  >
                  > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                  > > sign of mismanagement.
                  >
                  >
                  > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                  mismanagement. Your
                  > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                  no-one was there to
                  > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                  and still you
                  > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                  >
                  >
                  > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                  >
                  >
                  > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                  300 members but only
                  > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                  You did not make
                  > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                  use of other
                  > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                  >
                  >
                  > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                  > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                  >
                  >
                  > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                  list! ABSOLUTELY
                  > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                  positivist science. I
                  > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                  act appropriately!
                  >
                  >
                  > > Incapable of running a list?
                  >
                  > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                  Existentialist list as was
                  > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                  your lack of
                  > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                  No contigency
                  > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                  flood of complaints
                  > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                  gave me a booting
                  > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                  who was willing
                  > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                  aims ... ME! Read
                  > the posts!
                  >
                  >
                  > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                  >
                  > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                  ingorant. I quote:
                  >
                  > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                  which ...
                  > really ----ed me off big time."
                  >
                  > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                  bother to read my
                  > posts and complaints????
                  >
                  > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                  'pissed'??) You
                  > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                  > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  >
                  > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                  list without
                  > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                  lacking insight and
                  > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                  of anger and
                  > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                  incompetence.
                  >
                  > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                  >
                  >
                  > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                  better ... if it
                  > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                  >
                  > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                  >
                  > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                  ignorance on his part."
                  >
                  > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                  >
                  >
                  > > My web site barely hints at my works
                  >
                  > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                  repeatedly pointed
                  > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                  or in the past.
                  > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                  much larger than
                  > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                  Existentialist list and
                  > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                  ... unlike your
                  > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                  >
                  > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                  are!!! (Read your
                  > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                  Existentialist list
                  > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                  >
                  > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                  >
                  > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                  >
                  > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                  >
                  > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                  >
                  > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                  >
                  > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                  >
                  > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                  be. I piss on
                  > every one of them!
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > > I hope you decide to remain
                  >
                  >
                  > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                  rude and shows
                  > your incompetence.
                  >
                  > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                  list you can shove
                  > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                  head is!!!!! You
                  > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                  >
                  > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                  >
                  >
                  > Mark
                  >
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                • Lorna Landry
                  Gee...that sounds friendly... Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so
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                    Gee...that sounds friendly...
                    Lorna

                    Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

                    Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
                    GRASP ON REALITY

                    Sue McPherson

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                    Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                    > Chris,
                    >
                    > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                    > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                    > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                    > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                    > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                    >
                    > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                    > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                    > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                    > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                    > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                    > both ways.
                    >
                    > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                    > public.
                    >
                    > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                    > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                    > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                    > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                    > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                    > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                    > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                    >
                    > eduard
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                    > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                    > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    >
                    >
                    > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                    > immediately, two
                    > > years ago.
                    > >
                    > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                    > academic reasons.
                    > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                    > quite helpful during
                    > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                    > and I miss his
                    > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                    > believe, and Yulian
                    > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                    > >
                    > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                    > unavailable to manage the
                    > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                    > dynamics.
                    > >
                    > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                    > dictator in
                    > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                    > country. This forum is
                    > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                    > mailing lists.
                    > >
                    > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                    > Stalin. Get real...
                    > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                    > merely sought to
                    > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                    > >
                    > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                    > my opinion. I'm
                    > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                    > >
                    > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                    > accident years ago and
                    > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                    > fault; I chose to race
                    > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                    > decisions leading
                    > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                    > suppose?
                    > >
                    > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                    > darn well in
                    > > life...
                    > > - C. S. Wyatt
                    > > http://www.tameri.com
                    > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                    > >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                    > [mailto:tindall@...]
                    > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                    > > To: Exist List Moderator
                    > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Thank you for your reply.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                    > / Existentialist
                    > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                    > times about Eduard
                    > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                    > is irresponsible
                    > > management and incompetence.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                    > on other topics.
                    > > I think you will find they are more
                    > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                    > secondary Moderator. I
                    > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                    > the race and
                    > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                    > position. I notice you
                    > > did not appoint Eduard!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                    > > and his silly
                    > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                    > kick.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                    > with his repeated
                    > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                    > repeatedly
                    > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                    > his nooist /
                    > > Existentialist list!!!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                    > > > sign of mismanagement.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                    > mismanagement. Your
                    > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                    > no-one was there to
                    > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                    > and still you
                    > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                    > 300 members but only
                    > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                    > You did not make
                    > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                    > use of other
                    > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                    > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                    > list! ABSOLUTELY
                    > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                    > positivist science. I
                    > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                    > act appropriately!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Incapable of running a list?
                    > >
                    > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                    > Existentialist list as was
                    > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                    > your lack of
                    > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                    > No contigency
                    > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                    > flood of complaints
                    > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                    > gave me a booting
                    > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                    > who was willing
                    > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                    > aims ... ME! Read
                    > > the posts!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                    > >
                    > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                    > ingorant. I quote:
                    > >
                    > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                    > which ...
                    > > really ----ed me off big time."
                    > >
                    > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                    > bother to read my
                    > > posts and complaints????
                    > >
                    > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                    > 'pissed'??) You
                    > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                    > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    > >
                    > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                    > list without
                    > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                    > lacking insight and
                    > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                    > of anger and
                    > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                    > incompetence.
                    > >
                    > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                    > better ... if it
                    > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                    > >
                    > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                    > >
                    > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                    > ignorance on his part."
                    > >
                    > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                    > >
                    > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                    > repeatedly pointed
                    > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                    > or in the past.
                    > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                    > much larger than
                    > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                    > Existentialist list and
                    > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                    > ... unlike your
                    > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                    > >
                    > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                    > are!!! (Read your
                    > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                    > Existentialist list
                    > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                    > >
                    > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                    > >
                    > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                    > >
                    > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                    > >
                    > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                    > >
                    > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                    > >
                    > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                    > >
                    > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                    > be. I piss on
                    > > every one of them!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > I hope you decide to remain
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                    > rude and shows
                    > > your incompetence.
                    > >
                    > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                    > list you can shove
                    > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                    > head is!!!!! You
                    > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                    > >
                    > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Mark
                    > >
                    > >
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                  • Lorna Landry
                    Take you own advice. Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue
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                      Take you own advice.

                      Lorna




                      Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder to get along!
                      There's no need for such impertinence.

                      Sue McPherson

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                      > what's one??
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                      > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      >
                      >
                      > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                      > >
                      > > Sue McPherson
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > Sue,
                      > > >
                      > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                      > > >
                      > > > eduard
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                      > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                      > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                      > to
                      > > > this now, to the
                      > > > > list.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Sue McPherson
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > MODERATOR
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > Sue,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                      > trying
                      > > > to
                      > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > eduard
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                      > <sue@...>
                      > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > MODERATOR
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                      > for
                      > > > > > being so disruptive.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                      > to
                      > > > have
                      > > > > > A VERY POOR
                      > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Chris,
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                      > I
                      > > > mean,
                      > > > > > he
                      > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                      > > > > > moderates a
                      > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                      > 600
                      > > > > > members!!
                      > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                      > so.
                      > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                      > your
                      > > > > > list.
                      > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                      > messages
                      > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                      > > > refused
                      > > > > > to do
                      > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                      > and
                      > > > > > every
                      > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                      > cant
                      > > > > > have it
                      > > > > > > > both ways.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                      > exposes
                      > > > you to
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > public.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                      > the
                      > > > posts
                      > > > > > [I
                      > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                      > has
                      > > > > > only
                      > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                      > of
                      > > > input.
                      > > > > > Of
                      > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                      > > > interested
                      > > > > > in
                      > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                      > > > task to
                      > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                      > credentials
                      > > > to
                      > > > > > wrap
                      > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                      > superiority.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > eduard
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                      > <existlist1@...>
                      > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                      > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                      > > > > > co-moderators
                      > > > > > > > immediately, two
                      > > > > > > > > years ago.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                      > on
                      > > > for
                      > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                      > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                      > Diana A
                      > > > > > were
                      > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                      > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                      > > > > > contributor
                      > > > > > > > and I miss his
                      > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                      > > > work, I
                      > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                      > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                      > being
                      > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                      > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                      > > > > > community
                      > > > > > > > dynamics.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                      > > > cannot be
                      > > > > > one
                      > > > > > > > dictator in
                      > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                      > or
                      > > > a
                      > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                      > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                      > > > newsgroups
                      > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                      > > > like
                      > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                      > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                      > killed
                      > > > him.
                      > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > merely sought to
                      > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                      > > > > > acceptable.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                      > > > > > offensive, in
                      > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                      > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                      > again.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                      > had
                      > > > an
                      > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                      > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                      > was
                      > > > my
                      > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                      > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                      > . I
                      > > > made
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > decisions leading
                      > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                      > > > > > moderators, I
                      > > > > > > > suppose?
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                      > do
                      > > > > > pretty
                      > > > > > > > darn well in
                      > > > > > > > > life...
                      > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                      > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                      > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                      > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                      > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                      > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                      > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                      > > > > > MODERATOR
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                      > and
                      > > > > > others.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                      > your
                      > > > > > nooist
                      > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                      > > > evidence
                      > > > > > many
                      > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                      > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                      > management!
                      > > > > > That
                      > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                      > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                      > pleased
                      > > > to
                      > > > > > chat >
                      > > > > > > > on other topics.
                      > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                      > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                      > to
                      > > > be
                      > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                      > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                      > pulled
                      > > > out
                      > > > > > of
                      > > > > > > > the race and
                      > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                      > the
                      > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                      > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                      > > > > > personally
                      > > > > > > > > and his silly
                      > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                      > then
                      > > > > > temporary
                      > > > > > > > kick.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                      > I
                      > > > put
                      > > > > > up
                      > > > > > > > with his repeated
                      > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                      > is
                      > > > why
                      > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > repeatedly
                      > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                      > > > nothing
                      > > > > > on
                      > > > > > > > his nooist /
                      > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                      > that
                      > > > is
                      > > > > > a
                      > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                      > gross
                      > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                      > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                      > moderation
                      > > > and
                      > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                      > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                      > out
                      > > > to
                      > > > > > you
                      > > > > > > > and still you
                      > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                      > lis
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                      > are
                      > > > > > over
                      > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                      > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                      > on
                      > > > > > topic!
                      > > > > > > > You did not make
                      > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                      > > > suggested
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > use of other
                      > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                      > yours!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                      > The
                      > > > last
                      > > > > > few
                      > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                      > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                      > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                      > and
                      > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                      > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                      > you
                      > > > failed
                      > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                      > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                      > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                      > > > caused
                      > > > > > by
                      > > > > > > > your lack of
                      > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                      > > > > > intervention.
                      > > > > > > > No contigency
                      > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                      > > > after a
                      > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                      > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                      > > > inaction...
                      > > > > > you
                      > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                      > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                      > > > ONLY
                      > > > > > person
                      > > > > > > > who was willing
                      > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                      > back to
                      > > > its
                      > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                      > > > > > > > > the posts!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                      > > > ignorant
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                      > rude
                      > > > and
                      > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                      > > > > > mailbox --
                      > > > > > > > which ...
                      > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                      > you
                      > > > even
                      > > > > > > > bother to read my
                      > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                      > > > Anglo-Saxon
                      > > > > > word
                      > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                      > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                      > incompetence
                      > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                      > > > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > list without
                      > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                      > both
                      > > > inept,
                      > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                      > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                      > in
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > heat
                      > > > > > > > of anger and
                      > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                      > > > mismanagement
                      > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > incompetence.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                      > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > list
                      > > > > > > > better ... if it
                      > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                      > > > great
                      > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                      > my
                      > > > new
                      > > > > > list.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                      > ...
                      > > > as
                      > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                      > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                      > done
                      > > > > > elsewhere
                      > > > > > > > or in the past.
                      > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                      > > > achievments
                      > > > > > ...
                      > > > > > > > much larger than
                      > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                      > nooist /
                      > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                      > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                      > Stay on
                      > > > > > topic
                      > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                      > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                      > great
                      > > > you
                      > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                      > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                      > nooist /
                      > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                      > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                      > > > supposed
                      > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                      > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                      > booted
                      > > > me.
                      > > > > > It's
                      > > > > > > > rude and shows
                      > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                      > > > > > Existentialist
                      > > > > > > > list you can shove
                      > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                      > arse
                      > > > where
                      > > > > > your
                      > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                      > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Mark
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                      > > > removed]
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                      Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
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                        Mind your own business

                        Sue McPherson

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                        >
                        > Take you own advice.
                        >
                        > Lorna
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                        to get along!
                        > There's no need for such impertinence.
                        >
                        > Sue McPherson
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        >
                        >
                        > > what's one??
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                        > > >
                        > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > Sue,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                        > > > >
                        > > > > eduard
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                        > > to
                        > > > > this now, to the
                        > > > > > list.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Sue,
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                        > > trying
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                        > > <sue@...>
                        > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                        > > for
                        > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                        > > to
                        > > > > have
                        > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                        > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Chris,
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                        > > I
                        > > > > mean,
                        > > > > > > he
                        > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                        > > > > > > moderates a
                        > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                        > > 600
                        > > > > > > members!!
                        > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                        > > so.
                        > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                        > > your
                        > > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                        > > messages
                        > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                        > > > > refused
                        > > > > > > to do
                        > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > every
                        > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                        > > cant
                        > > > > > > have it
                        > > > > > > > > both ways.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                        > > exposes
                        > > > > you to
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > public.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                        > > the
                        > > > > posts
                        > > > > > > [I
                        > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                        > > has
                        > > > > > > only
                        > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                        > > of
                        > > > > input.
                        > > > > > > Of
                        > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                        > > > > interested
                        > > > > > > in
                        > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                        > > > > task to
                        > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                        > > credentials
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > wrap
                        > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                        > > superiority.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                        > > <existlist1@...>
                        > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                        > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                        > > > > > > co-moderators
                        > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                        > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                        > > on
                        > > > > for
                        > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                        > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                        > > Diana A
                        > > > > > > were
                        > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                        > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                        > > > > > > contributor
                        > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                        > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                        > > > > work, I
                        > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                        > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                        > > being
                        > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                        > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                        > > > > > > community
                        > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                        > > > > cannot be
                        > > > > > > one
                        > > > > > > > > dictator in
                        > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                        > > or
                        > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                        > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                        > > > > newsgroups
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                        > > > > like
                        > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                        > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                        > > killed
                        > > > > him.
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                        > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                        > > > > > > acceptable.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                        > > > > > > offensive, in
                        > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                        > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                        > > again.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                        > > had
                        > > > > an
                        > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                        > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                        > > was
                        > > > > my
                        > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                        > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                        > > . I
                        > > > > made
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                        > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                        > > > > > > moderators, I
                        > > > > > > > > suppose?
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                        > > do
                        > > > > > > pretty
                        > > > > > > > > darn well in
                        > > > > > > > > > life...
                        > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                        > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                        > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                        > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                        > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                        > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                        > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > others.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                        > > your
                        > > > > > > nooist
                        > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                        > > > > evidence
                        > > > > > > many
                        > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                        > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                        > > management!
                        > > > > > > That
                        > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                        > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                        > > pleased
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > chat >
                        > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                        > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                        > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                        > > to
                        > > > > be
                        > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                        > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                        > > pulled
                        > > > > out
                        > > > > > > of
                        > > > > > > > > the race and
                        > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                        > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                        > > > > > > personally
                        > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                        > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                        > > then
                        > > > > > > temporary
                        > > > > > > > > kick.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                        > > I
                        > > > > put
                        > > > > > > up
                        > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                        > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                        > > is
                        > > > > why
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                        > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                        > > > > nothing
                        > > > > > > on
                        > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                        > > that
                        > > > > is
                        > > > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                        > > gross
                        > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                        > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                        > > moderation
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                        > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                        > > out
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > and still you
                        > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                        > > lis
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                        > > are
                        > > > > > > over
                        > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                        > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                        > > on
                        > > > > > > topic!
                        > > > > > > > > You did not make
                        > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                        > > > > suggested
                        > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > use of other
                        > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                        > > yours!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                        > > The
                        > > > > last
                        > > > > > > few
                        > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                        > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                        > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                        > > and
                        > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                        > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                        > > you
                        > > > > failed
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                        > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                        > > > > caused
                        > > > > > > by
                        > > > > > > > > your lack of
                        > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                        > > > > > > intervention.
                        > > > > > > > > No contigency
                        > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                        > > > > after a
                        > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                        > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                        > > > > inaction...
                        > > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                        > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                        > > > > ONLY
                        > > > > > > person
                        > > > > > > > > who was willing
                        > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                        > > back to
                        > > > > its
                        > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                        > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                        > > > > ignorant
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                        > > rude
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                        > > > > > > mailbox --
                        > > > > > > > > which ...
                        > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                        > > you
                        > > > > even
                        > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                        > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                        > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                        > > > > > > word
                        > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                        > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                        > > incompetence
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                        > > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list without
                        > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                        > > both
                        > > > > inept,
                        > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                        > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                        > > in
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > > heat
                        > > > > > > > > of anger and
                        > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                        > > > > mismanagement
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                        > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > list
                        > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                        > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                        > > > > great
                        > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                        > > my
                        > > > > new
                        > > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                        > > ...
                        > > > > as
                        > > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                        > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                        > > done
                        > > > > > > elsewhere
                        > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                        > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                        > > > > achievments
                        > > > > > > ...
                        > > > > > > > > much larger than
                        > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                        > > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                        > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                        > > Stay on
                        > > > > > > topic
                        > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                        > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                        > > great
                        > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                        > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                        > > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                        > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                        > > > > supposed
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                        > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                        > > booted
                        > > > > me.
                        > > > > > > It's
                        > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                        > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                        > > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                        > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                        > > arse
                        > > > > where
                        > > > > > > your
                        > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                        > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                        > > > > > > > > >
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                      • manicpg
                        id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the business of being laughed at for being realists. let north meet south
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                          id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the
                          business of being laughed at for being realists.

                          let north meet south



                          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Sue McPherson" <sue@m...> wrote:
                          > Mind your own business
                          >
                          > Sue McPherson
                          >
                          >
                          > >
                          > > Take you own advice.
                          > >
                          > > Lorna
                        • Lorna Landry
                          Gladly. Sue McPherson wrote:Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To:
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                            Gladly.




                            Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                            Sue McPherson

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                            >
                            > Take you own advice.
                            >
                            > Lorna
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                            to get along!
                            > There's no need for such impertinence.
                            >
                            > Sue McPherson
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            >
                            >
                            > > what's one??
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                            > > >
                            > > > Sue McPherson
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Sue,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                            > > > >
                            > > > > eduard
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                            > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                            > > to
                            > > > > this now, to the
                            > > > > > list.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Sue McPherson
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Sue,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                            > > trying
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > eduard
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                            > > <sue@...>
                            > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                            > > for
                            > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                            > > to
                            > > > > have
                            > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                            > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                            > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Chris,
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                            > > I
                            > > > > mean,
                            > > > > > > he
                            > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                            > > > > > > moderates a
                            > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                            > > 600
                            > > > > > > members!!
                            > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                            > > so.
                            > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                            > > your
                            > > > > > > list.
                            > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                            > > messages
                            > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                            > > > > refused
                            > > > > > > to do
                            > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                            > > and
                            > > > > > > every
                            > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                            > > cant
                            > > > > > > have it
                            > > > > > > > > both ways.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                            > > exposes
                            > > > > you to
                            > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > public.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                            > > the
                            > > > > posts
                            > > > > > > [I
                            > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                            > > has
                            > > > > > > only
                            > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                            > > of
                            > > > > input.
                            > > > > > > Of
                            > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                            > > > > interested
                            > > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                            > > > > task to
                            > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                            > > credentials
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > wrap
                            > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                            > > superiority.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > eduard
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                            > > <existlist1@...>
                            > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                            > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                            > > > > > > co-moderators
                            > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                            > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                            > > on
                            > > > > for
                            > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                            > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                            > > Diana A
                            > > > > > > were
                            > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                            > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                            > > > > > > contributor
                            > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                            > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                            > > > > work, I
                            > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                            > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                            > > being
                            > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                            > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                            > > > > > > community
                            > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                            > > > > cannot be
                            > > > > > > one
                            > > > > > > > > dictator in
                            > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                            > > or
                            > > > > a
                            > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                            > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                            > > > > newsgroups
                            > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                            > > > > like
                            > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                            > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                            > > killed
                            > > > > him.
                            > > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                            > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                            > > > > > > acceptable.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                            > > > > > > offensive, in
                            > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                            > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                            > > again.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                            > > had
                            > > > > an
                            > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                            > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                            > > was
                            > > > > my
                            > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                            > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                            > > . I
                            > > > > made
                            > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                            > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                            > > > > > > moderators, I
                            > > > > > > > > suppose?
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                            > > do
                            > > > > > > pretty
                            > > > > > > > > darn well in
                            > > > > > > > > > life...
                            > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                            > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                            > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                            > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                            > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                            > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                            > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > > > > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                            > > and
                            > > > > > > others.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                            > > your
                            > > > > > > nooist
                            > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                            > > > > evidence
                            > > > > > > many
                            > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                            > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                            > > management!
                            > > > > > > That
                            > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                            > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                            > > pleased
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > chat >
                            > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                            > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                            > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                            > > to
                            > > > > be
                            > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                            > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                            > > pulled
                            > > > > out
                            > > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > > > the race and
                            > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                            > > the
                            > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                            > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                            > > > > > > personally
                            > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                            > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                            > > then
                            > > > > > > temporary
                            > > > > > > > > kick.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                            > > I
                            > > > > put
                            > > > > > > up
                            > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                            > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                            > > is
                            > > > > why
                            > > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                            > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                            > > > > nothing
                            > > > > > > on
                            > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                            > > that
                            > > > > is
                            > > > > > > a
                            > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                            > > gross
                            > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                            > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                            > > moderation
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                            > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                            > > out
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > and still you
                            > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                            > > lis
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                            > > are
                            > > > > > > over
                            > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                            > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                            > > on
                            > > > > > > topic!
                            > > > > > > > > You did not make
                            > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                            > > > > suggested
                            > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > use of other
                            > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                            > > yours!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                            > > The
                            > > > > last
                            > > > > > > few
                            > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                            > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                            > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                            > > and
                            > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                            > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                            > > you
                            > > > > failed
                            > > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                            > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                            > > > > caused
                            > > > > > > by
                            > > > > > > > > your lack of
                            > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                            > > > > > > intervention.
                            > > > > > > > > No contigency
                            > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                            > > > > after a
                            > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                            > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                            > > > > inaction...
                            > > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                            > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                            > > > > ONLY
                            > > > > > > person
                            > > > > > > > > who was willing
                            > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                            > > back to
                            > > > > its
                            > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                            > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                            > > > > ignorant
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                            > > rude
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                            > > > > > > mailbox --
                            > > > > > > > > which ...
                            > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                            > > you
                            > > > > even
                            > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                            > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                            > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                            > > > > > > word
                            > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                            > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                            > > incompetence
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                            > > > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > list without
                            > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                            > > both
                            > > > > inept,
                            > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                            > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                            > > in
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > > > heat
                            > > > > > > > > of anger and
                            > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                            > > > > mismanagement
                            > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                            > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > list
                            > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                            > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                            > > > > great
                            > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                            > > my
                            > > > > new
                            > > > > > > list.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                            > > ...
                            > > > > as
                            > > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                            > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                            > > done
                            > > > > > > elsewhere
                            > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                            > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                            > > > > achievments
                            > > > > > > ...
                            > > > > > > > > much larger than
                            > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                            > > nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                            > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                            > > Stay on
                            > > > > > > topic
                            > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                            > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                            > > great
                            > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                            > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                            > > nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                            > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                            > > > > supposed
                            > > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                            > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                            > > booted
                            > > > > me.
                            > > > > > > It's
                            > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                            > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                            > > > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                            > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                            > > arse
                            > > > > where
                            > > > > > > your
                            > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                            > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Mark
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
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                          • Lorna Landry
                            AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I M WRONG. LORNA Sue
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                              AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

                              LORNA




                              Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                              Sue McPherson

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                              >
                              > Take you own advice.
                              >
                              > Lorna
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                              to get along!
                              > There's no need for such impertinence.
                              >
                              > Sue McPherson
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              >
                              >
                              > > what's one??
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                              > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                              > > >
                              > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Sue,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                              > > > >
                              > > > > eduard
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                              > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                              > > to
                              > > > > this now, to the
                              > > > > > list.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Sue,
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                              > > trying
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > eduard
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                              > > <sue@...>
                              > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                              > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                              > > for
                              > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                              > > to
                              > > > > have
                              > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                              > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                              > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Chris,
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                              > > I
                              > > > > mean,
                              > > > > > > he
                              > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                              > > > > > > moderates a
                              > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                              > > 600
                              > > > > > > members!!
                              > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                              > > so.
                              > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                              > > your
                              > > > > > > list.
                              > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                              > > messages
                              > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                              > > > > refused
                              > > > > > > to do
                              > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > every
                              > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                              > > cant
                              > > > > > > have it
                              > > > > > > > > both ways.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                              > > exposes
                              > > > > you to
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > public.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                              > > the
                              > > > > posts
                              > > > > > > [I
                              > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                              > > has
                              > > > > > > only
                              > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                              > > of
                              > > > > input.
                              > > > > > > Of
                              > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                              > > > > interested
                              > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                              > > > > task to
                              > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                              > > credentials
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > wrap
                              > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                              > > superiority.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > eduard
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                              > > <existlist1@...>
                              > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                              > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                              > > > > > > co-moderators
                              > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                              > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                              > > on
                              > > > > for
                              > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                              > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                              > > Diana A
                              > > > > > > were
                              > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                              > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                              > > > > > > contributor
                              > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                              > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                              > > > > work, I
                              > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                              > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                              > > being
                              > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                              > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                              > > > > > > community
                              > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                              > > > > cannot be
                              > > > > > > one
                              > > > > > > > > dictator in
                              > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                              > > or
                              > > > > a
                              > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                              > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                              > > > > newsgroups
                              > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                              > > > > like
                              > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                              > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                              > > killed
                              > > > > him.
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                              > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                              > > > > > > acceptable.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                              > > > > > > offensive, in
                              > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                              > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                              > > again.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                              > > had
                              > > > > an
                              > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                              > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                              > > was
                              > > > > my
                              > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                              > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                              > > . I
                              > > > > made
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                              > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                              > > > > > > moderators, I
                              > > > > > > > > suppose?
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                              > > do
                              > > > > > > pretty
                              > > > > > > > > darn well in
                              > > > > > > > > > life...
                              > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                              > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                              > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                              > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                              > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                              > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                              > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > > > > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > others.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                              > > your
                              > > > > > > nooist
                              > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                              > > > > evidence
                              > > > > > > many
                              > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                              > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                              > > management!
                              > > > > > > That
                              > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                              > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                              > > pleased
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > chat >
                              > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                              > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                              > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                              > > to
                              > > > > be
                              > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                              > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                              > > pulled
                              > > > > out
                              > > > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > > the race and
                              > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                              > > the
                              > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                              > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                              > > > > > > personally
                              > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                              > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                              > > then
                              > > > > > > temporary
                              > > > > > > > > kick.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                              > > I
                              > > > > put
                              > > > > > > up
                              > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                              > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                              > > is
                              > > > > why
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                              > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                              > > > > nothing
                              > > > > > > on
                              > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                              > > that
                              > > > > is
                              > > > > > > a
                              > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                              > > gross
                              > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                              > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                              > > moderation
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                              > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                              > > out
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > and still you
                              > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                              > > lis
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                              > > are
                              > > > > > > over
                              > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                              > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                              > > on
                              > > > > > > topic!
                              > > > > > > > > You did not make
                              > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                              > > > > suggested
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > use of other
                              > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                              > > yours!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                              > > The
                              > > > > last
                              > > > > > > few
                              > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                              > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                              > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                              > > you
                              > > > > failed
                              > > > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                              > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                              > > > > caused
                              > > > > > > by
                              > > > > > > > > your lack of
                              > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                              > > > > > > intervention.
                              > > > > > > > > No contigency
                              > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                              > > > > after a
                              > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                              > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                              > > > > inaction...
                              > > > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                              > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                              > > > > ONLY
                              > > > > > > person
                              > > > > > > > > who was willing
                              > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                              > > back to
                              > > > > its
                              > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                              > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                              > > > > ignorant
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                              > > rude
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                              > > > > > > mailbox --
                              > > > > > > > > which ...
                              > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                              > > you
                              > > > > even
                              > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                              > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                              > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                              > > > > > > word
                              > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                              > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                              > > incompetence
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                              > > > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > list without
                              > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                              > > both
                              > > > > inept,
                              > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                              > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                              > > in
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > > > heat
                              > > > > > > > > of anger and
                              > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                              > > > > mismanagement
                              > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > list
                              > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                              > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                              > > > > great
                              > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                              > > my
                              > > > > new
                              > > > > > > list.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                              > > ...
                              > > > > as
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                              > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                              > > done
                              > > > > > > elsewhere
                              > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                              > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                              > > > > achievments
                              > > > > > > ...
                              > > > > > > > > much larger than
                              > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                              > > nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                              > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                              > > Stay on
                              > > > > > > topic
                              > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                              > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                              > > great
                              > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                              > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                              > > nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                              > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                              > > > > supposed
                              > > > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                              > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                              > > booted
                              > > > > me.
                              > > > > > > It's
                              > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                              > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                              > > > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                              > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                              > > arse
                              > > > > where
                              > > > > > > your
                              > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                              > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Mark
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                              > > > > removed]
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