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  • Sue McPherson
    If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive. Or maybe she ll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR GRASP ON
    Message 1 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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      If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

      Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
      GRASP ON REALITY

      Sue McPherson

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


      > Chris,
      >
      > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
      > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
      > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
      > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
      > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
      >
      > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
      > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
      > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
      > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
      > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
      > both ways.
      >
      > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
      > public.
      >
      > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
      > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
      > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
      > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
      > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
      > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
      > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
      >
      > eduard
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
      > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
      > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      >
      >
      > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
      > immediately, two
      > > years ago.
      > >
      > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
      > academic reasons.
      > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
      > quite helpful during
      > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
      > and I miss his
      > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
      > believe, and Yulian
      > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
      > >
      > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
      > unavailable to manage the
      > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
      > dynamics.
      > >
      > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
      > dictator in
      > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
      > country. This forum is
      > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
      > mailing lists.
      > >
      > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
      > Stalin. Get real...
      > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
      > merely sought to
      > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
      > >
      > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
      > my opinion. I'm
      > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
      > >
      > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
      > accident years ago and
      > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
      > fault; I chose to race
      > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
      > decisions leading
      > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
      > suppose?
      > >
      > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
      > darn well in
      > > life...
      > > - C. S. Wyatt
      > > http://www.tameri.com
      > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
      > [mailto:tindall@...]
      > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
      > > To: Exist List Moderator
      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      > >
      > >
      > > Thank you for your reply.
      > >
      > >
      > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
      > >
      > >
      > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
      > / Existentialist
      > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
      > times about Eduard
      > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
      > is irresponsible
      > > management and incompetence.
      > >
      > >
      > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
      > on other topics.
      > > I think you will find they are more
      > > > responsible than most others on the list.
      > >
      > >
      > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
      > secondary Moderator. I
      > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
      > the race and
      > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
      > position. I notice you
      > > did not appoint Eduard!
      > >
      > >
      > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
      > > and his silly
      > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
      > kick.
      > >
      > >
      > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
      > with his repeated
      > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
      > repeatedly
      > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
      > his nooist /
      > > Existentialist list!!!
      > >
      > >
      > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
      > > > sign of mismanagement.
      > >
      > >
      > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
      > mismanagement. Your
      > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
      > no-one was there to
      > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
      > and still you
      > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
      > >
      > >
      > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
      > >
      > >
      > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
      > 300 members but only
      > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
      > You did not make
      > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
      > use of other
      > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
      > >
      > >
      > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
      > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
      > >
      > >
      > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
      > list! ABSOLUTELY
      > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
      > positivist science. I
      > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
      > act appropriately!
      > >
      > >
      > > > Incapable of running a list?
      > >
      > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
      > Existentialist list as was
      > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
      > your lack of
      > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
      > No contigency
      > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
      > flood of complaints
      > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
      > gave me a booting
      > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
      > who was willing
      > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
      > aims ... ME! Read
      > > the posts!
      > >
      > >
      > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
      > >
      > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
      > ingorant. I quote:
      > >
      > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
      > which ...
      > > really ----ed me off big time."
      > >
      > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
      > bother to read my
      > > posts and complaints????
      > >
      > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
      > 'pissed'??) You
      > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
      > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      > >
      > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
      > list without
      > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
      > lacking insight and
      > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
      > of anger and
      > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
      > incompetence.
      > >
      > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
      > >
      > >
      > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
      > better ... if it
      > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
      > >
      > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
      > >
      > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
      > ignorance on his part."
      > >
      > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
      > >
      > >
      > > > My web site barely hints at my works
      > >
      > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
      > repeatedly pointed
      > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
      > or in the past.
      > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
      > much larger than
      > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
      > Existentialist list and
      > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
      > ... unlike your
      > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
      > >
      > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
      > are!!! (Read your
      > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
      > Existentialist list
      > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
      > >
      > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
      > >
      > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
      > >
      > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
      > >
      > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
      > >
      > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
      > >
      > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
      > >
      > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
      > be. I piss on
      > > every one of them!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > > I hope you decide to remain
      > >
      > >
      > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
      > rude and shows
      > > your incompetence.
      > >
      > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
      > list you can shove
      > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
      > head is!!!!! You
      > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
      > >
      > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
      > >
      > >
      > > Mark
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
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    • yeoman
      Sue, I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn t trying to make a big deal of it. eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To:
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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        Sue,

        I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
        make a big deal of it.

        eduard

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


        > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
        being so disruptive.
        >
        > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
        A VERY POOR
        > GRASP ON REALITY
        >
        > Sue McPherson
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        >
        >
        > > Chris,
        > >
        > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
        he
        > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
        moderates a
        > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
        members!!
        > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
        > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
        > >
        > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
        list.
        > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
        > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
        to do
        > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
        every
        > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
        have it
        > > both ways.
        > >
        > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
        the
        > > public.
        > >
        > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
        [I
        > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
        only
        > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
        Of
        > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
        in
        > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
        > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
        wrap
        > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
        > >
        > > eduard
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
        > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
        > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > >
        > >
        > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
        co-moderators
        > > immediately, two
        > > > years ago.
        > > >
        > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
        > > academic reasons.
        > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
        were
        > > quite helpful during
        > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
        contributor
        > > and I miss his
        > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
        > > believe, and Yulian
        > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
        > > >
        > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
        > > unavailable to manage the
        > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
        community
        > > dynamics.
        > > >
        > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
        one
        > > dictator in
        > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
        > > country. This forum is
        > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
        and
        > > mailing lists.
        > > >
        > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
        > > Stalin. Get real...
        > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
        I
        > > merely sought to
        > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
        acceptable.
        > > >
        > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
        offensive, in
        > > my opinion. I'm
        > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
        > > >
        > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
        > > accident years ago and
        > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
        > > fault; I chose to race
        > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
        the
        > > decisions leading
        > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
        moderators, I
        > > suppose?
        > > >
        > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
        pretty
        > > darn well in
        > > > life...
        > > > - C. S. Wyatt
        > > > http://www.tameri.com
        > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
        > > >
        > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
        > > [mailto:tindall@...]
        > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
        > > > To: Exist List Moderator
        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
        MODERATOR
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Thank you for your reply.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
        others.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
        nooist
        > > / Existentialist
        > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
        many
        > > times about Eduard
        > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
        That
        > > is irresponsible
        > > > management and incompetence.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
        chat >
        > > on other topics.
        > > > I think you will find they are more
        > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
        > > secondary Moderator. I
        > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
        of
        > > the race and
        > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
        > > position. I notice you
        > > > did not appoint Eduard!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
        personally
        > > > and his silly
        > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
        temporary
        > > kick.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
        up
        > > with his repeated
        > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
        I
        > > repeatedly
        > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
        on
        > > his nooist /
        > > > Existentialist list!!!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
        a
        > > > > sign of mismanagement.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
        > > mismanagement. Your
        > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
        > > no-one was there to
        > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
        you
        > > and still you
        > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
        over
        > > 300 members but only
        > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
        topic!
        > > You did not make
        > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
        the
        > > use of other
        > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
        few
        > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
        > > list! ABSOLUTELY
        > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
        > > positivist science. I
        > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
        to
        > > act appropriately!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Incapable of running a list?
        > > >
        > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
        > > Existentialist list as was
        > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
        by
        > > your lack of
        > > > management skills and your lack of timely
        intervention.
        > > No contigency
        > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
        > > flood of complaints
        > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
        you
        > > gave me a booting
        > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
        person
        > > who was willing
        > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
        > > aims ... ME! Read
        > > > the posts!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
        > > >
        > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
        > > ingorant. I quote:
        > > >
        > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
        mailbox --
        > > which ...
        > > > really ----ed me off big time."
        > > >
        > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
        > > bother to read my
        > > > posts and complaints????
        > > >
        > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
        word
        > > 'pissed'??) You
        > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
        > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        > > >
        > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
        Existentialist
        > > list without
        > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
        > > lacking insight and
        > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
        heat
        > > of anger and
        > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
        and
        > > incompetence.
        > > >
        > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
        list
        > > better ... if it
        > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
        > > >
        > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
        > > >
        > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
        > > ignorance on his part."
        > > >
        > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
        list.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
        > > >
        > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
        I
        > > repeatedly pointed
        > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
        elsewhere
        > > or in the past.
        > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
        ...
        > > much larger than
        > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
        > > Existentialist list and
        > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
        topic
        > > ... unlike your
        > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
        > > >
        > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
        > > are!!! (Read your
        > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
        > > Existentialist list
        > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
        > > >
        > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
        > > >
        > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
        > > >
        > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
        > > >
        > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
        > > >
        > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
        > > >
        > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
        > > >
        > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
        to
        > > be. I piss on
        > > > every one of them!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > I hope you decide to remain
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
        It's
        > > rude and shows
        > > > your incompetence.
        > > >
        > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
        Existentialist
        > > list you can shove
        > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
        your
        > > head is!!!!! You
        > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
        > > >
        > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Mark
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > > >
        > > >
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        > >
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > > -----------~->
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        > > > (Includes community book list, chat, and more.)
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        If you really were sorry, you wouldn t be responding to this now, to the list. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
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          If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to this now, to the
          list.

          Sue McPherson


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


          > Sue,
          >
          > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
          > make a big deal of it.
          >
          > eduard
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          >
          >
          > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
          > being so disruptive.
          > >
          > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
          > A VERY POOR
          > > GRASP ON REALITY
          > >
          > > Sue McPherson
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > >
          > >
          > > > Chris,
          > > >
          > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
          > he
          > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
          > moderates a
          > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
          > members!!
          > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
          > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
          > > >
          > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
          > list.
          > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
          > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
          > to do
          > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
          > every
          > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
          > have it
          > > > both ways.
          > > >
          > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
          > the
          > > > public.
          > > >
          > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
          > [I
          > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
          > only
          > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
          > Of
          > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
          > in
          > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
          > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
          > wrap
          > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
          > > >
          > > > eduard
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
          > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
          > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
          > co-moderators
          > > > immediately, two
          > > > > years ago.
          > > > >
          > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
          > > > academic reasons.
          > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
          > were
          > > > quite helpful during
          > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
          > contributor
          > > > and I miss his
          > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
          > > > believe, and Yulian
          > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
          > > > >
          > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
          > > > unavailable to manage the
          > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
          > community
          > > > dynamics.
          > > > >
          > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
          > one
          > > > dictator in
          > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
          > > > country. This forum is
          > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
          > and
          > > > mailing lists.
          > > > >
          > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
          > > > Stalin. Get real...
          > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
          > I
          > > > merely sought to
          > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
          > acceptable.
          > > > >
          > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
          > offensive, in
          > > > my opinion. I'm
          > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
          > > > >
          > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
          > > > accident years ago and
          > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
          > > > fault; I chose to race
          > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
          > the
          > > > decisions leading
          > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
          > moderators, I
          > > > suppose?
          > > > >
          > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
          > pretty
          > > > darn well in
          > > > > life...
          > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
          > > > > http://www.tameri.com
          > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
          > > > >
          > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
          > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
          > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
          > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          > MODERATOR
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Thank you for your reply.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
          > others.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
          > nooist
          > > > / Existentialist
          > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
          > many
          > > > times about Eduard
          > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
          > That
          > > > is irresponsible
          > > > > management and incompetence.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
          > chat >
          > > > on other topics.
          > > > > I think you will find they are more
          > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
          > > > secondary Moderator. I
          > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
          > of
          > > > the race and
          > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
          > > > position. I notice you
          > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
          > personally
          > > > > and his silly
          > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
          > temporary
          > > > kick.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
          > up
          > > > with his repeated
          > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
          > I
          > > > repeatedly
          > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
          > on
          > > > his nooist /
          > > > > Existentialist list!!!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
          > a
          > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
          > > > mismanagement. Your
          > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
          > > > no-one was there to
          > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
          > you
          > > > and still you
          > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
          > over
          > > > 300 members but only
          > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
          > topic!
          > > > You did not make
          > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
          > the
          > > > use of other
          > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
          > few
          > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
          > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
          > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
          > > > positivist science. I
          > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
          > to
          > > > act appropriately!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
          > > > >
          > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
          > > > Existentialist list as was
          > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
          > by
          > > > your lack of
          > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
          > intervention.
          > > > No contigency
          > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
          > > > flood of complaints
          > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
          > you
          > > > gave me a booting
          > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
          > person
          > > > who was willing
          > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
          > > > aims ... ME! Read
          > > > > the posts!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
          > > > >
          > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
          > > > ingorant. I quote:
          > > > >
          > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
          > mailbox --
          > > > which ...
          > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
          > > > >
          > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
          > > > bother to read my
          > > > > posts and complaints????
          > > > >
          > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
          > word
          > > > 'pissed'??) You
          > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
          > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          > > > >
          > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
          > Existentialist
          > > > list without
          > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
          > > > lacking insight and
          > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
          > heat
          > > > of anger and
          > > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
          > and
          > > > incompetence.
          > > > >
          > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
          > list
          > > > better ... if it
          > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
          > > > >
          > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
          > > > >
          > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
          > > > ignorance on his part."
          > > > >
          > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
          > list.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
          > > > >
          > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
          > I
          > > > repeatedly pointed
          > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
          > elsewhere
          > > > or in the past.
          > > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
          > ...
          > > > much larger than
          > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
          > > > Existentialist list and
          > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
          > topic
          > > > ... unlike your
          > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
          > > > >
          > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
          > > > are!!! (Read your
          > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
          > > > Existentialist list
          > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
          > > > >
          > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
          > > > >
          > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
          > > > >
          > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
          > > > >
          > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
          > > > >
          > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
          > > > >
          > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
          > > > >
          > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
          > to
          > > > be. I piss on
          > > > > every one of them!
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
          > It's
          > > > rude and shows
          > > > > your incompetence.
          > > > >
          > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
          > Existentialist
          > > > list you can shove
          > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
          > your
          > > > head is!!!!! You
          > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
          > > > >
          > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Mark
          > > > >
          > > > >
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          Sue, Thankyou for your perceptive note... eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday,
          Message 4 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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            Sue,

            Thankyou for your perceptive note...

            eduard

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


            > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
            this now, to the
            > list.
            >
            > Sue McPherson
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            >
            >
            > > Sue,
            > >
            > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
            to
            > > make a big deal of it.
            > >
            > > eduard
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > >
            > >
            > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
            > > being so disruptive.
            > > >
            > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
            have
            > > A VERY POOR
            > > > GRASP ON REALITY
            > > >
            > > > Sue McPherson
            > > >
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
            > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            MODERATOR
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > Chris,
            > > > >
            > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
            mean,
            > > he
            > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
            > > moderates a
            > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
            > > members!!
            > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
            > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
            > > > >
            > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
            > > list.
            > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
            > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
            refused
            > > to do
            > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
            > > every
            > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
            > > have it
            > > > > both ways.
            > > > >
            > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
            you to
            > > the
            > > > > public.
            > > > >
            > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
            posts
            > > [I
            > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
            > > only
            > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
            input.
            > > Of
            > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
            interested
            > > in
            > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
            task to
            > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
            to
            > > wrap
            > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
            > > > >
            > > > > eduard
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
            > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
            > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            MODERATOR
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
            > > co-moderators
            > > > > immediately, two
            > > > > > years ago.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
            for
            > > > > academic reasons.
            > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
            > > were
            > > > > quite helpful during
            > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
            > > contributor
            > > > > and I miss his
            > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
            work, I
            > > > > believe, and Yulian
            > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
            > > > > unavailable to manage the
            > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
            > > community
            > > > > dynamics.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
            cannot be
            > > one
            > > > > dictator in
            > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
            a
            > > > > country. This forum is
            > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
            newsgroups
            > > and
            > > > > mailing lists.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
            like
            > > > > Stalin. Get real...
            > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
            him.
            > > I
            > > > > merely sought to
            > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
            > > acceptable.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
            > > offensive, in
            > > > > my opinion. I'm
            > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
            an
            > > > > accident years ago and
            > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
            my
            > > > > fault; I chose to race
            > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
            made
            > > the
            > > > > decisions leading
            > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
            > > moderators, I
            > > > > suppose?
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
            > > pretty
            > > > > darn well in
            > > > > > life...
            > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
            > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
            > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
            > > > > >
            > > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
            > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
            > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
            > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
            > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > > MODERATOR
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
            > > others.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
            > > nooist
            > > > > / Existentialist
            > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
            evidence
            > > many
            > > > > times about Eduard
            > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
            > > That
            > > > > is irresponsible
            > > > > > management and incompetence.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
            to
            > > chat >
            > > > > on other topics.
            > > > > > I think you will find they are more
            > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
            be
            > > > > secondary Moderator. I
            > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
            out
            > > of
            > > > > the race and
            > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
            > > > > position. I notice you
            > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
            > > personally
            > > > > > and his silly
            > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
            > > temporary
            > > > > kick.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
            put
            > > up
            > > > > with his repeated
            > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
            why
            > > I
            > > > > repeatedly
            > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
            nothing
            > > on
            > > > > his nooist /
            > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
            is
            > > a
            > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
            > > > > mismanagement. Your
            > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
            and
            > > > > no-one was there to
            > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
            to
            > > you
            > > > > and still you
            > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
            > > over
            > > > > 300 members but only
            > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
            > > topic!
            > > > > You did not make
            > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
            suggested
            > > the
            > > > > use of other
            > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
            last
            > > few
            > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
            Existentialist
            > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
            > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
            > > > > positivist science. I
            > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
            failed
            > > to
            > > > > act appropriately!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
            > > > > >
            > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
            > > > > Existentialist list as was
            > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
            caused
            > > by
            > > > > your lack of
            > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
            > > intervention.
            > > > > No contigency
            > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
            after a
            > > > > flood of complaints
            > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
            inaction...
            > > you
            > > > > gave me a booting
            > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
            ONLY
            > > person
            > > > > who was willing
            > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
            its
            > > > > aims ... ME! Read
            > > > > > the posts!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
            ignorant
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
            and
            > > > > ingorant. I quote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
            > > mailbox --
            > > > > which ...
            > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
            even
            > > > > bother to read my
            > > > > > posts and complaints????
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
            Anglo-Saxon
            > > word
            > > > > 'pissed'??) You
            > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
            and
            > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
            > > Existentialist
            > > > > list without
            > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
            inept,
            > > > > lacking insight and
            > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
            the
            > > heat
            > > > > of anger and
            > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
            mismanagement
            > > and
            > > > > incompetence.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
            Existentialist
            > > list
            > > > > better ... if it
            > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
            > > > > >
            > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
            great
            > > > > ignorance on his part."
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
            new
            > > list.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
            as
            > > I
            > > > > repeatedly pointed
            > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
            > > elsewhere
            > > > > or in the past.
            > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
            achievments
            > > ...
            > > > > much larger than
            > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
            > > > > Existentialist list and
            > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
            > > topic
            > > > > ... unlike your
            > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
            > > > > >
            > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
            you
            > > > > are!!! (Read your
            > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
            > > > > Existentialist list
            > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
            supposed
            > > to
            > > > > be. I piss on
            > > > > > every one of them!
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
            me.
            > > It's
            > > > > rude and shows
            > > > > > your incompetence.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
            > > Existentialist
            > > > > list you can shove
            > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
            where
            > > your
            > > > > head is!!!!! You
            > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Mark
            > > > > >
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          • Sue McPherson
            Wrong answer, eduard. That s one. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
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              Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.

              Sue McPherson

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


              > Sue,
              >
              > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
              >
              > eduard
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              >
              >
              > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
              > this now, to the
              > > list.
              > >
              > > Sue McPherson
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              > >
              > >
              > > > Sue,
              > > >
              > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
              > to
              > > > make a big deal of it.
              > > >
              > > > eduard
              > > >
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
              > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
              > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
              > > > being so disruptive.
              > > > >
              > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
              > have
              > > > A VERY POOR
              > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
              > > > >
              > > > > Sue McPherson
              > > > >
              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
              > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > MODERATOR
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > > Chris,
              > > > > >
              > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
              > mean,
              > > > he
              > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
              > > > moderates a
              > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
              > > > members!!
              > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
              > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
              > > > list.
              > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
              > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
              > refused
              > > > to do
              > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
              > > > every
              > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
              > > > have it
              > > > > > both ways.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
              > you to
              > > > the
              > > > > > public.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
              > posts
              > > > [I
              > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
              > > > only
              > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
              > input.
              > > > Of
              > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
              > interested
              > > > in
              > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
              > task to
              > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
              > to
              > > > wrap
              > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > eduard
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
              > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
              > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > MODERATOR
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
              > > > co-moderators
              > > > > > immediately, two
              > > > > > > years ago.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
              > for
              > > > > > academic reasons.
              > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
              > > > were
              > > > > > quite helpful during
              > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
              > > > contributor
              > > > > > and I miss his
              > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
              > work, I
              > > > > > believe, and Yulian
              > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
              > > > > > unavailable to manage the
              > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
              > > > community
              > > > > > dynamics.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
              > cannot be
              > > > one
              > > > > > dictator in
              > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
              > a
              > > > > > country. This forum is
              > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
              > newsgroups
              > > > and
              > > > > > mailing lists.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
              > like
              > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
              > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
              > him.
              > > > I
              > > > > > merely sought to
              > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
              > > > acceptable.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
              > > > offensive, in
              > > > > > my opinion. I'm
              > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
              > an
              > > > > > accident years ago and
              > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
              > my
              > > > > > fault; I chose to race
              > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
              > made
              > > > the
              > > > > > decisions leading
              > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
              > > > moderators, I
              > > > > > suppose?
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
              > > > pretty
              > > > > > darn well in
              > > > > > > life...
              > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
              > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
              > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
              > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
              > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
              > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
              > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
              > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > > > MODERATOR
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
              > > > others.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
              > > > nooist
              > > > > > / Existentialist
              > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
              > evidence
              > > > many
              > > > > > times about Eduard
              > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
              > > > That
              > > > > > is irresponsible
              > > > > > > management and incompetence.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
              > to
              > > > chat >
              > > > > > on other topics.
              > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
              > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
              > be
              > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
              > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
              > out
              > > > of
              > > > > > the race and
              > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
              > > > > > position. I notice you
              > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
              > > > personally
              > > > > > > and his silly
              > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
              > > > temporary
              > > > > > kick.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
              > put
              > > > up
              > > > > > with his repeated
              > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
              > why
              > > > I
              > > > > > repeatedly
              > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
              > nothing
              > > > on
              > > > > > his nooist /
              > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
              > is
              > > > a
              > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
              > > > > > mismanagement. Your
              > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
              > and
              > > > > > no-one was there to
              > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
              > to
              > > > you
              > > > > > and still you
              > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
              > > > over
              > > > > > 300 members but only
              > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
              > > > topic!
              > > > > > You did not make
              > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
              > suggested
              > > > the
              > > > > > use of other
              > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
              > last
              > > > few
              > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
              > Existentialist
              > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
              > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
              > > > > > positivist science. I
              > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
              > failed
              > > > to
              > > > > > act appropriately!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
              > > > > > Existentialist list as was
              > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
              > caused
              > > > by
              > > > > > your lack of
              > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
              > > > intervention.
              > > > > > No contigency
              > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
              > after a
              > > > > > flood of complaints
              > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
              > inaction...
              > > > you
              > > > > > gave me a booting
              > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
              > ONLY
              > > > person
              > > > > > who was willing
              > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
              > its
              > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
              > > > > > > the posts!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
              > ignorant
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
              > and
              > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
              > > > mailbox --
              > > > > > which ...
              > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
              > even
              > > > > > bother to read my
              > > > > > > posts and complaints????
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
              > Anglo-Saxon
              > > > word
              > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
              > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
              > and
              > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
              > > > Existentialist
              > > > > > list without
              > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
              > inept,
              > > > > > lacking insight and
              > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
              > the
              > > > heat
              > > > > > of anger and
              > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
              > mismanagement
              > > > and
              > > > > > incompetence.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
              > Existentialist
              > > > list
              > > > > > better ... if it
              > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
              > great
              > > > > > ignorance on his part."
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
              > new
              > > > list.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
              > as
              > > > I
              > > > > > repeatedly pointed
              > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
              > > > elsewhere
              > > > > > or in the past.
              > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
              > achievments
              > > > ...
              > > > > > much larger than
              > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
              > > > > > Existentialist list and
              > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
              > > > topic
              > > > > > ... unlike your
              > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
              > you
              > > > > > are!!! (Read your
              > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
              > > > > > Existentialist list
              > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
              > supposed
              > > > to
              > > > > > be. I piss on
              > > > > > > every one of them!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
              > me.
              > > > It's
              > > > > > rude and shows
              > > > > > > your incompetence.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
              > > > Existentialist
              > > > > > list you can shove
              > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
              > where
              > > > your
              > > > > > head is!!!!! You
              > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Mark
              > > > > > >
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            • yeoman
              what s one?? ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re:
              Message 6 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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                what's one??

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                >
                > Sue McPherson
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                >
                >
                > > Sue,
                > >
                > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                > >
                > > eduard
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > >
                > >
                > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                to
                > > this now, to the
                > > > list.
                > > >
                > > > Sue McPherson
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                MODERATOR
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > > Sue,
                > > > >
                > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                trying
                > > to
                > > > > make a big deal of it.
                > > > >
                > > > > eduard
                > > > >
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                <sue@...>
                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                MODERATOR
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                for
                > > > > being so disruptive.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                to
                > > have
                > > > > A VERY POOR
                > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Sue McPherson
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > MODERATOR
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > > Chris,
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                I
                > > mean,
                > > > > he
                > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                > > > > moderates a
                > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                600
                > > > > members!!
                > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                so.
                > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                your
                > > > > list.
                > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                messages
                > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                > > refused
                > > > > to do
                > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                and
                > > > > every
                > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                cant
                > > > > have it
                > > > > > > both ways.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                exposes
                > > you to
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > public.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                the
                > > posts
                > > > > [I
                > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                has
                > > > > only
                > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                of
                > > input.
                > > > > Of
                > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                > > interested
                > > > > in
                > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                > > task to
                > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                credentials
                > > to
                > > > > wrap
                > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                superiority.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > eduard
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                <existlist1@...>
                > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                > > > > co-moderators
                > > > > > > immediately, two
                > > > > > > > years ago.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                on
                > > for
                > > > > > > academic reasons.
                > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                Diana A
                > > > > were
                > > > > > > quite helpful during
                > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                > > > > contributor
                > > > > > > and I miss his
                > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                > > work, I
                > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                being
                > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                > > > > community
                > > > > > > dynamics.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                > > cannot be
                > > > > one
                > > > > > > dictator in
                > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                or
                > > a
                > > > > > > country. This forum is
                > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                > > newsgroups
                > > > > and
                > > > > > > mailing lists.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                > > like
                > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                killed
                > > him.
                > > > > I
                > > > > > > merely sought to
                > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                > > > > acceptable.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                > > > > offensive, in
                > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                again.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                had
                > > an
                > > > > > > accident years ago and
                > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                was
                > > my
                > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                . I
                > > made
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > decisions leading
                > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                > > > > moderators, I
                > > > > > > suppose?
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                do
                > > > > pretty
                > > > > > > darn well in
                > > > > > > > life...
                > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                and
                > > > > others.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                your
                > > > > nooist
                > > > > > > / Existentialist
                > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                > > evidence
                > > > > many
                > > > > > > times about Eduard
                > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                management!
                > > > > That
                > > > > > > is irresponsible
                > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                pleased
                > > to
                > > > > chat >
                > > > > > > on other topics.
                > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                to
                > > be
                > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                pulled
                > > out
                > > > > of
                > > > > > > the race and
                > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                the
                > > > > > > position. I notice you
                > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                > > > > personally
                > > > > > > > and his silly
                > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                then
                > > > > temporary
                > > > > > > kick.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                I
                > > put
                > > > > up
                > > > > > > with his repeated
                > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                is
                > > why
                > > > > I
                > > > > > > repeatedly
                > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                > > nothing
                > > > > on
                > > > > > > his nooist /
                > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                that
                > > is
                > > > > a
                > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                gross
                > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                moderation
                > > and
                > > > > > > no-one was there to
                > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                out
                > > to
                > > > > you
                > > > > > > and still you
                > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                lis
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                are
                > > > > over
                > > > > > > 300 members but only
                > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                on
                > > > > topic!
                > > > > > > You did not make
                > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                > > suggested
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > use of other
                > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                yours!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                The
                > > last
                > > > > few
                > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                and
                > > > > > > positivist science. I
                > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                you
                > > failed
                > > > > to
                > > > > > > act appropriately!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                > > caused
                > > > > by
                > > > > > > your lack of
                > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                > > > > intervention.
                > > > > > > No contigency
                > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                > > after a
                > > > > > > flood of complaints
                > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                > > inaction...
                > > > > you
                > > > > > > gave me a booting
                > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                > > ONLY
                > > > > person
                > > > > > > who was willing
                > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                back to
                > > its
                > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                > > > > > > > the posts!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                > > ignorant
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                rude
                > > and
                > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                > > > > mailbox --
                > > > > > > which ...
                > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                you
                > > even
                > > > > > > bother to read my
                > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                > > Anglo-Saxon
                > > > > word
                > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                incompetence
                > > and
                > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                > > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > list without
                > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                both
                > > inept,
                > > > > > > lacking insight and
                > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                in
                > > the
                > > > > heat
                > > > > > > of anger and
                > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                > > mismanagement
                > > > > and
                > > > > > > incompetence.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                > > Existentialist
                > > > > list
                > > > > > > better ... if it
                > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                > > great
                > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                my
                > > new
                > > > > list.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                ...
                > > as
                > > > > I
                > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                done
                > > > > elsewhere
                > > > > > > or in the past.
                > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                > > achievments
                > > > > ...
                > > > > > > much larger than
                > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                nooist /
                > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                Stay on
                > > > > topic
                > > > > > > ... unlike your
                > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                great
                > > you
                > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                nooist /
                > > > > > > Existentialist list
                > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                > > supposed
                > > > > to
                > > > > > > be. I piss on
                > > > > > > > every one of them!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                booted
                > > me.
                > > > > It's
                > > > > > > rude and shows
                > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                > > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > > list you can shove
                > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                arse
                > > where
                > > > > your
                > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Mark
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
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              • Sue McPherson
                Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
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                  Try a little harder to get along!
                  There's no need for such impertinence.

                  Sue McPherson

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                  > what's one??
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  >
                  >
                  > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                  > >
                  > > Sue McPherson
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > Sue,
                  > > >
                  > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                  > > >
                  > > > eduard
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                  > to
                  > > > this now, to the
                  > > > > list.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > MODERATOR
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > Sue,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                  > trying
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                  > <sue@...>
                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > MODERATOR
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                  > for
                  > > > > > being so disruptive.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                  > to
                  > > > have
                  > > > > > A VERY POOR
                  > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                  > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Chris,
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                  > I
                  > > > mean,
                  > > > > > he
                  > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                  > > > > > moderates a
                  > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                  > 600
                  > > > > > members!!
                  > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                  > so.
                  > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                  > your
                  > > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                  > messages
                  > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                  > > > refused
                  > > > > > to do
                  > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                  > and
                  > > > > > every
                  > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                  > cant
                  > > > > > have it
                  > > > > > > > both ways.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                  > exposes
                  > > > you to
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > public.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                  > the
                  > > > posts
                  > > > > > [I
                  > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                  > has
                  > > > > > only
                  > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                  > of
                  > > > input.
                  > > > > > Of
                  > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                  > > > interested
                  > > > > > in
                  > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                  > > > task to
                  > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                  > credentials
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > wrap
                  > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                  > superiority.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                  > <existlist1@...>
                  > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                  > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                  > > > > > co-moderators
                  > > > > > > > immediately, two
                  > > > > > > > > years ago.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                  > on
                  > > > for
                  > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                  > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                  > Diana A
                  > > > > > were
                  > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                  > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                  > > > > > contributor
                  > > > > > > > and I miss his
                  > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                  > > > work, I
                  > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                  > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                  > being
                  > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                  > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                  > > > > > community
                  > > > > > > > dynamics.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                  > > > cannot be
                  > > > > > one
                  > > > > > > > dictator in
                  > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                  > or
                  > > > a
                  > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                  > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                  > > > newsgroups
                  > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                  > > > like
                  > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                  > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                  > killed
                  > > > him.
                  > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > merely sought to
                  > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                  > > > > > acceptable.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                  > > > > > offensive, in
                  > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                  > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                  > again.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                  > had
                  > > > an
                  > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                  > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                  > was
                  > > > my
                  > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                  > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                  > . I
                  > > > made
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > decisions leading
                  > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                  > > > > > moderators, I
                  > > > > > > > suppose?
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                  > do
                  > > > > > pretty
                  > > > > > > > darn well in
                  > > > > > > > > life...
                  > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                  > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                  > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                  > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                  > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                  > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                  > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                  > and
                  > > > > > others.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                  > your
                  > > > > > nooist
                  > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                  > > > evidence
                  > > > > > many
                  > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                  > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                  > management!
                  > > > > > That
                  > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                  > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                  > pleased
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > chat >
                  > > > > > > > on other topics.
                  > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                  > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                  > to
                  > > > be
                  > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                  > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                  > pulled
                  > > > out
                  > > > > > of
                  > > > > > > > the race and
                  > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                  > the
                  > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                  > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                  > > > > > personally
                  > > > > > > > > and his silly
                  > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                  > then
                  > > > > > temporary
                  > > > > > > > kick.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                  > I
                  > > > put
                  > > > > > up
                  > > > > > > > with his repeated
                  > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                  > is
                  > > > why
                  > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > repeatedly
                  > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                  > > > nothing
                  > > > > > on
                  > > > > > > > his nooist /
                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                  > that
                  > > > is
                  > > > > > a
                  > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                  > gross
                  > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                  > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                  > moderation
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                  > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                  > out
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > and still you
                  > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                  > lis
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                  > are
                  > > > > > over
                  > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                  > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                  > on
                  > > > > > topic!
                  > > > > > > > You did not make
                  > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                  > > > suggested
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > > use of other
                  > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                  > yours!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                  > The
                  > > > last
                  > > > > > few
                  > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                  > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                  > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                  > and
                  > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                  > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                  > you
                  > > > failed
                  > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                  > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                  > > > caused
                  > > > > > by
                  > > > > > > > your lack of
                  > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                  > > > > > intervention.
                  > > > > > > > No contigency
                  > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                  > > > after a
                  > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                  > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                  > > > inaction...
                  > > > > > you
                  > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                  > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                  > > > ONLY
                  > > > > > person
                  > > > > > > > who was willing
                  > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                  > back to
                  > > > its
                  > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                  > > > > > > > > the posts!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                  > > > ignorant
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                  > rude
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                  > > > > > mailbox --
                  > > > > > > > which ...
                  > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                  > you
                  > > > even
                  > > > > > > > bother to read my
                  > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                  > > > Anglo-Saxon
                  > > > > > word
                  > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                  > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                  > incompetence
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                  > > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list without
                  > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                  > both
                  > > > inept,
                  > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                  > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                  > in
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > heat
                  > > > > > > > of anger and
                  > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                  > > > mismanagement
                  > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > > incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                  > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > list
                  > > > > > > > better ... if it
                  > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                  > > > great
                  > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                  > my
                  > > > new
                  > > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                  > ...
                  > > > as
                  > > > > > I
                  > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                  > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                  > done
                  > > > > > elsewhere
                  > > > > > > > or in the past.
                  > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                  > > > achievments
                  > > > > > ...
                  > > > > > > > much larger than
                  > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                  > nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                  > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                  > Stay on
                  > > > > > topic
                  > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                  > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                  > great
                  > > > you
                  > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                  > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                  > nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                  > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                  > > > supposed
                  > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                  > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                  > booted
                  > > > me.
                  > > > > > It's
                  > > > > > > > rude and shows
                  > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                  > > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list you can shove
                  > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                  > arse
                  > > > where
                  > > > > > your
                  > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                  > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Mark
                  > > > > > > > >
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                • Lorna Landry
                  Eduard, Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris? Lorna yeoman wrote:Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
                  Message 8 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                    Eduard,
                    Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris?
                    Lorna

                    yeoman <yeoman@...> wrote:Chris,

                    It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                    has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                    group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                    And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                    Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

                    And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                    Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                    challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                    so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                    other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                    both ways.

                    Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                    public.

                    Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                    don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                    complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                    course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                    learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                    learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                    the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

                    eduard


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                    To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                    Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                    > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                    immediately, two
                    > years ago.
                    >
                    > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                    academic reasons.
                    > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                    quite helpful during
                    > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                    and I miss his
                    > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                    believe, and Yulian
                    > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                    >
                    > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                    unavailable to manage the
                    > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                    dynamics.
                    >
                    > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                    dictator in
                    > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                    country. This forum is
                    > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                    mailing lists.
                    >
                    > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                    Stalin. Get real...
                    > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                    merely sought to
                    > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                    >
                    > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                    my opinion. I'm
                    > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                    >
                    > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                    accident years ago and
                    > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                    fault; I chose to race
                    > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                    decisions leading
                    > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                    suppose?
                    >
                    > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                    darn well in
                    > life...
                    > - C. S. Wyatt
                    > http://www.tameri.com
                    > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                    [mailto:tindall@...]
                    > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                    > To: Exist List Moderator
                    > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    >
                    >
                    > Thank you for your reply.
                    >
                    >
                    > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                    >
                    >
                    > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                    / Existentialist
                    > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                    times about Eduard
                    > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                    is irresponsible
                    > management and incompetence.
                    >
                    >
                    > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                    on other topics.
                    > I think you will find they are more
                    > > responsible than most others on the list.
                    >
                    >
                    > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                    secondary Moderator. I
                    > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                    the race and
                    > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                    position. I notice you
                    > did not appoint Eduard!
                    >
                    >
                    > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                    > and his silly
                    > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                    kick.
                    >
                    >
                    > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                    with his repeated
                    > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                    repeatedly
                    > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                    his nooist /
                    > Existentialist list!!!
                    >
                    >
                    > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                    > > sign of mismanagement.
                    >
                    >
                    > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                    mismanagement. Your
                    > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                    no-one was there to
                    > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                    and still you
                    > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                    >
                    >
                    > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                    >
                    >
                    > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                    300 members but only
                    > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                    You did not make
                    > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                    use of other
                    > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                    >
                    >
                    > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                    > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                    >
                    >
                    > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                    list! ABSOLUTELY
                    > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                    positivist science. I
                    > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                    act appropriately!
                    >
                    >
                    > > Incapable of running a list?
                    >
                    > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                    Existentialist list as was
                    > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                    your lack of
                    > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                    No contigency
                    > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                    flood of complaints
                    > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                    gave me a booting
                    > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                    who was willing
                    > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                    aims ... ME! Read
                    > the posts!
                    >
                    >
                    > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                    >
                    > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                    ingorant. I quote:
                    >
                    > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                    which ...
                    > really ----ed me off big time."
                    >
                    > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                    bother to read my
                    > posts and complaints????
                    >
                    > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                    'pissed'??) You
                    > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                    > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    >
                    > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                    list without
                    > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                    lacking insight and
                    > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                    of anger and
                    > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                    incompetence.
                    >
                    > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                    >
                    >
                    > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                    better ... if it
                    > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                    >
                    > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                    >
                    > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                    ignorance on his part."
                    >
                    > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                    >
                    >
                    > > My web site barely hints at my works
                    >
                    > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                    repeatedly pointed
                    > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                    or in the past.
                    > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                    much larger than
                    > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                    Existentialist list and
                    > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                    ... unlike your
                    > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                    >
                    > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                    are!!! (Read your
                    > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                    Existentialist list
                    > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                    >
                    > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                    >
                    > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                    >
                    > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                    >
                    > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                    >
                    > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                    >
                    > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                    >
                    > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                    be. I piss on
                    > every one of them!
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > > I hope you decide to remain
                    >
                    >
                    > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                    rude and shows
                    > your incompetence.
                    >
                    > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                    list you can shove
                    > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                    head is!!!!! You
                    > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                    >
                    > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                    >
                    >
                    > Mark
                    >
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                    Gee...that sounds friendly... Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so
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                      Gee...that sounds friendly...
                      Lorna

                      Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

                      Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
                      GRASP ON REALITY

                      Sue McPherson

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                      Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                      > Chris,
                      >
                      > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                      > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                      > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                      > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                      > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                      >
                      > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                      > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                      > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                      > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                      > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                      > both ways.
                      >
                      > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                      > public.
                      >
                      > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                      > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                      > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                      > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                      > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                      > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                      > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                      >
                      > eduard
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                      > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                      > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      >
                      >
                      > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                      > immediately, two
                      > > years ago.
                      > >
                      > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                      > academic reasons.
                      > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                      > quite helpful during
                      > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                      > and I miss his
                      > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                      > believe, and Yulian
                      > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                      > >
                      > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                      > unavailable to manage the
                      > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                      > dynamics.
                      > >
                      > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                      > dictator in
                      > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                      > country. This forum is
                      > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                      > mailing lists.
                      > >
                      > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                      > Stalin. Get real...
                      > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                      > merely sought to
                      > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                      > >
                      > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                      > my opinion. I'm
                      > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                      > >
                      > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                      > accident years ago and
                      > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                      > fault; I chose to race
                      > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                      > decisions leading
                      > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                      > suppose?
                      > >
                      > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                      > darn well in
                      > > life...
                      > > - C. S. Wyatt
                      > > http://www.tameri.com
                      > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                      > [mailto:tindall@...]
                      > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                      > > To: Exist List Moderator
                      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Thank you for your reply.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                      > / Existentialist
                      > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                      > times about Eduard
                      > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                      > is irresponsible
                      > > management and incompetence.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                      > on other topics.
                      > > I think you will find they are more
                      > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                      > secondary Moderator. I
                      > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                      > the race and
                      > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                      > position. I notice you
                      > > did not appoint Eduard!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                      > > and his silly
                      > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                      > kick.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                      > with his repeated
                      > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                      > repeatedly
                      > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                      > his nooist /
                      > > Existentialist list!!!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                      > > > sign of mismanagement.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                      > mismanagement. Your
                      > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                      > no-one was there to
                      > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                      > and still you
                      > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                      > 300 members but only
                      > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                      > You did not make
                      > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                      > use of other
                      > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                      > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                      > list! ABSOLUTELY
                      > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                      > positivist science. I
                      > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                      > act appropriately!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > Incapable of running a list?
                      > >
                      > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                      > Existentialist list as was
                      > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                      > your lack of
                      > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                      > No contigency
                      > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                      > flood of complaints
                      > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                      > gave me a booting
                      > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                      > who was willing
                      > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                      > aims ... ME! Read
                      > > the posts!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                      > >
                      > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                      > ingorant. I quote:
                      > >
                      > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                      > which ...
                      > > really ----ed me off big time."
                      > >
                      > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                      > bother to read my
                      > > posts and complaints????
                      > >
                      > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                      > 'pissed'??) You
                      > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                      > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      > >
                      > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                      > list without
                      > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                      > lacking insight and
                      > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                      > of anger and
                      > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                      > incompetence.
                      > >
                      > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                      > better ... if it
                      > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                      > >
                      > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                      > >
                      > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                      > ignorance on his part."
                      > >
                      > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                      > >
                      > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                      > repeatedly pointed
                      > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                      > or in the past.
                      > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                      > much larger than
                      > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                      > Existentialist list and
                      > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                      > ... unlike your
                      > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                      > >
                      > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                      > are!!! (Read your
                      > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                      > Existentialist list
                      > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                      > >
                      > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                      > >
                      > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                      > >
                      > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                      > >
                      > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                      > >
                      > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                      > >
                      > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                      > >
                      > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                      > be. I piss on
                      > > every one of them!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > I hope you decide to remain
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                      > rude and shows
                      > > your incompetence.
                      > >
                      > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                      > list you can shove
                      > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                      > head is!!!!! You
                      > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                      > >
                      > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Mark
                      > >
                      > >
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                    • Lorna Landry
                      Take you own advice. Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue
                      Message 10 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                        Take you own advice.

                        Lorna




                        Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder to get along!
                        There's no need for such impertinence.

                        Sue McPherson

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                        > what's one??
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        >
                        >
                        > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                        > >
                        > > Sue McPherson
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Sue,
                        > > >
                        > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                        > > >
                        > > > eduard
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                        > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                        > to
                        > > > this now, to the
                        > > > > list.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > MODERATOR
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > Sue,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                        > trying
                        > > > to
                        > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                        > <sue@...>
                        > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > MODERATOR
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                        > for
                        > > > > > being so disruptive.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                        > to
                        > > > have
                        > > > > > A VERY POOR
                        > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Chris,
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                        > I
                        > > > mean,
                        > > > > > he
                        > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                        > > > > > moderates a
                        > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                        > 600
                        > > > > > members!!
                        > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                        > so.
                        > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                        > your
                        > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                        > messages
                        > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                        > > > refused
                        > > > > > to do
                        > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                        > and
                        > > > > > every
                        > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                        > cant
                        > > > > > have it
                        > > > > > > > both ways.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                        > exposes
                        > > > you to
                        > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > public.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                        > the
                        > > > posts
                        > > > > > [I
                        > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                        > has
                        > > > > > only
                        > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                        > of
                        > > > input.
                        > > > > > Of
                        > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                        > > > interested
                        > > > > > in
                        > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                        > > > task to
                        > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                        > credentials
                        > > > to
                        > > > > > wrap
                        > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                        > superiority.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > eduard
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                        > <existlist1@...>
                        > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                        > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                        > > > > > co-moderators
                        > > > > > > > immediately, two
                        > > > > > > > > years ago.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                        > on
                        > > > for
                        > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                        > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                        > Diana A
                        > > > > > were
                        > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                        > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                        > > > > > contributor
                        > > > > > > > and I miss his
                        > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                        > > > work, I
                        > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                        > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                        > being
                        > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                        > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                        > > > > > community
                        > > > > > > > dynamics.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                        > > > cannot be
                        > > > > > one
                        > > > > > > > dictator in
                        > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                        > or
                        > > > a
                        > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                        > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                        > > > newsgroups
                        > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                        > > > like
                        > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                        > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                        > killed
                        > > > him.
                        > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > merely sought to
                        > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                        > > > > > acceptable.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                        > > > > > offensive, in
                        > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                        > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                        > again.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                        > had
                        > > > an
                        > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                        > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                        > was
                        > > > my
                        > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                        > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                        > . I
                        > > > made
                        > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > decisions leading
                        > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                        > > > > > moderators, I
                        > > > > > > > suppose?
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                        > do
                        > > > > > pretty
                        > > > > > > > darn well in
                        > > > > > > > > life...
                        > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                        > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                        > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                        > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                        > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                        > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                        > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                        > > > > > MODERATOR
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                        > and
                        > > > > > others.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                        > your
                        > > > > > nooist
                        > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                        > > > evidence
                        > > > > > many
                        > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                        > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                        > management!
                        > > > > > That
                        > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                        > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                        > pleased
                        > > > to
                        > > > > > chat >
                        > > > > > > > on other topics.
                        > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                        > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                        > to
                        > > > be
                        > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                        > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                        > pulled
                        > > > out
                        > > > > > of
                        > > > > > > > the race and
                        > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                        > the
                        > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                        > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                        > > > > > personally
                        > > > > > > > > and his silly
                        > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                        > then
                        > > > > > temporary
                        > > > > > > > kick.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                        > I
                        > > > put
                        > > > > > up
                        > > > > > > > with his repeated
                        > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                        > is
                        > > > why
                        > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > repeatedly
                        > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                        > > > nothing
                        > > > > > on
                        > > > > > > > his nooist /
                        > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                        > that
                        > > > is
                        > > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                        > gross
                        > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                        > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                        > moderation
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                        > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                        > out
                        > > > to
                        > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > and still you
                        > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                        > lis
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                        > are
                        > > > > > over
                        > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                        > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                        > on
                        > > > > > topic!
                        > > > > > > > You did not make
                        > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                        > > > suggested
                        > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > use of other
                        > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                        > yours!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                        > The
                        > > > last
                        > > > > > few
                        > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                        > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                        > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                        > and
                        > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                        > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                        > you
                        > > > failed
                        > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                        > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                        > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                        > > > caused
                        > > > > > by
                        > > > > > > > your lack of
                        > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                        > > > > > intervention.
                        > > > > > > > No contigency
                        > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                        > > > after a
                        > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                        > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                        > > > inaction...
                        > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                        > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                        > > > ONLY
                        > > > > > person
                        > > > > > > > who was willing
                        > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                        > back to
                        > > > its
                        > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                        > > > > > > > > the posts!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                        > > > ignorant
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                        > rude
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                        > > > > > mailbox --
                        > > > > > > > which ...
                        > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                        > you
                        > > > even
                        > > > > > > > bother to read my
                        > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                        > > > Anglo-Saxon
                        > > > > > word
                        > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                        > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                        > incompetence
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                        > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > list without
                        > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                        > both
                        > > > inept,
                        > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                        > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                        > in
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > heat
                        > > > > > > > of anger and
                        > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                        > > > mismanagement
                        > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                        > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > list
                        > > > > > > > better ... if it
                        > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                        > > > great
                        > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                        > my
                        > > > new
                        > > > > > list.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                        > ...
                        > > > as
                        > > > > > I
                        > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                        > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                        > done
                        > > > > > elsewhere
                        > > > > > > > or in the past.
                        > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                        > > > achievments
                        > > > > > ...
                        > > > > > > > much larger than
                        > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                        > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                        > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                        > Stay on
                        > > > > > topic
                        > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                        > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                        > great
                        > > > you
                        > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                        > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                        > nooist /
                        > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                        > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                        > > > supposed
                        > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                        > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                        > booted
                        > > > me.
                        > > > > > It's
                        > > > > > > > rude and shows
                        > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                        > > > > > Existentialist
                        > > > > > > > list you can shove
                        > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                        > arse
                        > > > where
                        > > > > > your
                        > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                        > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
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                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
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                      • Sue McPherson
                        Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
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                          Mind your own business

                          Sue McPherson

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                          >
                          > Take you own advice.
                          >
                          > Lorna
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                          to get along!
                          > There's no need for such impertinence.
                          >
                          > Sue McPherson
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          >
                          >
                          > > what's one??
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                          > > >
                          > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Sue,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                          > > > >
                          > > > > eduard
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                          > > to
                          > > > > this now, to the
                          > > > > > list.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Sue,
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                          > > trying
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > eduard
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                          > > <sue@...>
                          > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                          > > for
                          > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                          > > to
                          > > > > have
                          > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                          > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                          > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Chris,
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                          > > I
                          > > > > mean,
                          > > > > > > he
                          > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                          > > > > > > moderates a
                          > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                          > > 600
                          > > > > > > members!!
                          > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                          > > so.
                          > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                          > > your
                          > > > > > > list.
                          > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                          > > messages
                          > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                          > > > > refused
                          > > > > > > to do
                          > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > every
                          > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                          > > cant
                          > > > > > > have it
                          > > > > > > > > both ways.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                          > > exposes
                          > > > > you to
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > public.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                          > > the
                          > > > > posts
                          > > > > > > [I
                          > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                          > > has
                          > > > > > > only
                          > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                          > > of
                          > > > > input.
                          > > > > > > Of
                          > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                          > > > > interested
                          > > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                          > > > > task to
                          > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                          > > credentials
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > wrap
                          > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                          > > superiority.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > eduard
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                          > > <existlist1@...>
                          > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                          > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                          > > > > > > co-moderators
                          > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                          > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                          > > on
                          > > > > for
                          > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                          > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                          > > Diana A
                          > > > > > > were
                          > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                          > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                          > > > > > > contributor
                          > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                          > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                          > > > > work, I
                          > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                          > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                          > > being
                          > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                          > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                          > > > > > > community
                          > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                          > > > > cannot be
                          > > > > > > one
                          > > > > > > > > dictator in
                          > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                          > > or
                          > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                          > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                          > > > > newsgroups
                          > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                          > > > > like
                          > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                          > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                          > > killed
                          > > > > him.
                          > > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                          > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                          > > > > > > acceptable.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                          > > > > > > offensive, in
                          > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                          > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                          > > again.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                          > > had
                          > > > > an
                          > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                          > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                          > > was
                          > > > > my
                          > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                          > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                          > > . I
                          > > > > made
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                          > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                          > > > > > > moderators, I
                          > > > > > > > > suppose?
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                          > > do
                          > > > > > > pretty
                          > > > > > > > > darn well in
                          > > > > > > > > > life...
                          > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                          > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                          > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                          > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                          > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                          > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                          > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > others.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                          > > your
                          > > > > > > nooist
                          > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                          > > > > evidence
                          > > > > > > many
                          > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                          > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                          > > management!
                          > > > > > > That
                          > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                          > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                          > > pleased
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > chat >
                          > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                          > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                          > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                          > > to
                          > > > > be
                          > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                          > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                          > > pulled
                          > > > > out
                          > > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > > the race and
                          > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                          > > the
                          > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                          > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                          > > > > > > personally
                          > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                          > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                          > > then
                          > > > > > > temporary
                          > > > > > > > > kick.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                          > > I
                          > > > > put
                          > > > > > > up
                          > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                          > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                          > > is
                          > > > > why
                          > > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                          > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                          > > > > nothing
                          > > > > > > on
                          > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                          > > that
                          > > > > is
                          > > > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                          > > gross
                          > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                          > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                          > > moderation
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                          > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                          > > out
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > and still you
                          > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                          > > lis
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                          > > are
                          > > > > > > over
                          > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                          > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                          > > on
                          > > > > > > topic!
                          > > > > > > > > You did not make
                          > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                          > > > > suggested
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > use of other
                          > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                          > > yours!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                          > > The
                          > > > > last
                          > > > > > > few
                          > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                          > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                          > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                          > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                          > > you
                          > > > > failed
                          > > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                          > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                          > > > > caused
                          > > > > > > by
                          > > > > > > > > your lack of
                          > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                          > > > > > > intervention.
                          > > > > > > > > No contigency
                          > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                          > > > > after a
                          > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                          > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                          > > > > inaction...
                          > > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                          > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                          > > > > ONLY
                          > > > > > > person
                          > > > > > > > > who was willing
                          > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                          > > back to
                          > > > > its
                          > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                          > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                          > > > > ignorant
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                          > > rude
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                          > > > > > > mailbox --
                          > > > > > > > > which ...
                          > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                          > > you
                          > > > > even
                          > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                          > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                          > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                          > > > > > > word
                          > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                          > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                          > > incompetence
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                          > > > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list without
                          > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                          > > both
                          > > > > inept,
                          > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                          > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                          > > in
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > > heat
                          > > > > > > > > of anger and
                          > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                          > > > > mismanagement
                          > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                          > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > list
                          > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                          > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                          > > > > great
                          > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                          > > my
                          > > > > new
                          > > > > > > list.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                          > > ...
                          > > > > as
                          > > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                          > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                          > > done
                          > > > > > > elsewhere
                          > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                          > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                          > > > > achievments
                          > > > > > > ...
                          > > > > > > > > much larger than
                          > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                          > > nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                          > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                          > > Stay on
                          > > > > > > topic
                          > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                          > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                          > > great
                          > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                          > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                          > > nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                          > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                          > > > > supposed
                          > > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                          > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                          > > booted
                          > > > > me.
                          > > > > > > It's
                          > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                          > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                          > > > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                          > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                          > > arse
                          > > > > where
                          > > > > > > your
                          > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                          > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Mark
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
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                        • manicpg
                          id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the business of being laughed at for being realists. let north meet south
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                            id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the
                            business of being laughed at for being realists.

                            let north meet south



                            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Sue McPherson" <sue@m...> wrote:
                            > Mind your own business
                            >
                            > Sue McPherson
                            >
                            >
                            > >
                            > > Take you own advice.
                            > >
                            > > Lorna
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                              Gladly.




                              Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                              Sue McPherson

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                              >
                              > Take you own advice.
                              >
                              > Lorna
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                              to get along!
                              > There's no need for such impertinence.
                              >
                              > Sue McPherson
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              >
                              >
                              > > what's one??
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                              > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                              > > >
                              > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Sue,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                              > > > >
                              > > > > eduard
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                              > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                              > > to
                              > > > > this now, to the
                              > > > > > list.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Sue,
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                              > > trying
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > eduard
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                              > > <sue@...>
                              > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                              > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                              > > for
                              > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                              > > to
                              > > > > have
                              > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                              > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                              > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Chris,
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                              > > I
                              > > > > mean,
                              > > > > > > he
                              > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                              > > > > > > moderates a
                              > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                              > > 600
                              > > > > > > members!!
                              > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                              > > so.
                              > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                              > > your
                              > > > > > > list.
                              > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                              > > messages
                              > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                              > > > > refused
                              > > > > > > to do
                              > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > every
                              > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                              > > cant
                              > > > > > > have it
                              > > > > > > > > both ways.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                              > > exposes
                              > > > > you to
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > public.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                              > > the
                              > > > > posts
                              > > > > > > [I
                              > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                              > > has
                              > > > > > > only
                              > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                              > > of
                              > > > > input.
                              > > > > > > Of
                              > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                              > > > > interested
                              > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                              > > > > task to
                              > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                              > > credentials
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > wrap
                              > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                              > > superiority.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > eduard
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                              > > <existlist1@...>
                              > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                              > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                              > > > > > > co-moderators
                              > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                              > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                              > > on
                              > > > > for
                              > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                              > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                              > > Diana A
                              > > > > > > were
                              > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                              > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                              > > > > > > contributor
                              > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                              > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                              > > > > work, I
                              > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                              > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                              > > being
                              > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                              > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                              > > > > > > community
                              > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                              > > > > cannot be
                              > > > > > > one
                              > > > > > > > > dictator in
                              > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                              > > or
                              > > > > a
                              > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                              > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                              > > > > newsgroups
                              > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                              > > > > like
                              > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                              > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                              > > killed
                              > > > > him.
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                              > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                              > > > > > > acceptable.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                              > > > > > > offensive, in
                              > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                              > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                              > > again.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                              > > had
                              > > > > an
                              > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                              > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                              > > was
                              > > > > my
                              > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                              > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                              > > . I
                              > > > > made
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                              > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                              > > > > > > moderators, I
                              > > > > > > > > suppose?
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                              > > do
                              > > > > > > pretty
                              > > > > > > > > darn well in
                              > > > > > > > > > life...
                              > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                              > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                              > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                              > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                              > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                              > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                              > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > > > > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > others.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                              > > your
                              > > > > > > nooist
                              > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                              > > > > evidence
                              > > > > > > many
                              > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                              > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                              > > management!
                              > > > > > > That
                              > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                              > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                              > > pleased
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > chat >
                              > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                              > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                              > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                              > > to
                              > > > > be
                              > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                              > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                              > > pulled
                              > > > > out
                              > > > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > > the race and
                              > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                              > > the
                              > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                              > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                              > > > > > > personally
                              > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                              > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                              > > then
                              > > > > > > temporary
                              > > > > > > > > kick.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                              > > I
                              > > > > put
                              > > > > > > up
                              > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                              > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                              > > is
                              > > > > why
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                              > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                              > > > > nothing
                              > > > > > > on
                              > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                              > > that
                              > > > > is
                              > > > > > > a
                              > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                              > > gross
                              > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                              > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                              > > moderation
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                              > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                              > > out
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > and still you
                              > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                              > > lis
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                              > > are
                              > > > > > > over
                              > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                              > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                              > > on
                              > > > > > > topic!
                              > > > > > > > > You did not make
                              > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                              > > > > suggested
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > use of other
                              > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                              > > yours!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                              > > The
                              > > > > last
                              > > > > > > few
                              > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                              > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                              > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                              > > you
                              > > > > failed
                              > > > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                              > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                              > > > > caused
                              > > > > > > by
                              > > > > > > > > your lack of
                              > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                              > > > > > > intervention.
                              > > > > > > > > No contigency
                              > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                              > > > > after a
                              > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                              > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                              > > > > inaction...
                              > > > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                              > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                              > > > > ONLY
                              > > > > > > person
                              > > > > > > > > who was willing
                              > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                              > > back to
                              > > > > its
                              > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                              > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                              > > > > ignorant
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                              > > rude
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                              > > > > > > mailbox --
                              > > > > > > > > which ...
                              > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                              > > you
                              > > > > even
                              > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                              > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                              > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                              > > > > > > word
                              > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                              > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                              > > incompetence
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                              > > > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > > > list without
                              > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                              > > both
                              > > > > inept,
                              > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                              > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                              > > in
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > > > heat
                              > > > > > > > > of anger and
                              > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                              > > > > mismanagement
                              > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist
                              > > > > > > list
                              > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                              > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                              > > > > great
                              > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                              > > my
                              > > > > new
                              > > > > > > list.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                              > > ...
                              > > > > as
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                              > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                              > > done
                              > > > > > > elsewhere
                              > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                              > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                              > > > > achievments
                              > > > > > > ...
                              > > > > > > > > much larger than
                              > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                              > > nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                              > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                              > > Stay on
                              > > > > > > topic
                              > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                              > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                              > > great
                              > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                              > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                              > > nooist /
                              > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                              > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                              > > > > supposed
                              > > > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                              > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
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                              > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                              > > booted
                              > > > > me.
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                              > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                              > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                              > > > > > > Existentialist
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                              > > arse
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                            • Lorna Landry
                              AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I M WRONG. LORNA Sue
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                                AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

                                LORNA




                                Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                                Sue McPherson

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                >
                                > Take you own advice.
                                >
                                > Lorna
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                                to get along!
                                > There's no need for such impertinence.
                                >
                                > Sue McPherson
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                >
                                >
                                > > what's one??
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                > > >
                                > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > Sue,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                > > > >
                                > > > > eduard
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                > > to
                                > > > > this now, to the
                                > > > > > list.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Sue,
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                > > trying
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > eduard
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                > > <sue@...>
                                > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                > > for
                                > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                > > to
                                > > > > have
                                > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Chris,
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                > > I
                                > > > > mean,
                                > > > > > > he
                                > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                > > > > > > moderates a
                                > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                > > 600
                                > > > > > > members!!
                                > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                > > so.
                                > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                > > your
                                > > > > > > list.
                                > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                > > messages
                                > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                > > > > refused
                                > > > > > > to do
                                > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                > > and
                                > > > > > > every
                                > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                > > cant
                                > > > > > > have it
                                > > > > > > > > both ways.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                > > exposes
                                > > > > you to
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > public.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                > > the
                                > > > > posts
                                > > > > > > [I
                                > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                > > has
                                > > > > > > only
                                > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                > > of
                                > > > > input.
                                > > > > > > Of
                                > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                > > > > interested
                                > > > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                > > > > task to
                                > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                > > credentials
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > wrap
                                > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                > > superiority.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > eduard
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                > > <existlist1@...>
                                > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                > > > > > > co-moderators
                                > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                > > on
                                > > > > for
                                > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                > > Diana A
                                > > > > > > were
                                > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                > > > > > > contributor
                                > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                > > > > work, I
                                > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                > > being
                                > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                > > > > > > community
                                > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                > > > > cannot be
                                > > > > > > one
                                > > > > > > > > dictator in
                                > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                > > or
                                > > > > a
                                > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                > > > > newsgroups
                                > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                > > > > like
                                > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                > > killed
                                > > > > him.
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                > > > > > > acceptable.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                > > > > > > offensive, in
                                > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                > > again.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                > > had
                                > > > > an
                                > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                > > was
                                > > > > my
                                > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                > > . I
                                > > > > made
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                > > > > > > moderators, I
                                > > > > > > > > suppose?
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                > > do
                                > > > > > > pretty
                                > > > > > > > > darn well in
                                > > > > > > > > > life...
                                > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                > > and
                                > > > > > > others.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                > > your
                                > > > > > > nooist
                                > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                > > > > evidence
                                > > > > > > many
                                > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                > > management!
                                > > > > > > That
                                > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                > > pleased
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > chat >
                                > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                > > to
                                > > > > be
                                > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                > > pulled
                                > > > > out
                                > > > > > > of
                                > > > > > > > > the race and
                                > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                > > the
                                > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                > > > > > > personally
                                > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                > > then
                                > > > > > > temporary
                                > > > > > > > > kick.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                > > I
                                > > > > put
                                > > > > > > up
                                > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                > > is
                                > > > > why
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                > > > > nothing
                                > > > > > > on
                                > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                > > that
                                > > > > is
                                > > > > > > a
                                > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                > > gross
                                > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                > > moderation
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                > > out
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > and still you
                                > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                > > lis
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                > > are
                                > > > > > > over
                                > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                > > on
                                > > > > > > topic!
                                > > > > > > > > You did not make
                                > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                > > > > suggested
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > use of other
                                > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                > > yours!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                > > The
                                > > > > last
                                > > > > > > few
                                > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                > > and
                                > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                > > you
                                > > > > failed
                                > > > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                > > > > caused
                                > > > > > > by
                                > > > > > > > > your lack of
                                > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                > > > > > > intervention.
                                > > > > > > > > No contigency
                                > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                > > > > after a
                                > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                > > > > inaction...
                                > > > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                > > > > ONLY
                                > > > > > > person
                                > > > > > > > > who was willing
                                > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                > > back to
                                > > > > its
                                > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                > > > > ignorant
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                > > rude
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                > > > > > > mailbox --
                                > > > > > > > > which ...
                                > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                > > you
                                > > > > even
                                > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                > > > > > > word
                                > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                > > incompetence
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                > > > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > list without
                                > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                > > both
                                > > > > inept,
                                > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                > > in
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > > heat
                                > > > > > > > > of anger and
                                > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                > > > > mismanagement
                                > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > list
                                > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                > > > > great
                                > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                > > my
                                > > > > new
                                > > > > > > list.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                > > ...
                                > > > > as
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                > > done
                                > > > > > > elsewhere
                                > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                > > > > achievments
                                > > > > > > ...
                                > > > > > > > > much larger than
                                > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                > > nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                > > Stay on
                                > > > > > > topic
                                > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                > > great
                                > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                > > nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                > > > > supposed
                                > > > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                > > booted
                                > > > > me.
                                > > > > > > It's
                                > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                > > > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                > > arse
                                > > > > where
                                > > > > > > your
                                > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Mark
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
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