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  • yeoman
    Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he has a library larger than anyone else s, and he moderates a group with 600 members. Did you
    Message 1 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
      Chris,

      It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
      has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
      group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
      And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
      Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

      And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
      Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
      challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
      so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
      other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
      both ways.

      Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
      public.

      Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
      don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
      complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
      course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
      learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
      learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
      the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

      eduard


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
      To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
      Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


      > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
      immediately, two
      > years ago.
      >
      > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
      academic reasons.
      > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
      quite helpful during
      > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
      and I miss his
      > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
      believe, and Yulian
      > was seeking an appointment to a university.
      >
      > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
      unavailable to manage the
      > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
      dynamics.
      >
      > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
      dictator in
      > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
      country. This forum is
      > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
      mailing lists.
      >
      > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
      Stalin. Get real...
      > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
      merely sought to
      > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
      >
      > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
      my opinion. I'm
      > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
      >
      > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
      accident years ago and
      > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
      fault; I chose to race
      > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
      decisions leading
      > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
      suppose?
      >
      > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
      darn well in
      > life...
      > - C. S. Wyatt
      > http://www.tameri.com
      > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
      [mailto:tindall@...]
      > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
      > To: Exist List Moderator
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
      >
      >
      > Thank you for your reply.
      >
      >
      > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
      >
      >
      > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
      / Existentialist
      > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
      times about Eduard
      > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
      is irresponsible
      > management and incompetence.
      >
      >
      > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
      on other topics.
      > I think you will find they are more
      > > responsible than most others on the list.
      >
      >
      > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
      secondary Moderator. I
      > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
      the race and
      > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
      position. I notice you
      > did not appoint Eduard!
      >
      >
      > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
      > and his silly
      > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
      kick.
      >
      >
      > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
      with his repeated
      > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
      repeatedly
      > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
      his nooist /
      > Existentialist list!!!
      >
      >
      > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
      > > sign of mismanagement.
      >
      >
      > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
      mismanagement. Your
      > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
      no-one was there to
      > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
      and still you
      > failed to act. That is incompetence!
      >
      >
      > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
      >
      >
      > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
      300 members but only
      > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
      You did not make
      > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
      use of other
      > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
      >
      >
      > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
      > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
      >
      >
      > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
      list! ABSOLUTELY
      > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
      positivist science. I
      > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
      act appropriately!
      >
      >
      > > Incapable of running a list?
      >
      > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
      Existentialist list as was
      > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
      your lack of
      > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
      No contigency
      > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
      flood of complaints
      > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
      gave me a booting
      > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
      who was willing
      > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
      aims ... ME! Read
      > the posts!
      >
      >
      > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
      >
      > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
      ingorant. I quote:
      >
      > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
      which ...
      > really ----ed me off big time."
      >
      > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
      bother to read my
      > posts and complaints????
      >
      > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
      'pissed'??) You
      > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
      > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      >
      > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
      list without
      > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
      lacking insight and
      > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
      of anger and
      > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
      incompetence.
      >
      > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
      >
      >
      > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
      better ... if it
      > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
      >
      > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
      >
      > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
      ignorance on his part."
      >
      > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
      >
      >
      > > My web site barely hints at my works
      >
      > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
      repeatedly pointed
      > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
      or in the past.
      > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
      much larger than
      > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
      Existentialist list and
      > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
      ... unlike your
      > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
      >
      > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
      are!!! (Read your
      > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
      Existentialist list
      > demonstrates the opposite!!!
      >
      > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
      >
      > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
      >
      > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
      >
      > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
      >
      > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
      >
      > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
      >
      > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
      be. I piss on
      > every one of them!
      >
      >
      >
      > > I hope you decide to remain
      >
      >
      > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
      rude and shows
      > your incompetence.
      >
      > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
      list you can shove
      > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
      head is!!!!! You
      > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
      >
      > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
      >
      >
      > Mark
      >
      >
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      >
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    • Sue McPherson
      If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive. Or maybe she ll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR GRASP ON
      Message 2 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
        If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

        Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
        GRASP ON REALITY

        Sue McPherson

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


        > Chris,
        >
        > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
        > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
        > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
        > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
        > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
        >
        > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
        > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
        > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
        > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
        > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
        > both ways.
        >
        > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
        > public.
        >
        > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
        > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
        > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
        > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
        > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
        > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
        > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
        >
        > eduard
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
        > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
        > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        >
        >
        > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
        > immediately, two
        > > years ago.
        > >
        > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
        > academic reasons.
        > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
        > quite helpful during
        > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
        > and I miss his
        > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
        > believe, and Yulian
        > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
        > >
        > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
        > unavailable to manage the
        > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
        > dynamics.
        > >
        > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
        > dictator in
        > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
        > country. This forum is
        > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
        > mailing lists.
        > >
        > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
        > Stalin. Get real...
        > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
        > merely sought to
        > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
        > >
        > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
        > my opinion. I'm
        > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
        > >
        > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
        > accident years ago and
        > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
        > fault; I chose to race
        > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
        > decisions leading
        > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
        > suppose?
        > >
        > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
        > darn well in
        > > life...
        > > - C. S. Wyatt
        > > http://www.tameri.com
        > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
        > [mailto:tindall@...]
        > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
        > > To: Exist List Moderator
        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
        > >
        > >
        > > Thank you for your reply.
        > >
        > >
        > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
        > >
        > >
        > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
        > / Existentialist
        > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
        > times about Eduard
        > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
        > is irresponsible
        > > management and incompetence.
        > >
        > >
        > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
        > on other topics.
        > > I think you will find they are more
        > > > responsible than most others on the list.
        > >
        > >
        > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
        > secondary Moderator. I
        > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
        > the race and
        > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
        > position. I notice you
        > > did not appoint Eduard!
        > >
        > >
        > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
        > > and his silly
        > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
        > kick.
        > >
        > >
        > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
        > with his repeated
        > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
        > repeatedly
        > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
        > his nooist /
        > > Existentialist list!!!
        > >
        > >
        > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
        > > > sign of mismanagement.
        > >
        > >
        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
        > mismanagement. Your
        > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
        > no-one was there to
        > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
        > and still you
        > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
        > >
        > >
        > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
        > >
        > >
        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
        > 300 members but only
        > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
        > You did not make
        > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
        > use of other
        > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
        > >
        > >
        > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
        > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
        > >
        > >
        > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
        > list! ABSOLUTELY
        > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
        > positivist science. I
        > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
        > act appropriately!
        > >
        > >
        > > > Incapable of running a list?
        > >
        > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
        > Existentialist list as was
        > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
        > your lack of
        > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
        > No contigency
        > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
        > flood of complaints
        > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
        > gave me a booting
        > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
        > who was willing
        > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
        > aims ... ME! Read
        > > the posts!
        > >
        > >
        > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
        > >
        > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
        > ingorant. I quote:
        > >
        > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
        > which ...
        > > really ----ed me off big time."
        > >
        > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
        > bother to read my
        > > posts and complaints????
        > >
        > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
        > 'pissed'??) You
        > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
        > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        > >
        > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
        > list without
        > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
        > lacking insight and
        > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
        > of anger and
        > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
        > incompetence.
        > >
        > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
        > >
        > >
        > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
        > better ... if it
        > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
        > >
        > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
        > >
        > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
        > ignorance on his part."
        > >
        > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
        > >
        > >
        > > > My web site barely hints at my works
        > >
        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
        > repeatedly pointed
        > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
        > or in the past.
        > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
        > much larger than
        > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
        > Existentialist list and
        > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
        > ... unlike your
        > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
        > >
        > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
        > are!!! (Read your
        > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
        > Existentialist list
        > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
        > >
        > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
        > >
        > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
        > >
        > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
        > >
        > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
        > >
        > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
        > >
        > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
        > >
        > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
        > be. I piss on
        > > every one of them!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > > I hope you decide to remain
        > >
        > >
        > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
        > rude and shows
        > > your incompetence.
        > >
        > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
        > list you can shove
        > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
        > head is!!!!! You
        > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
        > >
        > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
        > >
        > >
        > > Mark
        > >
        > >
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        > >
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      • yeoman
        Sue, I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn t trying to make a big deal of it. eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To:
        Message 3 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
          Sue,

          I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
          make a big deal of it.

          eduard

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


          > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
          being so disruptive.
          >
          > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
          A VERY POOR
          > GRASP ON REALITY
          >
          > Sue McPherson
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          >
          >
          > > Chris,
          > >
          > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
          he
          > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
          moderates a
          > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
          members!!
          > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
          > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
          > >
          > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
          list.
          > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
          > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
          to do
          > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
          every
          > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
          have it
          > > both ways.
          > >
          > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
          the
          > > public.
          > >
          > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
          [I
          > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
          only
          > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
          Of
          > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
          in
          > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
          > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
          wrap
          > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
          > >
          > > eduard
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
          > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
          > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
          > >
          > >
          > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
          co-moderators
          > > immediately, two
          > > > years ago.
          > > >
          > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
          > > academic reasons.
          > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
          were
          > > quite helpful during
          > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
          contributor
          > > and I miss his
          > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
          > > believe, and Yulian
          > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
          > > >
          > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
          > > unavailable to manage the
          > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
          community
          > > dynamics.
          > > >
          > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
          one
          > > dictator in
          > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
          > > country. This forum is
          > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
          and
          > > mailing lists.
          > > >
          > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
          > > Stalin. Get real...
          > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
          I
          > > merely sought to
          > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
          acceptable.
          > > >
          > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
          offensive, in
          > > my opinion. I'm
          > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
          > > >
          > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
          > > accident years ago and
          > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
          > > fault; I chose to race
          > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
          the
          > > decisions leading
          > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
          moderators, I
          > > suppose?
          > > >
          > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
          pretty
          > > darn well in
          > > > life...
          > > > - C. S. Wyatt
          > > > http://www.tameri.com
          > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
          > > >
          > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
          > > [mailto:tindall@...]
          > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
          > > > To: Exist List Moderator
          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
          MODERATOR
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Thank you for your reply.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
          others.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
          nooist
          > > / Existentialist
          > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
          many
          > > times about Eduard
          > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
          That
          > > is irresponsible
          > > > management and incompetence.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
          chat >
          > > on other topics.
          > > > I think you will find they are more
          > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
          > > secondary Moderator. I
          > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
          of
          > > the race and
          > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
          > > position. I notice you
          > > > did not appoint Eduard!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
          personally
          > > > and his silly
          > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
          temporary
          > > kick.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
          up
          > > with his repeated
          > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
          I
          > > repeatedly
          > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
          on
          > > his nooist /
          > > > Existentialist list!!!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
          a
          > > > > sign of mismanagement.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
          > > mismanagement. Your
          > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
          > > no-one was there to
          > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
          you
          > > and still you
          > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
          over
          > > 300 members but only
          > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
          topic!
          > > You did not make
          > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
          the
          > > use of other
          > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
          few
          > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
          > > list! ABSOLUTELY
          > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
          > > positivist science. I
          > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
          to
          > > act appropriately!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Incapable of running a list?
          > > >
          > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
          > > Existentialist list as was
          > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
          by
          > > your lack of
          > > > management skills and your lack of timely
          intervention.
          > > No contigency
          > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
          > > flood of complaints
          > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
          you
          > > gave me a booting
          > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
          person
          > > who was willing
          > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
          > > aims ... ME! Read
          > > > the posts!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
          > > >
          > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
          > > ingorant. I quote:
          > > >
          > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
          mailbox --
          > > which ...
          > > > really ----ed me off big time."
          > > >
          > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
          > > bother to read my
          > > > posts and complaints????
          > > >
          > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
          word
          > > 'pissed'??) You
          > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
          > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          > > >
          > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
          Existentialist
          > > list without
          > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
          > > lacking insight and
          > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
          heat
          > > of anger and
          > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
          and
          > > incompetence.
          > > >
          > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
          list
          > > better ... if it
          > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
          > > >
          > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
          > > >
          > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
          > > ignorance on his part."
          > > >
          > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
          list.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
          > > >
          > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
          I
          > > repeatedly pointed
          > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
          elsewhere
          > > or in the past.
          > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
          ...
          > > much larger than
          > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
          > > Existentialist list and
          > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
          topic
          > > ... unlike your
          > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
          > > >
          > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
          > > are!!! (Read your
          > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
          > > Existentialist list
          > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
          > > >
          > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
          > > >
          > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
          > > >
          > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
          > > >
          > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
          > > >
          > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
          > > >
          > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
          > > >
          > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
          to
          > > be. I piss on
          > > > every one of them!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > I hope you decide to remain
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
          It's
          > > rude and shows
          > > > your incompetence.
          > > >
          > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
          Existentialist
          > > list you can shove
          > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
          your
          > > head is!!!!! You
          > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
          > > >
          > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Mark
          > > >
          > > >
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        • Sue McPherson
          If you really were sorry, you wouldn t be responding to this now, to the list. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
          Message 4 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
            If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to this now, to the
            list.

            Sue McPherson


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


            > Sue,
            >
            > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
            > make a big deal of it.
            >
            > eduard
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            >
            >
            > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
            > being so disruptive.
            > >
            > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
            > A VERY POOR
            > > GRASP ON REALITY
            > >
            > > Sue McPherson
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > >
            > >
            > > > Chris,
            > > >
            > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
            > he
            > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
            > moderates a
            > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
            > members!!
            > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
            > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
            > > >
            > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
            > list.
            > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
            > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
            > to do
            > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
            > every
            > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
            > have it
            > > > both ways.
            > > >
            > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
            > the
            > > > public.
            > > >
            > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
            > [I
            > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
            > only
            > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
            > Of
            > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
            > in
            > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
            > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
            > wrap
            > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
            > > >
            > > > eduard
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
            > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
            > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
            > co-moderators
            > > > immediately, two
            > > > > years ago.
            > > > >
            > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
            > > > academic reasons.
            > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
            > were
            > > > quite helpful during
            > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
            > contributor
            > > > and I miss his
            > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
            > > > believe, and Yulian
            > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
            > > > >
            > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
            > > > unavailable to manage the
            > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
            > community
            > > > dynamics.
            > > > >
            > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
            > one
            > > > dictator in
            > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
            > > > country. This forum is
            > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
            > and
            > > > mailing lists.
            > > > >
            > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
            > > > Stalin. Get real...
            > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
            > I
            > > > merely sought to
            > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
            > acceptable.
            > > > >
            > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
            > offensive, in
            > > > my opinion. I'm
            > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
            > > > >
            > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
            > > > accident years ago and
            > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
            > > > fault; I chose to race
            > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
            > the
            > > > decisions leading
            > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
            > moderators, I
            > > > suppose?
            > > > >
            > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
            > pretty
            > > > darn well in
            > > > > life...
            > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
            > > > > http://www.tameri.com
            > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
            > > > >
            > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
            > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
            > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
            > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
            > MODERATOR
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Thank you for your reply.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
            > others.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
            > nooist
            > > > / Existentialist
            > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
            > many
            > > > times about Eduard
            > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
            > That
            > > > is irresponsible
            > > > > management and incompetence.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
            > chat >
            > > > on other topics.
            > > > > I think you will find they are more
            > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
            > > > secondary Moderator. I
            > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
            > of
            > > > the race and
            > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
            > > > position. I notice you
            > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
            > personally
            > > > > and his silly
            > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
            > temporary
            > > > kick.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
            > up
            > > > with his repeated
            > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
            > I
            > > > repeatedly
            > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
            > on
            > > > his nooist /
            > > > > Existentialist list!!!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
            > a
            > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
            > > > mismanagement. Your
            > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
            > > > no-one was there to
            > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
            > you
            > > > and still you
            > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
            > over
            > > > 300 members but only
            > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
            > topic!
            > > > You did not make
            > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
            > the
            > > > use of other
            > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
            > few
            > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
            > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
            > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
            > > > positivist science. I
            > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
            > to
            > > > act appropriately!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
            > > > >
            > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
            > > > Existentialist list as was
            > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
            > by
            > > > your lack of
            > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
            > intervention.
            > > > No contigency
            > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
            > > > flood of complaints
            > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
            > you
            > > > gave me a booting
            > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
            > person
            > > > who was willing
            > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
            > > > aims ... ME! Read
            > > > > the posts!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
            > > > >
            > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
            > > > ingorant. I quote:
            > > > >
            > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
            > mailbox --
            > > > which ...
            > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
            > > > >
            > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
            > > > bother to read my
            > > > > posts and complaints????
            > > > >
            > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
            > word
            > > > 'pissed'??) You
            > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
            > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            > > > >
            > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
            > Existentialist
            > > > list without
            > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
            > > > lacking insight and
            > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
            > heat
            > > > of anger and
            > > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
            > and
            > > > incompetence.
            > > > >
            > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
            > list
            > > > better ... if it
            > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
            > > > >
            > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
            > > > >
            > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
            > > > ignorance on his part."
            > > > >
            > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
            > list.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
            > > > >
            > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
            > I
            > > > repeatedly pointed
            > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
            > elsewhere
            > > > or in the past.
            > > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
            > ...
            > > > much larger than
            > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
            > > > Existentialist list and
            > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
            > topic
            > > > ... unlike your
            > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
            > > > >
            > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
            > > > are!!! (Read your
            > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
            > > > Existentialist list
            > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
            > > > >
            > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
            > > > >
            > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
            > > > >
            > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
            > > > >
            > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
            > > > >
            > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
            > > > >
            > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
            > > > >
            > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
            > to
            > > > be. I piss on
            > > > > every one of them!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
            > It's
            > > > rude and shows
            > > > > your incompetence.
            > > > >
            > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
            > Existentialist
            > > > list you can shove
            > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
            > your
            > > > head is!!!!! You
            > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
            > > > >
            > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
            > > > >
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          • yeoman
            Sue, Thankyou for your perceptive note... eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday,
            Message 5 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
              Sue,

              Thankyou for your perceptive note...

              eduard

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


              > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
              this now, to the
              > list.
              >
              > Sue McPherson
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              >
              >
              > > Sue,
              > >
              > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
              to
              > > make a big deal of it.
              > >
              > > eduard
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
              > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              > >
              > >
              > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
              > > being so disruptive.
              > > >
              > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
              have
              > > A VERY POOR
              > > > GRASP ON REALITY
              > > >
              > > > Sue McPherson
              > > >
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
              > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
              > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              MODERATOR
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > > Chris,
              > > > >
              > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
              mean,
              > > he
              > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
              > > moderates a
              > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
              > > members!!
              > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
              > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
              > > > >
              > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
              > > list.
              > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
              > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
              refused
              > > to do
              > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
              > > every
              > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
              > > have it
              > > > > both ways.
              > > > >
              > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
              you to
              > > the
              > > > > public.
              > > > >
              > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
              posts
              > > [I
              > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
              > > only
              > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
              input.
              > > Of
              > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
              interested
              > > in
              > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
              task to
              > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
              to
              > > wrap
              > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
              > > > >
              > > > > eduard
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
              > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
              > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              MODERATOR
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
              > > co-moderators
              > > > > immediately, two
              > > > > > years ago.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
              for
              > > > > academic reasons.
              > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
              > > were
              > > > > quite helpful during
              > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
              > > contributor
              > > > > and I miss his
              > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
              work, I
              > > > > believe, and Yulian
              > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
              > > > > unavailable to manage the
              > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
              > > community
              > > > > dynamics.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
              cannot be
              > > one
              > > > > dictator in
              > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
              a
              > > > > country. This forum is
              > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
              newsgroups
              > > and
              > > > > mailing lists.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
              like
              > > > > Stalin. Get real...
              > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
              him.
              > > I
              > > > > merely sought to
              > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
              > > acceptable.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
              > > offensive, in
              > > > > my opinion. I'm
              > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
              an
              > > > > accident years ago and
              > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
              my
              > > > > fault; I chose to race
              > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
              made
              > > the
              > > > > decisions leading
              > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
              > > moderators, I
              > > > > suppose?
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
              > > pretty
              > > > > darn well in
              > > > > > life...
              > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
              > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
              > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
              > > > > >
              > > > > > -----Original Message-----
              > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
              > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
              > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
              > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
              > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
              > > MODERATOR
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
              > > others.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
              > > nooist
              > > > > / Existentialist
              > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
              evidence
              > > many
              > > > > times about Eduard
              > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
              > > That
              > > > > is irresponsible
              > > > > > management and incompetence.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
              to
              > > chat >
              > > > > on other topics.
              > > > > > I think you will find they are more
              > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
              be
              > > > > secondary Moderator. I
              > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
              out
              > > of
              > > > > the race and
              > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
              > > > > position. I notice you
              > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
              > > personally
              > > > > > and his silly
              > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
              > > temporary
              > > > > kick.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
              put
              > > up
              > > > > with his repeated
              > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
              why
              > > I
              > > > > repeatedly
              > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
              nothing
              > > on
              > > > > his nooist /
              > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
              is
              > > a
              > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
              > > > > mismanagement. Your
              > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
              and
              > > > > no-one was there to
              > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
              to
              > > you
              > > > > and still you
              > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
              > > over
              > > > > 300 members but only
              > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
              > > topic!
              > > > > You did not make
              > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
              suggested
              > > the
              > > > > use of other
              > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
              last
              > > few
              > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
              Existentialist
              > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
              > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
              > > > > positivist science. I
              > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
              failed
              > > to
              > > > > act appropriately!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
              > > > > Existentialist list as was
              > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
              caused
              > > by
              > > > > your lack of
              > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
              > > intervention.
              > > > > No contigency
              > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
              after a
              > > > > flood of complaints
              > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
              inaction...
              > > you
              > > > > gave me a booting
              > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
              ONLY
              > > person
              > > > > who was willing
              > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
              its
              > > > > aims ... ME! Read
              > > > > > the posts!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
              ignorant
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
              and
              > > > > ingorant. I quote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
              > > mailbox --
              > > > > which ...
              > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
              even
              > > > > bother to read my
              > > > > > posts and complaints????
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
              Anglo-Saxon
              > > word
              > > > > 'pissed'??) You
              > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
              and
              > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
              > > Existentialist
              > > > > list without
              > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
              inept,
              > > > > lacking insight and
              > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
              the
              > > heat
              > > > > of anger and
              > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
              mismanagement
              > > and
              > > > > incompetence.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
              Existentialist
              > > list
              > > > > better ... if it
              > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
              > > > > >
              > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
              great
              > > > > ignorance on his part."
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
              new
              > > list.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
              as
              > > I
              > > > > repeatedly pointed
              > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
              > > elsewhere
              > > > > or in the past.
              > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
              achievments
              > > ...
              > > > > much larger than
              > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
              > > > > Existentialist list and
              > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
              > > topic
              > > > > ... unlike your
              > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
              you
              > > > > are!!! (Read your
              > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
              > > > > Existentialist list
              > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
              supposed
              > > to
              > > > > be. I piss on
              > > > > > every one of them!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
              me.
              > > It's
              > > > > rude and shows
              > > > > > your incompetence.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
              > > Existentialist
              > > > > list you can shove
              > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
              where
              > > your
              > > > > head is!!!!! You
              > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Mark
              > > > > >
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            • Sue McPherson
              Wrong answer, eduard. That s one. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
              Message 6 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
                Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.

                Sue McPherson

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                > Sue,
                >
                > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                >
                > eduard
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                >
                >
                > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
                > this now, to the
                > > list.
                > >
                > > Sue McPherson
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > >
                > >
                > > > Sue,
                > > >
                > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
                > to
                > > > make a big deal of it.
                > > >
                > > > eduard
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
                > > > being so disruptive.
                > > > >
                > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
                > have
                > > > A VERY POOR
                > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                > > > >
                > > > > Sue McPherson
                > > > >
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > MODERATOR
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > Chris,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
                > mean,
                > > > he
                > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                > > > moderates a
                > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
                > > > members!!
                > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
                > > > list.
                > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                > refused
                > > > to do
                > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
                > > > every
                > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
                > > > have it
                > > > > > both ways.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
                > you to
                > > > the
                > > > > > public.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
                > posts
                > > > [I
                > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
                > > > only
                > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
                > input.
                > > > Of
                > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                > interested
                > > > in
                > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                > task to
                > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
                > to
                > > > wrap
                > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > eduard
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > MODERATOR
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                > > > co-moderators
                > > > > > immediately, two
                > > > > > > years ago.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
                > for
                > > > > > academic reasons.
                > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
                > > > were
                > > > > > quite helpful during
                > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                > > > contributor
                > > > > > and I miss his
                > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                > work, I
                > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                > > > community
                > > > > > dynamics.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                > cannot be
                > > > one
                > > > > > dictator in
                > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
                > a
                > > > > > country. This forum is
                > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                > newsgroups
                > > > and
                > > > > > mailing lists.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                > like
                > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
                > him.
                > > > I
                > > > > > merely sought to
                > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                > > > acceptable.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                > > > offensive, in
                > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
                > an
                > > > > > accident years ago and
                > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
                > my
                > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
                > made
                > > > the
                > > > > > decisions leading
                > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                > > > moderators, I
                > > > > > suppose?
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
                > > > pretty
                > > > > > darn well in
                > > > > > > life...
                > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                > > > MODERATOR
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
                > > > others.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
                > > > nooist
                > > > > > / Existentialist
                > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                > evidence
                > > > many
                > > > > > times about Eduard
                > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
                > > > That
                > > > > > is irresponsible
                > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
                > to
                > > > chat >
                > > > > > on other topics.
                > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
                > be
                > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
                > out
                > > > of
                > > > > > the race and
                > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                > > > > > position. I notice you
                > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                > > > personally
                > > > > > > and his silly
                > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
                > > > temporary
                > > > > > kick.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
                > put
                > > > up
                > > > > > with his repeated
                > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
                > why
                > > > I
                > > > > > repeatedly
                > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                > nothing
                > > > on
                > > > > > his nooist /
                > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
                > is
                > > > a
                > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
                > and
                > > > > > no-one was there to
                > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
                > to
                > > > you
                > > > > > and still you
                > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
                > > > over
                > > > > > 300 members but only
                > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
                > > > topic!
                > > > > > You did not make
                > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                > suggested
                > > > the
                > > > > > use of other
                > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
                > last
                > > > few
                > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                > Existentialist
                > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                > > > > > positivist science. I
                > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
                > failed
                > > > to
                > > > > > act appropriately!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                > caused
                > > > by
                > > > > > your lack of
                > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                > > > intervention.
                > > > > > No contigency
                > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                > after a
                > > > > > flood of complaints
                > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                > inaction...
                > > > you
                > > > > > gave me a booting
                > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                > ONLY
                > > > person
                > > > > > who was willing
                > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
                > its
                > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                > > > > > > the posts!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                > ignorant
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
                > and
                > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                > > > mailbox --
                > > > > > which ...
                > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
                > even
                > > > > > bother to read my
                > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                > Anglo-Saxon
                > > > word
                > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
                > and
                > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > list without
                > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
                > inept,
                > > > > > lacking insight and
                > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
                > the
                > > > heat
                > > > > > of anger and
                > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                > mismanagement
                > > > and
                > > > > > incompetence.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                > Existentialist
                > > > list
                > > > > > better ... if it
                > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                > great
                > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
                > new
                > > > list.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
                > as
                > > > I
                > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
                > > > elsewhere
                > > > > > or in the past.
                > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                > achievments
                > > > ...
                > > > > > much larger than
                > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                > > > > > Existentialist list and
                > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
                > > > topic
                > > > > > ... unlike your
                > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
                > you
                > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                > > > > > Existentialist list
                > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                > supposed
                > > > to
                > > > > > be. I piss on
                > > > > > > every one of them!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
                > me.
                > > > It's
                > > > > > rude and shows
                > > > > > > your incompetence.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                > > > Existentialist
                > > > > > list you can shove
                > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
                > where
                > > > your
                > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Mark
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
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              • yeoman
                what s one?? ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re:
                Message 7 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
                  what's one??

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                  > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                  >
                  > Sue McPherson
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  >
                  >
                  > > Sue,
                  > >
                  > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                  > >
                  > > eduard
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                  to
                  > > this now, to the
                  > > > list.
                  > > >
                  > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  MODERATOR
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > Sue,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                  trying
                  > > to
                  > > > > make a big deal of it.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > eduard
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                  <sue@...>
                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  MODERATOR
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                  for
                  > > > > being so disruptive.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                  to
                  > > have
                  > > > > A VERY POOR
                  > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Sue McPherson
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Chris,
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                  I
                  > > mean,
                  > > > > he
                  > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                  > > > > moderates a
                  > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                  600
                  > > > > members!!
                  > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                  so.
                  > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                  your
                  > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                  messages
                  > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                  > > refused
                  > > > > to do
                  > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                  and
                  > > > > every
                  > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                  cant
                  > > > > have it
                  > > > > > > both ways.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                  exposes
                  > > you to
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > > > public.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                  the
                  > > posts
                  > > > > [I
                  > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                  has
                  > > > > only
                  > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                  of
                  > > input.
                  > > > > Of
                  > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                  > > interested
                  > > > > in
                  > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                  > > task to
                  > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                  credentials
                  > > to
                  > > > > wrap
                  > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                  superiority.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > eduard
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                  <existlist1@...>
                  > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                  > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                  > > > > co-moderators
                  > > > > > > immediately, two
                  > > > > > > > years ago.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                  on
                  > > for
                  > > > > > > academic reasons.
                  > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                  Diana A
                  > > > > were
                  > > > > > > quite helpful during
                  > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                  > > > > contributor
                  > > > > > > and I miss his
                  > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                  > > work, I
                  > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                  > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                  being
                  > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                  > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                  > > > > community
                  > > > > > > dynamics.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                  > > cannot be
                  > > > > one
                  > > > > > > dictator in
                  > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                  or
                  > > a
                  > > > > > > country. This forum is
                  > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                  > > newsgroups
                  > > > > and
                  > > > > > > mailing lists.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                  > > like
                  > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                  > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                  killed
                  > > him.
                  > > > > I
                  > > > > > > merely sought to
                  > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                  > > > > acceptable.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                  > > > > offensive, in
                  > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                  > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                  again.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                  had
                  > > an
                  > > > > > > accident years ago and
                  > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                  was
                  > > my
                  > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                  > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                  . I
                  > > made
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > > > decisions leading
                  > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                  > > > > moderators, I
                  > > > > > > suppose?
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                  do
                  > > > > pretty
                  > > > > > > darn well in
                  > > > > > > > life...
                  > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                  > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                  > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                  > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                  > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                  > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                  > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                  > > > > MODERATOR
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                  and
                  > > > > others.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                  your
                  > > > > nooist
                  > > > > > > / Existentialist
                  > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                  > > evidence
                  > > > > many
                  > > > > > > times about Eduard
                  > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                  management!
                  > > > > That
                  > > > > > > is irresponsible
                  > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                  pleased
                  > > to
                  > > > > chat >
                  > > > > > > on other topics.
                  > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                  > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                  to
                  > > be
                  > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                  > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                  pulled
                  > > out
                  > > > > of
                  > > > > > > the race and
                  > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                  the
                  > > > > > > position. I notice you
                  > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                  > > > > personally
                  > > > > > > > and his silly
                  > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                  then
                  > > > > temporary
                  > > > > > > kick.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                  I
                  > > put
                  > > > > up
                  > > > > > > with his repeated
                  > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                  is
                  > > why
                  > > > > I
                  > > > > > > repeatedly
                  > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                  > > nothing
                  > > > > on
                  > > > > > > his nooist /
                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                  that
                  > > is
                  > > > > a
                  > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                  gross
                  > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                  > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                  moderation
                  > > and
                  > > > > > > no-one was there to
                  > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                  out
                  > > to
                  > > > > you
                  > > > > > > and still you
                  > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                  lis
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                  are
                  > > > > over
                  > > > > > > 300 members but only
                  > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                  on
                  > > > > topic!
                  > > > > > > You did not make
                  > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                  > > suggested
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > > > use of other
                  > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                  yours!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                  The
                  > > last
                  > > > > few
                  > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                  > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                  > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                  and
                  > > > > > > positivist science. I
                  > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                  you
                  > > failed
                  > > > > to
                  > > > > > > act appropriately!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                  > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                  > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                  > > caused
                  > > > > by
                  > > > > > > your lack of
                  > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                  > > > > intervention.
                  > > > > > > No contigency
                  > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                  > > after a
                  > > > > > > flood of complaints
                  > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                  > > inaction...
                  > > > > you
                  > > > > > > gave me a booting
                  > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                  > > ONLY
                  > > > > person
                  > > > > > > who was willing
                  > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                  back to
                  > > its
                  > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                  > > > > > > > the posts!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                  > > ignorant
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                  rude
                  > > and
                  > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                  > > > > mailbox --
                  > > > > > > which ...
                  > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                  you
                  > > even
                  > > > > > > bother to read my
                  > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                  > > Anglo-Saxon
                  > > > > word
                  > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                  > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                  incompetence
                  > > and
                  > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                  > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > list without
                  > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                  both
                  > > inept,
                  > > > > > > lacking insight and
                  > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                  in
                  > > the
                  > > > > heat
                  > > > > > > of anger and
                  > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                  > > mismanagement
                  > > > > and
                  > > > > > > incompetence.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                  > > Existentialist
                  > > > > list
                  > > > > > > better ... if it
                  > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                  > > great
                  > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                  my
                  > > new
                  > > > > list.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                  ...
                  > > as
                  > > > > I
                  > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                  > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                  done
                  > > > > elsewhere
                  > > > > > > or in the past.
                  > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                  > > achievments
                  > > > > ...
                  > > > > > > much larger than
                  > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                  nooist /
                  > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                  > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                  Stay on
                  > > > > topic
                  > > > > > > ... unlike your
                  > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                  great
                  > > you
                  > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                  > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                  nooist /
                  > > > > > > Existentialist list
                  > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                  > > supposed
                  > > > > to
                  > > > > > > be. I piss on
                  > > > > > > > every one of them!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                  booted
                  > > me.
                  > > > > It's
                  > > > > > > rude and shows
                  > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                  > > > > Existentialist
                  > > > > > > list you can shove
                  > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                  arse
                  > > where
                  > > > > your
                  > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                  > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Mark
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
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                • Sue McPherson
                  Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
                  Message 8 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
                    Try a little harder to get along!
                    There's no need for such impertinence.

                    Sue McPherson

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                    Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                    > what's one??
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                    > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    >
                    >
                    > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                    > >
                    > > Sue McPherson
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                    > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Sue,
                    > > >
                    > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                    > > >
                    > > > eduard
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                    > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                    > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                    > to
                    > > > this now, to the
                    > > > > list.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Sue McPherson
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > MODERATOR
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > Sue,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                    > trying
                    > > > to
                    > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > eduard
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                    > <sue@...>
                    > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > MODERATOR
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                    > for
                    > > > > > being so disruptive.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                    > to
                    > > > have
                    > > > > > A VERY POOR
                    > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                    > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                    > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Chris,
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                    > I
                    > > > mean,
                    > > > > > he
                    > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                    > > > > > moderates a
                    > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                    > 600
                    > > > > > members!!
                    > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                    > so.
                    > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                    > your
                    > > > > > list.
                    > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                    > messages
                    > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                    > > > refused
                    > > > > > to do
                    > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                    > and
                    > > > > > every
                    > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                    > cant
                    > > > > > have it
                    > > > > > > > both ways.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                    > exposes
                    > > > you to
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > > public.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                    > the
                    > > > posts
                    > > > > > [I
                    > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                    > has
                    > > > > > only
                    > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                    > of
                    > > > input.
                    > > > > > Of
                    > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                    > > > interested
                    > > > > > in
                    > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                    > > > task to
                    > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                    > credentials
                    > > > to
                    > > > > > wrap
                    > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                    > superiority.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > eduard
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                    > <existlist1@...>
                    > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                    > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                    > > > > > co-moderators
                    > > > > > > > immediately, two
                    > > > > > > > > years ago.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                    > on
                    > > > for
                    > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                    > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                    > Diana A
                    > > > > > were
                    > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                    > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                    > > > > > contributor
                    > > > > > > > and I miss his
                    > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                    > > > work, I
                    > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                    > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                    > being
                    > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                    > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                    > > > > > community
                    > > > > > > > dynamics.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                    > > > cannot be
                    > > > > > one
                    > > > > > > > dictator in
                    > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                    > or
                    > > > a
                    > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                    > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                    > > > newsgroups
                    > > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                    > > > like
                    > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                    > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                    > killed
                    > > > him.
                    > > > > > I
                    > > > > > > > merely sought to
                    > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                    > > > > > acceptable.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                    > > > > > offensive, in
                    > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                    > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                    > again.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                    > had
                    > > > an
                    > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                    > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                    > was
                    > > > my
                    > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                    > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                    > . I
                    > > > made
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > > decisions leading
                    > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                    > > > > > moderators, I
                    > > > > > > > suppose?
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                    > do
                    > > > > > pretty
                    > > > > > > > darn well in
                    > > > > > > > > life...
                    > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                    > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                    > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                    > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                    > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                    > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                    > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                    > > > > > MODERATOR
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                    > and
                    > > > > > others.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                    > your
                    > > > > > nooist
                    > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                    > > > evidence
                    > > > > > many
                    > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                    > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                    > management!
                    > > > > > That
                    > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                    > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                    > pleased
                    > > > to
                    > > > > > chat >
                    > > > > > > > on other topics.
                    > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                    > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                    > to
                    > > > be
                    > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                    > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                    > pulled
                    > > > out
                    > > > > > of
                    > > > > > > > the race and
                    > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                    > the
                    > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                    > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                    > > > > > personally
                    > > > > > > > > and his silly
                    > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                    > then
                    > > > > > temporary
                    > > > > > > > kick.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                    > I
                    > > > put
                    > > > > > up
                    > > > > > > > with his repeated
                    > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                    > is
                    > > > why
                    > > > > > I
                    > > > > > > > repeatedly
                    > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                    > > > nothing
                    > > > > > on
                    > > > > > > > his nooist /
                    > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                    > that
                    > > > is
                    > > > > > a
                    > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                    > gross
                    > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                    > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                    > moderation
                    > > > and
                    > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                    > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                    > out
                    > > > to
                    > > > > > you
                    > > > > > > > and still you
                    > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                    > lis
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                    > are
                    > > > > > over
                    > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                    > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                    > on
                    > > > > > topic!
                    > > > > > > > You did not make
                    > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                    > > > suggested
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > > use of other
                    > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                    > yours!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                    > The
                    > > > last
                    > > > > > few
                    > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                    > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                    > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                    > and
                    > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                    > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                    > you
                    > > > failed
                    > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                    > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                    > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                    > > > caused
                    > > > > > by
                    > > > > > > > your lack of
                    > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                    > > > > > intervention.
                    > > > > > > > No contigency
                    > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                    > > > after a
                    > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                    > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                    > > > inaction...
                    > > > > > you
                    > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                    > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                    > > > ONLY
                    > > > > > person
                    > > > > > > > who was willing
                    > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                    > back to
                    > > > its
                    > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                    > > > > > > > > the posts!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                    > > > ignorant
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                    > rude
                    > > > and
                    > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                    > > > > > mailbox --
                    > > > > > > > which ...
                    > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                    > you
                    > > > even
                    > > > > > > > bother to read my
                    > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                    > > > Anglo-Saxon
                    > > > > > word
                    > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                    > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                    > incompetence
                    > > > and
                    > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                    > > > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > list without
                    > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                    > both
                    > > > inept,
                    > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                    > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                    > in
                    > > > the
                    > > > > > heat
                    > > > > > > > of anger and
                    > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                    > > > mismanagement
                    > > > > > and
                    > > > > > > > incompetence.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                    > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > list
                    > > > > > > > better ... if it
                    > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                    > > > great
                    > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                    > my
                    > > > new
                    > > > > > list.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                    > ...
                    > > > as
                    > > > > > I
                    > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                    > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                    > done
                    > > > > > elsewhere
                    > > > > > > > or in the past.
                    > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                    > > > achievments
                    > > > > > ...
                    > > > > > > > much larger than
                    > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                    > nooist /
                    > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                    > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                    > Stay on
                    > > > > > topic
                    > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                    > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                    > great
                    > > > you
                    > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                    > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                    > nooist /
                    > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                    > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                    > > > supposed
                    > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                    > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                    > booted
                    > > > me.
                    > > > > > It's
                    > > > > > > > rude and shows
                    > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                    > > > > > Existentialist
                    > > > > > > > list you can shove
                    > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                    > arse
                    > > > where
                    > > > > > your
                    > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                    > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Mark
                    > > > > > > > >
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                  • Lorna Landry
                    Eduard, Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris? Lorna yeoman wrote:Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
                    Message 9 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                      Eduard,
                      Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris?
                      Lorna

                      yeoman <yeoman@...> wrote:Chris,

                      It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                      has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                      group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                      And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                      Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

                      And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                      Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                      challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                      so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                      other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                      both ways.

                      Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                      public.

                      Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                      don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                      complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                      course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                      learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                      learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                      the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

                      eduard


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                      To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                      Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                      > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                      immediately, two
                      > years ago.
                      >
                      > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                      academic reasons.
                      > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                      quite helpful during
                      > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                      and I miss his
                      > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                      believe, and Yulian
                      > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                      >
                      > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                      unavailable to manage the
                      > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                      dynamics.
                      >
                      > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                      dictator in
                      > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                      country. This forum is
                      > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                      mailing lists.
                      >
                      > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                      Stalin. Get real...
                      > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                      merely sought to
                      > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                      >
                      > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                      my opinion. I'm
                      > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                      >
                      > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                      accident years ago and
                      > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                      fault; I chose to race
                      > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                      decisions leading
                      > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                      suppose?
                      >
                      > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                      darn well in
                      > life...
                      > - C. S. Wyatt
                      > http://www.tameri.com
                      > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                      [mailto:tindall@...]
                      > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                      > To: Exist List Moderator
                      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      >
                      >
                      > Thank you for your reply.
                      >
                      >
                      > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                      >
                      >
                      > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                      / Existentialist
                      > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                      times about Eduard
                      > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                      is irresponsible
                      > management and incompetence.
                      >
                      >
                      > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                      on other topics.
                      > I think you will find they are more
                      > > responsible than most others on the list.
                      >
                      >
                      > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                      secondary Moderator. I
                      > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                      the race and
                      > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                      position. I notice you
                      > did not appoint Eduard!
                      >
                      >
                      > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                      > and his silly
                      > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                      kick.
                      >
                      >
                      > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                      with his repeated
                      > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                      repeatedly
                      > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                      his nooist /
                      > Existentialist list!!!
                      >
                      >
                      > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                      > > sign of mismanagement.
                      >
                      >
                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                      mismanagement. Your
                      > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                      no-one was there to
                      > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                      and still you
                      > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                      >
                      >
                      > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                      >
                      >
                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                      300 members but only
                      > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                      You did not make
                      > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                      use of other
                      > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                      >
                      >
                      > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                      > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                      >
                      >
                      > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                      list! ABSOLUTELY
                      > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                      positivist science. I
                      > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                      act appropriately!
                      >
                      >
                      > > Incapable of running a list?
                      >
                      > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                      Existentialist list as was
                      > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                      your lack of
                      > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                      No contigency
                      > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                      flood of complaints
                      > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                      gave me a booting
                      > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                      who was willing
                      > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                      aims ... ME! Read
                      > the posts!
                      >
                      >
                      > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                      >
                      > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                      ingorant. I quote:
                      >
                      > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                      which ...
                      > really ----ed me off big time."
                      >
                      > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                      bother to read my
                      > posts and complaints????
                      >
                      > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                      'pissed'??) You
                      > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                      > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      >
                      > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                      list without
                      > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                      lacking insight and
                      > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                      of anger and
                      > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                      incompetence.
                      >
                      > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                      >
                      >
                      > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                      better ... if it
                      > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                      >
                      > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                      >
                      > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                      ignorance on his part."
                      >
                      > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                      >
                      >
                      > > My web site barely hints at my works
                      >
                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                      repeatedly pointed
                      > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                      or in the past.
                      > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                      much larger than
                      > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                      Existentialist list and
                      > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                      ... unlike your
                      > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                      >
                      > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                      are!!! (Read your
                      > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                      Existentialist list
                      > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                      >
                      > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                      >
                      > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                      >
                      > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                      >
                      > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                      >
                      > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                      >
                      > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                      >
                      > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                      be. I piss on
                      > every one of them!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > > I hope you decide to remain
                      >
                      >
                      > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                      rude and shows
                      > your incompetence.
                      >
                      > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                      list you can shove
                      > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                      head is!!!!! You
                      > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                      >
                      > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                      >
                      >
                      > Mark
                      >
                      >
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                    • Lorna Landry
                      Gee...that sounds friendly... Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so
                      Message 10 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                        Gee...that sounds friendly...
                        Lorna

                        Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

                        Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
                        GRASP ON REALITY

                        Sue McPherson

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                        > Chris,
                        >
                        > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                        > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                        > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                        > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                        > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                        >
                        > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                        > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                        > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                        > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                        > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                        > both ways.
                        >
                        > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                        > public.
                        >
                        > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                        > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                        > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                        > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                        > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                        > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                        > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                        >
                        > eduard
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                        > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                        > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        >
                        >
                        > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                        > immediately, two
                        > > years ago.
                        > >
                        > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                        > academic reasons.
                        > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                        > quite helpful during
                        > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                        > and I miss his
                        > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                        > believe, and Yulian
                        > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                        > >
                        > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                        > unavailable to manage the
                        > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                        > dynamics.
                        > >
                        > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                        > dictator in
                        > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                        > country. This forum is
                        > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                        > mailing lists.
                        > >
                        > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                        > Stalin. Get real...
                        > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                        > merely sought to
                        > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                        > >
                        > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                        > my opinion. I'm
                        > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                        > >
                        > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                        > accident years ago and
                        > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                        > fault; I chose to race
                        > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                        > decisions leading
                        > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                        > suppose?
                        > >
                        > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                        > darn well in
                        > > life...
                        > > - C. S. Wyatt
                        > > http://www.tameri.com
                        > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                        > [mailto:tindall@...]
                        > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                        > > To: Exist List Moderator
                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Thank you for your reply.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                        > / Existentialist
                        > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                        > times about Eduard
                        > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                        > is irresponsible
                        > > management and incompetence.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                        > on other topics.
                        > > I think you will find they are more
                        > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                        > secondary Moderator. I
                        > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                        > the race and
                        > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                        > position. I notice you
                        > > did not appoint Eduard!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                        > > and his silly
                        > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                        > kick.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                        > with his repeated
                        > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                        > repeatedly
                        > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                        > his nooist /
                        > > Existentialist list!!!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                        > > > sign of mismanagement.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                        > mismanagement. Your
                        > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                        > no-one was there to
                        > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                        > and still you
                        > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                        > 300 members but only
                        > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                        > You did not make
                        > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                        > use of other
                        > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                        > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                        > list! ABSOLUTELY
                        > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                        > positivist science. I
                        > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                        > act appropriately!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Incapable of running a list?
                        > >
                        > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                        > Existentialist list as was
                        > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                        > your lack of
                        > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                        > No contigency
                        > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                        > flood of complaints
                        > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                        > gave me a booting
                        > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                        > who was willing
                        > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                        > aims ... ME! Read
                        > > the posts!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                        > >
                        > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                        > ingorant. I quote:
                        > >
                        > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                        > which ...
                        > > really ----ed me off big time."
                        > >
                        > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                        > bother to read my
                        > > posts and complaints????
                        > >
                        > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                        > 'pissed'??) You
                        > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                        > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        > >
                        > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                        > list without
                        > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                        > lacking insight and
                        > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                        > of anger and
                        > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                        > incompetence.
                        > >
                        > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                        > better ... if it
                        > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                        > >
                        > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                        > >
                        > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                        > ignorance on his part."
                        > >
                        > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                        > >
                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                        > repeatedly pointed
                        > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                        > or in the past.
                        > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                        > much larger than
                        > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                        > Existentialist list and
                        > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                        > ... unlike your
                        > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                        > >
                        > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                        > are!!! (Read your
                        > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                        > Existentialist list
                        > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                        > >
                        > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                        > be. I piss on
                        > > every one of them!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > I hope you decide to remain
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                        > rude and shows
                        > > your incompetence.
                        > >
                        > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                        > list you can shove
                        > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                        > head is!!!!! You
                        > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                        > >
                        > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Mark
                        > >
                        > >
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                      • Lorna Landry
                        Take you own advice. Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue
                        Message 11 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                          Take you own advice.

                          Lorna




                          Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder to get along!
                          There's no need for such impertinence.

                          Sue McPherson

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                          > what's one??
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          >
                          >
                          > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                          > >
                          > > Sue McPherson
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > Sue,
                          > > >
                          > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                          > > >
                          > > > eduard
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                          > to
                          > > > this now, to the
                          > > > > list.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > MODERATOR
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > Sue,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                          > trying
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > eduard
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                          > <sue@...>
                          > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > MODERATOR
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                          > for
                          > > > > > being so disruptive.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                          > to
                          > > > have
                          > > > > > A VERY POOR
                          > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Chris,
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                          > I
                          > > > mean,
                          > > > > > he
                          > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                          > > > > > moderates a
                          > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                          > 600
                          > > > > > members!!
                          > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                          > so.
                          > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                          > your
                          > > > > > list.
                          > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                          > messages
                          > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                          > > > refused
                          > > > > > to do
                          > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                          > and
                          > > > > > every
                          > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                          > cant
                          > > > > > have it
                          > > > > > > > both ways.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                          > exposes
                          > > > you to
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > public.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                          > the
                          > > > posts
                          > > > > > [I
                          > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                          > has
                          > > > > > only
                          > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                          > of
                          > > > input.
                          > > > > > Of
                          > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                          > > > interested
                          > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                          > > > task to
                          > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                          > credentials
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > wrap
                          > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                          > superiority.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > eduard
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                          > <existlist1@...>
                          > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                          > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                          > > > > > co-moderators
                          > > > > > > > immediately, two
                          > > > > > > > > years ago.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                          > on
                          > > > for
                          > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                          > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                          > Diana A
                          > > > > > were
                          > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                          > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                          > > > > > contributor
                          > > > > > > > and I miss his
                          > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                          > > > work, I
                          > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                          > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                          > being
                          > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                          > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                          > > > > > community
                          > > > > > > > dynamics.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                          > > > cannot be
                          > > > > > one
                          > > > > > > > dictator in
                          > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                          > or
                          > > > a
                          > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                          > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                          > > > newsgroups
                          > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                          > > > like
                          > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                          > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                          > killed
                          > > > him.
                          > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > merely sought to
                          > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                          > > > > > acceptable.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                          > > > > > offensive, in
                          > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                          > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                          > again.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                          > had
                          > > > an
                          > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                          > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                          > was
                          > > > my
                          > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                          > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                          > . I
                          > > > made
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > decisions leading
                          > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                          > > > > > moderators, I
                          > > > > > > > suppose?
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                          > do
                          > > > > > pretty
                          > > > > > > > darn well in
                          > > > > > > > > life...
                          > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                          > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                          > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                          > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                          > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                          > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                          > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          > > > > > MODERATOR
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                          > and
                          > > > > > others.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                          > your
                          > > > > > nooist
                          > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                          > > > evidence
                          > > > > > many
                          > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                          > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                          > management!
                          > > > > > That
                          > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                          > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                          > pleased
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > chat >
                          > > > > > > > on other topics.
                          > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                          > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                          > to
                          > > > be
                          > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                          > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                          > pulled
                          > > > out
                          > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > the race and
                          > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                          > the
                          > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                          > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                          > > > > > personally
                          > > > > > > > > and his silly
                          > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                          > then
                          > > > > > temporary
                          > > > > > > > kick.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                          > I
                          > > > put
                          > > > > > up
                          > > > > > > > with his repeated
                          > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                          > is
                          > > > why
                          > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > repeatedly
                          > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                          > > > nothing
                          > > > > > on
                          > > > > > > > his nooist /
                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                          > that
                          > > > is
                          > > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                          > gross
                          > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                          > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                          > moderation
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                          > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                          > out
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > and still you
                          > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                          > lis
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                          > are
                          > > > > > over
                          > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                          > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                          > on
                          > > > > > topic!
                          > > > > > > > You did not make
                          > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                          > > > suggested
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > use of other
                          > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                          > yours!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                          > The
                          > > > last
                          > > > > > few
                          > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                          > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                          > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                          > and
                          > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                          > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                          > you
                          > > > failed
                          > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                          > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                          > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                          > > > caused
                          > > > > > by
                          > > > > > > > your lack of
                          > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                          > > > > > intervention.
                          > > > > > > > No contigency
                          > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                          > > > after a
                          > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                          > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                          > > > inaction...
                          > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                          > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                          > > > ONLY
                          > > > > > person
                          > > > > > > > who was willing
                          > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                          > back to
                          > > > its
                          > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                          > > > > > > > > the posts!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                          > > > ignorant
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                          > rude
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                          > > > > > mailbox --
                          > > > > > > > which ...
                          > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                          > you
                          > > > even
                          > > > > > > > bother to read my
                          > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                          > > > Anglo-Saxon
                          > > > > > word
                          > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                          > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                          > incompetence
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                          > > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > list without
                          > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                          > both
                          > > > inept,
                          > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                          > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                          > in
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > heat
                          > > > > > > > of anger and
                          > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                          > > > mismanagement
                          > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                          > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > list
                          > > > > > > > better ... if it
                          > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                          > > > great
                          > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                          > my
                          > > > new
                          > > > > > list.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                          > ...
                          > > > as
                          > > > > > I
                          > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                          > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                          > done
                          > > > > > elsewhere
                          > > > > > > > or in the past.
                          > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                          > > > achievments
                          > > > > > ...
                          > > > > > > > much larger than
                          > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                          > nooist /
                          > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                          > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                          > Stay on
                          > > > > > topic
                          > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                          > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                          > great
                          > > > you
                          > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                          > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                          > nooist /
                          > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                          > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                          > > > supposed
                          > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                          > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                          > booted
                          > > > me.
                          > > > > > It's
                          > > > > > > > rude and shows
                          > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                          > > > > > Existentialist
                          > > > > > > > list you can shove
                          > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                          > arse
                          > > > where
                          > > > > > your
                          > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                          > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Mark
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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                          Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                          Message 12 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                            Mind your own business

                            Sue McPherson

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                            >
                            > Take you own advice.
                            >
                            > Lorna
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                            to get along!
                            > There's no need for such impertinence.
                            >
                            > Sue McPherson
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            >
                            >
                            > > what's one??
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                            > > >
                            > > > Sue McPherson
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Sue,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                            > > > >
                            > > > > eduard
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                            > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                            > > to
                            > > > > this now, to the
                            > > > > > list.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Sue McPherson
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Sue,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                            > > trying
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > eduard
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                            > > <sue@...>
                            > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                            > > for
                            > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                            > > to
                            > > > > have
                            > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                            > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                            > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Chris,
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                            > > I
                            > > > > mean,
                            > > > > > > he
                            > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                            > > > > > > moderates a
                            > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                            > > 600
                            > > > > > > members!!
                            > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                            > > so.
                            > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                            > > your
                            > > > > > > list.
                            > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                            > > messages
                            > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                            > > > > refused
                            > > > > > > to do
                            > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                            > > and
                            > > > > > > every
                            > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                            > > cant
                            > > > > > > have it
                            > > > > > > > > both ways.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                            > > exposes
                            > > > > you to
                            > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > public.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                            > > the
                            > > > > posts
                            > > > > > > [I
                            > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                            > > has
                            > > > > > > only
                            > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                            > > of
                            > > > > input.
                            > > > > > > Of
                            > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                            > > > > interested
                            > > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                            > > > > task to
                            > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                            > > credentials
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > wrap
                            > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                            > > superiority.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > eduard
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                            > > <existlist1@...>
                            > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                            > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                            > > > > > > co-moderators
                            > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                            > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                            > > on
                            > > > > for
                            > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                            > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                            > > Diana A
                            > > > > > > were
                            > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                            > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                            > > > > > > contributor
                            > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                            > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                            > > > > work, I
                            > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                            > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                            > > being
                            > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                            > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                            > > > > > > community
                            > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                            > > > > cannot be
                            > > > > > > one
                            > > > > > > > > dictator in
                            > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                            > > or
                            > > > > a
                            > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                            > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                            > > > > newsgroups
                            > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                            > > > > like
                            > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                            > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                            > > killed
                            > > > > him.
                            > > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                            > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                            > > > > > > acceptable.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                            > > > > > > offensive, in
                            > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                            > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                            > > again.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                            > > had
                            > > > > an
                            > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                            > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                            > > was
                            > > > > my
                            > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                            > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                            > > . I
                            > > > > made
                            > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                            > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                            > > > > > > moderators, I
                            > > > > > > > > suppose?
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                            > > do
                            > > > > > > pretty
                            > > > > > > > > darn well in
                            > > > > > > > > > life...
                            > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                            > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                            > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                            > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                            > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                            > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                            > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > > > > > > MODERATOR
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                            > > and
                            > > > > > > others.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                            > > your
                            > > > > > > nooist
                            > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                            > > > > evidence
                            > > > > > > many
                            > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                            > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                            > > management!
                            > > > > > > That
                            > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                            > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                            > > pleased
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > chat >
                            > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                            > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                            > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                            > > to
                            > > > > be
                            > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                            > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                            > > pulled
                            > > > > out
                            > > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > > > the race and
                            > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                            > > the
                            > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                            > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                            > > > > > > personally
                            > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                            > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                            > > then
                            > > > > > > temporary
                            > > > > > > > > kick.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                            > > I
                            > > > > put
                            > > > > > > up
                            > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                            > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                            > > is
                            > > > > why
                            > > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                            > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                            > > > > nothing
                            > > > > > > on
                            > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                            > > that
                            > > > > is
                            > > > > > > a
                            > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                            > > gross
                            > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                            > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                            > > moderation
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                            > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                            > > out
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > and still you
                            > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                            > > lis
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                            > > are
                            > > > > > > over
                            > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                            > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                            > > on
                            > > > > > > topic!
                            > > > > > > > > You did not make
                            > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                            > > > > suggested
                            > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > use of other
                            > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                            > > yours!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                            > > The
                            > > > > last
                            > > > > > > few
                            > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                            > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                            > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                            > > and
                            > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                            > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                            > > you
                            > > > > failed
                            > > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                            > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                            > > > > caused
                            > > > > > > by
                            > > > > > > > > your lack of
                            > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                            > > > > > > intervention.
                            > > > > > > > > No contigency
                            > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                            > > > > after a
                            > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                            > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                            > > > > inaction...
                            > > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                            > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                            > > > > ONLY
                            > > > > > > person
                            > > > > > > > > who was willing
                            > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                            > > back to
                            > > > > its
                            > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                            > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                            > > > > ignorant
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                            > > rude
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                            > > > > > > mailbox --
                            > > > > > > > > which ...
                            > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                            > > you
                            > > > > even
                            > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                            > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                            > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                            > > > > > > word
                            > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                            > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                            > > incompetence
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                            > > > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > > > list without
                            > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                            > > both
                            > > > > inept,
                            > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                            > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                            > > in
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > > > heat
                            > > > > > > > > of anger and
                            > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                            > > > > mismanagement
                            > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                            > > > > Existentialist
                            > > > > > > list
                            > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                            > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                            > > > > great
                            > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                            > > my
                            > > > > new
                            > > > > > > list.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                            > > ...
                            > > > > as
                            > > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                            > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                            > > done
                            > > > > > > elsewhere
                            > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                            > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                            > > > > achievments
                            > > > > > > ...
                            > > > > > > > > much larger than
                            > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                            > > nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                            > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                            > > Stay on
                            > > > > > > topic
                            > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                            > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                            > > great
                            > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                            > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                            > > nooist /
                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                            > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                            > > > > supposed
                            > > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                            > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                            > > booted
                            > > > > me.
                            > > > > > > It's
                            > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                            > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                            > > > > > > Existentialist
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                            > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                            > > arse
                            > > > > where
                            > > > > > > your
                            > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                            > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
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                            > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
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                          • manicpg
                            id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the business of being laughed at for being realists. let north meet south
                            Message 13 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                              id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the
                              business of being laughed at for being realists.

                              let north meet south



                              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Sue McPherson" <sue@m...> wrote:
                              > Mind your own business
                              >
                              > Sue McPherson
                              >
                              >
                              > >
                              > > Take you own advice.
                              > >
                              > > Lorna
                            • Lorna Landry
                              Gladly. Sue McPherson wrote:Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To:
                              Message 14 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                                Gladly.




                                Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                                Sue McPherson

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                >
                                > Take you own advice.
                                >
                                > Lorna
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                                to get along!
                                > There's no need for such impertinence.
                                >
                                > Sue McPherson
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                >
                                >
                                > > what's one??
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                > > >
                                > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > Sue,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                > > > >
                                > > > > eduard
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                > > to
                                > > > > this now, to the
                                > > > > > list.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Sue,
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                > > trying
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > eduard
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                > > <sue@...>
                                > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                > > for
                                > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                > > to
                                > > > > have
                                > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Chris,
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                > > I
                                > > > > mean,
                                > > > > > > he
                                > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                > > > > > > moderates a
                                > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                > > 600
                                > > > > > > members!!
                                > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                > > so.
                                > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                > > your
                                > > > > > > list.
                                > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                > > messages
                                > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                > > > > refused
                                > > > > > > to do
                                > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                > > and
                                > > > > > > every
                                > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                > > cant
                                > > > > > > have it
                                > > > > > > > > both ways.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                > > exposes
                                > > > > you to
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > public.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                > > the
                                > > > > posts
                                > > > > > > [I
                                > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                > > has
                                > > > > > > only
                                > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                > > of
                                > > > > input.
                                > > > > > > Of
                                > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                > > > > interested
                                > > > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                > > > > task to
                                > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                > > credentials
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > wrap
                                > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                > > superiority.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > eduard
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                > > <existlist1@...>
                                > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                > > > > > > co-moderators
                                > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                > > on
                                > > > > for
                                > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                > > Diana A
                                > > > > > > were
                                > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                > > > > > > contributor
                                > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                > > > > work, I
                                > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                > > being
                                > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                > > > > > > community
                                > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                > > > > cannot be
                                > > > > > > one
                                > > > > > > > > dictator in
                                > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                > > or
                                > > > > a
                                > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                > > > > newsgroups
                                > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                > > > > like
                                > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                > > killed
                                > > > > him.
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                > > > > > > acceptable.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                > > > > > > offensive, in
                                > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                > > again.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                > > had
                                > > > > an
                                > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                > > was
                                > > > > my
                                > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                > > . I
                                > > > > made
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                > > > > > > moderators, I
                                > > > > > > > > suppose?
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                > > do
                                > > > > > > pretty
                                > > > > > > > > darn well in
                                > > > > > > > > > life...
                                > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                > > and
                                > > > > > > others.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                > > your
                                > > > > > > nooist
                                > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                > > > > evidence
                                > > > > > > many
                                > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                > > management!
                                > > > > > > That
                                > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                > > pleased
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > chat >
                                > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                > > to
                                > > > > be
                                > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                > > pulled
                                > > > > out
                                > > > > > > of
                                > > > > > > > > the race and
                                > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                > > the
                                > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                > > > > > > personally
                                > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                > > then
                                > > > > > > temporary
                                > > > > > > > > kick.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                > > I
                                > > > > put
                                > > > > > > up
                                > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                > > is
                                > > > > why
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                > > > > nothing
                                > > > > > > on
                                > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                > > that
                                > > > > is
                                > > > > > > a
                                > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                > > gross
                                > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                > > moderation
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                > > out
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > and still you
                                > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                > > lis
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                > > are
                                > > > > > > over
                                > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                > > on
                                > > > > > > topic!
                                > > > > > > > > You did not make
                                > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                > > > > suggested
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > use of other
                                > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                > > yours!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                > > The
                                > > > > last
                                > > > > > > few
                                > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                > > and
                                > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                > > you
                                > > > > failed
                                > > > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                > > > > caused
                                > > > > > > by
                                > > > > > > > > your lack of
                                > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                > > > > > > intervention.
                                > > > > > > > > No contigency
                                > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                > > > > after a
                                > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                > > > > inaction...
                                > > > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                > > > > ONLY
                                > > > > > > person
                                > > > > > > > > who was willing
                                > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                > > back to
                                > > > > its
                                > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                > > > > ignorant
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                > > rude
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                > > > > > > mailbox --
                                > > > > > > > > which ...
                                > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                > > you
                                > > > > even
                                > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                > > > > > > word
                                > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                > > incompetence
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                > > > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > list without
                                > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                > > both
                                > > > > inept,
                                > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                > > in
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > > heat
                                > > > > > > > > of anger and
                                > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                > > > > mismanagement
                                > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > list
                                > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                > > > > great
                                > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                > > my
                                > > > > new
                                > > > > > > list.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                > > ...
                                > > > > as
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                > > done
                                > > > > > > elsewhere
                                > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                > > > > achievments
                                > > > > > > ...
                                > > > > > > > > much larger than
                                > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                > > nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                > > Stay on
                                > > > > > > topic
                                > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                > > great
                                > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                > > nooist /
                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                > > > > supposed
                                > > > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                > > booted
                                > > > > me.
                                > > > > > > It's
                                > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                > > > > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                > > arse
                                > > > > where
                                > > > > > > your
                                > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Mark
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > >
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                              • Lorna Landry
                                AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I M WRONG. LORNA Sue
                                Message 15 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
                                  AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

                                  LORNA




                                  Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                                  Sue McPherson

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                  >
                                  > Take you own advice.
                                  >
                                  > Lorna
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                                  to get along!
                                  > There's no need for such impertinence.
                                  >
                                  > Sue McPherson
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > > what's one??
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Sue McPherson
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Sue,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > eduard
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > this now, to the
                                  > > > > > list.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Sue,
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                  > > trying
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > eduard
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                  > > <sue@...>
                                  > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                  > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                  > > for
                                  > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > have
                                  > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                  > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                  > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > Chris,
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                  > > I
                                  > > > > mean,
                                  > > > > > > he
                                  > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                  > > > > > > moderates a
                                  > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                  > > 600
                                  > > > > > > members!!
                                  > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                  > > so.
                                  > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                  > > your
                                  > > > > > > list.
                                  > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                  > > messages
                                  > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                  > > > > refused
                                  > > > > > > to do
                                  > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > > > every
                                  > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                  > > cant
                                  > > > > > > have it
                                  > > > > > > > > both ways.
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                  > > exposes
                                  > > > > you to
                                  > > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > > > public.
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > posts
                                  > > > > > > [I
                                  > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                  > > has
                                  > > > > > > only
                                  > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                  > > of
                                  > > > > input.
                                  > > > > > > Of
                                  > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                  > > > > interested
                                  > > > > > > in
                                  > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                  > > > > task to
                                  > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                  > > credentials
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > wrap
                                  > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                  > > superiority.
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > eduard
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                  > > <existlist1@...>
                                  > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                  > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                  > > > > > > co-moderators
                                  > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                  > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                  > > on
                                  > > > > for
                                  > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                  > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                  > > Diana A
                                  > > > > > > were
                                  > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                  > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                  > > > > > > contributor
                                  > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                  > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                  > > > > work, I
                                  > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                  > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                  > > being
                                  > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                  > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                  > > > > > > community
                                  > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                  > > > > cannot be
                                  > > > > > > one
                                  > > > > > > > > dictator in
                                  > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                  > > or
                                  > > > > a
                                  > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                  > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                  > > > > newsgroups
                                  > > > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                  > > > > like
                                  > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                  > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                  > > killed
                                  > > > > him.
                                  > > > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                  > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                  > > > > > > acceptable.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                  > > > > > > offensive, in
                                  > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                  > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                  > > again.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                  > > had
                                  > > > > an
                                  > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                  > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                  > > was
                                  > > > > my
                                  > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                  > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                  > > . I
                                  > > > > made
                                  > > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                  > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                  > > > > > > moderators, I
                                  > > > > > > > > suppose?
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                  > > do
                                  > > > > > > pretty
                                  > > > > > > > > darn well in
                                  > > > > > > > > > life...
                                  > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                  > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                  > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                  > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                  > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                  > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                  > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > > > > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > > > others.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                  > > your
                                  > > > > > > nooist
                                  > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                  > > > > evidence
                                  > > > > > > many
                                  > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                  > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                  > > management!
                                  > > > > > > That
                                  > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                  > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                  > > pleased
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > chat >
                                  > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                  > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                  > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > be
                                  > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                  > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                  > > pulled
                                  > > > > out
                                  > > > > > > of
                                  > > > > > > > > the race and
                                  > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                  > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                  > > > > > > personally
                                  > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                  > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                  > > then
                                  > > > > > > temporary
                                  > > > > > > > > kick.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                  > > I
                                  > > > > put
                                  > > > > > > up
                                  > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                  > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                  > > is
                                  > > > > why
                                  > > > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                  > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                  > > > > nothing
                                  > > > > > > on
                                  > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                  > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                  > > that
                                  > > > > is
                                  > > > > > > a
                                  > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                  > > gross
                                  > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                  > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                  > > moderation
                                  > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                  > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                  > > out
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > you
                                  > > > > > > > > and still you
                                  > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                  > > lis
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                  > > are
                                  > > > > > > over
                                  > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                  > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                  > > on
                                  > > > > > > topic!
                                  > > > > > > > > You did not make
                                  > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                  > > > > suggested
                                  > > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > > > use of other
                                  > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                  > > yours!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                  > > The
                                  > > > > last
                                  > > > > > > few
                                  > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                  > > > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                  > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                  > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                  > > you
                                  > > > > failed
                                  > > > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                  > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                  > > > > caused
                                  > > > > > > by
                                  > > > > > > > > your lack of
                                  > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                  > > > > > > intervention.
                                  > > > > > > > > No contigency
                                  > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                  > > > > after a
                                  > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                  > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                  > > > > inaction...
                                  > > > > > > you
                                  > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                  > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                  > > > > ONLY
                                  > > > > > > person
                                  > > > > > > > > who was willing
                                  > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                  > > back to
                                  > > > > its
                                  > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                  > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                  > > > > ignorant
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                  > > rude
                                  > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                  > > > > > > mailbox --
                                  > > > > > > > > which ...
                                  > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                  > > you
                                  > > > > even
                                  > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                  > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                  > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                  > > > > > > word
                                  > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                  > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                  > > incompetence
                                  > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                  > > > > > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > > > list without
                                  > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                  > > both
                                  > > > > inept,
                                  > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                  > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                  > > in
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > heat
                                  > > > > > > > > of anger and
                                  > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                  > > > > mismanagement
                                  > > > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                  > > > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > list
                                  > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                  > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                  > > > > great
                                  > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                  > > my
                                  > > > > new
                                  > > > > > > list.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                  > > ...
                                  > > > > as
                                  > > > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                  > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                  > > done
                                  > > > > > > elsewhere
                                  > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                  > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                  > > > > achievments
                                  > > > > > > ...
                                  > > > > > > > > much larger than
                                  > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                  > > nooist /
                                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                  > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                  > > Stay on
                                  > > > > > > topic
                                  > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                  > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                  > > great
                                  > > > > you
                                  > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                  > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                  > > nooist /
                                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                  > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                  > > > > supposed
                                  > > > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                  > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                  > > booted
                                  > > > > me.
                                  > > > > > > It's
                                  > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                  > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                  > > > > > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                  > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                  > > arse
                                  > > > > where
                                  > > > > > > your
                                  > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                  > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > Mark
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                  > > > > removed]
                                  > > > > > > > > >
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