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  • Sue McPherson
    Members in the running - eduard and Sue. Voting for secondary moderator will continue, unless there are firm reasons put forth why it needn t continue, or
    Message 1 of 23 , Mar 28 2:33 AM
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      Members in the running - eduard and Sue.

      Voting for secondary moderator will continue,
      unless there are firm reasons put forth why it
      needn't continue, or shouldn't.

      At this point it should be made a rule that no further
      changes be made in who is standing for election.

      So, eduard, you need to make a decision on whether
      you really want to leave. You have said you are, but
      it is necessary at this point that you are clear about
      where you stand. Without your running for election
      for the post, it seems as though there would be no
      need for this decision to be made by list members.
      If you are withdrawing from the running, then that
      needs to be made clear. Please state your intentions.

      Also, those who have decided to run as secondary
      moderator should state their intention asap.

      Voting will continue until monday Mar 31,
      17.00 hours GMT or thereabouts (that's 12 noon or so
      in eduard's neck of the woods). Do members agree?

      Sue McPherson
    • Mark and Bev Tindall
      ... Voting for secondary moderator will continue, unless there are firm reasons put forth why it needn t continue, or shouldn t. At this point it should be
      Message 2 of 23 , Mar 28 3:25 AM
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        Sue wrote:

        >>>> Members in the running - eduard and Sue.

        Voting for secondary moderator will continue, unless there are firm reasons put forth why it needn't continue, or shouldn't.

        At this point it should be made a rule that no further changes be made in who is standing for election.

        So, eduard, you need to make a decision on whether you really want to leave. You have said you are, but it is necessary at this point that you are clear about
        where you stand. Without your running for election for the post, it seems as though there would be no need for this decision to be made by list members.

        If you are withdrawing from the running, then that needs to be made clear. Please state your intentions.

        Also, those who have decided to run as secondary moderator should state their intention asap.

        Voting will continue until monday Mar 31,
        17.00 hours GMT or thereabouts (that's 12 noon or so in eduard's neck of the woods). Do members agree? <<<<


        Yes. I do.


        Mark





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      • Sue McPherson
        Chris, I regret that I must turn down your offer of this appointment as moderator 3 for the existlist. Sue McPherson ... From: poetcsw
        Message 3 of 23 , Mar 28 10:23 PM
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          Chris,

          I regret that I must turn down your offer of this appointment
          as moderator 3 for the existlist.

          Sue McPherson


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "poetcsw" <existlist1@...>
          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:54 AM
          Subject: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


          > The "voting" is over. It wasn't about numbers alone, it was about
          > what a person would or would not add to the mix.
          >
          > Not that the two I have selected will enjoy it, and I expect they
          > might even "refuse" in a manner -- but that is the ideal for a person
          > to moderate a group.
          >
          > It is done.
          >
          > No more games.
          >
          > And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox -- which since I
          > am not in good health really ----ed me off big time.
          >
          > Never, ever flood someone. It's rude.
          >
          > - C. S. Wyatt
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        • Lorna Landry
          Sue, I haven t caught up with all the messages here yet, and read yours here first, but the lat time I was in here, you were one of the candidates for the
          Message 4 of 23 , Mar 28 10:32 PM
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            Sue,
            I haven't caught up with all the messages here yet, and read yours here first, but the lat time I was in here, you were one of the candidates for the position, and now you're turning it down? How come?
            Lorna

            Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Chris,

            I regret that I must turn down your offer of this appointment
            as moderator 3 for the existlist.

            Sue McPherson


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "poetcsw" <existlist1@...>
            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:54 AM
            Subject: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


            > The "voting" is over. It wasn't about numbers alone, it was about
            > what a person would or would not add to the mix.
            >
            > Not that the two I have selected will enjoy it, and I expect they
            > might even "refuse" in a manner -- but that is the ideal for a person
            > to moderate a group.
            >
            > It is done.
            >
            > No more games.
            >
            > And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox -- which since I
            > am not in good health really ----ed me off big time.
            >
            > Never, ever flood someone. It's rude.
            >
            > - C. S. Wyatt
            >
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          • Sue McPherson
            Your post is an example of one thing that s wrong with this list: too much action taken without enough thought beforehand. Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna
            Message 5 of 23 , Mar 28 10:40 PM
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              Your post is an example of one thing that's wrong with
              this list: too much action taken without enough thought
              beforehand.

              Sue McPherson


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:32 AM
              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


              >
              > Sue,
              > I haven't caught up with all the messages here yet, and read yours here
              first, but the lat time I was in here, you were one of the candidates for
              the position, and now you're turning it down? How come?
              > Lorna
              >
              > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Chris,
              >
              > I regret that I must turn down your offer of this appointment
              > as moderator 3 for the existlist.
              >
              > Sue McPherson
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "poetcsw" <existlist1@...>
              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:54 AM
              > Subject: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
              >
              >
              > > The "voting" is over. It wasn't about numbers alone, it was about
              > > what a person would or would not add to the mix.
              > >
              > > Not that the two I have selected will enjoy it, and I expect they
              > > might even "refuse" in a manner -- but that is the ideal for a person
              > > to moderate a group.
              > >
              > > It is done.
              > >
              > > No more games.
              > >
              > > And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox -- which since I
              > > am not in good health really ----ed me off big time.
              > >
              > > Never, ever flood someone. It's rude.
              > >
              > > - C. S. Wyatt
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            • Lorna Landry
              Alright Sue, I ve read all the messages, and I;m still not sure why you re declining the position. It looks like I put the cart before the horse, but it really
              Message 6 of 23 , Mar 28 10:54 PM
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                Alright Sue, I've read all the messages, and I;m still not sure why you're declining the position. It looks like I put the cart before the horse, but it really doesn't matter. And thank you for pointing out MY post as an example of what's wrong with the list...too much action??...I wasn't jumping up and down like a maniac while posting it or anything. I'm just curious...is that wrong?
                Lorna

                Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Your post is an example of one thing that's wrong with
                this list: too much action taken without enough thought
                beforehand.

                Sue McPherson


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:32 AM
                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                >
                > Sue,
                > I haven't caught up with all the messages here yet, and read yours here
                first, but the lat time I was in here, you were one of the candidates for
                the position, and now you're turning it down? How come?
                > Lorna
                >
                > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Chris,
                >
                > I regret that I must turn down your offer of this appointment
                > as moderator 3 for the existlist.
                >
                > Sue McPherson
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "poetcsw" <existlist1@...>
                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:54 AM
                > Subject: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                >
                >
                > > The "voting" is over. It wasn't about numbers alone, it was about
                > > what a person would or would not add to the mix.
                > >
                > > Not that the two I have selected will enjoy it, and I expect they
                > > might even "refuse" in a manner -- but that is the ideal for a person
                > > to moderate a group.
                > >
                > > It is done.
                > >
                > > No more games.
                > >
                > > And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox -- which since I
                > > am not in good health really ----ed me off big time.
                > >
                > > Never, ever flood someone. It's rude.
                > >
                > > - C. S. Wyatt
                > >
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              • Exist List Moderator
                ... From: Mark and Bev Tindall [mailto:tindall@networksmm.com.au] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 20:30 To: Exist List Moderator; Sue McPherson; Shari Hyder
                Message 7 of 23 , Mar 29 1:36 AM
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                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Mark and Bev Tindall [mailto:tindall@...]
                  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 20:30
                  To: Exist List Moderator; Sue McPherson; Shari Hyder
                  Subject: Fw: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                  Chris wrote:


                  > And I did remove Mark because he flooded > my mailbox -- which since I
                  > am not in good health really ----ed me > off big time.
                  >
                  >Never, ever flood someone. It's rude.


                  That was a rude and stupid decision without any consultation!!! You are
                  rude and ignorant, Chris!!!~ I was the only person who tried to help the
                  list and you booted me off. You are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                  You can't manage a bookstore an are incapable of running a list.

                  Reply if you have the guts!


                  Mark


                  You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others. Sue, Shari, and
                  others would have been pleased to chat on other topics. I think you will
                  find they are more responsible than most others on the list.

                  You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally and his silly "noo"
                  whatever was grounds for a warning, then temporary kick. Eduard, if you
                  check the membership logs, has rejoined the group four times. There are
                  reasons for this pattern... but I have no time to deal with them. People
                  come and go, from Yulian K. Gaard to others, we change members.

                  As for managing the bookstore -- a flood ruined the store. I suppose I could
                  not manage that -- it ruined the inventory and electrical systems of the
                  building. I am working to resolve the insurance issues, but legal systems
                  are not simple in California. In point of fact, I expanded the store from
                  850 sq feet to nearly 4000 sq feet, and I tripled sales in two years. I
                  suppose that is a sign of mismanagement.

                  My other businesses are still viable and doing well. (The other bookstore my
                  partner operates with her family is expanding, as well.)

                  You spent far too much time worrying about Eduard than he merits. Move on,
                  and contribute what you can. The list is more than ten years old for a
                  reason -- it helps many of us learn. The last few months, I admit have not
                  been constructive.

                  Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant of what I own, do, and
                  create. My web site barely hints at my works, which is all it should do.

                  Incapable of running a list? I helped promote alt.cyberpunk, alt.philosophy,
                  and other newsgroups from 1986 onward. I managed over 600 members on a
                  moderated list until my bike accident in 1997.

                  I hope you decide to remain, but with an "IGNORE" rule for Eduard and
                  "Messages containing text matching 'noo' in part."

                  May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                  - C. S. Wyatt
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                • Sue McPherson
                  I didn t drop out. Chris called off the election and appointed shari as second moderator. That was the post I was running for, in comepetition with eduard. If
                  Message 8 of 23 , Mar 29 2:02 AM
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                    I didn't drop out.

                    Chris called off the election and appointed shari as second moderator.
                    That was the post I was running for, in comepetition with eduard.
                    If youhad read some of the previous posts on the topic first, before
                    responding, that might have been clearer. I think most of them were
                    marked with either the heading "moderator" or to do with "VOTING."

                    Sue McPherson

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                    To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:54 AM
                    Subject: Re: [existlist] Dropping Out


                    >
                    > Alright Sue, I've read all the messages, and I;m still not sure why you're
                    declining the position. It looks like I put the cart before the horse, but
                    it really doesn't matter. And thank you for pointing out MY post as an
                    example of what's wrong with the list...too much action??...I wasn't jumping
                    up and down like a maniac while posting it or anything. I'm just
                    curious...is that wrong?
                    > Lorna
                    >
                    > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Your post is an
                    example of one thing that's wrong with
                    > this list: too much action taken without enough thought
                    > beforehand.
                    >
                    > Sue McPherson
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                    > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:32 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    >
                    >
                    > >
                    > > Sue,
                    > > I haven't caught up with all the messages here yet, and read yours here
                    > first, but the lat time I was in here, you were one of the candidates for
                    > the position, and now you're turning it down? How come?
                    > > Lorna
                    > >
                    > > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Chris,
                    > >
                    > > I regret that I must turn down your offer of this appointment
                    > > as moderator 3 for the existlist.
                    > >
                    > > Sue McPherson
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: "poetcsw" <existlist1@...>
                    > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:54 AM
                    > > Subject: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > The "voting" is over. It wasn't about numbers alone, it was about
                    > > > what a person would or would not add to the mix.
                    > > >
                    > > > Not that the two I have selected will enjoy it, and I expect they
                    > > > might even "refuse" in a manner -- but that is the ideal for a person
                    > > > to moderate a group.
                    > > >
                    > > > It is done.
                    > > >
                    > > > No more games.
                    > > >
                    > > > And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox -- which since I
                    > > > am not in good health really ----ed me off big time.
                    > > >
                    > > > Never, ever flood someone. It's rude.
                    > > >
                    > > > - C. S. Wyatt
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                  • yeoman
                    Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he has a library larger than anyone else s, and he moderates a group with 600 members. Did you
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                      Chris,

                      It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                      has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                      group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                      And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                      Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

                      And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                      Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                      challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                      so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                      other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                      both ways.

                      Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                      public.

                      Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                      don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                      complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                      course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                      learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                      learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                      the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

                      eduard


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                      To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                      Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                      > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                      immediately, two
                      > years ago.
                      >
                      > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                      academic reasons.
                      > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                      quite helpful during
                      > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                      and I miss his
                      > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                      believe, and Yulian
                      > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                      >
                      > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                      unavailable to manage the
                      > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                      dynamics.
                      >
                      > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                      dictator in
                      > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                      country. This forum is
                      > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                      mailing lists.
                      >
                      > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                      Stalin. Get real...
                      > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                      merely sought to
                      > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                      >
                      > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                      my opinion. I'm
                      > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                      >
                      > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                      accident years ago and
                      > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                      fault; I chose to race
                      > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                      decisions leading
                      > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                      suppose?
                      >
                      > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                      darn well in
                      > life...
                      > - C. S. Wyatt
                      > http://www.tameri.com
                      > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                      [mailto:tindall@...]
                      > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                      > To: Exist List Moderator
                      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                      >
                      >
                      > Thank you for your reply.
                      >
                      >
                      > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                      >
                      >
                      > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                      / Existentialist
                      > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                      times about Eduard
                      > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                      is irresponsible
                      > management and incompetence.
                      >
                      >
                      > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                      on other topics.
                      > I think you will find they are more
                      > > responsible than most others on the list.
                      >
                      >
                      > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                      secondary Moderator. I
                      > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                      the race and
                      > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                      position. I notice you
                      > did not appoint Eduard!
                      >
                      >
                      > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                      > and his silly
                      > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                      kick.
                      >
                      >
                      > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                      with his repeated
                      > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                      repeatedly
                      > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                      his nooist /
                      > Existentialist list!!!
                      >
                      >
                      > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                      > > sign of mismanagement.
                      >
                      >
                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                      mismanagement. Your
                      > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                      no-one was there to
                      > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                      and still you
                      > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                      >
                      >
                      > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                      >
                      >
                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                      300 members but only
                      > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                      You did not make
                      > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                      use of other
                      > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                      >
                      >
                      > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                      > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                      >
                      >
                      > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                      list! ABSOLUTELY
                      > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                      positivist science. I
                      > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                      act appropriately!
                      >
                      >
                      > > Incapable of running a list?
                      >
                      > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                      Existentialist list as was
                      > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                      your lack of
                      > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                      No contigency
                      > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                      flood of complaints
                      > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                      gave me a booting
                      > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                      who was willing
                      > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                      aims ... ME! Read
                      > the posts!
                      >
                      >
                      > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                      >
                      > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                      ingorant. I quote:
                      >
                      > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                      which ...
                      > really ----ed me off big time."
                      >
                      > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                      bother to read my
                      > posts and complaints????
                      >
                      > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                      'pissed'??) You
                      > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                      > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      >
                      > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                      list without
                      > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                      lacking insight and
                      > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                      of anger and
                      > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                      incompetence.
                      >
                      > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                      >
                      >
                      > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                      better ... if it
                      > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                      >
                      > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                      >
                      > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                      ignorance on his part."
                      >
                      > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                      >
                      >
                      > > My web site barely hints at my works
                      >
                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                      repeatedly pointed
                      > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                      or in the past.
                      > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                      much larger than
                      > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                      Existentialist list and
                      > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                      ... unlike your
                      > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                      >
                      > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                      are!!! (Read your
                      > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                      Existentialist list
                      > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                      >
                      > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                      >
                      > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                      >
                      > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                      >
                      > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                      >
                      > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                      >
                      > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                      >
                      > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                      be. I piss on
                      > every one of them!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > > I hope you decide to remain
                      >
                      >
                      > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                      rude and shows
                      > your incompetence.
                      >
                      > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                      list you can shove
                      > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                      head is!!!!! You
                      > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                      >
                      > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                      >
                      >
                      > Mark
                      >
                      >
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                      >
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                    • Sue McPherson
                      If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive. Or maybe she ll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR GRASP ON
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                        If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

                        Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
                        GRASP ON REALITY

                        Sue McPherson

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                        > Chris,
                        >
                        > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                        > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                        > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                        > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                        > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                        >
                        > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                        > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                        > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                        > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                        > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                        > both ways.
                        >
                        > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                        > public.
                        >
                        > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                        > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                        > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                        > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                        > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                        > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                        > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                        >
                        > eduard
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                        > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                        > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        >
                        >
                        > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                        > immediately, two
                        > > years ago.
                        > >
                        > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                        > academic reasons.
                        > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                        > quite helpful during
                        > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                        > and I miss his
                        > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                        > believe, and Yulian
                        > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                        > >
                        > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                        > unavailable to manage the
                        > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                        > dynamics.
                        > >
                        > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                        > dictator in
                        > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                        > country. This forum is
                        > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                        > mailing lists.
                        > >
                        > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                        > Stalin. Get real...
                        > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                        > merely sought to
                        > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                        > >
                        > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                        > my opinion. I'm
                        > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                        > >
                        > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                        > accident years ago and
                        > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                        > fault; I chose to race
                        > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                        > decisions leading
                        > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                        > suppose?
                        > >
                        > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                        > darn well in
                        > > life...
                        > > - C. S. Wyatt
                        > > http://www.tameri.com
                        > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                        > [mailto:tindall@...]
                        > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                        > > To: Exist List Moderator
                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Thank you for your reply.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                        > / Existentialist
                        > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                        > times about Eduard
                        > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                        > is irresponsible
                        > > management and incompetence.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                        > on other topics.
                        > > I think you will find they are more
                        > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                        > secondary Moderator. I
                        > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                        > the race and
                        > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                        > position. I notice you
                        > > did not appoint Eduard!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                        > > and his silly
                        > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                        > kick.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                        > with his repeated
                        > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                        > repeatedly
                        > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                        > his nooist /
                        > > Existentialist list!!!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                        > > > sign of mismanagement.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                        > mismanagement. Your
                        > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                        > no-one was there to
                        > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                        > and still you
                        > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                        > 300 members but only
                        > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                        > You did not make
                        > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                        > use of other
                        > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                        > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                        > list! ABSOLUTELY
                        > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                        > positivist science. I
                        > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                        > act appropriately!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Incapable of running a list?
                        > >
                        > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                        > Existentialist list as was
                        > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                        > your lack of
                        > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                        > No contigency
                        > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                        > flood of complaints
                        > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                        > gave me a booting
                        > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                        > who was willing
                        > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                        > aims ... ME! Read
                        > > the posts!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                        > >
                        > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                        > ingorant. I quote:
                        > >
                        > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                        > which ...
                        > > really ----ed me off big time."
                        > >
                        > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                        > bother to read my
                        > > posts and complaints????
                        > >
                        > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                        > 'pissed'??) You
                        > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                        > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        > >
                        > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                        > list without
                        > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                        > lacking insight and
                        > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                        > of anger and
                        > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                        > incompetence.
                        > >
                        > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                        > better ... if it
                        > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                        > >
                        > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                        > >
                        > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                        > ignorance on his part."
                        > >
                        > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                        > >
                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                        > repeatedly pointed
                        > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                        > or in the past.
                        > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                        > much larger than
                        > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                        > Existentialist list and
                        > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                        > ... unlike your
                        > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                        > >
                        > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                        > are!!! (Read your
                        > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                        > Existentialist list
                        > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                        > >
                        > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                        > >
                        > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                        > be. I piss on
                        > > every one of them!
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > I hope you decide to remain
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                        > rude and shows
                        > > your incompetence.
                        > >
                        > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                        > list you can shove
                        > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                        > head is!!!!! You
                        > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                        > >
                        > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Mark
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
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                      • yeoman
                        Sue, I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn t trying to make a big deal of it. eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To:
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                          Sue,

                          I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
                          make a big deal of it.

                          eduard

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                          > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
                          being so disruptive.
                          >
                          > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
                          A VERY POOR
                          > GRASP ON REALITY
                          >
                          > Sue McPherson
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          >
                          >
                          > > Chris,
                          > >
                          > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
                          he
                          > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                          moderates a
                          > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
                          members!!
                          > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                          > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                          > >
                          > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
                          list.
                          > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                          > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
                          to do
                          > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
                          every
                          > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
                          have it
                          > > both ways.
                          > >
                          > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
                          the
                          > > public.
                          > >
                          > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
                          [I
                          > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
                          only
                          > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
                          Of
                          > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
                          in
                          > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                          > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
                          wrap
                          > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                          > >
                          > > eduard
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                          > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                          > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                          co-moderators
                          > > immediately, two
                          > > > years ago.
                          > > >
                          > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                          > > academic reasons.
                          > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
                          were
                          > > quite helpful during
                          > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                          contributor
                          > > and I miss his
                          > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                          > > believe, and Yulian
                          > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                          > > >
                          > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                          > > unavailable to manage the
                          > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                          community
                          > > dynamics.
                          > > >
                          > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
                          one
                          > > dictator in
                          > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                          > > country. This forum is
                          > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
                          and
                          > > mailing lists.
                          > > >
                          > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                          > > Stalin. Get real...
                          > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
                          I
                          > > merely sought to
                          > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                          acceptable.
                          > > >
                          > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                          offensive, in
                          > > my opinion. I'm
                          > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                          > > >
                          > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                          > > accident years ago and
                          > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                          > > fault; I chose to race
                          > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
                          the
                          > > decisions leading
                          > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                          moderators, I
                          > > suppose?
                          > > >
                          > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
                          pretty
                          > > darn well in
                          > > > life...
                          > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                          > > > http://www.tameri.com
                          > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                          > > >
                          > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                          > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                          > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                          > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                          MODERATOR
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Thank you for your reply.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
                          others.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
                          nooist
                          > > / Existentialist
                          > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
                          many
                          > > times about Eduard
                          > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
                          That
                          > > is irresponsible
                          > > > management and incompetence.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
                          chat >
                          > > on other topics.
                          > > > I think you will find they are more
                          > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                          > > secondary Moderator. I
                          > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
                          of
                          > > the race and
                          > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                          > > position. I notice you
                          > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                          personally
                          > > > and his silly
                          > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
                          temporary
                          > > kick.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
                          up
                          > > with his repeated
                          > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
                          I
                          > > repeatedly
                          > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
                          on
                          > > his nooist /
                          > > > Existentialist list!!!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
                          a
                          > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                          > > mismanagement. Your
                          > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                          > > no-one was there to
                          > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
                          you
                          > > and still you
                          > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
                          over
                          > > 300 members but only
                          > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
                          topic!
                          > > You did not make
                          > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
                          the
                          > > use of other
                          > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
                          few
                          > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                          > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                          > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                          > > positivist science. I
                          > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
                          to
                          > > act appropriately!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                          > > >
                          > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                          > > Existentialist list as was
                          > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
                          by
                          > > your lack of
                          > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                          intervention.
                          > > No contigency
                          > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                          > > flood of complaints
                          > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
                          you
                          > > gave me a booting
                          > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
                          person
                          > > who was willing
                          > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                          > > aims ... ME! Read
                          > > > the posts!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                          > > >
                          > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                          > > ingorant. I quote:
                          > > >
                          > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                          mailbox --
                          > > which ...
                          > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                          > > >
                          > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                          > > bother to read my
                          > > > posts and complaints????
                          > > >
                          > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
                          word
                          > > 'pissed'??) You
                          > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                          > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          > > >
                          > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                          Existentialist
                          > > list without
                          > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                          > > lacking insight and
                          > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
                          heat
                          > > of anger and
                          > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
                          and
                          > > incompetence.
                          > > >
                          > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
                          list
                          > > better ... if it
                          > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                          > > >
                          > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                          > > >
                          > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                          > > ignorance on his part."
                          > > >
                          > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
                          list.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                          > > >
                          > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
                          I
                          > > repeatedly pointed
                          > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
                          elsewhere
                          > > or in the past.
                          > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
                          ...
                          > > much larger than
                          > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                          > > Existentialist list and
                          > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
                          topic
                          > > ... unlike your
                          > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                          > > >
                          > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                          > > are!!! (Read your
                          > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                          > > Existentialist list
                          > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                          > > >
                          > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                          > > >
                          > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                          > > >
                          > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                          > > >
                          > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                          > > >
                          > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                          > > >
                          > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                          > > >
                          > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
                          to
                          > > be. I piss on
                          > > > every one of them!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
                          It's
                          > > rude and shows
                          > > > your incompetence.
                          > > >
                          > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                          Existentialist
                          > > list you can shove
                          > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
                          your
                          > > head is!!!!! You
                          > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                          > > >
                          > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Mark
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                          If you really were sorry, you wouldn t be responding to this now, to the list. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
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                            If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to this now, to the
                            list.

                            Sue McPherson


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                            > Sue,
                            >
                            > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying to
                            > make a big deal of it.
                            >
                            > eduard
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            >
                            >
                            > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
                            > being so disruptive.
                            > >
                            > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have
                            > A VERY POOR
                            > > GRASP ON REALITY
                            > >
                            > > Sue McPherson
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > Chris,
                            > > >
                            > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean,
                            > he
                            > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                            > moderates a
                            > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
                            > members!!
                            > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                            > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                            > > >
                            > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
                            > list.
                            > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                            > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused
                            > to do
                            > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
                            > every
                            > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
                            > have it
                            > > > both ways.
                            > > >
                            > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to
                            > the
                            > > > public.
                            > > >
                            > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts
                            > [I
                            > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
                            > only
                            > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of input.
                            > Of
                            > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested
                            > in
                            > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                            > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to
                            > wrap
                            > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                            > > >
                            > > > eduard
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                            > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                            > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                            > co-moderators
                            > > > immediately, two
                            > > > > years ago.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                            > > > academic reasons.
                            > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
                            > were
                            > > > quite helpful during
                            > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                            > contributor
                            > > > and I miss his
                            > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                            > > > believe, and Yulian
                            > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                            > > > unavailable to manage the
                            > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                            > community
                            > > > dynamics.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be
                            > one
                            > > > dictator in
                            > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                            > > > country. This forum is
                            > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups
                            > and
                            > > > mailing lists.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                            > > > Stalin. Get real...
                            > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him.
                            > I
                            > > > merely sought to
                            > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                            > acceptable.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                            > offensive, in
                            > > > my opinion. I'm
                            > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                            > > > accident years ago and
                            > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                            > > > fault; I chose to race
                            > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made
                            > the
                            > > > decisions leading
                            > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                            > moderators, I
                            > > > suppose?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
                            > pretty
                            > > > darn well in
                            > > > > life...
                            > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                            > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                            > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                            > > > >
                            > > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                            > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                            > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                            > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                            > MODERATOR
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
                            > others.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
                            > nooist
                            > > > / Existentialist
                            > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence
                            > many
                            > > > times about Eduard
                            > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
                            > That
                            > > > is irresponsible
                            > > > > management and incompetence.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to
                            > chat >
                            > > > on other topics.
                            > > > > I think you will find they are more
                            > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                            > > > secondary Moderator. I
                            > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out
                            > of
                            > > > the race and
                            > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                            > > > position. I notice you
                            > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                            > personally
                            > > > > and his silly
                            > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
                            > temporary
                            > > > kick.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put
                            > up
                            > > > with his repeated
                            > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why
                            > I
                            > > > repeatedly
                            > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing
                            > on
                            > > > his nooist /
                            > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is
                            > a
                            > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                            > > > mismanagement. Your
                            > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                            > > > no-one was there to
                            > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to
                            > you
                            > > > and still you
                            > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
                            > over
                            > > > 300 members but only
                            > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
                            > topic!
                            > > > You did not make
                            > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested
                            > the
                            > > > use of other
                            > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last
                            > few
                            > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                            > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                            > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                            > > > positivist science. I
                            > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed
                            > to
                            > > > act appropriately!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                            > > > Existentialist list as was
                            > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused
                            > by
                            > > > your lack of
                            > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                            > intervention.
                            > > > No contigency
                            > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                            > > > flood of complaints
                            > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction...
                            > you
                            > > > gave me a booting
                            > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY
                            > person
                            > > > who was willing
                            > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                            > > > aims ... ME! Read
                            > > > > the posts!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                            > > > ingorant. I quote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                            > mailbox --
                            > > > which ...
                            > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                            > > > bother to read my
                            > > > > posts and complaints????
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon
                            > word
                            > > > 'pissed'??) You
                            > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                            > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                            > Existentialist
                            > > > list without
                            > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                            > > > lacking insight and
                            > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the
                            > heat
                            > > > of anger and
                            > > > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement
                            > and
                            > > > incompetence.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist
                            > list
                            > > > better ... if it
                            > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                            > > > >
                            > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                            > > > ignorance on his part."
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new
                            > list.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as
                            > I
                            > > > repeatedly pointed
                            > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
                            > elsewhere
                            > > > or in the past.
                            > > > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments
                            > ...
                            > > > much larger than
                            > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                            > > > Existentialist list and
                            > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
                            > topic
                            > > > ... unlike your
                            > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                            > > > are!!! (Read your
                            > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                            > > > Existentialist list
                            > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed
                            > to
                            > > > be. I piss on
                            > > > > every one of them!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me.
                            > It's
                            > > > rude and shows
                            > > > > your incompetence.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                            > Existentialist
                            > > > list you can shove
                            > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where
                            > your
                            > > > head is!!!!! You
                            > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Mark
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                          • yeoman
                            Sue, Thankyou for your perceptive note... eduard ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday,
                            Message 13 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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                              Sue,

                              Thankyou for your perceptive note...

                              eduard

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                              To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                              Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                              > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
                              this now, to the
                              > list.
                              >
                              > Sue McPherson
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              >
                              >
                              > > Sue,
                              > >
                              > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
                              to
                              > > make a big deal of it.
                              > >
                              > > eduard
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                              > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                              > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
                              > > being so disruptive.
                              > > >
                              > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
                              have
                              > > A VERY POOR
                              > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                              > > >
                              > > > Sue McPherson
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                              > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              MODERATOR
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Chris,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
                              mean,
                              > > he
                              > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                              > > moderates a
                              > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
                              > > members!!
                              > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                              > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
                              > > list.
                              > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                              > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                              refused
                              > > to do
                              > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
                              > > every
                              > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
                              > > have it
                              > > > > both ways.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
                              you to
                              > > the
                              > > > > public.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
                              posts
                              > > [I
                              > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
                              > > only
                              > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
                              input.
                              > > Of
                              > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                              interested
                              > > in
                              > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                              task to
                              > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
                              to
                              > > wrap
                              > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > eduard
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                              > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                              > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              MODERATOR
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                              > > co-moderators
                              > > > > immediately, two
                              > > > > > years ago.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
                              for
                              > > > > academic reasons.
                              > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
                              > > were
                              > > > > quite helpful during
                              > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                              > > contributor
                              > > > > and I miss his
                              > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                              work, I
                              > > > > believe, and Yulian
                              > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                              > > > > unavailable to manage the
                              > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                              > > community
                              > > > > dynamics.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                              cannot be
                              > > one
                              > > > > dictator in
                              > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
                              a
                              > > > > country. This forum is
                              > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                              newsgroups
                              > > and
                              > > > > mailing lists.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                              like
                              > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                              > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
                              him.
                              > > I
                              > > > > merely sought to
                              > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                              > > acceptable.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                              > > offensive, in
                              > > > > my opinion. I'm
                              > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
                              an
                              > > > > accident years ago and
                              > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
                              my
                              > > > > fault; I chose to race
                              > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
                              made
                              > > the
                              > > > > decisions leading
                              > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                              > > moderators, I
                              > > > > suppose?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
                              > > pretty
                              > > > > darn well in
                              > > > > > life...
                              > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                              > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                              > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                              > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                              > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                              > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                              > > MODERATOR
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
                              > > others.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
                              > > nooist
                              > > > > / Existentialist
                              > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                              evidence
                              > > many
                              > > > > times about Eduard
                              > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
                              > > That
                              > > > > is irresponsible
                              > > > > > management and incompetence.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
                              to
                              > > chat >
                              > > > > on other topics.
                              > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                              > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
                              be
                              > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                              > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
                              out
                              > > of
                              > > > > the race and
                              > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                              > > > > position. I notice you
                              > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                              > > personally
                              > > > > > and his silly
                              > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
                              > > temporary
                              > > > > kick.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
                              put
                              > > up
                              > > > > with his repeated
                              > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
                              why
                              > > I
                              > > > > repeatedly
                              > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                              nothing
                              > > on
                              > > > > his nooist /
                              > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
                              is
                              > > a
                              > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                              > > > > mismanagement. Your
                              > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
                              and
                              > > > > no-one was there to
                              > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
                              to
                              > > you
                              > > > > and still you
                              > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
                              > > over
                              > > > > 300 members but only
                              > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
                              > > topic!
                              > > > > You did not make
                              > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                              suggested
                              > > the
                              > > > > use of other
                              > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
                              last
                              > > few
                              > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                              Existentialist
                              > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                              > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                              > > > > positivist science. I
                              > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
                              failed
                              > > to
                              > > > > act appropriately!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist list as was
                              > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                              caused
                              > > by
                              > > > > your lack of
                              > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                              > > intervention.
                              > > > > No contigency
                              > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                              after a
                              > > > > flood of complaints
                              > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                              inaction...
                              > > you
                              > > > > gave me a booting
                              > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                              ONLY
                              > > person
                              > > > > who was willing
                              > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
                              its
                              > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                              > > > > > the posts!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                              ignorant
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
                              and
                              > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                              > > mailbox --
                              > > > > which ...
                              > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
                              even
                              > > > > bother to read my
                              > > > > > posts and complaints????
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                              Anglo-Saxon
                              > > word
                              > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                              > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
                              and
                              > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                              > > Existentialist
                              > > > > list without
                              > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
                              inept,
                              > > > > lacking insight and
                              > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
                              the
                              > > heat
                              > > > > of anger and
                              > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                              mismanagement
                              > > and
                              > > > > incompetence.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                              Existentialist
                              > > list
                              > > > > better ... if it
                              > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                              great
                              > > > > ignorance on his part."
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
                              new
                              > > list.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
                              as
                              > > I
                              > > > > repeatedly pointed
                              > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
                              > > elsewhere
                              > > > > or in the past.
                              > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                              achievments
                              > > ...
                              > > > > much larger than
                              > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist list and
                              > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
                              > > topic
                              > > > > ... unlike your
                              > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
                              you
                              > > > > are!!! (Read your
                              > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                              > > > > Existentialist list
                              > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                              supposed
                              > > to
                              > > > > be. I piss on
                              > > > > > every one of them!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
                              me.
                              > > It's
                              > > > > rude and shows
                              > > > > > your incompetence.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                              > > Existentialist
                              > > > > list you can shove
                              > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
                              where
                              > > your
                              > > > > head is!!!!! You
                              > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Mark
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
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                            • Sue McPherson
                              Wrong answer, eduard. That s one. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                              Message 14 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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                                Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.

                                Sue McPherson

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                > Sue,
                                >
                                > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                >
                                > eduard
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                >
                                >
                                > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding to
                                > this now, to the
                                > > list.
                                > >
                                > > Sue McPherson
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Sue,
                                > > >
                                > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't trying
                                > to
                                > > > make a big deal of it.
                                > > >
                                > > > eduard
                                > > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for
                                > > > being so disruptive.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to
                                > have
                                > > > A VERY POOR
                                > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Sue McPherson
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > MODERATOR
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > Chris,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
                                > mean,
                                > > > he
                                > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                > > > moderates a
                                > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600
                                > > > members!!
                                > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                                > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your
                                > > > list.
                                > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                                > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                > refused
                                > > > to do
                                > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and
                                > > > every
                                > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant
                                > > > have it
                                > > > > > both ways.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes
                                > you to
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > public.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the
                                > posts
                                > > > [I
                                > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has
                                > > > only
                                > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way of
                                > input.
                                > > > Of
                                > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                > interested
                                > > > in
                                > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                > task to
                                > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials
                                > to
                                > > > wrap
                                > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > eduard
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                                > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > MODERATOR
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                > > > co-moderators
                                > > > > > immediately, two
                                > > > > > > years ago.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on
                                > for
                                > > > > > academic reasons.
                                > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A
                                > > > were
                                > > > > > quite helpful during
                                > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                > > > contributor
                                > > > > > and I miss his
                                > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                > work, I
                                > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                                > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                > > > community
                                > > > > > dynamics.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                > cannot be
                                > > > one
                                > > > > > dictator in
                                > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or
                                > a
                                > > > > > country. This forum is
                                > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                > newsgroups
                                > > > and
                                > > > > > mailing lists.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                > like
                                > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed
                                > him.
                                > > > I
                                > > > > > merely sought to
                                > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                > > > acceptable.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                > > > offensive, in
                                > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had
                                > an
                                > > > > > accident years ago and
                                > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was
                                > my
                                > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I
                                > made
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > decisions leading
                                > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                > > > moderators, I
                                > > > > > suppose?
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do
                                > > > pretty
                                > > > > > darn well in
                                > > > > > > life...
                                > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                > > > MODERATOR
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and
                                > > > others.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your
                                > > > nooist
                                > > > > > / Existentialist
                                > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                > evidence
                                > > > many
                                > > > > > times about Eduard
                                > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good management!
                                > > > That
                                > > > > > is irresponsible
                                > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased
                                > to
                                > > > chat >
                                > > > > > on other topics.
                                > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to
                                > be
                                > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled
                                > out
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > the race and
                                > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                                > > > > > position. I notice you
                                > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                > > > personally
                                > > > > > > and his silly
                                > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then
                                > > > temporary
                                > > > > > kick.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I
                                > put
                                > > > up
                                > > > > > with his repeated
                                > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is
                                > why
                                > > > I
                                > > > > > repeatedly
                                > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                > nothing
                                > > > on
                                > > > > > his nooist /
                                > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that
                                > is
                                > > > a
                                > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                                > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation
                                > and
                                > > > > > no-one was there to
                                > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out
                                > to
                                > > > you
                                > > > > > and still you
                                > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are
                                > > > over
                                > > > > > 300 members but only
                                > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on
                                > > > topic!
                                > > > > > You did not make
                                > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                > suggested
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > use of other
                                > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The
                                > last
                                > > > few
                                > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                > Existentialist
                                > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                                > > > > > positivist science. I
                                > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and you
                                > failed
                                > > > to
                                > > > > > act appropriately!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                > caused
                                > > > by
                                > > > > > your lack of
                                > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                > > > intervention.
                                > > > > > No contigency
                                > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                > after a
                                > > > > > flood of complaints
                                > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                > inaction...
                                > > > you
                                > > > > > gave me a booting
                                > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                > ONLY
                                > > > person
                                > > > > > who was willing
                                > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to
                                > its
                                > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                > > > > > > the posts!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                > ignorant
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude
                                > and
                                > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                > > > mailbox --
                                > > > > > which ...
                                > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you
                                > even
                                > > > > > bother to read my
                                > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                > Anglo-Saxon
                                > > > word
                                > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence
                                > and
                                > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > list without
                                > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both
                                > inept,
                                > > > > > lacking insight and
                                > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in
                                > the
                                > > > heat
                                > > > > > of anger and
                                > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                > mismanagement
                                > > > and
                                > > > > > incompetence.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                > Existentialist
                                > > > list
                                > > > > > better ... if it
                                > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                > great
                                > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my
                                > new
                                > > > list.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ...
                                > as
                                > > > I
                                > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done
                                > > > elsewhere
                                > > > > > or in the past.
                                > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                > achievments
                                > > > ...
                                > > > > > much larger than
                                > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                                > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on
                                > > > topic
                                > > > > > ... unlike your
                                > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great
                                > you
                                > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                                > > > > > Existentialist list
                                > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                > supposed
                                > > > to
                                > > > > > be. I piss on
                                > > > > > > every one of them!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted
                                > me.
                                > > > It's
                                > > > > > rude and shows
                                > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                > > > Existentialist
                                > > > > > list you can shove
                                > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse
                                > where
                                > > > your
                                > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Mark
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
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                              • yeoman
                                what s one?? ... From: Sue McPherson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re:
                                Message 15 of 23 , Apr 1, 2003
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                                  what's one??

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                  > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                  >
                                  > Sue McPherson
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > > Sue,
                                  > >
                                  > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                  > >
                                  > > eduard
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                  to
                                  > > this now, to the
                                  > > > list.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Sue McPherson
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  MODERATOR
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Sue,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                  trying
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > eduard
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                  <sue@...>
                                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  MODERATOR
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                  for
                                  > > > > being so disruptive.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                  to
                                  > > have
                                  > > > > A VERY POOR
                                  > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Chris,
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                  I
                                  > > mean,
                                  > > > > he
                                  > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                  > > > > moderates a
                                  > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                  600
                                  > > > > members!!
                                  > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                  so.
                                  > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                  your
                                  > > > > list.
                                  > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                  messages
                                  > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                  > > refused
                                  > > > > to do
                                  > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                  and
                                  > > > > every
                                  > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                  cant
                                  > > > > have it
                                  > > > > > > both ways.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                  exposes
                                  > > you to
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > public.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                  the
                                  > > posts
                                  > > > > [I
                                  > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                  has
                                  > > > > only
                                  > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                  of
                                  > > input.
                                  > > > > Of
                                  > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                  > > interested
                                  > > > > in
                                  > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                  > > task to
                                  > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                  credentials
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > wrap
                                  > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                  superiority.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > eduard
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                  <existlist1@...>
                                  > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                  > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                  > > > > co-moderators
                                  > > > > > > immediately, two
                                  > > > > > > > years ago.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                  on
                                  > > for
                                  > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                  > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                  Diana A
                                  > > > > were
                                  > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                  > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                  > > > > contributor
                                  > > > > > > and I miss his
                                  > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                  > > work, I
                                  > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                  > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                  being
                                  > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                  > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                  > > > > community
                                  > > > > > > dynamics.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                  > > cannot be
                                  > > > > one
                                  > > > > > > dictator in
                                  > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                  or
                                  > > a
                                  > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                  > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                  > > newsgroups
                                  > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                  > > like
                                  > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                  > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                  killed
                                  > > him.
                                  > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > merely sought to
                                  > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                  > > > > acceptable.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                  > > > > offensive, in
                                  > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                  > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                  again.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                  had
                                  > > an
                                  > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                  > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                  was
                                  > > my
                                  > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                  > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                  . I
                                  > > made
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > decisions leading
                                  > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                  > > > > moderators, I
                                  > > > > > > suppose?
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                  do
                                  > > > > pretty
                                  > > > > > > darn well in
                                  > > > > > > > life...
                                  > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                  > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                  > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                  > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                  > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                  > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                  > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                  > > > > MODERATOR
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                  and
                                  > > > > others.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                  your
                                  > > > > nooist
                                  > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                  > > evidence
                                  > > > > many
                                  > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                  > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                  management!
                                  > > > > That
                                  > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                  > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                  pleased
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > chat >
                                  > > > > > > on other topics.
                                  > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                  > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                  to
                                  > > be
                                  > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                  > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                  pulled
                                  > > out
                                  > > > > of
                                  > > > > > > the race and
                                  > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                  the
                                  > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                  > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                  > > > > personally
                                  > > > > > > > and his silly
                                  > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                  then
                                  > > > > temporary
                                  > > > > > > kick.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                  I
                                  > > put
                                  > > > > up
                                  > > > > > > with his repeated
                                  > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                  is
                                  > > why
                                  > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > repeatedly
                                  > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                  > > nothing
                                  > > > > on
                                  > > > > > > his nooist /
                                  > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                  that
                                  > > is
                                  > > > > a
                                  > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                  gross
                                  > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                  > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                  moderation
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                  > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                  out
                                  > > to
                                  > > > > you
                                  > > > > > > and still you
                                  > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                  lis
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                  are
                                  > > > > over
                                  > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                  > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                  on
                                  > > > > topic!
                                  > > > > > > You did not make
                                  > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                  > > suggested
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > > > use of other
                                  > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                  yours!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                  The
                                  > > last
                                  > > > > few
                                  > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                  > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                  > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                  and
                                  > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                  > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                  you
                                  > > failed
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                  > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                  > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                  > > caused
                                  > > > > by
                                  > > > > > > your lack of
                                  > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                  > > > > intervention.
                                  > > > > > > No contigency
                                  > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                  > > after a
                                  > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                  > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                  > > inaction...
                                  > > > > you
                                  > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                  > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                  > > ONLY
                                  > > > > person
                                  > > > > > > who was willing
                                  > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                  back to
                                  > > its
                                  > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                  > > > > > > > the posts!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                  > > ignorant
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                  rude
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                  > > > > mailbox --
                                  > > > > > > which ...
                                  > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                  you
                                  > > even
                                  > > > > > > bother to read my
                                  > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                  > > Anglo-Saxon
                                  > > > > word
                                  > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                  > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                  incompetence
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                  > > > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > list without
                                  > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                  both
                                  > > inept,
                                  > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                  > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                  in
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > heat
                                  > > > > > > of anger and
                                  > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                  > > mismanagement
                                  > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > incompetence.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                  > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > list
                                  > > > > > > better ... if it
                                  > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                  > > great
                                  > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                  my
                                  > > new
                                  > > > > list.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                  ...
                                  > > as
                                  > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                  > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                  done
                                  > > > > elsewhere
                                  > > > > > > or in the past.
                                  > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                  > > achievments
                                  > > > > ...
                                  > > > > > > much larger than
                                  > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                  nooist /
                                  > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                  > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                  Stay on
                                  > > > > topic
                                  > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                  > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                  great
                                  > > you
                                  > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                  > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                  nooist /
                                  > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                  > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                  > > supposed
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                  > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                  booted
                                  > > me.
                                  > > > > It's
                                  > > > > > > rude and shows
                                  > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                  > > > > Existentialist
                                  > > > > > > list you can shove
                                  > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                  arse
                                  > > where
                                  > > > > your
                                  > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                  > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Mark
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
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                                • Sue McPherson
                                  Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue McPherson ... From: yeoman To:
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                                    Try a little harder to get along!
                                    There's no need for such impertinence.

                                    Sue McPherson

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                    To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                    > what's one??
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                    > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                    > >
                                    > > Sue McPherson
                                    > >
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                    > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > > Sue,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > eduard
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                    > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                    > to
                                    > > > this now, to the
                                    > > > > list.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Sue McPherson
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                    > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                    > MODERATOR
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Sue,
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                    > trying
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > eduard
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                    > <sue@...>
                                    > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                    > MODERATOR
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                    > for
                                    > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                    > to
                                    > > > have
                                    > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                    > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                    > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                    > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                    > > > MODERATOR
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Chris,
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                    > I
                                    > > > mean,
                                    > > > > > he
                                    > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                    > > > > > moderates a
                                    > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                    > 600
                                    > > > > > members!!
                                    > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                    > so.
                                    > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                    > your
                                    > > > > > list.
                                    > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                    > messages
                                    > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                    > > > refused
                                    > > > > > to do
                                    > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                    > and
                                    > > > > > every
                                    > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                    > cant
                                    > > > > > have it
                                    > > > > > > > both ways.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                    > exposes
                                    > > > you to
                                    > > > > > the
                                    > > > > > > > public.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                    > the
                                    > > > posts
                                    > > > > > [I
                                    > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                    > has
                                    > > > > > only
                                    > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                    > of
                                    > > > input.
                                    > > > > > Of
                                    > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                    > > > interested
                                    > > > > > in
                                    > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                    > > > task to
                                    > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                    > credentials
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > > wrap
                                    > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                    > superiority.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > eduard
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                    > <existlist1@...>
                                    > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                    > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                    > > > MODERATOR
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                    > > > > > co-moderators
                                    > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                    > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                    > on
                                    > > > for
                                    > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                    > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                    > Diana A
                                    > > > > > were
                                    > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                    > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                    > > > > > contributor
                                    > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                    > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                    > > > work, I
                                    > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                    > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                    > being
                                    > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                    > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                    > > > > > community
                                    > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                    > > > cannot be
                                    > > > > > one
                                    > > > > > > > dictator in
                                    > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                    > or
                                    > > > a
                                    > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                    > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                    > > > newsgroups
                                    > > > > > and
                                    > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                    > > > like
                                    > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                    > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                    > killed
                                    > > > him.
                                    > > > > > I
                                    > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                    > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                    > > > > > acceptable.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                    > > > > > offensive, in
                                    > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                    > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                    > again.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                    > had
                                    > > > an
                                    > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                    > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                    > was
                                    > > > my
                                    > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                    > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                    > . I
                                    > > > made
                                    > > > > > the
                                    > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                    > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                    > > > > > moderators, I
                                    > > > > > > > suppose?
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                    > do
                                    > > > > > pretty
                                    > > > > > > > darn well in
                                    > > > > > > > > life...
                                    > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                    > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                    > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                    > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                    > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                    > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                    > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                    > > > > > MODERATOR
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                    > and
                                    > > > > > others.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                    > your
                                    > > > > > nooist
                                    > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                    > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                    > > > evidence
                                    > > > > > many
                                    > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                    > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                    > management!
                                    > > > > > That
                                    > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                    > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                    > pleased
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > > chat >
                                    > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                    > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                    > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                    > to
                                    > > > be
                                    > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                    > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                    > pulled
                                    > > > out
                                    > > > > > of
                                    > > > > > > > the race and
                                    > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                    > the
                                    > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                    > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                    > > > > > personally
                                    > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                    > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                    > then
                                    > > > > > temporary
                                    > > > > > > > kick.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                    > I
                                    > > > put
                                    > > > > > up
                                    > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                    > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                    > is
                                    > > > why
                                    > > > > > I
                                    > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                    > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                    > > > nothing
                                    > > > > > on
                                    > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                    > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                    > that
                                    > > > is
                                    > > > > > a
                                    > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                    > gross
                                    > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                    > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                    > moderation
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                    > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                    > out
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > > you
                                    > > > > > > > and still you
                                    > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                    > lis
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                    > are
                                    > > > > > over
                                    > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                    > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                    > on
                                    > > > > > topic!
                                    > > > > > > > You did not make
                                    > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                    > > > suggested
                                    > > > > > the
                                    > > > > > > > use of other
                                    > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                    > yours!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                    > The
                                    > > > last
                                    > > > > > few
                                    > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                    > > > Existentialist
                                    > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                    > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                    > and
                                    > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                    > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                    > you
                                    > > > failed
                                    > > > > > to
                                    > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                    > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                    > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                    > > > caused
                                    > > > > > by
                                    > > > > > > > your lack of
                                    > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                    > > > > > intervention.
                                    > > > > > > > No contigency
                                    > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                    > > > after a
                                    > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                    > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                    > > > inaction...
                                    > > > > > you
                                    > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                    > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                    > > > ONLY
                                    > > > > > person
                                    > > > > > > > who was willing
                                    > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                    > back to
                                    > > > its
                                    > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                    > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                    > > > ignorant
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                    > rude
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                    > > > > > mailbox --
                                    > > > > > > > which ...
                                    > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                    > you
                                    > > > even
                                    > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                    > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                    > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                    > > > > > word
                                    > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                    > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                    > incompetence
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                    > > > > > Existentialist
                                    > > > > > > > list without
                                    > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                    > both
                                    > > > inept,
                                    > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                    > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                    > in
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > > heat
                                    > > > > > > > of anger and
                                    > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                    > > > mismanagement
                                    > > > > > and
                                    > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                    > > > Existentialist
                                    > > > > > list
                                    > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                    > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                    > > > great
                                    > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                    > my
                                    > > > new
                                    > > > > > list.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                    > ...
                                    > > > as
                                    > > > > > I
                                    > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                    > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                    > done
                                    > > > > > elsewhere
                                    > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                    > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                    > > > achievments
                                    > > > > > ...
                                    > > > > > > > much larger than
                                    > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                    > nooist /
                                    > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                    > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                    > Stay on
                                    > > > > > topic
                                    > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                    > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                    > great
                                    > > > you
                                    > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                    > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                    > nooist /
                                    > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                    > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                    > > > supposed
                                    > > > > > to
                                    > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                    > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                    > booted
                                    > > > me.
                                    > > > > > It's
                                    > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                    > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                    > > > > > Existentialist
                                    > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                    > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                    > arse
                                    > > > where
                                    > > > > > your
                                    > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                    > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > Mark
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                    > > > removed]
                                    > > > > > > > >
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                                  • Lorna Landry
                                    Eduard, Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris? Lorna yeoman wrote:Chris, It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I
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                                      Eduard,
                                      Mark is gone? By his choice or one made by Chris?
                                      Lorna

                                      yeoman <yeoman@...> wrote:Chris,

                                      It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                                      has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                                      group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                                      And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                                      Obviously you are infinitely inferior.

                                      And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                                      Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                                      challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                                      so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                                      other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                                      both ways.

                                      Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                                      public.

                                      Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                                      don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                                      complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                                      course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                                      learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                                      learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                                      the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.

                                      eduard


                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                                      To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                      Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                      > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                                      immediately, two
                                      > years ago.
                                      >
                                      > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                                      academic reasons.
                                      > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                                      quite helpful during
                                      > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                                      and I miss his
                                      > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                                      believe, and Yulian
                                      > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                      >
                                      > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                                      unavailable to manage the
                                      > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                                      dynamics.
                                      >
                                      > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                                      dictator in
                                      > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                                      country. This forum is
                                      > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                                      mailing lists.
                                      >
                                      > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                                      Stalin. Get real...
                                      > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                                      merely sought to
                                      > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                                      >
                                      > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                                      my opinion. I'm
                                      > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                                      >
                                      > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                                      accident years ago and
                                      > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                                      fault; I chose to race
                                      > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                                      decisions leading
                                      > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                                      suppose?
                                      >
                                      > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                                      darn well in
                                      > life...
                                      > - C. S. Wyatt
                                      > http://www.tameri.com
                                      > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                      [mailto:tindall@...]
                                      > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                      > To: Exist List Moderator
                                      > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Thank you for your reply.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                                      / Existentialist
                                      > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                                      times about Eduard
                                      > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                                      is irresponsible
                                      > management and incompetence.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                                      on other topics.
                                      > I think you will find they are more
                                      > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                                      secondary Moderator. I
                                      > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                                      the race and
                                      > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                                      position. I notice you
                                      > did not appoint Eduard!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                                      > and his silly
                                      > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                                      kick.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                                      with his repeated
                                      > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                                      repeatedly
                                      > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                                      his nooist /
                                      > Existentialist list!!!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                                      > > sign of mismanagement.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                                      mismanagement. Your
                                      > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                                      no-one was there to
                                      > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                                      and still you
                                      > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                                      300 members but only
                                      > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                                      You did not make
                                      > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                                      use of other
                                      > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                                      > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                                      list! ABSOLUTELY
                                      > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                                      positivist science. I
                                      > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                                      act appropriately!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > Incapable of running a list?
                                      >
                                      > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                      Existentialist list as was
                                      > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                                      your lack of
                                      > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                                      No contigency
                                      > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                                      flood of complaints
                                      > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                                      gave me a booting
                                      > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                                      who was willing
                                      > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                                      aims ... ME! Read
                                      > the posts!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                                      >
                                      > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                                      ingorant. I quote:
                                      >
                                      > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                                      which ...
                                      > really ----ed me off big time."
                                      >
                                      > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                                      bother to read my
                                      > posts and complaints????
                                      >
                                      > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                                      'pissed'??) You
                                      > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                                      > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                      >
                                      > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                                      list without
                                      > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                                      lacking insight and
                                      > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                                      of anger and
                                      > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                                      incompetence.
                                      >
                                      > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                                      better ... if it
                                      > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                      >
                                      > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                      >
                                      > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                                      ignorance on his part."
                                      >
                                      > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                      >
                                      > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                                      repeatedly pointed
                                      > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                                      or in the past.
                                      > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                                      much larger than
                                      > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                                      Existentialist list and
                                      > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                                      ... unlike your
                                      > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                      >
                                      > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                                      are!!! (Read your
                                      > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                                      Existentialist list
                                      > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                      >
                                      > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                      >
                                      > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                      >
                                      > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                      >
                                      > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                      >
                                      > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                      >
                                      > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                      >
                                      > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                                      be. I piss on
                                      > every one of them!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > I hope you decide to remain
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                                      rude and shows
                                      > your incompetence.
                                      >
                                      > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                                      list you can shove
                                      > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                                      head is!!!!! You
                                      > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                      >
                                      > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Mark
                                      >
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                                      Gee...that sounds friendly... Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:If you re not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so
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                                        Gee...that sounds friendly...
                                        Lorna

                                        Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your for being so disruptive.

                                        Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems to have A VERY POOR
                                        GRASP ON REALITY

                                        Sue McPherson

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                        To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                        > Chris,
                                        >
                                        > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem. I mean, he
                                        > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he moderates a
                                        > group with 600 members. Did you read that?? 600 members!!
                                        > And here you are with only something like 300 or so.
                                        > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                        >
                                        > And of course there is this n**ist thing about your list.
                                        > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376 messages
                                        > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard refused to do
                                        > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead" and every
                                        > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark cant have it
                                        > both ways.
                                        >
                                        > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum exposes you to the
                                        > public.
                                        >
                                        > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read the posts [I
                                        > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he has only
                                        > complained and did not provide much in the way of input. Of
                                        > course he did not learn anything. He was not interested in
                                        > learning, as he was the professor and it was our task to
                                        > learn from him. A person who has enough credentials to wrap
                                        > the line, is only there to show his/her superiority.
                                        >
                                        > eduard
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: "Exist List Moderator" <existlist1@...>
                                        > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                        > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > > I apologize for not have replaced the last co-moderators
                                        > immediately, two
                                        > > years ago.
                                        > >
                                        > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved on for
                                        > academic reasons.
                                        > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and Diana A were
                                        > quite helpful during
                                        > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great contributor
                                        > and I miss his
                                        > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D work, I
                                        > believe, and Yulian
                                        > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                        > >
                                        > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for being
                                        > unavailable to manage the
                                        > > list. The list is an experiment and example of community
                                        > dynamics.
                                        > >
                                        > > The group must live or die on its own. There cannot be one
                                        > dictator in
                                        > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation or a
                                        > country. This forum is
                                        > > one of the few "democratic" media left -- newsgroups and
                                        > mailing lists.
                                        > >
                                        > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not like
                                        > Stalin. Get real...
                                        > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or killed him. I
                                        > merely sought to
                                        > > send a message that personal attacks are not acceptable.
                                        > >
                                        > > The tone of this is still quite personal and offensive, in
                                        > my opinion. I'm
                                        > > just not up to being insulted over and over again.
                                        > >
                                        > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I had an
                                        > accident years ago and
                                        > > have never been the same. The cycling accident was my
                                        > fault; I chose to race
                                        > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk. I made the
                                        > decisions leading
                                        > > to my accident. I should have selected more moderators, I
                                        > suppose?
                                        > >
                                        > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I do pretty
                                        > darn well in
                                        > > life...
                                        > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                        > > http://www.tameri.com
                                        > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                        > >
                                        > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                        > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                        > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                        > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                        > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Thank you for your reply.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard and others.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage your nooist
                                        > / Existentialist
                                        > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with evidence many
                                        > times about Eduard
                                        > > and you did nothing. That is not good management! That
                                        > is irresponsible
                                        > > management and incompetence.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been pleased to chat >
                                        > on other topics.
                                        > > I think you will find they are more
                                        > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest to be
                                        > secondary Moderator. I
                                        > > did not put my name forward until they both pulled out of
                                        > the race and
                                        > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for the
                                        > position. I notice you
                                        > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard personally
                                        > > and his silly
                                        > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, > then temporary
                                        > kick.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that I put up
                                        > with his repeated
                                        > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That is why I
                                        > repeatedly
                                        > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does nothing on
                                        > his nooist /
                                        > > Existentialist list!!!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose that is a
                                        > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of gross
                                        > mismanagement. Your
                                        > > nooist / Existentialist / list required moderation and
                                        > no-one was there to
                                        > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed out to you
                                        > and still you
                                        > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated lis
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there are over
                                        > 300 members but only
                                        > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not on topic!
                                        > You did not make
                                        > > any contigency plans for your absence. I suggested the
                                        > use of other
                                        > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not yours!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn. The last few
                                        > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist / Existentialist
                                        > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                        > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism and
                                        > positivist science. I
                                        > > repeated complained about the situation and you failed to
                                        > act appropriately!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                        > >
                                        > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                        > Existentialist list as was
                                        > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems caused by
                                        > your lack of
                                        > > management skills and your lack of timely intervention.
                                        > No contigency
                                        > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ... after a
                                        > flood of complaints
                                        > > from me ... as a result of your continued inaction... you
                                        > gave me a booting
                                        > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the ONLY person
                                        > who was willing
                                        > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list back to its
                                        > aims ... ME! Read
                                        > > the posts!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > Insulting my management skills was quite ignorant
                                        > >
                                        > > Personally insulting me on the list was both rude and
                                        > ingorant. I quote:
                                        > >
                                        > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my mailbox --
                                        > which ...
                                        > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                        > >
                                        > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did you even
                                        > bother to read my
                                        > > posts and complaints????
                                        > >
                                        > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the Anglo-Saxon word
                                        > 'pissed'??) You
                                        > > pissed me off by your mismanagement, incompetence and
                                        > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                        > >
                                        > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist / Existentialist
                                        > list without
                                        > > proper discussion and adequate warning was both inept,
                                        > lacking insight and
                                        > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment, in the heat
                                        > of anger and
                                        > > without proper deliberation. That is mismanagement and
                                        > incompetence.
                                        > >
                                        > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > May you learn to manage your nooist / Existentialist list
                                        > better ... if it
                                        > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                        > >
                                        > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                        > >
                                        > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays great
                                        > ignorance on his part."
                                        > >
                                        > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining my new list.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                        > >
                                        > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works ... as I
                                        > repeatedly pointed
                                        > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've done elsewhere
                                        > or in the past.
                                        > > I can also point to a long list of great achievments ...
                                        > much larger than
                                        > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your nooist /
                                        > Existentialist list and
                                        > > your actions in booting me from the list. Stay on topic
                                        > ... unlike your
                                        > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                        > >
                                        > > You've spent have your reply telling me how great you
                                        > are!!! (Read your
                                        > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your nooist /
                                        > Existentialist list
                                        > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                        > >
                                        > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                        > >
                                        > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                        > >
                                        > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                        > >
                                        > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                        > >
                                        > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                        > >
                                        > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                        > >
                                        > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are supposed to
                                        > be. I piss on
                                        > > every one of them!
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you booted me. It's
                                        > rude and shows
                                        > > your incompetence.
                                        > >
                                        > > Without your personal apology to me on the Existentialist
                                        > list you can shove
                                        > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your arse where your
                                        > head is!!!!! You
                                        > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                        > >
                                        > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Mark
                                        > >
                                        > >
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                                      • Lorna Landry
                                        Take you own advice. Lorna Sue McPherson wrote:Try a little harder to get along! There s no need for such impertinence. Sue
                                        Message 19 of 23 , Apr 2, 2003
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                                          Take you own advice.

                                          Lorna




                                          Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder to get along!
                                          There's no need for such impertinence.

                                          Sue McPherson

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                          To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                          > what's one??
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                          > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                          > >
                                          > > Sue McPherson
                                          > >
                                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                          > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                          > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > > Sue,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                          > > >
                                          > > > eduard
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                          > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                          > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                          > to
                                          > > > this now, to the
                                          > > > > list.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Sue McPherson
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                          > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                          > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                          > MODERATOR
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > Sue,
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                          > trying
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > eduard
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                          > <sue@...>
                                          > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                          > MODERATOR
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                          > for
                                          > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                          > to
                                          > > > have
                                          > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                          > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                          > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                          > > > MODERATOR
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Chris,
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                          > I
                                          > > > mean,
                                          > > > > > he
                                          > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                          > > > > > moderates a
                                          > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                          > 600
                                          > > > > > members!!
                                          > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                          > so.
                                          > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                          > your
                                          > > > > > list.
                                          > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                          > messages
                                          > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                          > > > refused
                                          > > > > > to do
                                          > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                          > and
                                          > > > > > every
                                          > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                          > cant
                                          > > > > > have it
                                          > > > > > > > both ways.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                          > exposes
                                          > > > you to
                                          > > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > > public.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                          > the
                                          > > > posts
                                          > > > > > [I
                                          > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                          > has
                                          > > > > > only
                                          > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                          > of
                                          > > > input.
                                          > > > > > Of
                                          > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                          > > > interested
                                          > > > > > in
                                          > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                          > > > task to
                                          > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                          > credentials
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > > wrap
                                          > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                          > superiority.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > eduard
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                          > <existlist1@...>
                                          > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                          > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                          > > > MODERATOR
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                          > > > > > co-moderators
                                          > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                          > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                          > on
                                          > > > for
                                          > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                          > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                          > Diana A
                                          > > > > > were
                                          > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                          > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                          > > > > > contributor
                                          > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                          > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                          > > > work, I
                                          > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                          > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                          > being
                                          > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                          > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                          > > > > > community
                                          > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                          > > > cannot be
                                          > > > > > one
                                          > > > > > > > dictator in
                                          > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                          > or
                                          > > > a
                                          > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                          > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                          > > > newsgroups
                                          > > > > > and
                                          > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                          > > > like
                                          > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                          > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                          > killed
                                          > > > him.
                                          > > > > > I
                                          > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                          > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                          > > > > > acceptable.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                          > > > > > offensive, in
                                          > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                          > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                          > again.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                          > had
                                          > > > an
                                          > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                          > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                          > was
                                          > > > my
                                          > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                          > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                          > . I
                                          > > > made
                                          > > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                          > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                          > > > > > moderators, I
                                          > > > > > > > suppose?
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                          > do
                                          > > > > > pretty
                                          > > > > > > > darn well in
                                          > > > > > > > > life...
                                          > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                          > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                          > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                          > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                          > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                          > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                          > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                          > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                          > > > > > MODERATOR
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                          > and
                                          > > > > > others.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                          > your
                                          > > > > > nooist
                                          > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                          > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                          > > > evidence
                                          > > > > > many
                                          > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                          > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                          > management!
                                          > > > > > That
                                          > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                          > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                          > pleased
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > > chat >
                                          > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                          > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                          > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                          > to
                                          > > > be
                                          > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                          > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                          > pulled
                                          > > > out
                                          > > > > > of
                                          > > > > > > > the race and
                                          > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                          > the
                                          > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                          > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                          > > > > > personally
                                          > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                          > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                          > then
                                          > > > > > temporary
                                          > > > > > > > kick.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                          > I
                                          > > > put
                                          > > > > > up
                                          > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                          > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                          > is
                                          > > > why
                                          > > > > > I
                                          > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                          > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                          > > > nothing
                                          > > > > > on
                                          > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                          > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                          > that
                                          > > > is
                                          > > > > > a
                                          > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                          > gross
                                          > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                          > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                          > moderation
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                          > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                          > out
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > > you
                                          > > > > > > > and still you
                                          > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                          > lis
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                          > are
                                          > > > > > over
                                          > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                          > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                          > on
                                          > > > > > topic!
                                          > > > > > > > You did not make
                                          > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                          > > > suggested
                                          > > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > > use of other
                                          > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                          > yours!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                          > The
                                          > > > last
                                          > > > > > few
                                          > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                          > > > Existentialist
                                          > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                          > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                          > and
                                          > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                          > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                          > you
                                          > > > failed
                                          > > > > > to
                                          > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                          > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                          > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                          > > > caused
                                          > > > > > by
                                          > > > > > > > your lack of
                                          > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                          > > > > > intervention.
                                          > > > > > > > No contigency
                                          > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                          > > > after a
                                          > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                          > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                          > > > inaction...
                                          > > > > > you
                                          > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                          > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                          > > > ONLY
                                          > > > > > person
                                          > > > > > > > who was willing
                                          > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                          > back to
                                          > > > its
                                          > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                          > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                          > > > ignorant
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                          > rude
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                          > > > > > mailbox --
                                          > > > > > > > which ...
                                          > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                          > you
                                          > > > even
                                          > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                          > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                          > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                          > > > > > word
                                          > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                          > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                          > incompetence
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                          > > > > > Existentialist
                                          > > > > > > > list without
                                          > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                          > both
                                          > > > inept,
                                          > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                          > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                          > in
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > > heat
                                          > > > > > > > of anger and
                                          > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                          > > > mismanagement
                                          > > > > > and
                                          > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                          > > > Existentialist
                                          > > > > > list
                                          > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                          > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                          > > > great
                                          > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                          > my
                                          > > > new
                                          > > > > > list.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                          > ...
                                          > > > as
                                          > > > > > I
                                          > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                          > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                          > done
                                          > > > > > elsewhere
                                          > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                          > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                          > > > achievments
                                          > > > > > ...
                                          > > > > > > > much larger than
                                          > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                          > nooist /
                                          > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                          > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                          > Stay on
                                          > > > > > topic
                                          > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                          > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                          > great
                                          > > > you
                                          > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                          > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                          > nooist /
                                          > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                          > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                          > > > supposed
                                          > > > > > to
                                          > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                          > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                          > booted
                                          > > > me.
                                          > > > > > It's
                                          > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                          > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                          > > > > > Existentialist
                                          > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                          > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                          > arse
                                          > > > where
                                          > > > > > your
                                          > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                          > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                          > > > > > > > >
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                                        • Sue McPherson
                                          Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
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                                            Mind your own business

                                            Sue McPherson

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                                            To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                            >
                                            > Take you own advice.
                                            >
                                            > Lorna
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                                            to get along!
                                            > There's no need for such impertinence.
                                            >
                                            > Sue McPherson
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                            > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                            > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > > what's one??
                                            > >
                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                            > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                            > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Sue McPherson
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                            > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                            > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > Sue,
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > eduard
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                            > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                            > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                            > > to
                                            > > > > this now, to the
                                            > > > > > list.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                            > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                            > > MODERATOR
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Sue,
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                            > > trying
                                            > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > eduard
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                            > > <sue@...>
                                            > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                            > > MODERATOR
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                            > > for
                                            > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                            > > to
                                            > > > > have
                                            > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                            > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                            > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                            > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                            > > > > MODERATOR
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Chris,
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                            > > I
                                            > > > > mean,
                                            > > > > > > he
                                            > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                            > > > > > > moderates a
                                            > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                            > > 600
                                            > > > > > > members!!
                                            > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                            > > so.
                                            > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                            > > your
                                            > > > > > > list.
                                            > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                            > > messages
                                            > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                            > > > > refused
                                            > > > > > > to do
                                            > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                            > > and
                                            > > > > > > every
                                            > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                            > > cant
                                            > > > > > > have it
                                            > > > > > > > > both ways.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                            > > exposes
                                            > > > > you to
                                            > > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > > public.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                            > > the
                                            > > > > posts
                                            > > > > > > [I
                                            > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                            > > has
                                            > > > > > > only
                                            > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                            > > of
                                            > > > > input.
                                            > > > > > > Of
                                            > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                            > > > > interested
                                            > > > > > > in
                                            > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                            > > > > task to
                                            > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                            > > credentials
                                            > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > wrap
                                            > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                            > > superiority.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > eduard
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                            > > <existlist1@...>
                                            > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                            > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                            > > > > MODERATOR
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                            > > > > > > co-moderators
                                            > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                            > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                            > > on
                                            > > > > for
                                            > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                            > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                            > > Diana A
                                            > > > > > > were
                                            > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                            > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                            > > > > > > contributor
                                            > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                            > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                            > > > > work, I
                                            > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                            > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                            > > being
                                            > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                            > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                            > > > > > > community
                                            > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                            > > > > cannot be
                                            > > > > > > one
                                            > > > > > > > > dictator in
                                            > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                            > > or
                                            > > > > a
                                            > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                            > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                            > > > > newsgroups
                                            > > > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                            > > > > like
                                            > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                            > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                            > > killed
                                            > > > > him.
                                            > > > > > > I
                                            > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                            > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                            > > > > > > acceptable.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                            > > > > > > offensive, in
                                            > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                            > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                            > > again.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                            > > had
                                            > > > > an
                                            > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                            > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                            > > was
                                            > > > > my
                                            > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                            > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                            > > . I
                                            > > > > made
                                            > > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                            > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                            > > > > > > moderators, I
                                            > > > > > > > > suppose?
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                            > > do
                                            > > > > > > pretty
                                            > > > > > > > > darn well in
                                            > > > > > > > > > life...
                                            > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                            > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                            > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                            > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                            > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                            > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                            > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                            > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                            > > > > > > MODERATOR
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                            > > and
                                            > > > > > > others.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                            > > your
                                            > > > > > > nooist
                                            > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                            > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                            > > > > evidence
                                            > > > > > > many
                                            > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                            > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                            > > management!
                                            > > > > > > That
                                            > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                            > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                            > > pleased
                                            > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > chat >
                                            > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                            > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                            > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                            > > to
                                            > > > > be
                                            > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                            > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                            > > pulled
                                            > > > > out
                                            > > > > > > of
                                            > > > > > > > > the race and
                                            > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                            > > the
                                            > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                            > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                            > > > > > > personally
                                            > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                            > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                            > > then
                                            > > > > > > temporary
                                            > > > > > > > > kick.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                            > > I
                                            > > > > put
                                            > > > > > > up
                                            > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                            > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                            > > is
                                            > > > > why
                                            > > > > > > I
                                            > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                            > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                            > > > > nothing
                                            > > > > > > on
                                            > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                            > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                            > > that
                                            > > > > is
                                            > > > > > > a
                                            > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                            > > gross
                                            > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                            > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                            > > moderation
                                            > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                            > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                            > > out
                                            > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > you
                                            > > > > > > > > and still you
                                            > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                            > > lis
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                            > > are
                                            > > > > > > over
                                            > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                            > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                            > > on
                                            > > > > > > topic!
                                            > > > > > > > > You did not make
                                            > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                            > > > > suggested
                                            > > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > > use of other
                                            > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                            > > yours!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                            > > The
                                            > > > > last
                                            > > > > > > few
                                            > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                            > > > > Existentialist
                                            > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                            > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                            > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                            > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                            > > you
                                            > > > > failed
                                            > > > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                            > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                            > > > > caused
                                            > > > > > > by
                                            > > > > > > > > your lack of
                                            > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                            > > > > > > intervention.
                                            > > > > > > > > No contigency
                                            > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                            > > > > after a
                                            > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                            > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                            > > > > inaction...
                                            > > > > > > you
                                            > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                            > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                            > > > > ONLY
                                            > > > > > > person
                                            > > > > > > > > who was willing
                                            > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                            > > back to
                                            > > > > its
                                            > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                            > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                            > > > > ignorant
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                            > > rude
                                            > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                            > > > > > > mailbox --
                                            > > > > > > > > which ...
                                            > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                            > > you
                                            > > > > even
                                            > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                            > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                            > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                            > > > > > > word
                                            > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                            > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                            > > incompetence
                                            > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                            > > > > > > Existentialist
                                            > > > > > > > > list without
                                            > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                            > > both
                                            > > > > inept,
                                            > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                            > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                            > > in
                                            > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > heat
                                            > > > > > > > > of anger and
                                            > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                            > > > > mismanagement
                                            > > > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                            > > > > Existentialist
                                            > > > > > > list
                                            > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                            > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                            > > > > great
                                            > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                            > > my
                                            > > > > new
                                            > > > > > > list.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                            > > ...
                                            > > > > as
                                            > > > > > > I
                                            > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                            > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                            > > done
                                            > > > > > > elsewhere
                                            > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                            > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                            > > > > achievments
                                            > > > > > > ...
                                            > > > > > > > > much larger than
                                            > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                            > > nooist /
                                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                            > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                            > > Stay on
                                            > > > > > > topic
                                            > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                            > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                            > > great
                                            > > > > you
                                            > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                            > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                            > > nooist /
                                            > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                            > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                            > > > > supposed
                                            > > > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                            > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                            > > booted
                                            > > > > me.
                                            > > > > > > It's
                                            > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                            > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                            > > > > > > Existentialist
                                            > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                            > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                            > > arse
                                            > > > > where
                                            > > > > > > your
                                            > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                            > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Mark
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                                          • manicpg
                                            id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the business of being laughed at for being realists. let north meet south
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                                              id like to mind yours, thats why im here, because we share the
                                              business of being laughed at for being realists.

                                              let north meet south



                                              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Sue McPherson" <sue@m...> wrote:
                                              > Mind your own business
                                              >
                                              > Sue McPherson
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > >
                                              > > Take you own advice.
                                              > >
                                              > > Lorna
                                            • Lorna Landry
                                              Gladly. Sue McPherson wrote:Mind your own business Sue McPherson ... From: Lorna Landry To:
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                                                Gladly.




                                                Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                                                Sue McPherson

                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                                                To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                                >
                                                > Take you own advice.
                                                >
                                                > Lorna
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                                                to get along!
                                                > There's no need for such impertinence.
                                                >
                                                > Sue McPherson
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                                > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > > what's one??
                                                > >
                                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                                > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                                > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Sue McPherson
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                                > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > > Sue,
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > eduard
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                                > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                                > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > this now, to the
                                                > > > > > list.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                > > MODERATOR
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Sue,
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                                > > trying
                                                > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > eduard
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                                > > <sue@...>
                                                > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                > > MODERATOR
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                                > > for
                                                > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > have
                                                > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                                > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                                > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                > > > > MODERATOR
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > Chris,
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                                > > I
                                                > > > > mean,
                                                > > > > > > he
                                                > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                                > > > > > > moderates a
                                                > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                                > > 600
                                                > > > > > > members!!
                                                > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                                > > so.
                                                > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                                > > your
                                                > > > > > > list.
                                                > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                                > > messages
                                                > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                                > > > > refused
                                                > > > > > > to do
                                                > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                                > > and
                                                > > > > > > every
                                                > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                                > > cant
                                                > > > > > > have it
                                                > > > > > > > > both ways.
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                                > > exposes
                                                > > > > you to
                                                > > > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > > > public.
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                                > > the
                                                > > > > posts
                                                > > > > > > [I
                                                > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                                > > has
                                                > > > > > > only
                                                > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                                > > of
                                                > > > > input.
                                                > > > > > > Of
                                                > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                                > > > > interested
                                                > > > > > > in
                                                > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                                > > > > task to
                                                > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                                > > credentials
                                                > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > wrap
                                                > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                                > > superiority.
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > eduard
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                                > > <existlist1@...>
                                                > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                                > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                > > > > MODERATOR
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                                > > > > > > co-moderators
                                                > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                                > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                                > > on
                                                > > > > for
                                                > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                                > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                                > > Diana A
                                                > > > > > > were
                                                > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                                > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                                > > > > > > contributor
                                                > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                                > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                                > > > > work, I
                                                > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                                > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                                > > being
                                                > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                                > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                                > > > > > > community
                                                > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                                > > > > cannot be
                                                > > > > > > one
                                                > > > > > > > > dictator in
                                                > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                                > > or
                                                > > > > a
                                                > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                                > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                                > > > > newsgroups
                                                > > > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                                > > > > like
                                                > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                                > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                                > > killed
                                                > > > > him.
                                                > > > > > > I
                                                > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                                > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                                > > > > > > acceptable.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                                > > > > > > offensive, in
                                                > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                                > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                                > > again.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                                > > had
                                                > > > > an
                                                > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                                > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                                > > was
                                                > > > > my
                                                > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                                > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                                > > . I
                                                > > > > made
                                                > > > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                                > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                                > > > > > > moderators, I
                                                > > > > > > > > suppose?
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                                > > do
                                                > > > > > > pretty
                                                > > > > > > > > darn well in
                                                > > > > > > > > > life...
                                                > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                                > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                                > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                                > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                                > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                                > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                                > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                > > > > > > MODERATOR
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                                > > and
                                                > > > > > > others.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                                > > your
                                                > > > > > > nooist
                                                > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                                > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                                > > > > evidence
                                                > > > > > > many
                                                > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                                > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                                > > management!
                                                > > > > > > That
                                                > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                                > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                                > > pleased
                                                > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > chat >
                                                > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                                > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                                > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > be
                                                > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                                > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                                > > pulled
                                                > > > > out
                                                > > > > > > of
                                                > > > > > > > > the race and
                                                > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                                > > the
                                                > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                                > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                                > > > > > > personally
                                                > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                                > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                                > > then
                                                > > > > > > temporary
                                                > > > > > > > > kick.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                                > > I
                                                > > > > put
                                                > > > > > > up
                                                > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                                > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                                > > is
                                                > > > > why
                                                > > > > > > I
                                                > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                                > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                                > > > > nothing
                                                > > > > > > on
                                                > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                                > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                                > > that
                                                > > > > is
                                                > > > > > > a
                                                > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                                > > gross
                                                > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                                > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                                > > moderation
                                                > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                                > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                                > > out
                                                > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > you
                                                > > > > > > > > and still you
                                                > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                                > > lis
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                                > > are
                                                > > > > > > over
                                                > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                                > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                                > > on
                                                > > > > > > topic!
                                                > > > > > > > > You did not make
                                                > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                                > > > > suggested
                                                > > > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > > > use of other
                                                > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                                > > yours!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                                > > The
                                                > > > > last
                                                > > > > > > few
                                                > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                                > > > > Existentialist
                                                > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                                > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                                > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                                > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                                > > you
                                                > > > > failed
                                                > > > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                                > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                                > > > > caused
                                                > > > > > > by
                                                > > > > > > > > your lack of
                                                > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                                > > > > > > intervention.
                                                > > > > > > > > No contigency
                                                > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                                > > > > after a
                                                > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                                > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                                > > > > inaction...
                                                > > > > > > you
                                                > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                                > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                                > > > > ONLY
                                                > > > > > > person
                                                > > > > > > > > who was willing
                                                > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                                > > back to
                                                > > > > its
                                                > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                                > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                                > > > > ignorant
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                                > > rude
                                                > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                                > > > > > > mailbox --
                                                > > > > > > > > which ...
                                                > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                                > > you
                                                > > > > even
                                                > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                                > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                                > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                                > > > > > > word
                                                > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                                > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                                > > incompetence
                                                > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                                > > > > > > Existentialist
                                                > > > > > > > > list without
                                                > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                                > > both
                                                > > > > inept,
                                                > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                                > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                                > > in
                                                > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > heat
                                                > > > > > > > > of anger and
                                                > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                                > > > > mismanagement
                                                > > > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                                > > > > Existentialist
                                                > > > > > > list
                                                > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                                > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                                > > > > great
                                                > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                                > > my
                                                > > > > new
                                                > > > > > > list.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                                > > ...
                                                > > > > as
                                                > > > > > > I
                                                > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                                > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                                > > done
                                                > > > > > > elsewhere
                                                > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                                > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                                > > > > achievments
                                                > > > > > > ...
                                                > > > > > > > > much larger than
                                                > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                                > > nooist /
                                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                                > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                                > > Stay on
                                                > > > > > > topic
                                                > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                                > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                                > > great
                                                > > > > you
                                                > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                                > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                                > > nooist /
                                                > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                                > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                                > > > > supposed
                                                > > > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                                > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                                > > booted
                                                > > > > me.
                                                > > > > > > It's
                                                > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                                > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                                > > > > > > Existentialist
                                                > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                                > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                                > > arse
                                                > > > > where
                                                > > > > > > your
                                                > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                                > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > Mark
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                                > > > > removed]
                                                > > > > > > > > >
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                                              • Lorna Landry
                                                AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I M WRONG. LORNA Sue
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                                                  AND ANOTHER THING, SUE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING POSTED TO THE LIST WAS THE BUSINESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

                                                  LORNA




                                                  Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Mind your own business

                                                  Sue McPherson

                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: "Lorna Landry" <lornalandry@...>
                                                  To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:54 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR


                                                  >
                                                  > Take you own advice.
                                                  >
                                                  > Lorna
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Sue McPherson <sue@...> wrote:Try a little harder
                                                  to get along!
                                                  > There's no need for such impertinence.
                                                  >
                                                  > Sue McPherson
                                                  >
                                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                  > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 PM
                                                  > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > > what's one??
                                                  > >
                                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                                  > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:41 PM
                                                  > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > > Wrong answer, eduard. That's one.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Sue McPherson
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                  > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:17 PM
                                                  > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > > Sue,
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Thankyou for your perceptive note...
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > eduard
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > > > From: "Sue McPherson" <sue@...>
                                                  > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:49 AM
                                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY MODERATOR
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > > If you really were sorry, you wouldn't be responding
                                                  > > to
                                                  > > > > this now, to the
                                                  > > > > > list.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                  > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:39 PM
                                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                  > > MODERATOR
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Sue,
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > I am sorry now for replying to Chris. I wasn't
                                                  > > trying
                                                  > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > make a big deal of it.
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > eduard
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > > > > > From: "Sue McPherson"
                                                  > > <sue@...>
                                                  > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:49 AM
                                                  > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                  > > MODERATOR
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > If you're not careful, sharis will get rid of your
                                                  > > for
                                                  > > > > > > being so disruptive.
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Or maybe she'll just blame me instead - she seems
                                                  > > to
                                                  > > > > have
                                                  > > > > > > A VERY POOR
                                                  > > > > > > > GRASP ON REALITY
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Sue McPherson
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > > > > > > From: "yeoman" <yeoman@...>
                                                  > > > > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:42 PM
                                                  > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                  > > > > MODERATOR
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Chris,
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > It is easy to see that Mark has an ego problem.
                                                  > > I
                                                  > > > > mean,
                                                  > > > > > > he
                                                  > > > > > > > > has a library larger than anyone else's, and he
                                                  > > > > > > moderates a
                                                  > > > > > > > > group with 600 members. Did you read that??
                                                  > > 600
                                                  > > > > > > members!!
                                                  > > > > > > > > And here you are with only something like 300 or
                                                  > > so.
                                                  > > > > > > > > Obviously you are infinitely inferior.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > And of course there is this n**ist thing about
                                                  > > your
                                                  > > > > > > list.
                                                  > > > > > > > > Why do you allow it?? Mark sent some 4376
                                                  > > messages
                                                  > > > > > > > > challenging eduard to debate n**ism and eduard
                                                  > > > > refused
                                                  > > > > > > to do
                                                  > > > > > > > > so. Even after Mark called eduard a "shithead"
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > > > > every
                                                  > > > > > > > > other word in the book, including "SWYV". Mark
                                                  > > cant
                                                  > > > > > > have it
                                                  > > > > > > > > both ways.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Lets face it Chris, having a public forum
                                                  > > exposes
                                                  > > > > you to
                                                  > > > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > > public.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Personally, I am glad he is gone. If you read
                                                  > > the
                                                  > > > > posts
                                                  > > > > > > [I
                                                  > > > > > > > > don't expect you to do so] you will find that he
                                                  > > has
                                                  > > > > > > only
                                                  > > > > > > > > complained and did not provide much in the way
                                                  > > of
                                                  > > > > input.
                                                  > > > > > > Of
                                                  > > > > > > > > course he did not learn anything. He was not
                                                  > > > > interested
                                                  > > > > > > in
                                                  > > > > > > > > learning, as he was the professor and it was our
                                                  > > > > task to
                                                  > > > > > > > > learn from him. A person who has enough
                                                  > > credentials
                                                  > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > wrap
                                                  > > > > > > > > the line, is only there to show his/her
                                                  > > superiority.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > eduard
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > > > > > > > From: "Exist List Moderator"
                                                  > > <existlist1@...>
                                                  > > > > > > > > To: "Existlist" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:07 AM
                                                  > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                  > > > > MODERATOR
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I apologize for not have replaced the last
                                                  > > > > > > co-moderators
                                                  > > > > > > > > immediately, two
                                                  > > > > > > > > > years ago.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > There were two co-moderators, but both moved
                                                  > > on
                                                  > > > > for
                                                  > > > > > > > > academic reasons.
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Long-time members will recall Yulian K and
                                                  > > Diana A
                                                  > > > > > > were
                                                  > > > > > > > > quite helpful during
                                                  > > > > > > > > > my absence two years ago. Yulian was a great
                                                  > > > > > > contributor
                                                  > > > > > > > > and I miss his
                                                  > > > > > > > > > active membership. Diana went on with her Ph.D
                                                  > > > > work, I
                                                  > > > > > > > > believe, and Yulian
                                                  > > > > > > > > > was seeking an appointment to a university.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I do not believe I owe anyone an apology for
                                                  > > being
                                                  > > > > > > > > unavailable to manage the
                                                  > > > > > > > > > list. The list is an experiment and example of
                                                  > > > > > > community
                                                  > > > > > > > > dynamics.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > The group must live or die on its own. There
                                                  > > > > cannot be
                                                  > > > > > > one
                                                  > > > > > > > > dictator in
                                                  > > > > > > > > > charge of a group -- this is not a corporation
                                                  > > or
                                                  > > > > a
                                                  > > > > > > > > country. This forum is
                                                  > > > > > > > > > one of the few "democratic" media left --
                                                  > > > > newsgroups
                                                  > > > > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > mailing lists.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > And booting someone for an hour or less is not
                                                  > > > > like
                                                  > > > > > > > > Stalin. Get real...
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Stalin would have banned the person -- or
                                                  > > killed
                                                  > > > > him.
                                                  > > > > > > I
                                                  > > > > > > > > merely sought to
                                                  > > > > > > > > > send a message that personal attacks are not
                                                  > > > > > > acceptable.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > The tone of this is still quite personal and
                                                  > > > > > > offensive, in
                                                  > > > > > > > > my opinion. I'm
                                                  > > > > > > > > > just not up to being insulted over and over
                                                  > > again.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > My only apology is to the group... I'm sorry I
                                                  > > had
                                                  > > > > an
                                                  > > > > > > > > accident years ago and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > have never been the same. The cycling accident
                                                  > > was
                                                  > > > > my
                                                  > > > > > > > > fault; I chose to race
                                                  > > > > > > > > > 50-100 miles at a time, putting myself at risk
                                                  > > . I
                                                  > > > > made
                                                  > > > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > > decisions leading
                                                  > > > > > > > > > to my accident. I should have selected more
                                                  > > > > > > moderators, I
                                                  > > > > > > > > suppose?
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Then again, as Mark points out, I also think I
                                                  > > do
                                                  > > > > > > pretty
                                                  > > > > > > > > darn well in
                                                  > > > > > > > > > life...
                                                  > > > > > > > > > - C. S. Wyatt
                                                  > > > > > > > > > http://www.tameri.com
                                                  > > > > > > > > > http://www.magicdragonbooks.com
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                  > > > > > > > > > From: Mark and Bev Tindall
                                                  > > > > > > > > [mailto:tindall@...]
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 03:02
                                                  > > > > > > > > > To: Exist List Moderator
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] VOTING FOR SECONDARY
                                                  > > > > > > MODERATOR
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunity to ignore Eduard
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > > > > others.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > You had every opportunityy to properly manage
                                                  > > your
                                                  > > > > > > nooist
                                                  > > > > > > > > / Existentialist
                                                  > > > > > > > > > list ... but you didn't! I complained with
                                                  > > > > evidence
                                                  > > > > > > many
                                                  > > > > > > > > times about Eduard
                                                  > > > > > > > > > and you did nothing. That is not good
                                                  > > management!
                                                  > > > > > > That
                                                  > > > > > > > > is irresponsible
                                                  > > > > > > > > > management and incompetence.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Shari, and others would have been
                                                  > > pleased
                                                  > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > chat >
                                                  > > > > > > > > on other topics.
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I think you will find they are more
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > responsible than most others on the list.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I supported both Sue and Shari in their quest
                                                  > > to
                                                  > > > > be
                                                  > > > > > > > > secondary Moderator. I
                                                  > > > > > > > > > did not put my name forward until they both
                                                  > > pulled
                                                  > > > > out
                                                  > > > > > > of
                                                  > > > > > > > > the race and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Eduard was left as the sole person running for
                                                  > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > > position. I notice you
                                                  > > > > > > > > > did not appoint Eduard!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > You did have warnings that mentioning Eduard
                                                  > > > > > > personally
                                                  > > > > > > > > > and his silly
                                                  > > > > > > > > > "noo" whatever was grounds for a warning, >
                                                  > > then
                                                  > > > > > > temporary
                                                  > > > > > > > > kick.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > But apparently you thought is was ethical that
                                                  > > I
                                                  > > > > put
                                                  > > > > > > up
                                                  > > > > > > > > with his repeated
                                                  > > > > > > > > > lies and abuse without defending myself. That
                                                  > > is
                                                  > > > > why
                                                  > > > > > > I
                                                  > > > > > > > > repeatedly
                                                  > > > > > > > > > complained to you ... the Moderator who does
                                                  > > > > nothing
                                                  > > > > > > on
                                                  > > > > > > > > his nooist /
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Existentialist list!!!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > As for managing the bookstore -- I suppose
                                                  > > that
                                                  > > > > is
                                                  > > > > > > a
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > sign of mismanagement.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list is sign of
                                                  > > gross
                                                  > > > > > > > > mismanagement. Your
                                                  > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist / list required
                                                  > > moderation
                                                  > > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > no-one was there to
                                                  > > > > > > > > > do it! The problems were exposed and pointed
                                                  > > out
                                                  > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > you
                                                  > > > > > > > > and still you
                                                  > > > > > > > > > failed to act. That is incompetence!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > I managed over 600 members on a moderated
                                                  > > lis
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list states there
                                                  > > are
                                                  > > > > > > over
                                                  > > > > > > > > 300 members but only
                                                  > > > > > > > > > half a dozen post ... and even then it is not
                                                  > > on
                                                  > > > > > > topic!
                                                  > > > > > > > > You did not make
                                                  > > > > > > > > > any contigency plans for your absence. I
                                                  > > > > suggested
                                                  > > > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > > use of other
                                                  > > > > > > > > > assistant Moderators! That was my idea not
                                                  > > yours!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > The list ... -- it helps many of us learn.
                                                  > > The
                                                  > > > > last
                                                  > > > > > > few
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > months, I admit have not been constructive.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I learnt NOTHING from the your nooist /
                                                  > > > > Existentialist
                                                  > > > > > > > > list! ABSOLUTELY
                                                  > > > > > > > > > NOTHING!!! It was plagued by Eduard's nooism
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > positivist science. I
                                                  > > > > > > > > > repeated complained about the situation and
                                                  > > you
                                                  > > > > failed
                                                  > > > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > > > act appropriately!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > Incapable of running a list?
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > You are incapable of managing your nooist /
                                                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list as was
                                                  > > > > > > > > > clearly demonstrated!!! Look at the problems
                                                  > > > > caused
                                                  > > > > > > by
                                                  > > > > > > > > your lack of
                                                  > > > > > > > > > management skills and your lack of timely
                                                  > > > > > > intervention.
                                                  > > > > > > > > No contigency
                                                  > > > > > > > > > planning in case of your absence. Finally ...
                                                  > > > > after a
                                                  > > > > > > > > flood of complaints
                                                  > > > > > > > > > from me ... as a result of your continued
                                                  > > > > inaction...
                                                  > > > > > > you
                                                  > > > > > > > > gave me a booting
                                                  > > > > > > > > > that was reminiscent of Stalin! You booted the
                                                  > > > > ONLY
                                                  > > > > > > person
                                                  > > > > > > > > who was willing
                                                  > > > > > > > > > to bring your nooist / Existentialist list
                                                  > > back to
                                                  > > > > its
                                                  > > > > > > > > aims ... ME! Read
                                                  > > > > > > > > > the posts!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > Insulting my management skills was quite
                                                  > > > > ignorant
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Personally insulting me on the list was both
                                                  > > rude
                                                  > > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > ingorant. I quote:
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > "And I did remove Mark because he flooded my
                                                  > > > > > > mailbox --
                                                  > > > > > > > > which ...
                                                  > > > > > > > > > really ----ed me off big time."
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Some intelligent rational reason, eh???? Did
                                                  > > you
                                                  > > > > even
                                                  > > > > > > > > bother to read my
                                                  > > > > > > > > > posts and complaints????
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I pissed you off??? (Can't you spell the
                                                  > > > > Anglo-Saxon
                                                  > > > > > > word
                                                  > > > > > > > > 'pissed'??) You
                                                  > > > > > > > > > pissed me off by your mismanagement,
                                                  > > incompetence
                                                  > > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > inaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Your decision to boot me off your nooist /
                                                  > > > > > > Existentialist
                                                  > > > > > > > > list without
                                                  > > > > > > > > > proper discussion and adequate warning was
                                                  > > both
                                                  > > > > inept,
                                                  > > > > > > > > lacking insight and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > idiotic. You acted on the spur of the moment,
                                                  > > in
                                                  > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > heat
                                                  > > > > > > > > of anger and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > without proper deliberation. That is
                                                  > > > > mismanagement
                                                  > > > > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > incompetence.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > May you learn to not be so bitter, too.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > May you learn to manage your nooist /
                                                  > > > > Existentialist
                                                  > > > > > > list
                                                  > > > > > > > > better ... if it
                                                  > > > > > > > > > survives Eduard's continued nuisance.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > One of your ex list members wrote to me ..
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > "The moderators' decision to ban you displays
                                                  > > > > great
                                                  > > > > > > > > ignorance on his part."
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I agree! Some of your ex-members are joining
                                                  > > my
                                                  > > > > new
                                                  > > > > > > list.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > My web site barely hints at my works
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Your nooist / Existentialist list barely works
                                                  > > ...
                                                  > > > > as
                                                  > > > > > > I
                                                  > > > > > > > > repeatedly pointed
                                                  > > > > > > > > > out. I don't give a shit about what you've
                                                  > > done
                                                  > > > > > > elsewhere
                                                  > > > > > > > > or in the past.
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I can also point to a long list of great
                                                  > > > > achievments
                                                  > > > > > > ...
                                                  > > > > > > > > much larger than
                                                  > > > > > > > > > yours ... nationally. The topic is your
                                                  > > nooist /
                                                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > your actions in booting me from the list.
                                                  > > Stay on
                                                  > > > > > > topic
                                                  > > > > > > > > ... unlike your
                                                  > > > > > > > > > nooist / Existentialist list!!!!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > You've spent have your reply telling me how
                                                  > > great
                                                  > > > > you
                                                  > > > > > > > > are!!! (Read your
                                                  > > > > > > > > > reply again!) Your incompetence with your
                                                  > > nooist /
                                                  > > > > > > > > Existentialist list
                                                  > > > > > > > > > demonstrates the opposite!!!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Statistics on I'm So Wonderful' by Chris:
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 3 - 5 sentences
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 - 2 sentences
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 5 - 1 sentence
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 6 - 2 sentences
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Paragraph 7 - 3 sentences
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Total = 11 sentences on how wonderful you are
                                                  > > > > supposed
                                                  > > > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > > > be. I piss on
                                                  > > > > > > > > > every one of them!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > I hope you decide to remain
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Never, ever boot anyone in the manner you
                                                  > > booted
                                                  > > > > me.
                                                  > > > > > > It's
                                                  > > > > > > > > rude and shows
                                                  > > > > > > > > > your incompetence.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Without your personal apology to me on the
                                                  > > > > > > Existentialist
                                                  > > > > > > > > list you can shove
                                                  > > > > > > > > > your nooist / Existentialist list up your
                                                  > > arse
                                                  > > > > where
                                                  > > > > > > your
                                                  > > > > > > > > head is!!!!! You
                                                  > > > > > > > > > are the lunatic running the asylum !!!!
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > I hope I make myself perfectly clear, Chris.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Mark
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
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