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RE: [existlist] Phenomina, like a loci of points or locust of famine or plague of rat

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  • Eduard Alf
    Richard, i have no idea what you are talking about ... this is pointless ... eduard ... From: thebookdoc@aol.com [mailto:thebookdoc@aol.com] Sent: Monday,
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 30, 2001
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      i have no idea what you are talking about ... this is pointless ...


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      From: thebookdoc@... [mailto:thebookdoc@...]
      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:27 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] Phenomina, like a loci of points or locust of
      famine or plague of rat

      Ed Alf et gnats and beans,

      Not to point fingers, but it would seem to me that you like
      Phenomenomenominologyyy because it lets you believe
      whatever you want. It is very, very easy to say "well, it is obvious
      from my observation that the world is flat!" and, you see,
      because of a limited perspective and not much ability to
      understand, people DID believe that for quite a while -- it was
      proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that other things were true
      like that the earth was the center of the universe and relativity had
      absolutely every answer.

      A more PARTICULAR scientist -- which I hear tell you
      supposedly have a background in -- might well expect that their
      answers to not just one or two, but many OR ALL their questions
      are a bit on the wrong side, because just as you have your
      perspective that so much is OBVIOUS, it is also OBVIOUS that
      man's methodology is only as good as his current ability to
      deceive himself that he is correct -- till , of course, something
      better comes along.

      So, right now, because I am doing some quite pleasant blotter,
      and I see my tenticles wailing away at this keyboard driven by
      termites and angst (they are little angsts, mind you, much like
      snails but a little less human), I thank my god that doesn't yet
      exist (the questionaire is on the way) that i am not using paper
      because lighting up in the dark here all alone sloppy damp
      tenticles splashing with each stroke, I'd damage the paper more
      then the plastic -- and the termites need a shower anyways.
      However I fully believe I am a jelly-fish, and so i am, you say...a
      fabulous typing jelly-fish. The fabulous typing jelly-fish, who is
      about to become an exception by some Alf hocus-pocus of
      desire and disappear like all good exceptions in the Alf world,
      would like to stand an orate before he goes:

      "Today...(today)...(today) I consider myself ...(myself).....The
      luckiest jelly-fish ... (jelly-fish)...(jelly-fish) ...on the face of the
      earth ... (earth)...(earth)...(earth)."

      You have yet to pay for your god. How can we possibly progress
      without payment?


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    • thebookdoc@aol.com
      That is the same way I feel when I read some of your replies. However, I assure you
      Message 2 of 7 , May 1, 2001
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        <<i have no idea what you are talking about ... this is pointless

        That is the same way I feel when I read some of your replies.

        However, I assure you there was a point. And that you missed it quite
        on purpose. Another way, I guess, of making me disappear. I'll give
        you a few more chances to do just that.

        I tried to suggest that nothing is as obvious as you want it to be.
        You like phenomenology because it lets you believe whatever you want.

        Sir, the world is not flat. It is round. There is more to it than you
        can take in, see and comprehend at any one moment, and it is created
        of and by things you cannot see take in or comprehend.

        So, if you wish to remain comfortable in phenomenology, that is just
        fine. However, it is no better or less baseless than creationism --
        not from the way you are describing it and seem to understand it.

        Was the language plain enough for you?

        There is a difference between comprehending and trying to comprehend
        and giving up and not being able to see a point. One of the following
        is probably true:

        •Either you give up soon -- which is fine, because my style can be
        trying, but seems to point to a flaw in your general reasoning
        (nothing is worth very much effort to comprehend)

        •You don't care -- in which case, lets stop right now

        •No one else's opinion matters -- which is fine, but lets stop right

        •You can't comprehend though you try terribly hard -- in which case
        lets stop right now.

        •Everyone else is imaginary and doesn't matter anyway -- which is
        sort-a my point, make up your mind whose side you are on.

        I am open to other suggestions.

        If you are turning to phenomenology because you think the world is
        generally too difficult to comprehend...hmmm...Now that seems a corner
        which is not completely illogical to turn. However, once you do, there
        is no point in proving or understanding anything whatever. In which
        case, we should stop right now -- understanding, defining, proving and
        clarifying don't even come into play. You believe whatever you
        want...period. There is nothing but the way you want to comprehend
        things -- and that is all that matters. There is not even a reason to
        try or discuss it. It is non-transferable, you can't get or even
        logically want others to believe what you do, and you get to maintain
        every illusion you have -- no matter how it was induced (um, which is,
        sort-a, my point by the jelly-fish thing). You can believe it because
        of drugs, a malady, an insanity, a stupidity, a mistake, a vision, a
        dream or anything whatever -- but you can't argue a point -- not one
        -- because there are no sides. You can't prove or desire to prove you
        are right because it is opposed to having the idea. I see it so it is
        real. Everyone is right. jelly-fish or snail.

        I think the end of the discussion is defining a difference: that you
        have the feeling it is impossible to comprehend the world, and I am a
        slight more optimistic -- though perhaps just as wrong -- in thinking
        it isn't. In any case, I think this has run out of arguments. From
        your perspective you are right in any case, no matter what the proof
        or agenda, and in mine I am at an impossible impass where the
        reduction just leads to further the absurdity.

        Have fun .... with a capital 'H'


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