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  • Pat Collins
    Dawy Bone, Those voices are from me! I say, I don t think therefore I am . ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with
    Message 1 of 14 , Nov 27, 2002
      Dawy Bone,

      Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
      therefore I am".

      ... Pat






      >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@...>
      >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      >To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
      >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
      >
      >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
      >db
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      >----Original Message Follows----
      >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@...>
      >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
      >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
      >
      >
      >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic or
      >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable in the
      >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired than being
      >self deceiving or defeating.
      >
      >james.
      >
      >
      >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@...>
      >Reply-To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
      >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
      >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
      >
      >
      >
      >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental illness?
      >
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    • Bill Harris
      Dawg, If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I am, It does not matter. If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are. If you are
      Message 2 of 14 , Nov 27, 2002
        Dawg, If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I am, It does not matter.
        If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
        If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather not be.
        Bill
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: dawg bone
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:32 AM
        Subject: Re: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......


        Shouldn't it be I don't think, therefore I don't am?
        db



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        ----Original Message Follows----
        From: "Pat Collins" <retropat7762@...>
        Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
        Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:09:15 +0000

        Dawy Bone,

        Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
        therefore I am".

        ... Pat






        >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@...>
        >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        >To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
        >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
        >
        >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
        >db
        >
        >
        >
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        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >----Original Message Follows----
        >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@...>
        >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
        >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
        >
        >
        >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic or
        >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable in the
        >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired than
        being
        >self deceiving or defeating.
        >
        >james.
        >
        >
        >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@...>
        >Reply-To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
        >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
        >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
        >
        >
        >
        >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental illness?
        >
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      • dawg bone
        Shouldn t it be I don t think, therefore I don t am? db Check out my new group: Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Dawg Bone (owner) ... From:
        Message 3 of 14 , Nov 27, 2002
          Shouldn't it be I don't think, therefore I don't am?
          db



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          ----Original Message Follows----
          From: "Pat Collins" <retropat7762@...>
          Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
          Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:09:15 +0000

          Dawy Bone,

          Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
          therefore I am".

          ... Pat






          >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@...>
          >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          >To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
          >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
          >
          >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
          >db
          >
          >
          >
          >Check out my new group:
          >Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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          >
          >
          >
          >
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          >----Original Message Follows----
          >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@...>
          >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
          >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
          >
          >
          >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic or
          >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable in the
          >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired than
          being
          >self deceiving or defeating.
          >
          >james.
          >
          >
          >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@...>
          >Reply-To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
          >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
          >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
          >
          >
          >
          >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental illness?
          >
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        • dawg bone
          I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark. db Check out my new group: Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Dawg Bone (owner) ... From:
          Message 4 of 14 , Nov 27, 2002
            I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark.
            db



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            ----Original Message Follows----
            From: "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@...>
            Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
            Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:17:34 -0600

            Dawg, If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I am,
            It does not matter.
            If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
            If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather not
            be.
            Bill
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: dawg bone
            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:32 AM
            Subject: Re: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......


            Shouldn't it be I don't think, therefore I don't am?
            db



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            ----Original Message Follows----
            From: "Pat Collins" <retropat7762@...>
            Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
            Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:09:15 +0000

            Dawg Bone,

            Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
            therefore I am".

            ... Pat






            >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@...>
            >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            >To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
            >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
            >
            >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
            >db
            >
            >
            >
            >Check out my new group:
            >Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
            >Dawg Bone (owner)
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >----Original Message Follows----
            >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@...>
            >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
            >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
            >
            >
            >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic or
            >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable in the
            >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired than
            being
            >self deceiving or defeating.
            >
            >james.
            >
            >
            >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@...>
            >Reply-To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
            >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
            >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
            >
            >
            >
            >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental illness?
            >
            >
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          • satz202
            I don t always identify or agree with what the voice in my head says: am I necessarily schizoid or is it possible to Not identify with one s mentation? I
            Message 5 of 14 , Nov 27, 2002
              I don't always identify or agree with what the voice in my head says:
              am I necessarily schizoid or is it possible to Not identify with
              one's mentation? I rememebr a reference to St Amselm in an ethics
              discussion in which he says that 'temptation' is ongoing.. its only
              when one agrees with or identifies with the thoughts that one becomes
              morally responisible for one's thoughts. This seems to me to give a
              certain leeway Not to accept them...
              satz.
              In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
              > Dawg, If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know
              if I am, It does not matter.
              > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
              > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would
              rather not be.
              > Bill
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: dawg bone
              > To: existlist@y...
              > Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@y...
              > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:32 AM
              > Subject: Re: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
              >
              >
              > Shouldn't it be I don't think, therefore I don't am?
              > db
              >
              >
              >
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              > Dawg Bone (owner)
              >
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              >
              >
              >
              > ----Original Message Follows----
              > From: "Pat Collins" <retropat7762@h...>
              > Reply-To: existlist@y...
              > To: existlist@y...
              > Subject: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
              > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:09:15 +0000
              >
              > Dawy Bone,
              >
              > Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
              > therefore I am".
              >
              > ... Pat
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@h...>
              > >Reply-To: existlist@y...
              > >To: existlist@y...
              > >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@y...
              > >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
              > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
              > >
              > >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
              > >db
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >Check out my new group:
              > >Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@y...
              > >Dawg Bone (owner)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >----Original Message Follows----
              > >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@h...>
              > >Reply-To: existlist@y...
              > >To: Sartre@y...
              > >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
              > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
              > >
              > >
              > >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic
              or
              > >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable
              in the
              > >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired
              than
              > being
              > >self deceiving or defeating.
              > >
              > >james.
              > >
              > >
              > >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@h...>
              > >Reply-To: Sartre@y...
              > >To: Sartre@y...
              > >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
              > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental
              illness?
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            • Souradyuti Paul
              Will anyone be kind enough to explain to me existentialism i.e what is meant by existentialist existence ,so to say. Like, is atheism a part of
              Message 6 of 14 , Nov 28, 2002
                Will anyone be kind enough to explain to me existentialism i.e what is
                meant by existentialist existence ,so to say. Like, is atheism a part of
                existentialism? Where does spirituality ,metaphysical reasoning ,mysticism
                stand in existentialism? Is it just realism or realism is a part of it?
                Thanks,
                Paul


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                On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Bill Harris wrote:

                > Dawg, If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I am, It does not matter.
                > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather not be.
                > Bill
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: dawg bone
                > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                > Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:32 AM
                > Subject: Re: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
                >
                >
                > Shouldn't it be I don't think, therefore I don't am?
                > db
                >
                >
                >
                > Check out my new group:
                > Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
                > Dawg Bone (owner)
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ----Original Message Follows----
                > From: "Pat Collins" <retropat7762@...>
                > Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
                > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:09:15 +0000
                >
                > Dawy Bone,
                >
                > Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
                > therefore I am".
                >
                > ... Pat
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@...>
                > >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                > >To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                > >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
                > >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
                > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
                > >
                > >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
                > >db
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >Check out my new group:
                > >Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
                > >Dawg Bone (owner)
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >----Original Message Follows----
                > >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@...>
                > >Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                > >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
                > >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
                > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
                > >
                > >
                > >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic or
                > >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable in the
                > >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired than
                > being
                > >self deceiving or defeating.
                > >
                > >james.
                > >
                > >
                > >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@...>
                > >Reply-To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
                > >To: Sartre@yahoogroups.com
                > >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
                > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental illness?
                > >
                > >
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              • Fictional Character
                Yes, but if you bark in a forest are you a tree?
                Message 7 of 14 , Nov 28, 2002
                  << I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark.>>

                  Yes, but if you bark in a forest are you a tree?

                  << If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I
                  am,
                  > It does not matter.
                  > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                  > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather not
                  > be.
                  > Bill>>

                  Interesting assessment Bill, but I think 'Duard's is more like:

                  I think therefore everything I think is

                  or

                  I think therefore everything I want to think is and no one else is
                  right, ever.

                  I prefer the latter for him as the former seems to hold far too
                  much water...

                  Naked Scone
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                • eduard
                  Paul,
                  Message 8 of 14 , Nov 28, 2002
                    Paul,

                    <<< Will anyone be kind enough to explain to me existentialism i.e
                    what is
                    meant by existentialist existence ,so to say. Like, is atheism a part
                    of
                    existentialism? Where does spirituality ,metaphysical reasoning
                    ,mysticism
                    stand in existentialism? Is it just realism or realism is a part of
                    it?
                    Thanks, >>>

                    In my opinion, Existentialism does not address spirituality or
                    mysticism. This is something that Existentialist add onto the
                    philosophy. I don't think that a belief in God is in some fashion
                    contrary to Existentialist belief.

                    eduard
                    ... keep those neurons happy ...
                  • dawg bone
                    If I bark in a forest and no one sees me I may be, fore if no one sees me am I still a Dawg? db Check out my new group:
                    Message 9 of 14 , Nov 28, 2002
                      If I bark in a forest and no one sees me I may be, fore if no one sees me am
                      I still a Dawg?
                      db


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                      ----Original Message Follows----
                      From: "Fictional Character" <thebookdoc@...>
                      Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......
                      Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:19:11 -0000

                      << I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark.>>

                      Yes, but if you bark in a forest are you a tree?

                      << If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I
                      am,
                      > It does not matter.
                      > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                      > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather not
                      > be.
                      > Bill>>

                      Interesting assessment Bill, but I think 'Duard's is more like:

                      I think therefore everything I think is

                      or

                      I think therefore everything I want to think is and no one else is
                      right, ever.

                      I prefer the latter for him as the former seems to hold far too
                      much water...

                      Naked Scone
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                    • dawg bone
                      The thing that is the scariest to me is the people with voices in their head that believe it s god s voice. This gives them, in their own diseased little
                      Message 10 of 14 , Nov 28, 2002
                        The thing that is the scariest to me is the people with voices in their head
                        that believe it's god's voice. This gives them, in their own diseased little
                        minds, the divine right to do whatever horrendous thing that they want, and
                        completely justify it in there own minds.
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                        From: "satz202" <satz202@...>
                        Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [existlist] Re:what in me is thinking?
                        Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:59:36 -0000

                        I don't always identify or agree with what the voice in my head says:
                        am I necessarily schizoid or is it possible to Not identify with
                        one's mentation? I rememebr a reference to St Amselm in an ethics
                        discussion in which he says that 'temptation' is ongoing.. its only
                        when one agrees with or identifies with the thoughts that one becomes
                        morally responisible for one's thoughts. This seems to me to give a
                        certain leeway Not to accept them...
                        satz.
                        In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
                        > Dawg, If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know
                        if I am, It does not matter.
                        > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                        > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would
                        rather not be.
                        > Bill
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: dawg bone
                        > To: existlist@y...
                        > Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@y...
                        > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:32 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
                        >
                        >
                        > Shouldn't it be I don't think, therefore I don't am?
                        > db
                        >
                        >
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                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ----Original Message Follows----
                        > From: "Pat Collins" <retropat7762@h...>
                        > Reply-To: existlist@y...
                        > To: existlist@y...
                        > Subject: [existlist] Non thinking guy say.......
                        > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:09:15 +0000
                        >
                        > Dawy Bone,
                        >
                        > Those voices are from me! I say, "I don't think
                        > therefore I am".
                        >
                        > ... Pat
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > >From: "dawg bone" <dawgbone86406@h...>
                        > >Reply-To: existlist@y...
                        > >To: existlist@y...
                        > >CC: Mobius_Eclectic@y...
                        > >Subject: Re: [existlist] mental illness
                        > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:55:11 +0000
                        > >
                        > >That is exactly what those voices in my head say.
                        > >db
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >----Original Message Follows----
                        > >From: "james tan" <tyjfk@h...>
                        > >Reply-To: existlist@y...
                        > >To: Sartre@y...
                        > >Subject: [existlist] mental illness
                        > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:38:28 +0000
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >the term "mental illness" is vague. it could mean being neurotic
                        or
                        > >psychotic. sartre's concept of self deception is more applicable
                        in the
                        > >neurotic. for the psychotic, it is more a case of being impaired
                        than
                        > being
                        > >self deceiving or defeating.
                        > >
                        > >james.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >From: "Leon McQuaid" <leonpmcquaid@h...>
                        > >Reply-To: Sartre@y...
                        > >To: Sartre@y...
                        > >Subject: [Sartre] mental illness
                        > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:19:33 -0400
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >How would sartes concepts of self deception, apply to mental
                        illness?
                        > >
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                      • kinetic8001
                        Existentialism is a particular way of thinking of man s existence: The emphasis is on life s activities, so `existence is seen as man s concerned engagement
                        Message 11 of 14 , Nov 28, 2002
                          Existentialism is a particular way of thinking of man's existence:
                          The emphasis is on life's activities, so `existence' is seen as man's
                          concerned engagement with projects and activities, and `reality' is
                          seen as that which unfolds in the course of these activities.

                          For example, you've got to `know' a table through `interaction' with
                          that object in the course of your life. As a result of that
                          interaction, you've got certain implicit expectations as to what a
                          table's surface is to the touch, whether you can lift the table
                          easily, whether you can lean on the table etc. `Knowing' a table
                          involves capacity to use it [without always explicitly bringing the
                          fact of using it into your immediate awareness – I mean perhaps you
                          are using a table NOW, but you don't actually think of it].

                          Similarly, knowledge of Others and your Self forms in the course of
                          your life's activities [reflect on the examples of having a simple
                          discussion, or working with colleagues or on your own, or flirting…]
                          and involves `capacity to perform' those activities. Your awareness
                          of `who you are' is linked to your [implicit] awareness of your
                          potential to perform your life's activities. That is, you `are' what
                          you can do. [The latter involves understanding of what you've done so
                          far and what you expect you can possibly do.] Thus, you are
                          never `finished', `complete' – you cannot state that you or whoever
                          else knows you `completely' - you are full of possibilities, you can
                          always surprise yourself and others.

                          > Where does spirituality ,metaphysical reasoning ,mysticism
                          > stand in existentialism?
                          That's an interesting question where I would ask for others
                          suggestions too.
                        • Bill Harris
                          Dawg, Unless you are a rose, which is a rose , which is a rose, you are a dog. Bill ... From: dawg bone To: existlist@yahoogroups.com Cc:
                          Message 12 of 14 , Dec 2, 2002
                            Dawg, Unless you are a rose, which is a rose , which is a rose, you are a dog. Bill
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: dawg bone
                            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                            Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:44 AM
                            Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......


                            If I bark in a forest and no one sees me I may be, fore if no one sees me am
                            I still a Dawg?
                            db


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                            ----Original Message Follows----
                            From: "Fictional Character" <thebookdoc@...>
                            Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......
                            Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:19:11 -0000

                            << I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark.>>

                            Yes, but if you bark in a forest are you a tree?

                            << If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I
                            am,
                            > It does not matter.
                            > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                            > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather not
                            > be.
                            > Bill>>

                            Interesting assessment Bill, but I think 'Duard's is more like:

                            I think therefore everything I think is

                            or

                            I think therefore everything I want to think is and no one else is
                            right, ever.

                            I prefer the latter for him as the former seems to hold far too
                            much water...

                            Naked Scone
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                          • canis os
                            Well, I know i m no rose:) db Check out my new group: Subscribe:Mobius_Eclectic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Dawg Bone (owner) ... From: Bill Harris
                            Message 13 of 14 , Dec 2, 2002
                              Well, I know i'm no rose:)
                              db



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                              ----Original Message Follows----
                              From: "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@...>
                              Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......
                              Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:20:47 -0600

                              Dawg, Unless you are a rose, which is a rose , which is a rose, you are a
                              dog. Bill
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: dawg bone
                              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                              Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:44 AM
                              Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......


                              If I bark in a forest and no one sees me I may be, fore if no one sees me
                              am
                              I still a Dawg?
                              db


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                              ----Original Message Follows----
                              From: "Fictional Character" <thebookdoc@...>
                              Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......
                              Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:19:11 -0000

                              << I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark.>>

                              Yes, but if you bark in a forest are you a tree?

                              << If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I
                              am,
                              > It does not matter.
                              > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                              > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather
                              not
                              > be.
                              > Bill>>

                              Interesting assessment Bill, but I think 'Duard's is more like:

                              I think therefore everything I think is

                              or

                              I think therefore everything I want to think is and no one else is
                              right, ever.

                              I prefer the latter for him as the former seems to hold far too
                              much water...

                              Naked Scone
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                            • Bill Harris
                              Dawg, I have to bore someone with my frustration and you seem available. I find a new conspirator identified in the agribusiness anti science coalition. It
                              Message 14 of 14 , Dec 2, 2002
                                Dawg, I have to bore someone with my frustration and you seem available.
                                I find a new conspirator identified in the agribusiness anti science coalition. It seems the USDA is lending it`s considerable clout to suppress research which identifies environmental crimes committed by the Agbusiness consortium. There is a list of dangerous topics that USDA will not fund research for. People who do research in these areas are blacklisted and their findings are not published. There is a conspiracy of profit over the clean air , water and soil of the state.
                                Now we find that large hog confinements give off antibiotic resistant , airborne organisms. These are human pathogens.
                                Studies of these bioagents is verboten, we may study only areas that increase production. Bill
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: canis os
                                To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:04 AM
                                Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......


                                Well, I know i'm no rose:)
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                                ----Original Message Follows----
                                From: "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@...>
                                Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......
                                Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:20:47 -0600

                                Dawg, Unless you are a rose, which is a rose , which is a rose, you are a
                                dog. Bill
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: dawg bone
                                To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                Cc: Mobius_Eclectic@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:44 AM
                                Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......


                                If I bark in a forest and no one sees me I may be, fore if no one sees me
                                am
                                I still a Dawg?
                                db


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                                ----Original Message Follows----
                                From: "Fictional Character" <thebookdoc@...>
                                Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [existlist] Re: Nonguy say.......
                                Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:19:11 -0000

                                << I am none of the below, am Dawg therefore I bark.>>

                                Yes, but if you bark in a forest are you a tree?

                                << If you are bookdoc: I do not know if I think, I do not know if I
                                am,
                                > It does not matter.
                                > If you are Eduard; I think therefore we all are.
                                > If you are bill; I think, but I better do it right or I would rather
                                not
                                > be.
                                > Bill>>

                                Interesting assessment Bill, but I think 'Duard's is more like:

                                I think therefore everything I think is

                                or

                                I think therefore everything I want to think is and no one else is
                                right, ever.

                                I prefer the latter for him as the former seems to hold far too
                                much water...

                                Naked Scone
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