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  • Mary
    Jul 22, 2013
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      Sweet! That makes at least four of us who want to make something out of nothing. If you and Jim have already read B&N, your contributions should help eduard and me.

      Mary

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Herman Triplegood" <hbthreeg@...> wrote:
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      > Hello Mary, and everybody else. I have returned to the list after being gone for quite a while. I read the Webber article. It was helpful. It has been three years since I sat down and read (in English) Sartre's Being and Nothingness. I need to read it again. That's why I am here. So I can get some help with the hard parts.
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      > :)
      > hb3g
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      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@> wrote:
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      > > Thanks, Jim. I hope to hear from you soon.
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      > > Where eduard often 'comes from' is the 'so what?' perspective of jaded existentialists, in that this freedom to make ourselves and our meaning seems old hat. In other words, we've come so far in terms of freedom of choice and that passe expression 'identity crisis,' we wonder if existentialism is still valid. Eduard will correct me if I've misrepresented his stance.
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      > > What remains radical about Sartrean existentialism is still not easily understood. His work to uncover phenomenological and ontological structures of self-consciousness emphasizes nothingness and freedom in order to actualize our world much differently. Choosing an identity, an occupation, and embracing atheism are only a beginning. Sartre does what most philosophers do—destroys assumptions. Of course, I know I'm not that table (in-itself); but the process of reaching this transcendence (going beyond) implies something about consciousness: it is a negating (for-itself) kind of being. Yes, that waiter is acting too waiter-esque, the woman too coy, the speaker very speaker-esque. But why? The answer lies between the emptiness of self-consciousness and the gaze of others—the wrong belief we have of ourselves: we are this thing.
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      > > But if we have no fixed identity; if nothingness co-exists with being; if consciousness is an emptiness—then anything is possible. Freedom is a terrifying responsibility because it appears so abstract, when it is the most concrete quality of consciousness. Freedom precedes values as existence precedes essence. It is an untangling and unlearning of what we assume about our being. We are not a given essence; we are an existence.
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      > > The only reason 'changing our scripts' can work is because self-consciousness is empty, is for-itself, is free.
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      > > Mary
      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@> wrote:
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      > > > Well said, Mary!
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      > > > I am now back home with a bit of time to view the internet. I read Eduard's latest set of replies this morning and I was thinking of replying to him all these lines, but you beat me to it.
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      > > > Jim
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