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  • eduardathome
    Jun 15, 2013
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      Can the experience really be described without reference to neurological
      processes?? If you avoid neurological processes, then you are correct, but
      surely the only thing you can say about a coffee sip is that it is a sip or
      perhaps that it tastes good. However, the description ends there. If one
      were to fully describe the experience you would have to include that the
      taste buds provide a signal to the brain which then makes a determination of
      bitter against sweet.

      Granted, it is possible to extend the description to a wealth words. I am
      thinking in terms of wine tasting. Thousands of books are written about it
      and it is practically an industry in itself. All without speaking about
      neural processes. But if one were to set out to describe what it is as an
      experience to taste wine it would seem reasonable to say that that this
      should include how the body actually does the tasting.

      I suppose it comes down to what is meant by "description". Perhaps it is
      sufficient to say that my coffee tasted like the recent oil change for my
      car, and leave it at that.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jim
      Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 11:21 AM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] Re: was brain drain/ thought


      "there is no inside/outside really" – Yes, I agree very much with that. We
      have direct access to what is going on around us and we hear the cat over
      there and see trees bending in the wind in front of us, etc.

      Philosophers like Descartes and Locke and their modern materialist
      successors have over-emphasized the inside/outside distinction, whether the
      border is the pineal gland, the brain or the skin.

      Eduard is correct to say that there are physical goings-on inside our bodies
      which are necessary for our phenomenological experiences, but the
      phenomenology itself can be described as you have described it without any
      reference to these neurological processes.


      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, hermit crab <hermitcrab65@...> wrote:
      > Human experience is whatever is being experienced. I hear a train. a fan,
      > chattering birds, and distant thunder as I type. I feel a cool breeze,
      > smell fresh air. I reach for my coffee and take a sip. It's that simple.
      > Ah, now some pouring rain. Mmm, the air smells good. You are talking
      > about some *outside world* but there is no inside/outside really. It's
      > all one thing. I'm thinking that cool word *torrential* now because it's
      > really coming down now. Like cats and dogs.
      > h.


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