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  • eduardathome
    Apr 25, 2013
      But the reality is that we ARE all programmed. When you make a decision,
      you are weighing factors which are part of your upbringing, experience and
      circumstance. You can even assess the programming. If someone makes a
      decision, ask them ... why. Some may initially say they don't know, but if
      you question enough, you will find the reason.

      Why did the chicken cross the street??

      In fact you can't make a decision without weighing factors. The word itself
      implies a weighing as to how you cut something up.

      Granted there are those who are affected by genetic flaws and those
      traumatised, but even here they are making a decision on the basis of

      They guy who gets pushed onto the rails of a metro is not making a decision.

      We are programmed because we have tendencies that guide what we do. A
      person who is traumatized may go to his/her particular tendency and indeed
      may find it difficult to go to some new decision. That is why these people
      are treated.

      I am not saying it's easy. Getting away from our tendencies and make new
      decisions that have beneficial result is part of maturing. Having an open
      mind is being able to adopt new programming. We can reshape our essence.

      But this is also an argument that we do not have free will. Our "will" is
      our ability to choose. Is there a case for which a person makes a decision
      [chooses] without weighing factors that are a part of his/her makeup?? The
      factors are our own personal programming. Therefore, there is no free will.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mary
      Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:41 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] shaping essence


      No, not unable to make decisions but perhaps impaired in varying degrees to
      make those decisions which align with our will. Think of those affected by
      genetic flaws and those traumatized or simply victims of bad luck. We're not
      all programmed, either by nature or nurture, to change our programming as
      easily as you make it seem.

      Neither does a summation of the years of hard work to gain understanding and
      the ability to change what we're able to change adequately represent the
      difficulty it took getting t/here. Individual strengths vary from one person
      to another, and what seems to have the greatest impact on someone's ability
      to change is support from others.


      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome <yeoman@...> wrote:
      > I don't think anyone is saying that a person is helpless to make
      > decisions.
      > We are programmed to make decisions
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Mary
      > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:03 PM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialism...correction
      > Should have said free will rather than freedom since I bothered to make
      > the
      > distinction in a previous post. I don't know anyone who acts thinking
      > they're programmed and helpless to make decisions when there are genuine
      > options available. Of course we also need an environment in which certain
      > freedoms are guaranteed in order to exercise whatever free will we think
      > we
      > have.
      > Mary
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@> wrote:
      > >
      > > What I love about Sartre's existentialism is that we are not completely
      > > bound by either formulas or genetic determination. If we think that we
      > > are, then we are not free to create our essence. It's probably more
      > > accurate to say we have some freedom and live as if we do.
      > >
      > > Mary
      > >
      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "existlist" <hermitcrab65@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome <yeoman@> wrote: But
      > > > even if you thought about it, your criteria for
      > > > > thinking is also a matter of programming, so the possibility of free
      > > > > will
      > > > > becomes questionable. Perhaps the only person who can have free
      > > > > will
      > > > > is a
      > > > > new-born baby.
      > > >
      > > > ===Or a zygote because a new-born baby already has genes expressing
      > > > themselves. Maybe that's why Herman Polly was a_zygote on this list a
      > > > few years back. I remember he/she did not believe in the concept of a
      > > > 'self'.
      > > >
      > > > h.
      > > >
      > >
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