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  • eduardathome
    Feb 9, 2013
      [a consummation in a deployment of the spirit's self knowledge and
      self-power of its divine being and consciousness is the culmination]

      One could very well propose that there is an evolution of humanity [assuming
      we will last much longer to actually evolve further], since we already know
      that is what is happening.

      But your previous statement was that there is a meaning in the cosmos. So,
      what is that meaning??

      If the meaning is that humans should arise and somehow reach a level of
      divine being ... why?? Did the cosmos in its origin of the Big Bang also at
      the time have a focus upon a humanity which would not appear for another 12
      billion years or so??


      -----Original Message-----
      From: devindersingh
      Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:37 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialist Concepts?

      There are, according to Sri Aurobindo, three stages that cover the entire
      process of manifestation that is relevant to evolution. An involution of the
      spirit in the inconscience is the beginning;
      evolution in the ignorance with its play of possibilities of a partial
      developing knowledge is the middle; a consummation in a deployment of the
      spirit's self knowledge and self-power of its divine being and consciousness
      is the culmination. It may be argued that the two stages that have already
      occurred seem at first sight to deny the possibility of the later
      consummating state of the cycle, but it is stressed that logically they
      imply its emergence. For, it is argued, if the inconscience has evolved
      consciousness, the partial consciousness already reached must surely evolve
      into complete consciousness, considering that just as the impulse towards
      Mind ranges from the more sensitive reactions of Life in the metal and the
      plant up to its full organization in man, so in man himself there is the
      same ascending series, the preparation, if nothing more, of a higher and
      divine life. It is, therefore, contended that it is a supramentalised,
      perfected and divinized life for which the earth-nature is secretly seeking,
      and that a progressive manifestation of this kind can only have for its
      secret or significance, the evolution of a Being in a perfect Becoming.
      According to Sri Aurobindo, the present age of human development has a
      possibility of becoming a gate for the arrival of a Spiritual Age in which
      the ideal of brotherhood can come to be practised; it is only in that
      condition that a new form of human unity can be forged in which the
      individual and the collectivity, even on a global scale of organization, can
      come to be harmonized. In the meantime, however, it is to be realized that
      the advent of the Spiritual Age and even a transition to that advent is
      bound to be difficult, and it is, in fact, riddled with a series of crisis.
      And there are deeper reasons for this crisis.
      Sri Aurobindo considers the present stage of crisis as an
      evolutionary crisis in which the human will is called upon to make a free
      choice. This is the crisis where the human reason has evolved up to a point
      where it is obliged to play the role of lifting up humanity to create a life
      of unity, mutuality and harmony. On the other hand, there is a force that is
      striving to assert stark barbarism which has still survived in the
      civilized man. There is thus an acute conflict between the ideals of Reason
      and the gravitational pull of barbarism supported by Unreason. Within the
      larger framework of this conflict, there are three alternative
      possibilities, which are also in conflict with each other. For it is
      possible that the humankind may be able to utilize the present scientific
      and technical knowledge to such an extent that an order of existence can be
      created in which physical and vital wants of the human being can greatly, if
      not fully, be satisfied, and it may also be conceived that this order of
      existence can be maintained by mechanical devices and application of the
      power of machines. This possibility may push humanity to the creation of a
      framework that can be sustained only by the imprisonment of the human
      spirit. There is also a second alternative in which human reason can
      continue to spin out larger or narrower circles propounding great dreams but
      find itself unable to fulfill them. But there is also a third alternative in
      which the human beings might consent to rise to the higher levels than those
      of the Reason and consent to be spiritualized.
      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      > [The purpose of the creation of the cosmos is your own individual
      > evolution]
      > In brief, what you are saying is that humanity is evolving. We already
      > know
      > that ... even if one were to accept that it is an evolution towards a
      > cosmic
      > consciousness.
      > That doesn't answer the question of what is the "meaning". Am I here for
      > some particular purpose or reason?? What is there in all this for the
      > individual??
      > If the end point is to be able to link our consciousness with a cosmic
      > consciousness, why is this important? If for some reason we do not reach
      > that point ... so what? And who or what is monitoring our progress?
      > eduard
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: devindersingh
      > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:49 AM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialist Concepts?
      > The meaning for you Eduard is this:Each plane that emerges in the
      > evolution contains the seed of the following planes. So the plane of
      > matter which emerges first contains the seed of the planes of life and
      > mind. Each planes also has involved in it even higher planes, including
      > the planes of the spirit. The spirit is involved in all the planes that
      > emerge. One of the goals of life is for us to enable the spirit to
      > emerge in matter, life, and mind. That is one of our roles of destiny;
      > to release the spirit in all things.
      > Life is involved in Matter; Mind is involved in Life; and Supermind in
      > Mind. (Actually Mind is involved in Matter and Life, and Supermind in
      > all three.)There is a process of unfolding of one plane from the
      > previous plane. One plane emerges from the previous because it is
      > already involved there as potential; and under the right circumstances
      > emerges to the next highest plane. However, what really compels the
      > emergence of the next plane is the underlying spirit that is embedded in
      > each plane, pushing that plane's potential to emerge from its current
      > plane into the next plane. Since spirit is infinitely creative, what
      > emerges in the next plane is dynamically new and creative; what could
      > not be conceived. http://www.gurusoftware.com/GuruNet/Creation.htm
      > What then is the next step of your evolution Eduard?The ordinary human
      > consciousness is confined to one's own individual consciousness.
      > That is, we are directly aware of only our own thoughts, feelings and
      > sensations. What lie outside our personal consciousnessâ€"the
      > consciousness of other beings and things in the worldâ€"are
      > apprehended by us only indirectly, through external sense contacts,
      > emotional empathy or mental inference. However, the personal
      > consciousness of our separate individual self is part of and one with
      > the consciousness of the Cosmic Self. Our individual physical, vital and
      > mental consciousness is derived from and is a part of a universal
      > physical, vital and mental consciousness. But there is a wall of
      > Ignorance between the individual consciousness and the universal
      > consciousness. Consequently, the individual self feels itself to be
      > separate from the universe. By means of a spiritual discipline our
      > ordinary consciousness, which is more or less gross and dense, becomes
      > more subtle and is able to perceive what lies outside our individual
      > consciousness more directly through an inner perception. It becomes a
      > direct perception of consciousness all around us through our own
      > consciousness. Further, by a widening of the individual consciousness,
      > it extends itself progressively so as finally to be identified with the
      > consciousness of the universe, seeing oneself in everything in the
      > cosmos and everything in the cosmos in oneself. One is then said to have
      > cosmic consciousness. Thus, "When one has the cosmic consciousness,
      > one can feel the cosmic Self as one's own self, one can feel one with
      > other beings in the cosmos, one can feel all the forces of Nature as
      > moving in oneself, all selves as one's own self" (1972d, p.
      > 1071).http://www.ipi.org.in/texts/ipyc/ipyc-full/asdalal.php
      > The purpose of the creation of the cosmos is your own individual
      > evolution:http://www.gurusoftware.com/GuruNet/AurobindoMother/TheLifeDiv\
      > ine/HTML/LifeDivineIntro.htm --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com,
      > eduardathome wrote:
      > >
      > > [Is the cosmos meaningless, as expressed by various thinkers called
      > > "Existentialists". I think not. ]
      > >
      > > If the cosmos has meaning, then what is this meaning?? And for this
      > the
      > > meaning should be a meaning for the individual. What does all this
      > mean to
      > > me. That is the issue. It is pointless to say that the cosmos has
      > meaning
      > > if this is not a meaning for the individual.
      > >
      > > So Debashish if you think the cosmos has meaning, please tell what is
      > the
      > > meaning.
      > >
      > > eduard
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: devindersingh
      > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:35 AM
      > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialist Concepts?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > would I agree with Camus that life is absurd? Life has a purpose.
      > > Is the cosmos meaningless, as expressed by various thinkers called
      > > "Existentialists". I think not.
      > > > Dick: I exist so what is it all about and what does life offer in
      > the way
      > > > of experience.
      > > This talk considers Sri Aurobindo's spiritual experiences.
      > > The presentation is partly based on Dr. Debashish Banerji's recently
      > > published book "Seven Quartets of Becoming: A Transformative Yoga
      > Psychology
      > > based on the Diaries of Sri Aurobindo".
      > >
      > > Dr. Debashish Banerji is a Dean of academic affairs at the University
      > of
      > > philosophical research in Los Angeles:
      > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Xhzui09n8Z0&feature=endscreen
      > >
      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" wrote:
      > >
      > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Dick." wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Existentialist Concepts?
      > > > >
      > > > > [ Eduard, Agreed. We don't know how a zealot or sadist makes
      > decisions.
      > > > > Existentialist context is for existentialists, and there don't
      > seem to
      > > > > be many left anymore. It's pointless to argue whether anyone else
      > is
      > > > > acting authentically. I don't think anyone is inherently anything,
      > and
      > > > > I'm not accommodating terrorists by suggesting they're bound to an
      > > > > ideology. Are there any existentialists concepts you agree with?
      > Mary ]
      > > > >
      > > > > Well he is certainly right on that at least, they are brainwashed
      > by an
      > > > > ideology. However, do a numbered list of what you see as being THE
      > > > > Existentialists Concepts and we can go though them one at a time.
      > I read
      > > > > them all many years ago and was most amazingly unimpressed and
      > downright
      > > > > bloody bored stiff. My own existentialist outlook is only one
      > concept â€"
      > > > > I exists so what is it all about and what does life offer in the
      > way of
      > > > > experience. I was asking that question, in a less sophisticated
      > way,
      > > > > when I was three. So, what does it have to offer us? What have you
      > > > > found? I have told what I found (six books and a hundred poems and
      > > > > thousands of letters and emails). Now you have a go. Or are you
      > like the
      > > > > gnostics and who say that they will not tell?
      > > > >
      > > > > Dick Richardson
      > > > >Dick, read the existentail primer. It is not too long and is very
      > concise
      > > > >and direct. CSW has continually updated it . You need not task us
      > on our
      > > > >own site when the whole philosophy is well outlined by the Owner.
      > Bill


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