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59283Re: [existlist] Re: The boy in the hole

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  • eduardathome
    Feb 5, 2013
      I don't think security would be bothered with people going to the mountains.
      It will be interested in what you do when you get there.

      The licence plate of your car will have an RFID [radio frequency
      identification chip], so they will know when you go to the mountains and
      when you might leave. The chips will be installed under to premise of "user
      pay" for the road system. Security only has to tap into the system. And of
      course they will monitor all your communications whilst you are there.

      In a way, a speaker is a microphone, but you don't have to be that
      complicated. Landlines are easily monitored and cellphones .... well ... we
      all know that they have no real privacy.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: William
      Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:34 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] Re: The boy in the hole

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      > Yes ... what you do is what you are.
      > But in this case doing something IS a threat to liberty.
      > The problem is that people are weighing the event against the means to be
      > implemented to possibly avoid the event in future. Eventually it will be
      > all gone and we will wonder how it all happened.
      > Those "security people" aren't just doing what they can. They are busily
      > thinking up new ways to track the population out there and identify
      > individuals who may be outside the "norm". And of course, the norm is
      > what
      > they define as the norm. What they do is "security" and this soon becomes
      > an objective in itself.
      > I have no doubt that emails in the US are being "filtered" according to
      > key
      > words that Homeland Security feels are indicative of terrorist
      > inclinations.
      > Certainly it is being done in Canada, although I think it is only for
      > specifically targeted people at this time.
      > I think there is an imbalance of event and response which is due to the
      > media coverage of such as "the boy in the hole". There are something
      > like
      > 315 million people in the US. So you have one 65 year old who kills a bus
      > driver and kidnaps a boy. All very tragic but how many bus drivers were
      > not
      > killed and how many boys not kidnapped. That isn't to minimize the event
      > but to put it into perspective. And already Bill is advocating sending up
      > more drones and putting chips in the "crazies". But actually Bill is
      > going
      > further than that. He has the equation of "gun + chip = takedown". The
      > only way to do that is put a chip in everyone and then a registry of arms.
      > So the computer can compare the person [any person] against the list and
      > then signal the takedown. It has to be that way, since there is no way of
      > knowing if Mr. Average is a crazy or not. Huge loss of liberty with Big
      > Brother watching over every individual.
      > eduard
      > Eduard, I am not for chips but I know that in the security rhelm what can
      > be done will be done. Invisible bar codes can be developed and imprinted
      > without the knowledge of the individual. Just plan to be watched and
      > listned to at all times. The far right has a certain sensitivity to these
      > matters. They do not trust the government and fight its growth. In that
      > regard I do listen to what they say. The eye in the sky over Syracuse has
      > not as yet been shown to violate civil rights but how would anyone know
      > ? I have been told that any speaker is also a microphone. Is that
      > possible,as an engineer you might know. An open wire into any environment
      > can transmit picture and sound both ways. Any hope of privacy was lost
      > with Marconi forward. I think we are wired and watched especially if we
      > have a computer or phone in our presence. I think it is the nature of the
      > modern world and going to the mountains will not make a difference.Look
      > at the global hawk its ability to gather
      intelligence even from very high altitudes is of course classified. Go to
      the mountains and you can still be looked down on. I do not see any way
      back from this you just can`t uninvolve technology. As I said in Map you
      can`t run the clock backwards. Bill
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Mary
      > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:06 PM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [existlist] Re: The boy in the hole
      > Oh eduard. Those "security people" are just doing what they can. Shit
      > happens. Not. This is why existentialism is more about 'what you can do'
      > and
      > how the personal intersects with the public than hindsight about every
      > path
      > is the same. What you think directly relates to how you act. If liberty is
      > important, then what the individual does, whether a private citizen or a
      > government, is important, is worth the trouble, is life and death for
      > many.
      > What's equally threatening to liberty is doing nothing.
      > Mary
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      > >
      > > You mean "Asperger's".
      > >
      > > The idea of chips is disturbing. The security people won't stop until
      > > they
      > > have chips in everyone. Big threat to liberty.
      > >
      > > eduard
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: William
      > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:07 PM
      > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [existlist] The boy in the hole
      > >
      > > We got the whole nut bag treatment with this story. Gun violence,
      > > veteran
      > > acting out, child abduction, murder, kidnapping and suicide. It
      > > appears
      > > the FBI rescued the child who had Augsburgers. This story is one of
      > > modern
      > > disfunctionality. and would seem to defy any conclusion or attempt at
      > > prevention.
      > > Remember Dirty Harry when the nut job invades the school bus? I wonder
      > > if
      > > Dikes did?
      > > It may be time to put up the drones and canvass the crazies all the
      > > time.
      > > Can the computers do that? can the democracy stand it. We may be able
      > > to
      > > detect a weapon and any perp with no gun rights could be intradicted
      > > for
      > > cause. The cops stop him and confiscate his weapon and take him to a
      > > treatment holding facility. It would probably require implanting a chip
      > > that identifies the suspect as a mental problem. Gun plus + chip =
      > > take
      > > down. I can see this shaping up and think it is big brother to the
      > > maximum
      > > extent. The crazies just keep pushing the envelope of evil and is
      > > actually
      > > domestic terrorism. The methodes that work against Islamic terrorism
      > > could work for this domestic scourge. I hate the thought of it but
      > > know
      > > it will soon be proposed. A nut job with a gun will be taken down
      > > automatically and we probably already have the technology with the
      > > drones.
      > > Welcome to the brave new world. Bill
      > >
      > >
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