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  • William
    Jan 31, 2013
      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      > It is unlikely that humans, in their present form, would enter interstellar
      > space. For one thing, our lifetimes do not permit it. Voyager was launched
      > some 35 years ago and has yet to reach interstellar space, albeit almost at
      > the edge. Who is going spend 35 years of their life just getting to the
      > edge of the solar system?? Granted they would travel faster, but basically
      > it is the same result.
      > The closest star is 4.2 light years away. Voyager has a speed of 15
      > km/second or about 5*10^8 km/year.
      > One light year is 9.5*10^12 km so the closest star is about 4.0*10^13 km
      > away. Dividing through the time to get to the closest star at the speed of
      > voyager is about 800,000 years. Even if you significantly increased the
      > speed of the space ship, it is still a lot of years and nowhere close to a
      > human life. If the speed is increased by an order of magnitude it is 80,000
      > years and still too long.
      > If you think in terms of a colony of humans travelling over say a few
      > hundred generations, the problem is that the people who arrive would not be
      > same as having left. I mean in the sense of their humanity. And would they
      > have any interest in sending back some message of their arrival?? Would
      > they have the skills and knowledge to survive on some unknown planet??
      > Would the humans remaining on earth have any interest in receiving the
      > message?? And even if they did have an interest, what would they do about
      > it??
      > eduard
      > Eduard when you lay out the numbers on space it is seen as the cul de sac it turns out to be. When we say we are a terrestrial people we mean exactly what we say. Being a menber of an ecosystem is not like being able to change football teams. You are intimately united with the whole and will remain such. That is why cleving to supernatural schemes is so destructive to the whole. Jumping off the reality of this living system just makes no sense and makes the solid inhabitatts work harder to accomodate the fools. Bill
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: William
      > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:43 PM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [existlist] Map
      > In considering who I am I should orient myself in space as well as in time.
      > For many years the concept of space has troubled me. I was especially
      > confounded by Eienstein`s theory of mass bending space.I have solved the
      > problem to my partial satisfaction but I know my ideas are simplistic. I see
      > two kinds of space. One is the space around objects, it can be measured.The
      > other is the space that may or may not exist devoid of matter.If this kind
      > of space is invaded by energy it becomes the first kind of space as energy
      > and mass are interconvertable. The current research on the Higgs Boson
      > certainly enters here.Defining nothingness is a futile act of trying to
      > prove a negative hypothesis. I think it to be impossible.
      > I live in surface space the space defined by the surface of the earth.
      > Encompassing surface space is atmospheric space. It is surrounded by
      > interplanitary space which is surrounded by interstellar space which is
      > surrounded by intergalactic space. Since the universe is expanding, the
      > galaxys are invading nothingness thus creating -------------------more
      > intergalactic space.
      > We call our planet, earth, our star ,sun,our star system the solar system
      > and our galaxy the Milky way.Outside our galaxy things get really big and
      > far away. Strange entities exist in intergalactic space .At any rate no
      > human has entered interstellar space, we have travled a short distance to
      > the moon in interplanitary space. Models of the universe have been built
      > from pictures taken from the Hubble Space telescope. We lie inconspicously
      > in our galaxy on one of many tentacles. There are billions of galaxys each
      > containing billions of stars. In my lifetime we will not leave our solar
      > system with a manned vehicle. At the present it is beyond our depth to worry
      > about interstellar space.
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