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59038Re: [existlist] Re: "Philosophy is the biography of the philosopher."

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  • eduardathome
    Jan 19, 2013
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      I did not say that you "need" to see the biochemical process. I am saying
      that you can't monitor the process. We can think and know we have a brain
      without being aware of the process at the moment thinking occurs. So it
      cannot be said that the brain is aware of its thinking. If it were aware of
      its process of thinking [that is, we being aware], then it would have to
      monitor the process in some fashion.

      eduard

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mary
      Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:12 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] Re: "Philosophy is the biography of the philosopher."

      One last thing today. To repeat, being aware that you have a brain, that it
      is thinking this thought or the other, and neurological scanning, all equate
      to awareness of a brain. Do you really need to see the biochemical
      processes to know you have a brain?

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" wrote:
      >
      > I meant to say the thinking function of the brain does exist but only
      > because it has objects to consider, including itself.
      >
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" wrote:
      > >
      > > No, eduard, I said the thinking brain doesn't exist. This is different
      > > from all the other functions the brain performs. Evolutionary
      > > development of the brain, and the history of ideas are linear. You want
      > > to isolate the brain from everything except itself. If you do that it's
      > > no longer part of a system, neither a system of ideas nor an
      > > environmental system. If you want a simpler system, that's what you
      > > prefer, your own script if you will.
      > >
      > > Mary
      > >
      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Mary,
      > > >
      > > > "Without objects to perceive, including itself, the thinking brain
      > > > doesn't
      > > > exist."
      > > >
      > > > You are well beyond me. I tend to look at things in a concrete linear
      > > > fashion. That is why I like Nooism. It doesn't get into stuff at
      > > > some
      > > > rarefied level. We think by using our neurons [our brain] and that's
      > > > it.
      > > > We don't have to speculate on this or that or some combination until
      > > > nothing
      > > > really makes any sense.
      > > >
      > > > Consider your statement above. Basically you are saying that if there
      > > > is no
      > > > brain, then the brain doesn't exist. Isn't that kinda obvious.
      > > >
      > > > It's very simple. Objects exist. They always exist regardless of
      > > > humans.
      > > > The brain can "know" an object by means of its sensors. But the
      > > > "knowing"
      > > > is only an interpretation largely based on previous learning. Our
      > > > brain can
      > > > store the electrochemical information which "represents" the object.
      > > > Later,
      > > > in our "thinking" this information may be used in a mental script to
      > > > produce
      > > > another thought, a behaviour or whatever.
      > > >
      > > > We can be aware of our thinking, as to say that we know when we have
      > > > thought
      > > > of something, but we cannot monitor the actual process of thinking.
      > > > So in a
      > > > literal sense, one cannot say that the brain is aware of itself. To
      > > > do so
      > > > is to anthropomorphise the brain.
      > > >
      > > > eduard
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: Mary
      > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:55 AM
      > > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: [existlist] "Philosophy is the biography of the philosopher."
      > > >
      > > > eduard,
      > > >
      > > > Let's focus solely on the brain which is an object in and for itself.
      > > > It
      > > > self-mediates. It evolved and developed a capacity to observe and
      > > > understand
      > > > itself and its environment. This potential was implicit in the brain
      > > > and
      > > > made explicit through evolution. The brain evolved and became aware of
      > > > itself. Another way to say this is that after the brain discovered
      > > > objects
      > > > outside itself, especially those things it needed to live, the brain
      > > > discovered itself. Evolution is an idea explicating itself. The brain
      > > > is an
      > > > idea of itself, is an object for itself, is its own cause and effect.
      > > > What
      > > > does this imply about everything else that is other than our brain?
      > > > Yes, an
      > > > object is mediated through the brain, and the result is an idea, but
      > > > the
      > > > mediator is also an idea, the brain idea. The mediator which mediates
      > > > between the object and the brain is the idea of the brain. Without an
      > > > idea
      > > > of the brain as the thinker formulating an idea, an idea about the
      > > > object
      > > > isn't possible. Without objects to
      > > > perceive, including itself, the thinking brain doesn't exist. The
      > > > brain is a
      > > > unity of idea and materia, and long before natural phenomena were
      > > > objects of
      > > > perception they co-evolved with our brains. Do we now say we have no
      > > > use for
      > > > our environment? Because the idea of the brain was implicit in
      > > > phenomena, I
      > > > agree with those who posit that 'idea' is both implicit in nature and
      > > > explicated through a natural brain, a whole.
      > > >
      > > > Mary
      > > >
      > >
      >




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