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56257Re: Winding down

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  • William
    Oct 15, 2011
      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@...> wrote:
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      > The right coalesces to influence government for their own profit. A pro-Israeli lobby is no different from pro-Saudi or pro-Christian military lobbying to retain their god's security to maintain their own prosperity. But when has the left ever organized for anything but opportunity for the least advantaged? How they go about it is subject to debate, not why. Equal access to our representatives is what's now at stake; whether we'll have any kind of representation at all.
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      > Mary
      > Mary, the wall street protestors like the tea baggers sit on the edge of politics as revolution is always just around the corner for them. That the wall street protestors do not coalese into a integral political platform has tactical advantages. With no nominal leadership the conservatives have no one to attack. I`m sure the right will invent some Palinesque straw person to villify but the real enemy is at 1600 Pennsilvania ave. Now I think the Jews have a right to fear and loath Iran. I do not like the Persian regime and would like Israel to nuke them way back to where they belong. A medium sized city buster on Tehran would do nicely and the oil might be unharmed. That,however is not the kind of war the MIC wants/ The MIC wants the troops continually blooded and a good old infantry slug fest draws down invantories that must be replinished. Conventional wars are good for business and the right are the party of big business. The people in the streets ,from the right and left are so diverse and politically polyglot that only a national election can disentangle the hair ball.I know the right will happily use a war to change the course of a leftward reversal. Some rich Jews might prove temporary allies but I have no illusions of their loyalty to anything but their own direct causes. They manage to keep those causes quiet and private. On a happier note the universal struggle against dogma was helped by the inditement of the Bishop of KC. I consider pedophilia bullying and at the present time bullying has a real bad brand image. The destruction of the National Cathedral and a bishop in the stocks seem worthy of happy feelings. Make my day, Bill
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "irvhal" <i99hj@> wrote:
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      > > Let's keep our perspective Bill. If anyone's "ginning" us up for a war with a mythically-inflated Iran it's a certain sophisticate lobby often funded from affluent Beverly Hills and the Hamptons (neither of which are being picketed by what Nietzsche might call the levelers) and which often manipulates the Holy Rollers. You're old enough to remember the seventies when it was the oil companies that pled for a restrained, even-handed policy in the Middle East -- a plea that begat (besides Senator Fullbright and Senator Percy's removal) a rash of oil company credit cards being cut up and returned from certain quarters. And before we indulge in a partisan Democrat revisionism, remember it was President Eisenhower that disengaged from Korea, asserted the national interest over the narrow during the Suez Crisis, and forewarned of the military-industrial complex. And who, aside from Senators Ron and Rand Paul, dare to take on that same lobby and complex today?
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      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <v.valleywestdental@> wrote:
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      > > > Mary, that article pretty well outlines the leftist position. I recall Kent State and the great amount of time and treasure later required to extract us from Viet nam. Destroying the banking system and pillaging the middle class are akin to sending millions to fight a war that no one wanted. The right has always played hard ball and blood and death is just fine with them as long as it is not their blood or death. The oil wars are fought by the young poor who could not get a job and went to the military to survive. Only the young can remedy this mad imbalance and they must learn that their opponents care not one fat damn for the lives or fortunes of political enemies. Jamie Diamond belongs in the joint with Madoff and until the young make the battle personal the masters of greed will continue to run rampant. I fully expect an attempt to steal the election and the ginning up of a war with Iran could be the context for special wartime emergency measures to put a republican back in power. We face an internal radical elite that will stop at nothing to keep power. A war with Iran could get the draft reinstated and the right could send the young to death in the sand. Without a war the F35 will never be built and you and I know how badly we need an F35. Ask the defense contractors and they will tell you. Bill
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