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  • eupraxis@aol.com
    Oct 15, 2011
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      There is certainly a Jewish Lobby, so-called, and I have written here against much of its influence. I am one of those who still openly accuses Zionism of being a racist ideology. I have also openly allied myself to calls for a cutting loose of Israel and a realignment in the Middle East on more rational and progressive principles.

      I am personally very dubious over this whole Iranian story, and especially any attempts to allege that the latter proves that Iran is in league with Mexican drug figures, although I have been led to believe in the strong possibility that the US has had such ties. My inkling is that this whole Iranian bit is a dog and pony show of the Bush-era style. It is just one more sign that Obama is out of control of his own administration.

      Not that I have any sympathy for the current Iranian regime, mind you -- which should be overthrown by those poor folks who suffer under it.

      Wil





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      Ah yes. Here's Wil, always testy about "social constructs" that suggest there's any group -- aside from Marxian economic classes -- that might coalese for something special. I didn't want to paint with too broad a brush, so perhaps we should've left out the Holy Rollers.

      Irvin

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      > Let's keep our perspective Bill. If anyone's "ginning" us up for a war with a mythically-inflated Iran it's a certain sophisticate lobby often funded from affluent Beverly Hills and the Hamptons (neither of which are being picketed by what Nietzsche might call the levelers) and which often manipulates the Holy Rollers. You're old enough to remember the seventies when it was the oil companies that pled for a restrained, even-handed policy in the Middle East -- a plea that begat (besides Senator Fullbright and Senator Percy's removal) a rash of oil company credit cards being cut up and returned from certain quarters. And before we indulge in a partisan Democrat revisionism, remember it was President Eisenhower that disengaged from Korea, asserted the national interest over the narrow during the Suez Crisis, and forewarned of the military-industrial complex. And who, aside from Senators Ron and Rand Paul, dare to take on that same lobby and complex today?
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      > > Mary, that article pretty well outlines the leftist position. I recall Kent State and the great amount of time and treasure later required to extract us from Viet nam. Destroying the banking system and pillaging the middle class are akin to sending millions to fight a war that no one wanted. The right has always played hard ball and blood and death is just fine with them as long as it is not their blood or death. The oil wars are fought by the young poor who could not get a job and went to the military to survive. Only the young can remedy this mad imbalance and they must learn that their opponents care not one fat damn for the lives or fortunes of political enemies. Jamie Diamond belongs in the joint with Madoff and until the young make the battle personal the masters of greed will continue to run rampant. I fully expect an attempt to steal the election and the ginning up of a war with Iran could be the context for special wartime emergency measures to put a rep ublican back in power. We face an internal radical elite that will stop at nothing to keep power. A war with Iran could get the draft reinstated and the right could send the young to death in the sand. Without a war the F35 will never be built and you and I know how badly we need an F35. Ask the defense contractors and they will tell you. Bill
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