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56244Re: Winding down

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  • Josie
    Oct 6, 2011
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      Bill,

      Wages for welders were cut in half in the seventies, never rebounding. and tech schools glutted the market. Union halls are empty, because lower wage, non-union workers took what jobs there were during that first recession. When the economy rebounded from time to time, construction wages did not. Not enough demand made that particular skill not worth learning. It's more an art form anyway, if you want safe, quality work. Production or assembly line welding is done by robots these days.

      Mary

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <v.valleywestdental@...> wrote:
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      > I just listened to a construction superintendant from Chicago who said he could use twenty welders but there are none. The union apprentice schools are empty as the young do not want construction jobs they want white collar work. Skilled union construction takes years of training young people are in the streets but what they want may no longer exist. Soft, unskilled jobs are gone, if there ever were many of them. Piece work is done by machines and employees are expensive. The fewer the hands on the pie the more pie for each.
      > I would bet that many of the protesters were working in those NY buildings they now picket. The banks and insurance companies do not need them back,technology has gobbled up those jobs and the bosses plan to pocket the gain. So they are protesting the right people. Now what they can accomplish is another question.
      > You, Mary demand greater socialism and "We are the 99%" sounds quite powerful when screamed by thousands. If the left can`t figure how to get a win out of this debacle then they are as inept as I fear. You give people a bigger dole and they will grow into it fast. The generation that has failed to enter the work force are primed to be the first non working generation and Mary wants to give them every opportunity. Whose going to pick up the garbage? Whos going to fix the leak when all the plumbers were never trained, they are on the dole. Capitalism makes people work. Asshole bosses and foremen coerce workers to put out. I see the concept of work itself being questioned and perhaps it is time for civilasation to have the debate. If you are socialist I would ask that you answer how we manage to get the work done. Since you and I are at the end of our work lives this is really a young person matter. I think the young will move left and the pendulum will move from the right to the middle. Distrubution and maintance are going to be crucial in the next few years. Bill
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