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55887Re: [existlist] Re: Possibilities

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  • tom
    Jun 3, 2011

      George Soros's "Open Society" paradigm is that our thoughts can never completely match reality, an open society would be one in which there is an awareness that no ideas are 100% describing reality, so ongoing debates and elections between relatively liberal, and relatively conservative forces are hoped to result in ideas that more nearly describe and deal with the challenges that are being faced. Certainly the problem of the huge vested interests that have successfully engineered the massive growth of the military industrial complex over our life times is extreme. The incarceration rate has quadrupled since 1980;whereas violent crime has remained fairly stable.

      Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003. Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes" laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release. These policies were championed as protecting the public from serious and violent offenders, but instead yielded high rates of confinement for nonviolent offenders. Nearly three quarters of new admissions to state prison were convicted of nonviolent crimes. Only 49 percent of sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national "war on drugs." The number of incarcerated drug offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges. wikipedia----- -----

      The expenses for so called defense is much higher than in the days of the cold war. Hundreds of billions of dollars spent each year for more missiles, jets and nuclear bombs allegedly to fight terrorists is like getting canons to fight spiders.

      So I see any voting blocks of both liberals and conservatives to fight either of these evils as a possible beginning of a place where people of good will could debate the advantages and disadvantages of more socialization or more privatization. So much of the present debates are not about matters of opinion as much as the paid lackeys justifying their sugar daddies.

      From: Mary
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:03 PM
      Subject: [existlist] Re: Possibilities

      Socialists would push agendas which eliminate most the root cause of these problems :)

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@...> wrote:
      > Mary, Bill etc
      > Liberals can push for reducing military scope to move money from war toward health, education, welfare etc; and conservatives as a way of reducing government. Then debates and votes could occur as to the disposition of saved sums. Libertarian Republicans like Ron Paul pushing anti war agenda allows other Republicans to do so without being seen as leftists. The military industrial complex just like police state prison complex is a monster that feeds on the body politic like a cancer.
      > Peace
      > Tom

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