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54603Re: Up with American regionalism

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  • William
    Feb 1, 2011
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      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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      > My hunch is that the current regime will fall; the new one will form; aid will continue as before. The only real change that I can surmise would be towards the Palestinians -- that is, taking a more pro-Palestinian stance as part of the old treaty obligations. If so, it would be a win-win situation, as far as I am concerned.
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      > Wil
      >Wil, Mubarik just said he will not run again all he is doing by staying is risking his life. I think he will go to London and the Queen will be nicely paid to baby sit him. The guy will get a golden parachute for his years of fealty to Uncle Sam.
      The poor bastards in Egypt will not have it so good but at least we did not blow up their country like Bush did Iraq. Have you seen the little gift we have given the Iranians? A worm that could eat their centrrafuges. It may have been the Brits but one of us shoulld get a cookie. Bill
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      > From: William <v.valleywestdental@...>
      > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 1:45 pm
      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Up with American regionalism
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      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@ wrote:
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      > > Well, then, we should "shirk".
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      > > Wil, You may be right as our telecom empire may make it unnecessary to deal with the old societies other than with non paper transactions. I have been noticing the tanks on the street in Egypt. They are of US design. We give them foreign aid and they buy our weapons. Therefore we subsidise our arms industry with our own money. It is good for employment here and feeds the MIC. Now Egyptians cant afford to feed themselves, the profits from cotton and transportation leases are gobbled up by the rapicous wealthy. Revolt seems necessary but we should stay out of it as they will buy food or more arms or they will perish. When I site the Monroe doctrine I mean we stay out of their business. That ancient culture must be reformed but we cannot do it. They must do it and if they don`t or can`t they will recede into anarchy. We should not try to take over just as they should not meddle in our western hemisphere business. Enough of them will get into the US that we need not worr y about losing their genetic heratage. Those old cultures work to isolate their gene pool and have not figured out our strength is our ever broadning gene pool. New ideas spring out of recumbant DNA and those idiots have bred themselves into a corner. Do gooder liberals and bible pounder christians will demand we take millions of them here but I think many see our prosperity springs from manageable population numbers.There I think Tom and I could make some agreement. We certainly have greater responsibility under the Monroe doctrine to western hemisphere hispanics than to middle eastern egyptians. You can`t buy out overpopulated states, they just spend the money and make more people. I understand the Monroe doctrine is a very old document but it is in our history and might be of renewed use in the near future.I am not speaking from a globalist perspective but from an American perspective, Like Keller,that is what I am. Bill
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      > > From: irvhal <i99hj@>
      > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 10:58 am
      > > Subject: [existlist] Re: Up with American regionalism
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      > > The Monroe Doctrine, which was meant to be a reciprocal policy whereby we refrain from the European sphere and vice versa, was but an exercise and consummation of real politik. Great powers spawn spheres of influence -- the shirking of which leaves but a void filled by another, then Spanish, later Soviet. And people and a common history define a nation, something to consider as our elites acquiesce in a multicultural immigrant invasion of immense proportion, while commmiting our blood and treasure to unwise ventures abroad. National virtues, like personal ones, are habits acquired, not something told or taught.
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      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@> wrote:
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      > > > Wil and Bill
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      > > > I guess in some way a claim for the Monroe doctrine could be comparable of the idea of personal space, and "getting in your face" as aggressive and confrontational. Also the presence of foreign powers in the vicinity would be a great strategic advantage to such powers if a conflict broke out between the US and 1 of these European powers. But to attempt to apply the personal space idea to the mideast by the US would be like me accusing you of getting in my face when you are on the other side of the bar. As a matter of fact, Islamic nations could make the case that the US has been in their faces for many years. During the cold war, arguments could be made that US presence around the world was necesary to avoid the USSR taking over the world. However, today there seems to be no other competitor with the US for imperialist of the world. The US attempt to spin current imperialism as bringing freedom and democracy is comparable to the Holy Roman Empire justify ing t heir conquest as spreading Christianity or Islamic nations spreading Islam. Ironically, I think many brainwashed Americans really believed that Operation Free Iraq was about bringing freedom to Iraqis, and anybody not interested was lacking in love of freedom and fellow man. These people began to feel angry that so many Iraqisis didn't appreciate what we were doing.
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      > > > Peace
      > > > Tom
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: eupraxis@
      > > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:10 AM
      > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] Up with American regionalism
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      > > > Bill,
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      > > > Of course the Monroe Doctrine concerned the prevention of Western European countries from further exercising their influence in Latin America. That little bit of presumption has had the cumulative effect of keeping many lands to the south of us in bitter poverty and at the mercy of dictators and US exploitation until recent times. The idea was that South America was in some way "American". In these times, and long past the Barbary Wars, no such claim can be made concerning Egypt, of all places, even by those who try to channel Monroe.
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      > > > "Doctrines" like the aforementioned one require a 'pre-historical' populous; that is to say an underdeveloped circumstance capable of being the brunt of such paternalism. It also requires conditions for its possibility. Neither are the case here.
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      > > > Wil
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      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: William <v.valleywestdental@>
      > > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:24 pm
      > > > Subject: [existlist] Up with American regionalism
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      > > > I like the Monroe doctrine, it entered in the idea of global humanity. Monroe was thinking of world government ,many many years before its possibility.
      > > > This last flash of individual thoughts seem to suggest we are not ready to surrender our daughters and share the land. Existlist is alive and well as individuals exist within and adverse to governments.
      > > > Tom is truly good at that integral duality and therefore he may point the evolutionary short grass. Eat it or hide in it, just use what you need,it is your time. Bill
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