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  • eupraxis@aol.com
    Dec 7, 2008
      Jim,

      Thanks. Again, I am in agreement with your basic enframing of the topic.

      Wil

      In a message dated 12/7/08 11:21:06 AM, jjimstuart1@... writes:


      > Wil,
      >
      > Thanks for your post – I find myself in agreement with just about
      > everything you have written on this subject.
      >
      > I'll just comment specifically on this section from your post:
      >
      > "While I understand the fear of a MacDonalds being on every street
      > corner of London, it is nevertheless the case that American culture
      > (R&B, blues, rock and roll, etc.) has already so affected British
      > popular culture as to be, by now, indissociable from it. For many
      > years, there were more white Brit kids from Liverpool listening to
      > recordings of Albert King, T-Bone Walker or Muddy Waters than kids
      > from Long Island, where I grew up."
      >
      > I, myself, am not too concerned about American culture dominating
      > over here. I consider myself rather a `counter-culture' person
      > anyway, quite happy to embrace things which are often explicitly
      > reactions against the mainstream culture, whether British or American.
      >
      > More than anything else, I consider myself to be a European rather
      > than English or British. I see myself as part of the intellectual
      > culture of Europe which started with the Ancient Greeks, then moved
      > to the Romans, and more than anything else I see myself as a product
      > of the Enlightenment.
      >
      > I found myself feeling a sense of pride when I read Zizek writing:
      >
      > "What makes modern Europe unique is that it is the first and only
      > civilisation in which atheism is a fully legitimate option, not an
      > obstacle to any public post. This is most emphatically a European
      > legacy worth fighting for. (Violence, p. 118)
      >
      > I suppose I also feel myself to be a continuation of a tradition of
      > English radicalism which embraced such groups as the Quakers, the
      > Chartists and the early trade unionists.
      >
      > Referring to myself as European tends to annoy British/English
      > nationalists and patriots. However they themselves seem to be on
      > tricky ground when asked if they are primarily English or British.
      >
      > I note that Louise sometimes refers to herself as `British' and
      > sometimes as `English'. This is only likely to annoy anybody who is
      > Scottish or Welsh. As you know, England has conquered both Wales and
      > Scotland at some time or other, and today there are many Welsh and
      > Scottish nationalists who wish to defend their Welsh and Scottish
      > culture from the English imperialists.
      >
      > Sometimes these Welsh and Scottish nationalists talk of the English
      > as a different race!
      >
      > Finally, moving from culture back to race, I can honestly say that to
      > me race is a total non-issue. I see people as human beings primarily
      > and hardly notice the colour of their skin. Just as I would be
      > perfectly happy for my children to be gay, I would be perfectly happy
      > for them to have loving relationships with individuals from different
      > racial and cultural backgrounds.
      >
      > Perhaps it could be argued that I am so unconcerned about cultural
      > and racial only because I have never suffered at the hands of a
      > stronger cultural or racial aggressor. Certainly being male, white,
      > heterosexual, middle class and European, I acknowledge that I am
      > probably not the best person to talk on the subject of the oppression
      > of minorities.
      >
      > Jim
      >
      >
      >




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