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44151Re: [existlist] Re: Autistic Minds

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  • Susan Schnelbach
    Apr 11 8:39 PM
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      I don't think he meant 1 in 3 to 1 in 7 males is autistic. I believe
      he meant that for every 1 female diagnosed with as autistic there are
      3 to 7 males diagnosed.

      - Susan

      On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:26 AM, bhvwd wrote:

      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Exist List Moderator
      > <existlist1@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > On Apr 03, 2008, at 9:49, bhvwd wrote:
      > > > I am beginning to have some very disturbing thoughts about the
      > malady
      > > > but the numbers become most important in planning any response
      > to the
      > > > phenominon. Is it equally spread over ethnic groups, races,
      > religions
      > > > and geographic areas? Are there socio economic groups who
      > experience
      > > > higher numbers?
      > >
      > > While we know ASDs are diagnosed at a much higher rate in males
      > (1:3
      > > to 1:7), there is not a clear ethnic bias. Rumors to the contrary,
      > > autism does exist in groups that do not get vaccines, do not live
      > in
      > > cities, do not eat commercial crops, etc. (There was
      > a "journalist"
      > > who reported there was no autism among the Amish -- he didn't
      > bother
      > > to find out they don't get medical diagnoses and don't file for
      > social
      > > services. Once a study was done, we also found seizure disorders,
      > > retardation, and everything else that afflicts humans.)
      > >
      > > The "rich" and those best educated are most likely to have
      > children
      > > diagnosed with autism. Again, this goes to the availability of
      > > resources and not an actual increase in incidence.
      > >
      > > The "autism epidemic" is about awareness, most likely. In
      > Minnesota, I
      > > have charted the increase in "autism" against a marked decrease in
      > > "retardation" and the charts are precisely related. As autism
      > > diagnoses increased, retardation declined. It's all about
      > words....
      > > which is very in tune with phenomenology and words leading to
      > > experiences.
      > >
      > > > I think CSW probably knows where I am headed with this and He may
      > > > chastise me for even thinking autism is a genetic response to
      > general
      > > > overcrowding of the human species.
      > >
      > > If anything, I wonder about the risks implicit in a group that is
      > just
      > > two or three steps removed from sociopathy. Thankfully, autism
      > leads
      > > to a "black and white" morality, and no one knows why. Instead
      > of "I
      > > can do anything, since you don't exist," the autistic mind seems
      > to
      > > insist upon rigid adherence to rules and order. These rules are
      > not
      > > the same as laws, so our move is to make ASD students understand
      > there
      > > are illogical rules they must follow. Okay... this isn't much
      > better
      > > if we look at what fascism would do with perfect law-abiding
      > > individuals. "I was just following the law" is not much better
      > than
      > > sociopathy in some cases.
      > >
      > > Trying to teach social awareness to ASD students has led to a
      > number
      > > of books on the topic. There is a scale we use, too. The teaching
      > > includes "A '5' is illegal." You end up hoping the ASD student
      > > memorizes enough rules to stay out of trouble. Their B&W morality
      > > would be a good thing, if it didn't lead to legal conflicts.
      > >
      > > - C. S. Wyatt
      > > I am what I am at this moment, not what I was and certainly not
      > all
      > > that I shall be.
      > > http://www.tameri.com - Tameri Guide for Writers
      > > http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist - The Existential Primer
      > >CSW, Those numbers are staggering, if one in three males are
      > affected we are looking at a world shattering event. A wounded
      > soldied is considered much more valuable to an adversarys victory
      > than a clean KIA. If you are talking about a 1/3 walking wounded
      > rate the casualties will bring us down.
      > Since your most affective reply I have looked at some other theories
      > about the pathogenisis of the syndrome. Some are looking for some
      > trigger mechanisms that set off a predisposing genetic proclivity.
      > Much like carcinogenic agents in malignant disease ,a chemical agent,
      > virus, bacterium or prion might turn on a genetic sequence bringing
      > on the symptoms of the disorder. Very little has been found.
      > it seems we must try to identify the specific genes involved.
      > Developing a test, especially in utero, leads to moral and
      > political debates.
      > Before we start that grueling process we need know much more adout
      > all of this and such science runs its slow , particular course. As in
      > the case of homosexuality it has taken half a century to field a
      > research group given authority to even study the situation. If your
      > numbers hold true the dissociation of the present population will
      > force a quicker, more fully funded research effort.
      > Those like yourself seem most potent in slowing the progress of
      > a "us' and "them mentality that solves nothing. Bill
      >
      >
      >



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