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3725RE: [existlist] Sept.11 in perspective

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  • Eduard Alf
    Oct 1 1:52 PM

      I would grant that one could make such comparisons, so as to look outside
      the box. But although this is laudable for a certain perspective, the
      danger is that we may wish to accept the loss in some fashion. For example,
      a lot of federal buildings here went into high alert immediately after the
      11sep01 incident, yet today it is mostly put into the past and it is
      business as usual. Meaning that there is no longer an individual checking
      passes of persons wishing access. On the one hand this is good from the
      point of view of not wanting to have too much in the way of restrictions on
      our freedom of movement, but on the other we may be open to future
      incidents. We have entered a new world of possible terrorism [or perhaps
      one should say that we have finally entered an existing world of terrorism]
      and there has to be a continual care for the safety of people using the

      -----Original Message-----
      From: William Harris [mailto:bhvwd@...]
      Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:05 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Sept.11 in perpective

      Jim, Im glad you got that in before the carnivore starts knawing away at
      freedom of speach. I think distrust of authoritarians will creep back into
      the minds of thinking people. "You can fool ...ect" Bush is such a thin
      stick man, I dont think he will stand up to the blast of unemotional
      that will come when more people step back and look at this as you have. In
      many ways philosophers are like Army Rangers, "Follow me". Bill

      Jim Aiden wrote:

      > Some numbers for those that happen to have interest in facts.
      > ---
      > Ten million or so flights happen across the United States every year
      > vs.
      > Four planes went down.
      > ----
      > Mayor Gulliani estimates a one billion dollar hit on New York State
      > because of tax losses
      > vs.
      > How many trillions is the annual U.S. Budget?
      > ---
      > The U.S. Military-Industial Complex can be measured in the trillion
      > of dollars.
      > Vs.
      > Bin Lauden's (alleged mastermind) is worth an estimated 350 million.
      > ---
      > 250 million people in the U.S. Plus maybe another billion in what
      > might one call the 'West'
      > vs.
      > A few thousand violent radical Muslim extremists (not to be confused
      > or associated with a few hundred million Muslims or six billion
      > humans).
      > ---
      > Suffering caused from this one incident.
      > vs.
      > Amnesty International Report- > http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/
      > Unicef -> http://www.unicef.org
      > Feel free to examine the numbers (in the millions) that die
      > needlessly every year.
      > ----
      > WTC and Pentagon... two very important places damaged and destroyed.
      > vs.
      > Exactly how large is the U.S? How big is the world?
      > ----
      > Two hundred years creating protection of individual freedom from the
      > government in the U.S. Constitution... achieved despite wars,
      > depression, exploitation and slavery.
      > vs.
      > A bad day (OK... 'a day that will live in infamy' if that makes Bush
      > feel like Roosevelt). Let's Carnivore the Internet, wiretap the
      > entire world, station fully armed military troops in airports,
      > terrorize tourists at U.S. Borders that spend billions of dollars
      > annually, escort commercial jetliners with F-16's because some A-RAB
      > gets caught smoking in the washroom...... I could continue for a while
      > but here it is in CNN's word's....
      > *** Justice Department draft proposals ***
      > Among the proposals U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft has drafted
      > to combat terrorists:
      > - Ease restrictions on wiretap and search warrant requests
      > - One wire tap order could be valid nationwide
      > - Allow law enforcement to seize suspected terrorists' voice mail
      > with search warrant
      > - Expand mandatory detention for those deemed threat to national
      > security
      > - Authorize of search and surveillance in U.S. of non-Americans up to
      > a year
      > - Allow broader disclosure of grand jury information
      > ---
      > Maybe somebody gets what I'm alluding to? Perhaps a tiny tiny
      > bit of an overreaction, drama and neglection of the facts?
      > America's response should not have been labeled a WAR.
      > Unfortunately that word politicizes and emotionally energies
      > something that really should just be a high profile criminal case and
      > some adjustments to anti-terrorism policies. I have more important
      > things to worry then some extremist group, but if it helps
      > politicians make voters forget about the dwindling economy then who
      > am I to judge? To the Hawks, enjoy spending billions to kill those
      > few responsible and 'protect' us and bail out companies that
      > supposedly detest government spending, while millions still suffer
      > every single day and our freedoms are stripped away one by one.
      > In case people forget, there is a cost associated with everything
      > whether the cause be just or not... Existentialism 101.
      > One last FAQ.... In 2000, the total UNICEF expenditure was 1.1
      > billion dollars for the ENTIRE world.
      > Only another perpective
      > J.Aiden
      > P.S. Not judging Americans.... I'm judging people everywhere in world.
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