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36644Re: Meaning Remains the Same

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  • trop_de_simones
    Nov 7, 2005
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      Thank you, Tina =)

      You understand my point. Though relative, significance is what we
      determine for ourselves. We choose the others who are significant to
      us, for the brief span of a lifetime.

      Simone

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Tina =)." <xoxoxo@g...> wrote:
      >
      > simone, i wouldnt say your post was insignificant...because for a
      > moment, i sat and thought about my significance (or
      insignificance).
      > if we stop thinking about ourselves for a moment and think about
      those
      > who are affected by us and our actions, then it seems we are
      > significant. however, if we stop thinking about ourselves and we
      > think about the universe and it's expansion, and the stars and ...
      > then it seems we are insignificant. significance is clearly
      > relative...like most of our feelings.
      >
      > tina
      >
      > On 10/31/05, trop_de_simones <trop_de_simones@y...> wrote:
      > > Nevermind. It was incoherent, incohesive, and more to the point,
      > > insignificant. Simone
      > >
      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <cruzprdb@w...>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Simone, I have read this rather interesting post several times
      and
      > > > still cannot navigate its waters to the point. You are usually
      not
      > > > this enigmatic.Perhaps you just have an esoteric reason in
      avoiding
      > > > your usually quick stylings that I am as yet unaware of.
      > > >
      > > > Trinidad
      > > >
      > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "trop_de_simones"
      > > > <trop_de_simones@y...> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > "Be the change you want to see." That is what the church
      marquee
      > > read.
      > > > > Needless to say, I took it personally; because, afterall,
      > > everything
      > > > > revolves around me. Are people zebras? Are they incapable of
      > > change?
      > > > > How does changing myself help you? Why don't you change? Why
      do
      > > we seem
      > > > > so powerless to change? "I was just born this way." "Nobody
      > > > > understands." Sounds adolescent, doesn't it? It could be true.
      > > > >
      > > > > A sensible conclusion might be that human beings and the
      universe
      > > have
      > > > > an unchangeable case of unrequited love. Obviously, the
      universe
      > > is
      > > > > impersonal, non-rational and does not need us in the same way
      we
      > > need
      > > > > it. We are not significant to our earth. It could well live
      > > without us.
      > > > > The reverse is ridiculously untrue. But the story of human
      > > interaction
      > > > > is even more complicated, perhaps even an evolutionary
      > > development. We
      > > > > become aware* of need and have difficulty finding a healthy
      > > balance
      > > > > between self and other. We seek a permanent mutual
      subjectivity
      > > with
      > > > > others about matters far beyond our biological needs, our
      > > comfort. Just
      > > > > how impossible is it to share subjectivity with an other mind?
      > > > >
      > > > > Anxiety about our existence in the universe and our world is
      > > horrible
      > > > > enough; but when you couple that with the fact that we spend
      much
      > > of
      > > > > our lives desiring significance, well life can be troubling.
      We
      > > want a
      > > > > significant other for whom we are significant.
      > > > >
      > > > > Just maybe we confuse our basic biological needs with a
      feeling
      > > of
      > > > > signifance far beyond our species' development. In other
      words,
      > > our
      > > > > cognition and awareness leads us to believe we are actually
      > > significant
      > > > > far beyond our personal spheres of influence. In fact, even
      > > within
      > > > > these dynamics we tend to think our selves more important than
      > > others.
      > > > >
      > > > > Accepting our mutual insignificance might actually free us
      from
      > > self-
      > > > > absorption and help us change our need to be especially*
      > > important.
      > > > >
      > > > > Simone
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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