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23097Re: [existlist] Re:Pleasure

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  • eduard at home
    Dec 2, 2003
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      Bill,

      I am not discounting the value of getting pleasure in the
      here and now. All that I am trying to say is that
      "self-pleasure" is a motive for applying effort to one's
      present existence in order to obtain a reward in the future.
      Although I am [as you know] a die-hard socialist, I am
      trying to put all of this in the context of the
      Existentialist individual, since it makes more sense ... to
      me.

      That's a sad story about your model. It's too bad that she
      could not see the dark side of running herself into the
      grave.

      It sort of reminds me of a recent news item [I think on CBS
      by old Dan Rather]. It appears that this entrepreneur has a
      business of putting on food eating contests. It sort of
      reminded me of those people who used to put on dancing
      competitions during the dirty thirties. It was at one of
      these eating contests that a Japanese student ate 50 hotdogs
      [including the buns] in one sitting. The news item focused
      upon one guy who prides himself in being a ranking eater.
      The whole thing struck me as very stupid, but a reflection
      of present culture. When you have the opportunity ... stuff
      yourself with whatever you can get. Something like that
      crowd at WalMart which trampled some lady into the ground.
      The point being that immediate gratification is not always
      good for you.

      But then this may be an American thing. Did you notice the
      article on Yahoo about the growing cultural rift between
      Canadians and Americans??

      eduard

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "bhvwd" <valleywestdental@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:43 AM
      Subject: [existlist] Re:Pleasure


      > Eduard, many years ago I had a wonderful trist with a
      model. She
      > fascinated me in many ways but philosophically she lived
      in the
      > present, only. She had money but married a wild biker who
      was broke.
      > She liked him. When he rode off to live with whores she
      took up with
      > me. We were going to write a book which we would entitle
      Nineteen
      > Motels. She died suddenly of a burst aortic aneurism. She
      had her
      > Vogue cover, she had her biker, she had her doctor. She
      shot smack,
      > smoker hash and drank good scotch neat. She never spoke
      of the
      > future to me. She rejected delayed gratification and her
      bet paid
      > off, in a way.
      > Now I live on but often think of her and her philosophy
      of the
      > present . I wonder if she had an unpublished diagnosis of
      her
      > condition. Once when she noticed a bit of blubber around
      her midrif
      > she said it made no difference and she would no longer
      work it off. A
      > prior knowledge of impending doom would completely
      validate her
      > way of life. If she had such knowledge she took it away
      with her in
      > silence. If she didn`t she played her life to perfection
      on a hunch.
      > She was always one up on life and those around her. I
      think her
      > strong enough to end her own life should it have become
      unpleasant.
      > The closest life to hers I can remember is that of James
      Dean. Are
      > these very unique people epicurians? Sociopaths,
      criminals,
      > existential saints? Bill
      >
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