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  • William Harris
    May 31, 2001
      Eduard, Spin, spin. when will it end? Now we not only spin politics. we spin
      research. I suppose at some level of increduality a counter spin movement will
      restore a level of trust. Bill

      Eduard Alf wrote:

      > Bill,
      >
      > i would suggest that it is the subjective interpretation of objective
      > results that is the problem ... the data itself does not imply cause and
      > effect, it is the persons who use this data for their own purposes ... it is
      > an old saying that you can prove anything by such studies ... but the "you"
      > is a person and not the data ... another case of confusing the objective
      > view with the subjective view ...
      >
      > it is very nice out today ... all sun ... and warm for a change ... it is
      > supposed to go up to 17c but i would suspect that it is more than that now
      > ... i bought ceramic lepricons (we call them bonhommes) to put in the garden
      > ... which reminds me that i have to move some dirt around today ...
      >
      > eduard
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: William Harris [mailto:bhvwd@...]
      > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:01 AM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] Discussing METHOD
      >
      > Diana, I agree with you to the level of observation that I would call
      > counting studies. Certainly simple observation can be prejudiced by ones
      > subjective mind set. Counting can come clowser to an objective view, yet the
      > problem remains , what do you count, IE, the hanging chad? I personally
      > trust
      > very few statistical studies, especially those that imply cause and effect
      > relationship where none is proven. Bill
      >
      > Diana wrote:
      >
      > > << ... regarding the first reason, it is not impossible ... there are
      > > techniques to at least statistically get close ... if it were
      > > impossible, none of the tests done by science would be valid ... in
      > > the case of medical testing there is the "double-blind" and "placebo"
      > > techniques ...>>
      > >
      > > How do you find out what is objectively true?
      > >
      > > << ... regarding the second, you are adding stuff which does not
      > > relate to the issue ... the objective view has nothing to do with the
      > > state of the person ... why bring in "subjugated under universal
      > > laws" and "having no independent life of its own" ... so what? ... if
      > > one is subjugated that does not have any impact on the ability to see
      > > something with an objective view ... objective viewing simply means
      > > observing and recording the attributes of an object without adding
      > > subjective judgements ...>>
      > >
      > > If we accept that such "recording" is possible, then what you say
      > > sounds all right. I myself haven't developed such a good recording
      > > ability and I regard the subjective factor as important as I attempt
      > > to gain an understanding on my own/others world-view(s).
      > >
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