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  • Roger Stuart
    Mary, what do you mean? did he break the blitz box or the thing Viagra is used for? ... From: marysmailbox2003 [mailto:marysmailbox2003@yahoo.com] Sent:
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 31, 2003
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      Mary, what do you mean? did he break the blitz box or the thing Viagra
      is used for?

      -----Original Message-----
      From: marysmailbox2003 [mailto:marysmailbox2003@...]
      Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:55 PM
      To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: A question?

      Well, my father is deceased but we did get many times together as
      adults to play. He had an important job but I knew him as the man
      who liked to boogie board and ride beach cruisers with me. As for my
      mom? She's getting a lser leveler this year and some socks. And I
      do disrupt her life with fun distractions.

      Your poor dad. Did he break it or actually complete the task?




      --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
      <rstuart@s...> wrote:
      > It's not to late to play with your parents. Now it's my time to get
      > even. For Christmas I'll always give my Dad a gag gift, like one of
      > those free samples of Viagra you get at the doctor's office, a
      singing
      > Christmas tree or mounted fish. Last year I got him a "Blitz Box"
      which
      > is a maze puzzle you have to work the ball through to the end
      before you
      > can get the cash or gift certificate out of the middle. It took him
      > three months to go to Outback Steak House with it out of the thing.
      >
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: marysmailbox2003 [mailto:marysmailbox2003@y...]
      > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:56 AM
      > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: A question?
      >
      > I wish my parents played with us more. I wish my mom would have
      gone
      > to church with us and said grace with us before dinner.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Bridget Night"
      > <BridgetNight123@h...> wrote:
      > >
      > > I have to give a lesson this Dec. 28 at our church on
      strengthening
      > the family during these last days. One of the questions I plan to
      ask
      > the group is "What, one or two things, would you wish had been
      > different in your family growing up that would have made your
      family
      > life better? Here's how my husband and I answered that question?
      > >
      > > Me: I wish our home at not been so messy, disorganized, and
      dirty.
      > My mom was a horrible housekeeper and I always felt ashamed to
      bring
      > friends home. The clutter put a lot of stress in our home. And two
      I
      > wish I would have had a mom who could talk to me about girl things.
      > >
      > > My husband: I wish we would have had sit down dinners, and went
      to
      > church as a family and had God in my life growing up. I wish my
      dad
      > had spent time with me and did sports with me.
      > >
      > > I will also ask what good things were in your family that made it
      a
      > strong family as well. So, give me your suggestions for my lesson.
      > >
      > > Thanks, Bridget
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
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    • Mary
      LOL! It never occurred to me that might happen!! ... Viagra ... my ... I ... get ... of ... Box ... him ... thing. ... -- ... - ... two ... things. ... it
      Message 2 of 11 , Jan 1, 2004
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        LOL! It never occurred to me that might happen!!

        --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
        <rstuart@s...> wrote:
        > Mary, what do you mean? did he break the blitz box or the thing
        Viagra
        > is used for?
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: marysmailbox2003 [mailto:marysmailbox2003@y...]
        > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:55 PM
        > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: A question?
        >
        > Well, my father is deceased but we did get many times together as
        > adults to play. He had an important job but I knew him as the man
        > who liked to boogie board and ride beach cruisers with me. As for
        my
        > mom? She's getting a lser leveler this year and some socks. And
        I
        > do disrupt her life with fun distractions.
        >
        > Your poor dad. Did he break it or actually complete the task?
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
        > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
        > > It's not to late to play with your parents. Now it's my time to
        get
        > > even. For Christmas I'll always give my Dad a gag gift, like one
        of
        > > those free samples of Viagra you get at the doctor's office, a
        > singing
        > > Christmas tree or mounted fish. Last year I got him a "Blitz
        Box"
        > which
        > > is a maze puzzle you have to work the ball through to the end
        > before you
        > > can get the cash or gift certificate out of the middle. It took
        him
        > > three months to go to Outback Steak House with it out of the
        thing.
        > >
        > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
        --
        > > THIS EMAIL SCANNED BY NORTON INTERNET SECURITY TECHNOLOGY
        > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
        -
        > > Roger C. Stuart
        > > 1404 SW 49th Terrace
        > > Cape Coral FL 33914-6933
        > >
        > > (Cell) (239) 470-1869
        > > (Home) (239) 540-0199
        > > (Fax) (208) 692-3223
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: marysmailbox2003 [mailto:marysmailbox2003@y...]
        > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:56 AM
        > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: A question?
        > >
        > > I wish my parents played with us more. I wish my mom would have
        > gone
        > > to church with us and said grace with us before dinner.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Bridget Night"
        > > <BridgetNight123@h...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > I have to give a lesson this Dec. 28 at our church on
        > strengthening
        > > the family during these last days. One of the questions I plan to
        > ask
        > > the group is "What, one or two things, would you wish had been
        > > different in your family growing up that would have made your
        > family
        > > life better? Here's how my husband and I answered that question?
        > > >
        > > > Me: I wish our home at not been so messy, disorganized, and
        > dirty.
        > > My mom was a horrible housekeeper and I always felt ashamed to
        > bring
        > > friends home. The clutter put a lot of stress in our home. And
        two
        > I
        > > wish I would have had a mom who could talk to me about girl
        things.
        > > >
        > > > My husband: I wish we would have had sit down dinners, and went
        > to
        > > church as a family and had God in my life growing up. I wish my
        > dad
        > > had spent time with me and did sports with me.
        > > >
        > > > I will also ask what good things were in your family that made
        it
        > a
        > > strong family as well. So, give me your suggestions for my
        lesson.
        > > >
        > > > Thanks, Bridget
        > > >
        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Questions on the group? contact founder directly at: ncxds@y...
        > >
        > > The Ex-Gay Discussion Board is a ministry of:
        > > NCXDS Ex-Gay Internet Ministries
        > >
        > > Feel free to link to these pages on your own website:
        > >
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        > > <http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/exgaydiscussionboard> | Chat:
        > > <http://chat.yahoo.com/?club=exgaydiscussionboard>
        > >
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        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Bridget Night
        Someone on one of my other groups brought up this question: I was just wondering, in your opinion, do you think it would have been easier to overcome SSA back
        Message 3 of 11 , Jan 28, 2004
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          Someone on one of my other groups brought up this question: "I was just wondering, in your opinion, do you think it would have been easier to overcome SSA back when it was not as accepted as it is now, or now, when there is so much more help, I would guess, with reparative therapy and all the books on change? "


          Here is how I answered it:

          That is a very interesting question you brought up. I had not thought about that before. I know from talking to my son and others who have rejected God and the church, that they are more inclined to pursue a homosexual relationship because they have the belief that gays are becoming much more accepted and even idolized by shows like the "Queer Eye." Schools, and Universities are becoming very accepting and now with politics, states, and even Christian churches accepting gay marriages, and homosexuality as just fine, gives them even more hope. From talking to my customers and many other people including relatives, I have found many to have bought the line that you are born this way and cannot change. Oprah and Dr. Phil, who do great things in many areas and are considered rational, educated good people, have promoted this belief. Because it is so difficult to overcome and I know of many who have sincerely tried to overcome it and have not succeeded, can tend to believe that as well. I really liked Dr. Throckmortons article to Dr. Phil on this.

          I would like to make an analogy here. I have always had to struggle with not being overweight most of my life. I was not over weight until the last 10 years, since reaching menopause and having a thyroid problem. Since then, it has been very difficult and I am 50 pounds over weight for my height and age. I know my genetics pre-dispose me to obesity. When you read the serenity prayer about accepting the things you cannot change, and changing the things you can, I consider my issue and this SSA issue. There have been times that I just felt like giving up on controlling my appetite and accepting my fat. But, then I get the consequences of overeating, and not watching what I eat. So, no matter whether I am limited by genetics, or lack of self-discipline the fact remains that FAT is not beautiful or healthy and I should continue to do the best I can to overcome it. Similarly, even if there is a genetic factor to having SSA, and/or a brokeness involved, we should never stop enlisting the help of God and any tools he sends us to overcome our problem.

          Bridget

          So, how would you all answer this?


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        • okay ray
          it is the same as always, but gays are now out in the open. dr ray ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site
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            it is the same as always, but gays are now out in the
            open. dr ray
            --- Bridget Night <BridgetNight123@...> wrote:
            > Someone on one of my other groups brought up this
            > question: "I was just wondering, in your opinion, do
            > you think it would have been easier to overcome SSA
            > back when it was not as accepted as it is now, or
            > now, when there is so much more help, I would guess,
            > with reparative therapy and all the books on change?
            > "
            >
            >
            > Here is how I answered it:
            >
            > That is a very interesting question you brought up.
            > I had not thought about that before. I know from
            > talking to my son and others who have rejected God
            > and the church, that they are more inclined to
            > pursue a homosexual relationship because they have
            > the belief that gays are becoming much more accepted
            > and even idolized by shows like the "Queer Eye."
            > Schools, and Universities are becoming very
            > accepting and now with politics, states, and even
            > Christian churches accepting gay marriages, and
            > homosexuality as just fine, gives them even more
            > hope. From talking to my customers and many other
            > people including relatives, I have found many to
            > have bought the line that you are born this way and
            > cannot change. Oprah and Dr. Phil, who do great
            > things in many areas and are considered rational,
            > educated good people, have promoted this belief.
            > Because it is so difficult to overcome and I know of
            > many who have sincerely tried to overcome it and
            > have not succeeded, can tend to believe that as
            > well. I really liked Dr. Throckmortons article to
            > Dr. Phil on this.
            >
            > I would like to make an analogy here. I have always
            > had to struggle with not being overweight most of my
            > life. I was not over weight until the last 10 years,
            > since reaching menopause and having a thyroid
            > problem. Since then, it has been very difficult and
            > I am 50 pounds over weight for my height and age. I
            > know my genetics pre-dispose me to obesity. When you
            > read the serenity prayer about accepting the things
            > you cannot change, and changing the things you can,
            > I consider my issue and this SSA issue. There have
            > been times that I just felt like giving up on
            > controlling my appetite and accepting my fat. But,
            > then I get the consequences of overeating, and not
            > watching what I eat. So, no matter whether I am
            > limited by genetics, or lack of self-discipline the
            > fact remains that FAT is not beautiful or healthy
            > and I should continue to do the best I can to
            > overcome it. Similarly, even if there is a genetic
            > factor to having SSA, and/or a brokeness involved,
            > we should never stop enlisting the help of God and
            > any tools he sends us to overcome our problem.
            >
            > Bridget
            >
            > So, how would you all answer this?
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been
            > removed]
            >
            >


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          • Mary
            Bridget, After reaching the age of 34, I who was once as skinny as a rail, started gaining weight rapidly. This runs in our family on my mother s side. I,
            Message 5 of 11 , Jan 28, 2004
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              Bridget,

              After reaching the age of 34, I who was once as skinny as a rail,
              started gaining weight rapidly. This runs in our family on my
              mother's side. I, too, have had to change many of my habits to bring
              my weight down. I gained 60 lbs in one year and it took 2 years to
              lose it and maintain. Anyhow, having said that, weight issues are
              genetics. SSA is not or at least has never been proven. Our father
              does not call being overwieght immoral. But acting on SSA feelings
              is immoral. So you cannot equate the two. And I am surprised that
              anyone on this board would suggest that SSA is genetic. That is not
              taking responsibility 1: For what contributed to homosexuality in our
              upbringing and 2: What we can do to overcome it.

              Honestly, that is the most defeating thing I have heard.

              And speaking from an ex-gay perspective - Yes, it is harder to
              overcome in today's social environment. There are so many presures
              saying that it is okay. I work for an EXTREMELY LARGE corporation
              and everyone took a manager's assesment survey. In the survey it
              actually asked if we considered ourselves heterosexual, bi-sexual,
              homosexual or transgendered. They are catering their company
              policies to meet the needs of their employess. It is very hard to
              be a Christian and maintain Christian moral standards - espcially
              those surrounding sexuality in such liberal arenas. If you are
              overweight, you can talk to the girls about your new diet. If your
              are an ex-gay you struggle silently - even within some churches as
              you have noted in previous posts- and you wait to get around
              supportive people. So struggling with weight and SSA are entirely
              different. Struggling with SSA is very hard in this society. People
              are always saying it is okay. I had to actually leave one of my
              offices today because a lesbian was visiting and I just could not
              stay there. Very hard.




              --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Bridget Night"
              <BridgetNight123@h...> wrote:
              > Someone on one of my other groups brought up this question: "I was
              just wondering, in your opinion, do you think it would have been
              easier to overcome SSA back when it was not as accepted as it is now,
              or now, when there is so much more help, I would guess, with
              reparative therapy and all the books on change? "
              >
              >
              > Here is how I answered it:
              >
              > That is a very interesting question you brought up. I had not
              thought about that before. I know from talking to my son and others
              who have rejected God and the church, that they are more inclined to
              pursue a homosexual relationship because they have the belief that
              gays are becoming much more accepted and even idolized by shows like
              the "Queer Eye." Schools, and Universities are becoming very
              accepting and now with politics, states, and even Christian churches
              accepting gay marriages, and homosexuality as just fine, gives them
              even more hope. From talking to my customers and many other people
              including relatives, I have found many to have bought the line that
              you are born this way and cannot change. Oprah and Dr. Phil, who do
              great things in many areas and are considered rational, educated good
              people, have promoted this belief. Because it is so difficult to
              overcome and I know of many who have sincerely tried to overcome it
              and have not succeeded, can tend to believe that as well. I really
              liked Dr. Throckmortons article to Dr. Phil on this.
              >
              > I would like to make an analogy here. I have always had to struggle
              with not being overweight most of my life. I was not over weight
              until the last 10 years, since reaching menopause and having a
              thyroid problem. Since then, it has been very difficult and I am 50
              pounds over weight for my height and age. I know my genetics pre-
              dispose me to obesity. When you read the serenity prayer about
              accepting the things you cannot change, and changing the things you
              can, I consider my issue and this SSA issue. There have been times
              that I just felt like giving up on controlling my appetite and
              accepting my fat. But, then I get the consequences of overeating, and
              not watching what I eat. So, no matter whether I am limited by
              genetics, or lack of self-discipline the fact remains that FAT is
              not beautiful or healthy and I should continue to do the best I can
              to overcome it. Similarly, even if there is a genetic factor to
              having SSA, and/or a brokeness involved, we should never stop
              enlisting the help of God and any tools he sends us to overcome our
              problem.
              >
              > Bridget
              >
              > So, how would you all answer this?
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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