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  • Janet Hensley
    Sunshine: Please don t leave here angry or hurt, we love you and want to help you. One person s offense should not deter you from the companionship of others
    Message 1 of 21 , Jun 6, 2003
      Sunshine:
      Please don't leave here angry or hurt, we love you and want to help you. One
      person's offense should not deter you from the companionship of others who
      have been where you are. Some of us have less tact than others but please be
      a forgiving spirit we desire to see things work for you.

      Janet
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "sunshinegirl_902" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:13 AM
      Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


      > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
      > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
      > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
      > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
      > people off to christians.
      > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
      > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
      > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
      > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
      > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
      > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
      > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
      > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
      > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
      >
      > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
      > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
      > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
      > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
      > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
      > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
      > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
      > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
      > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
      > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
      >
      > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
      > alot to me.
      > God bless
      >
      >
      > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
      > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
      > > Sunshine:
      > >
      > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
      > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
      > Ozborne's
      > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
      > advise
      > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
      > get a
      > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
      > ARE A
      > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
      > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
      > > children protected from you!
      > >
      > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
      > your
      > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
      > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
      > with
      > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
      > every
      > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
      > from
      > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
      > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
      > husband and
      > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
      > thing
      > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
      > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
      > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
      > wrecker!
      > >
      > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
      > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
      > that you
      > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
      > to
      > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
      > out
      > > of your promiscuous ways!
      > >
      > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
      > and
      > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
      > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
      > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
      > your
      > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
      > already
      > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
      > and
      > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
      > not
      > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
      > children
      > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
      > expose
      > > your children with what you are doing!
      > >
      > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
      > up
      > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
      > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
      > one
      > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
      > Your
      > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
      > lifestyle and
      > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
      > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
      > >
      > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
      > of the
      > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
      > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
      > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
      > > already have.
      > >
      > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
      > your
      > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
      > out
      > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
      > and to
      > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
      > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
      > them so
      > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
      > selfish,
      > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
      > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
      > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
      > >
      > > Hello,
      > >
      > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
      > same
      > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
      > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
      > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
      > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
      > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
      > and
      > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
      > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
      > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
      > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
      > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
      > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
      > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
      > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
      > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
      > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
      > had
      > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
      > could
      > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
      > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
      > to
      > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
      > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
      > I
      > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
      > love
      > > him and think he is a great father.
      > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
      > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
      > on
      > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
      > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
      > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
      > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
      > > Thank you
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
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    • Bridget Night
      Hi Sunshinegirl, Anyone with a name like that can t be all bad! Thank you for responding, and not just taking off from this group. I know that only God can see
      Message 2 of 21 , Jun 6, 2003
        Hi Sunshinegirl,

        Anyone with a name like that can't be all bad! Thank you for responding, and not just taking off from this group. I know that only God can see the degree of difficulty each of us have had to deal with in life. And only HE can truly see our hearts and judge. The thought hit me this morning as I was watching my toddler granddaughter; God sees each of us like toddlers. Watch them fall and stumble over and over but they don't give up. They keep trying until they can walk. But they need our guidance and encouragement. We are toddlers just trying to figure life out and how things work and God knows how ignorant we are. Many of us are broken and abused from our childhoods. So, the question is "Why would God allow his children to come into homes where he knows they would be hurt and abused?" Would you allow your own children to be put into homes that you knew the people would abuse them? So, why does God? My husband answered that so beautifully I thought. He said, "Because He knew the damage could be reversed. Through the atonement of Jesus Christ he can reverse our damage. But, this life is for stumbling and learning experiences. Because of free agency we will make a lot of mistakes, and hopefully learn, but when we come to Christ and accept His atoning sacrifice, the hurt and the damage can be reversed." I pray for you and your family for a healing.

        God bless Bridget.
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: sunshinegirl_902
        To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:13 AM
        Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


        I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
        Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
        all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
        don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
        people off to christians.
        I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
        all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
        made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
        marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
        year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
        know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
        about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
        just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
        was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.

        I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
        with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
        things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
        matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
        we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
        of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
        molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
        different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
        who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
        lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.

        Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
        alot to me.
        God bless


        --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
        <rstuart@s...> wrote:
        > Sunshine:
        >
        > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
        > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
        Ozborne's
        > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
        advise
        > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
        get a
        > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
        ARE A
        > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
        > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
        > children protected from you!
        >
        > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
        your
        > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
        > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
        with
        > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
        every
        > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
        from
        > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
        > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
        husband and
        > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
        thing
        > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
        > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
        > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
        wrecker!
        >
        > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
        > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
        that you
        > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
        to
        > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
        out
        > of your promiscuous ways!
        >
        > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
        and
        > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
        > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
        > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
        your
        > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
        already
        > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
        and
        > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
        not
        > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
        children
        > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
        expose
        > your children with what you are doing!
        >
        > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
        up
        > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
        > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
        one
        > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
        Your
        > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
        lifestyle and
        > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
        > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
        >
        > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
        of the
        > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
        > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
        > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
        > already have.
        >
        > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
        your
        > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
        out
        > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
        and to
        > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
        > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
        them so
        > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
        selfish,
        > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
        > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
        > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
        >
        > Hello,
        >
        > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
        same
        > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
        > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
        > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
        > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
        > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
        and
        > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
        > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
        > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
        > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
        > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
        > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
        > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
        > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
        > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
        > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
        had
        > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
        could
        > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
        > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
        to
        > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
        > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
        I
        > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
        love
        > him and think he is a great father.
        > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
        > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
        on
        > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
        > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
        > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
        > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
        > Thank you
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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      • Rebecca Davidson
        Excellent Stephen - AMEN! -Rebecca ... === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier.
        Message 3 of 21 , Jun 6, 2003
          Excellent Stephen - AMEN! -Rebecca


          --- Stephen Modawell <smod1@...> wrote:
          > Sunshine... Great post... way to speak your heart
          > without destroying
          > people!!!!! I looked several times today for this
          > post... I could see
          > where a couple of people refered to it... but I
          > never saw it on the
          > list.... ???
          >
          > You sound like a very strong lady... I believe...
          > speaking from
          > experience... that if a husband does not take care
          > of the emotional
          > needs of his wife... she will seek out other ways to
          > meet those needs
          > or way to deaden the pain..... my wife reached out
          > to others during
          > our marriage, but I think it was because I was not
          > the husband that I
          > needed to be and Satan took full avatange of her
          > saddenes and
          > loneliness!!
          >
          > Hang in there.... I think we are going to see God do
          > some mighty
          > things in your life!
          >
          > a Grace-full Brother!
          >
          > Stephen
          >
          >
          > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com,
          > sunshinegirl_902
          > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
          > > I will come back later and post more but for now
          > all I have to say
          > is
          > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you
          > really don't know me
          > and
          > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here
          > for help cause I
          > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of
          > person that turns
          > > people off to christians.
          > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole
          > life and have loved
          > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not
          > leaving because he
          > had
          > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and
          > I worked on the
          > > marriage. I have been going through alot of
          > emotional stuff the
          > last
          > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry
          > about my kids.
          > They
          > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If
          > I didn't care
          > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to
          > be with them I
          > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they
          > deserve that is why
          > I
          > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it
          > offended you.
          > >
          > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I
          > got in over my
          > head
          > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because
          > of many of the
          > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't
          > really love me..no
          > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall
          > built up..that is why
          > > we had seperated before. I am working on that
          > too...I also have
          > alot
          > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out
          > women-- abuse,
          > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs,
          > abandoned me at
          > > different times. I am not making excuses but I
          > know it helped shape
          > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got
          > tied up with taht
          > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
          > >
          > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and
          > understanding...it
          > means
          > > alot to me.
          > > God bless
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com,
          > "Roger Stuart"
          > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
          > > > Sunshine:
          > > >
          > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I
          > thought Ozzie Ozborne
          > was
          > > > having family problems until I read your mail.
          > You make the
          > > Ozborne's
          > > > look like a decent family! If I was your
          > husband's friend, I'd
          > > advise
          > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town
          > with the kids
          > and
          > > get a
          > > > court order for you to you away from them until
          > they turn 18.
          > YOU
          > > ARE A
          > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR
          > HUSBAND AS WELL AS
          > YOUR
          > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who
          > needs to have
          > your
          > > > children protected from you!
          > > >
          > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual
          > ways close to and
          > into
          > > your
          > > > home and have been that way since the beginning.
          > You are screwing
          > up
          > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because
          > you want to lez
          > out
          > > with
          > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your
          > husband already has
          > > every
          > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must
          > to protect your
          > kids
          > > from
          > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your
          > kids! You are the
          > one
          > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating
          > hell for your
          > > husband and
          > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to
          > me that the best
          > > thing
          > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in
          > their lives at
          > least
          > > > until they become adults themselves. You put
          > your jealousy of
          > other
          > > > women before your own family! You're being
          > nothing a home
          > > wrecker!
          > > >
          > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your
          > lesbian ways or
          > leave
          > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the
          > emotional damage
          > > that you
          > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your
          > choice! Remain
          > faithful
          > > to
          > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're
          > of age to make
          > sense
          > > out
          > > > of your promiscuous ways!
          > > >
          > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright
          > appalled at your
          > stupidity
          > > and
          > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would
          > do anything to
          > have
          > > > children who love me and a spouse who
          > understands my conflicting
          > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my
          > spouse to put up
          > with
          > > your
          > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what
          > diseases you've
          > > already
          > > > contracted and are dragging back to your
          > husband? I find it sick
          > > and
          > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a
          > mental hospital,
          >
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        • sunshinegirl_902
          Thank you all for your words and your support. I don t think there are any excuses for what I have done. I am already hating myself and feeling sick with
          Message 4 of 21 , Jun 7, 2003
            Thank you all for your words and your support. I don't think there
            are any excuses for what I have done. I am already hating myself and
            feeling sick with myself. I have always thought I was strong and have
            never let anything bring me down or take me over...well I let her and
            that lifestyle take me over for awhile. There are things my husband
            did that would of made some woman walk away from them but that was
            before and I see the changes in him and I am trying to change too..we
            both are dedicating our lives to the Lord now.
            I feel like I am digging my way out. I don't feel hopeless. I have
            some people in my life who have never turned their back on me and
            have prayed for me and it has helped tremendously.

            When I first read Rogers response- to be honest- I started
            crying..cried most of the morning..I felt attacked but then started
            to think that some of what he said was true. I have always had a low
            self image of myself anyway...I told a christian friend what he wrote
            and she said...would Jesus of talked like that to you?..if not..don't
            listen...
            I do think I am a good mom. I have never left the kids and have not
            involved them in my lifestyle. They always had a home and either mom
            and dad were here..even when we seperated we still lived together.
            Most of this stuff happened last year. It was 2 moths ago that I
            thought I really wanted to be with her. I went back and forth for a
            couple of weeks in my mind..not in her bed and his bed. I didn't
            sleep with either of them casue I knew my head was messed up.
            I feel like I am defending myself again..and there are no excuses.
            the bottom line is..I know I have problems. I have struggled with ssa
            most of my life. I know I love my family. I know I love the Lord..and
            I know I will be ok..I just am impatient and I want it to happen now.
            Thanks to all..God bless


            --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Modawell"
            <smod1@y...> wrote:
            > Sunshine... Great post... way to speak your heart without
            destroying
            > people!!!!! I looked several times today for this post... I could
            see
            > where a couple of people refered to it... but I never saw it on the
            > list.... ???
            >
            > You sound like a very strong lady... I believe... speaking from
            > experience... that if a husband does not take care of the emotional
            > needs of his wife... she will seek out other ways to meet those
            needs
            > or way to deaden the pain..... my wife reached out to others during
            > our marriage, but I think it was because I was not the husband that
            I
            > needed to be and Satan took full avatange of her saddenes and
            > loneliness!!
            >
            > Hang in there.... I think we are going to see God do some mighty
            > things in your life!
            >
            > a Grace-full Brother!
            >
            > Stephen
            >
            >
            > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, sunshinegirl_902
            > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
            > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to
            say
            > is
            > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me
            > and
            > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
            > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
            > > people off to christians.
            > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have
            loved
            > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he
            > had
            > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on
            the
            > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the
            > last
            > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids.
            > They
            > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
            > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
            > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is
            why
            > I
            > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
            > >
            > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my
            > head
            > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
            > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
            > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is
            why
            > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have
            > alot
            > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
            > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
            > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped
            shape
            > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
            > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
            > >
            > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it
            > means
            > > alot to me.
            > > God bless
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
            > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
            > > > Sunshine:
            > > >
            > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne
            > was
            > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
            > > Ozborne's
            > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
            > > advise
            > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids
            > and
            > > get a
            > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18.
            > YOU
            > > ARE A
            > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS
            > YOUR
            > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have
            > your
            > > > children protected from you!
            > > >
            > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and
            > into
            > > your
            > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are
            screwing
            > up
            > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez
            > out
            > > with
            > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already
            has
            > > every
            > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your
            > kids
            > > from
            > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the
            > one
            > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
            > > husband and
            > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
            > > thing
            > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at
            > least
            > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of
            > other
            > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
            > > wrecker!
            > > >
            > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or
            > leave
            > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
            > > that you
            > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain
            > faithful
            > > to
            > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make
            > sense
            > > out
            > > > of your promiscuous ways!
            > > >
            > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your
            > stupidity
            > > and
            > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to
            > have
            > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
            > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up
            > with
            > > your
            > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
            > > already
            > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it
            sick
            > > and
            > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital,
            > but
            > > not
            > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
            > > children
            > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
            > > expose
            > > > your children with what you are doing!
            > > >
            > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for
            > putting
            > > up
            > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use
            some
            > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the
            only
            > > one
            > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other
            women.
            > > Your
            > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
            > > lifestyle and
            > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
            > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
            > > >
            > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get
            out
            > > of the
            > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
            > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
            > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world
            than
            > we
            > > > already have.
            > > >
            > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent
            of
            > > your
            > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or
            > get
            > > out
            > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your
            family,
            > > and to
            > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent
            > and
            > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
            > > them so
            > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
            > > selfish,
            > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
            > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
            > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
            > > >
            > > > Hello,
            > > >
            > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
            > > same
            > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my
            parents
            > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have
            > been
            > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago
            we
            > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I
            am
            > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went
            there
            > > and
            > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and
            I
            > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she
            > loved
            > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him
            > and
            > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here.
            About
            > a
            > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could
            > not
            > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
            > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other
            gay
            > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
            > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that
            I
            > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what
            we
            > > had
            > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
            > > could
            > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2
            > months
            > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I
            > had
            > > to
            > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing
            but
            > I
            > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for
            > women...Can
            > > I
            > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I
            do
            > > love
            > > > him and think he is a great father.
            > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife
            > and
            > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still
            planning
            > > on
            > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be
            talking..I
            > am
            > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
            > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
            > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
            > > > Thank you
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • Rebecca Davidson
            Hi Sunshinegirl, I m so glad to see that you re sticking with us. It s great to see that you do love your kids and that you didn t expose them to whatever you
            Message 5 of 21 , Jun 8, 2003
              Hi Sunshinegirl,

              I'm so glad to see that you're sticking with us. It's
              great to see that you do love your kids and that you
              didn't expose them to whatever you were involved in.
              You seem to really want to repent of this. So what's
              your plan now? You know Satan has his plan laid out
              for you. I could be wrong, but I don't think these
              lesbo desires you have are going to go away anytime
              soon. You stated, "I have struggled with ssa most of
              my life. I know I love my family. I know I love the
              Lord..and I know I will be ok..I just am impatient
              and I want it to happen now." If you truly have been
              struggling most of your life with this, then you're
              going to have to do some work - therapy, looking at
              your past, support group, accountable person...all
              that not so fun stuff...and lots of praying! And
              that's just your stuff...and then you got the husband
              issues too! So I think you need a plan. I sure hope
              you are sharing all this with your husband and that
              the both of you can forgive each other and move on
              seeking the Lord together - kinda sounds like that's
              happening? Have you thought about seeing a christian
              counselor? DID YOU CHECK OUT THOSE RESOURCES YET!
              You know I shout this with love Sunshinegirl. If you
              need help finding help let me know.

              With His Love, Rebecca


              --- sunshinegirl_902 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
              > Thank you all for your words and your support. I
              > don't think there
              > are any excuses for what I have done. I am already
              > hating myself and
              > feeling sick with myself. I have always thought I
              > was strong and have
              > never let anything bring me down or take me
              > over...well I let her and
              > that lifestyle take me over for awhile. There are
              > things my husband
              > did that would of made some woman walk away from
              > them but that was
              > before and I see the changes in him and I am trying
              > to change too..we
              > both are dedicating our lives to the Lord now.
              > I feel like I am digging my way out. I don't feel
              > hopeless. I have
              > some people in my life who have never turned their
              > back on me and
              > have prayed for me and it has helped tremendously.
              >
              > When I first read Rogers response- to be honest- I
              > started
              > crying..cried most of the morning..I felt attacked
              > but then started
              > to think that some of what he said was true. I have
              > always had a low
              > self image of myself anyway...I told a christian
              > friend what he wrote
              > and she said...would Jesus of talked like that to
              > you?..if not..don't
              > listen...
              > I do think I am a good mom. I have never left the
              > kids and have not
              > involved them in my lifestyle. They always had a
              > home and either mom
              > and dad were here..even when we seperated we still
              > lived together.
              > Most of this stuff happened last year. It was 2
              > moths ago that I
              > thought I really wanted to be with her. I went back
              > and forth for a
              > couple of weeks in my mind..not in her bed and his
              > bed. I didn't
              > sleep with either of them casue I knew my head was
              > messed up.
              > I feel like I am defending myself again..and there
              > are no excuses.
              > the bottom line is..I know I have problems. I have
              > struggled with ssa
              > most of my life. I know I love my family. I know I
              > love the Lord..and
              > I know I will be ok..I just am impatient and I want
              > it to happen now.
              > Thanks to all..God bless
              >
              >
              > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com,
              > "Stephen Modawell"
              > <smod1@y...> wrote:
              > > Sunshine... Great post... way to speak your heart
              > without
              > destroying
              > > people!!!!! I looked several times today for this
              > post... I could
              > see
              > > where a couple of people refered to it... but I
              > never saw it on the
              > > list.... ???
              > >
              > > You sound like a very strong lady... I believe...
              > speaking from
              > > experience... that if a husband does not take care
              > of the emotional
              > > needs of his wife... she will seek out other ways
              > to meet those
              > needs
              > > or way to deaden the pain..... my wife reached out
              > to others during
              > > our marriage, but I think it was because I was not
              > the husband that
              > I
              > > needed to be and Satan took full avatange of her
              > saddenes and
              > > loneliness!!
              > >
              > > Hang in there.... I think we are going to see God
              > do some mighty
              > > things in your life!
              > >
              > > a Grace-full Brother!
              > >
              > > Stephen
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com,
              > sunshinegirl_902
              > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
              > > > I will come back later and post more but for now
              > all I have to
              > say
              > > is
              > > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you
              > really don't know me
              > > and
              > > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here
              > for help cause I
              > > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of
              > person that turns
              > > > people off to christians.
              > > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole
              > life and have
              > loved
              > > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not
              > leaving because he
              > > had
              > > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left
              > and I worked on
              > the
              > > > marriage. I have been going through alot of
              > emotional stuff the
              > > last
              > > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry
              > about my kids.
              > > They
              > > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure.
              > If I didn't care
              > > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want
              > to be with them I
              > > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they
              > deserve that is
              > why
              > > I
              > > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it
              > offended you.
              > > >
              > > > I have had no contact with her since last week.
              > I got in over my
              > > head
              > > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because
              > of many of the
              > > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't
              > really love me..no
              > > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall
              > built up..that is
              > why
              > > > we had seperated before. I am working on that
              > too...I also have
              > > alot
              > > > of things from my child hood that make me seek
              > out women-- abuse,
              > > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs,
              > abandoned me at
              > > > different times. I am not making excuses but I
              > know it helped
              > shape
              > > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got
              > tied up with taht
              > > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
              > > >
              > > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and
              > understanding...it
              > > means
              > > > alot to me.
              > > > God bless
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com,
              > "Roger Stuart"
              > > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
              > > > > Sunshine:
              > > > >
              > > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I
              > thought Ozzie Ozborne
              > > was
              > > > > having family problems until I read your mail.
              > You make the
              > > > Ozborne's
              > > > > look like a decent family! If I was your
              > husband's friend, I'd
              > > > advise
              > > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of
              > town with the kids
              > > and
              > > > get a
              > > > > court order for you to you away from them
              > until they turn 18.
              > > YOU
              > > > ARE A
              > > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR
              > HUSBAND AS WELL AS
              > > YOUR
              > > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual
              > who needs to have
              > > your
              > > > > children protected from you!
              > > > >
              > > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual
              > ways close to and
              > > into
              > > > your
              >
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            • tcn1
              From TCN1: Be assured sunshine girl, it is happening now. The changes you are seeking are already underway. Goodness and mercy are following you--and will
              Message 6 of 21 , Jun 8, 2003
                From TCN1: Be assured sunshine girl, it is happening now. The changes you are seeking are already underway. Goodness and mercy are following you--and will follow you all the days of your life.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: sunshinegirl_902

                ..I just am impatient and I want it to happen now.
                Thanks to all..God bless


                ---

                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Roger Stuart
                Sunshine: I m sorry I climbed on you so hard. I can see that you re trying. I m really glad to see that you re hanging in there and you re working with your
                Message 7 of 21 , Jun 9, 2003
                  Sunshine:

                  I'm sorry I climbed on you so hard. I can see that you're trying.
                  I'm really glad to see that you're hanging in there and you're
                  working with your husband to get things together. Your first posts
                  sounded like you were more annoyed with the consequences of sin than
                  sin itself. I'm also glad to hear that you've shielded your kids
                  from your sin. Your post seemed that you didn't care for your family
                  and that made me angry. I'm sorry for upsetting you.


                  --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, sunshinegirl_902
                  <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                  > Thank you all for your words and your support. I don't think there
                  > are any excuses for what I have done. I am already hating myself
                  and
                  > feeling sick with myself. I have always thought I was strong and
                  have
                  > never let anything bring me down or take me over...well I let her
                  and
                  > that lifestyle take me over for awhile. There are things my husband
                  > did that would of made some woman walk away from them but that was
                  > before and I see the changes in him and I am trying to change
                  too..we
                  > both are dedicating our lives to the Lord now.
                  > I feel like I am digging my way out. I don't feel hopeless. I have
                  > some people in my life who have never turned their back on me and
                  > have prayed for me and it has helped tremendously.
                  >
                  > When I first read Rogers response- to be honest- I started
                  > crying..cried most of the morning..I felt attacked but then started
                  > to think that some of what he said was true. I have always had a
                  low
                  > self image of myself anyway...I told a christian friend what he
                  wrote
                  > and she said...would Jesus of talked like that to you?..if
                  not..don't
                  > listen...
                  > I do think I am a good mom. I have never left the kids and have not
                  > involved them in my lifestyle. They always had a home and either
                  mom
                  > and dad were here..even when we seperated we still lived together.
                  > Most of this stuff happened last year. It was 2 moths ago that I
                  > thought I really wanted to be with her. I went back and forth for a
                  > couple of weeks in my mind..not in her bed and his bed. I didn't
                  > sleep with either of them casue I knew my head was messed up.
                  > I feel like I am defending myself again..and there are no excuses.
                  > the bottom line is..I know I have problems. I have struggled with
                  ssa
                  > most of my life. I know I love my family. I know I love the
                  Lord..and
                  > I know I will be ok..I just am impatient and I want it to happen
                  now.
                  > Thanks to all..God bless
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Modawell"
                  > <smod1@y...> wrote:
                  > > Sunshine... Great post... way to speak your heart without
                  > destroying
                  > > people!!!!! I looked several times today for this post... I could
                  > see
                  > > where a couple of people refered to it... but I never saw it on
                  the
                  > > list.... ???
                  > >
                  > > You sound like a very strong lady... I believe... speaking from
                  > > experience... that if a husband does not take care of the
                  emotional
                  > > needs of his wife... she will seek out other ways to meet those
                  > needs
                  > > or way to deaden the pain..... my wife reached out to others
                  during
                  > > our marriage, but I think it was because I was not the husband
                  that
                  > I
                  > > needed to be and Satan took full avatange of her saddenes and
                  > > loneliness!!
                  > >
                  > > Hang in there.... I think we are going to see God do some mighty
                  > > things in your life!
                  > >
                  > > a Grace-full Brother!
                  > >
                  > > Stephen
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, sunshinegirl_902
                  > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                  > > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to
                  > say
                  > > is
                  > > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know
                  me
                  > > and
                  > > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause
                  I
                  > > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that
                  turns
                  > > > people off to christians.
                  > > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have
                  > loved
                  > > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because
                  he
                  > > had
                  > > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on
                  > the
                  > > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the
                  > > last
                  > > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids.
                  > > They
                  > > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't
                  care
                  > > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them
                  I
                  > > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is
                  > why
                  > > I
                  > > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                  > > >
                  > > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over
                  my
                  > > head
                  > > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                  > > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love
                  me..no
                  > > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is
                  > why
                  > > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have
                  > > alot
                  > > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women--
                  abuse,
                  > > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me
                  at
                  > > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped
                  > shape
                  > > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with
                  taht
                  > > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it
                  > > means
                  > > > alot to me.
                  > > > God bless
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                  > > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                  > > > > Sunshine:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie
                  Ozborne
                  > > was
                  > > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                  > > > Ozborne's
                  > > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend,
                  I'd
                  > > > advise
                  > > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the
                  kids
                  > > and
                  > > > get a
                  > > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn
                  18.
                  > > YOU
                  > > > ARE A
                  > > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL
                  AS
                  > > YOUR
                  > > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to
                  have
                  > > your
                  > > > > children protected from you!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to
                  and
                  > > into
                  > > > your
                  > > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are
                  > screwing
                  > > up
                  > > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to
                  lez
                  > > out
                  > > > with
                  > > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already
                  > has
                  > > > every
                  > > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect
                  your
                  > > kids
                  > > > from
                  > > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are
                  the
                  > > one
                  > > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                  > > > husband and
                  > > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the
                  best
                  > > > thing
                  > > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives
                  at
                  > > least
                  > > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy
                  of
                  > > other
                  > > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                  > > > wrecker!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways
                  or
                  > > leave
                  > > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional
                  damage
                  > > > that you
                  > > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain
                  > > faithful
                  > > > to
                  > > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make
                  > > sense
                  > > > out
                  > > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your
                  > > stupidity
                  > > > and
                  > > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything
                  to
                  > > have
                  > > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my
                  conflicting
                  > > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put
                  up
                  > > with
                  > > > your
                  > > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases
                  you've
                  > > > already
                  > > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it
                  > sick
                  > > > and
                  > > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental
                  hospital,
                  > > but
                  > > > not
                  > > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                  > > > children
                  > > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who
                  would
                  > > > expose
                  > > > > your children with what you are doing!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for
                  > > putting
                  > > > up
                  > > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use
                  > some
                  > > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the
                  > only
                  > > > one
                  > > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other
                  > women.
                  > > > Your
                  > > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                  > > > lifestyle and
                  > > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                  > > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get
                  > out
                  > > > of the
                  > > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense
                  of
                  > > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                  > > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world
                  > than
                  > > we
                  > > > > already have.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either
                  repent
                  > of
                  > > > your
                  > > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family,
                  or
                  > > get
                  > > > out
                  > > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your
                  > family,
                  > > > and to
                  > > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ.
                  Repent
                  > > and
                  > > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children,
                  leave
                  > > > them so
                  > > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                  > > > selfish,
                  > > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                  > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                  > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Hello,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to
                  the
                  > > > same
                  > > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my
                  > parents
                  > > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have
                  > > been
                  > > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs
                  ago
                  > we
                  > > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I
                  > am
                  > > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went
                  > there
                  > > > and
                  > > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad
                  and
                  > I
                  > > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she
                  > > loved
                  > > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between
                  him
                  > > and
                  > > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here.
                  > About
                  > > a
                  > > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I
                  could
                  > > not
                  > > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                  > > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other
                  > gay
                  > > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                  > > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here
                  that
                  > I
                  > > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what
                  > we
                  > > > had
                  > > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said
                  we
                  > > > could
                  > > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2
                  > > months
                  > > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao
                  I
                  > > had
                  > > > to
                  > > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing
                  > but
                  > > I
                  > > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for
                  > > women...Can
                  > > > I
                  > > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I
                  > do
                  > > > love
                  > > > > him and think he is a great father.
                  > > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good
                  wife
                  > > and
                  > > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still
                  > planning
                  > > > on
                  > > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be
                  > talking..I
                  > > am
                  > > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with
                  my
                  > > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                  > > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                  > > > > Thank you
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • Janet Hensley
                  The truth is not repulsive Roger, this is not what we are so shocked by. It is your delivery of that truth. An attitude can turn one off from listening to very
                  Message 8 of 21 , Jun 10, 2003
                    The truth is not repulsive Roger, this is not what we are so shocked by. It
                    is your delivery of that truth. An attitude can turn one off from listening
                    to very valuable information and that is not showing the love of sin. When
                    warning someone of the cliff they may be about to go over I don't believe
                    you would point out so many errors which they made prior to telling them
                    STOP!! It would have been far more acceptable had you shouted STOP!! at
                    Sunshine than to beat her with what she had already confessed.

                    I believe she was still too new to our group to be confronted so
                    mercilessly. I am very glad she did stay but I believe it was due to the
                    love shown her by others that caused this.

                    Janet
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                    To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                    Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


                    > Sunshine:
                    > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could care
                    > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to anyone.
                    > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into hell
                    > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn you
                    > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and you're
                    > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away from
                    > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If not,
                    > then what's the difference?
                    > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain about
                    > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all. Every
                    > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been downright
                    > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make excuses for
                    > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem with you
                    > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a pig in
                    > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences. So why
                    > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go have
                    > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't like it
                    > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his grace and
                    > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath. Christians
                    > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way you're
                    > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids? You
                    > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                    > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin and
                    > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from it
                    > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus gave for
                    > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or another. If
                    > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there are
                    > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in vain.
                    > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                    > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise. Like
                    > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he showed
                    > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                    > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have been in
                    > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to him, on
                    > his terms.
                    > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do I need
                    > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly self
                    > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of your
                    > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your admittance
                    > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your sorrow
                    > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                    > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is completely up
                    > to you.
                    > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of hope, but
                    > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your differences
                    > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to repent,
                    > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the new
                    > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a popularity
                    > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                    > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak for
                    > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but that's the
                    > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't for
                    > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only question: Are
                    > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                    > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                    > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all too
                    > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember that
                    > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing most
                    > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                    > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he snatched
                    > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                    > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm more
                    > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to "judge"
                    > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you off?
                    > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can do it
                    > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you here.
                    > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk with the
                    > Lord. It isn't easy.
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                    > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                    > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                    >
                    > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
                    > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
                    > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                    > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                    > people off to christians.
                    > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                    > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
                    > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                    > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
                    > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
                    > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                    > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                    > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
                    > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                    >
                    > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
                    > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                    > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                    > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
                    > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
                    > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                    > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                    > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
                    > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                    > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                    >
                    > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
                    > alot to me.
                    > God bless
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                    > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                    > > Sunshine:
                    > >
                    > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
                    > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                    > Ozborne's
                    > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                    > advise
                    > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
                    > get a
                    > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
                    > ARE A
                    > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
                    > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
                    > > children protected from you!
                    > >
                    > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
                    > your
                    > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
                    > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
                    > with
                    > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                    > every
                    > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
                    > from
                    > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
                    > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                    > husband and
                    > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                    > thing
                    > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
                    > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
                    > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                    > wrecker!
                    > >
                    > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
                    > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                    > that you
                    > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
                    > to
                    > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
                    > out
                    > > of your promiscuous ways!
                    > >
                    > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
                    > and
                    > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
                    > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                    > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
                    > your
                    > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                    > already
                    > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
                    > and
                    > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
                    > not
                    > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                    > children
                    > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                    > expose
                    > > your children with what you are doing!
                    > >
                    > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
                    > up
                    > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
                    > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
                    > one
                    > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                    > Your
                    > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                    > lifestyle and
                    > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                    > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                    > >
                    > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
                    > of the
                    > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                    > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                    > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
                    > > already have.
                    > >
                    > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
                    > your
                    > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
                    > out
                    > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
                    > and to
                    > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
                    > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                    > them so
                    > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                    > selfish,
                    > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                    > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                    > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                    > >
                    > > Hello,
                    > >
                    > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                    > same
                    > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
                    > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
                    > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
                    > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                    > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
                    > and
                    > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
                    > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
                    > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
                    > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
                    > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
                    > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                    > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                    > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                    > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
                    > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                    > had
                    > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                    > could
                    > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
                    > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
                    > to
                    > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
                    > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
                    > I
                    > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                    > love
                    > > him and think he is a great father.
                    > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
                    > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
                    > on
                    > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
                    > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                    > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                    > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                    > > Thank you
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                  • Janet Hensley
                    Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful. Too much salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus promised. Believe
                    Message 9 of 21 , Jun 10, 2003
                      Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful. Too much
                      salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus promised.
                      Believe me I speak to myself as well for I once sounded more like you Roger.
                      You are correct that the church is too soft today but there is a happy
                      medium, a balance if you will.

                      Janet
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                      To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                      Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


                      > Sunshine:
                      > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could care
                      > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to anyone.
                      > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into hell
                      > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn you
                      > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and you're
                      > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away from
                      > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If not,
                      > then what's the difference?
                      > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain about
                      > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all. Every
                      > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been downright
                      > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make excuses for
                      > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem with you
                      > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a pig in
                      > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences. So why
                      > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go have
                      > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't like it
                      > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his grace and
                      > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath. Christians
                      > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way you're
                      > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids? You
                      > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                      > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin and
                      > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from it
                      > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus gave for
                      > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or another. If
                      > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there are
                      > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in vain.
                      > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                      > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise. Like
                      > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he showed
                      > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                      > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have been in
                      > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to him, on
                      > his terms.
                      > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do I need
                      > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly self
                      > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of your
                      > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your admittance
                      > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your sorrow
                      > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                      > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is completely up
                      > to you.
                      > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of hope, but
                      > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your differences
                      > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to repent,
                      > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the new
                      > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a popularity
                      > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                      > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak for
                      > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but that's the
                      > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't for
                      > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only question: Are
                      > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                      > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                      > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all too
                      > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember that
                      > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing most
                      > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                      > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he snatched
                      > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                      > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm more
                      > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to "judge"
                      > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you off?
                      > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can do it
                      > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you here.
                      > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk with the
                      > Lord. It isn't easy.
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                      > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                      > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                      >
                      > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
                      > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
                      > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                      > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                      > people off to christians.
                      > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                      > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
                      > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                      > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
                      > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
                      > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                      > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                      > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
                      > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                      >
                      > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
                      > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                      > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                      > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
                      > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
                      > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                      > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                      > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
                      > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                      > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                      >
                      > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
                      > alot to me.
                      > God bless
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                      > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                      > > Sunshine:
                      > >
                      > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
                      > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                      > Ozborne's
                      > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                      > advise
                      > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
                      > get a
                      > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
                      > ARE A
                      > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
                      > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
                      > > children protected from you!
                      > >
                      > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
                      > your
                      > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
                      > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
                      > with
                      > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                      > every
                      > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
                      > from
                      > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
                      > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                      > husband and
                      > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                      > thing
                      > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
                      > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
                      > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                      > wrecker!
                      > >
                      > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
                      > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                      > that you
                      > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
                      > to
                      > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
                      > out
                      > > of your promiscuous ways!
                      > >
                      > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
                      > and
                      > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
                      > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                      > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
                      > your
                      > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                      > already
                      > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
                      > and
                      > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
                      > not
                      > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                      > children
                      > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                      > expose
                      > > your children with what you are doing!
                      > >
                      > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
                      > up
                      > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
                      > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
                      > one
                      > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                      > Your
                      > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                      > lifestyle and
                      > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                      > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                      > >
                      > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
                      > of the
                      > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                      > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                      > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
                      > > already have.
                      > >
                      > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
                      > your
                      > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
                      > out
                      > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
                      > and to
                      > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
                      > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                      > them so
                      > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                      > selfish,
                      > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                      > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                      > >
                      > > Hello,
                      > >
                      > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                      > same
                      > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
                      > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
                      > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
                      > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                      > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
                      > and
                      > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
                      > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
                      > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
                      > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
                      > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
                      > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                      > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                      > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                      > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
                      > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                      > had
                      > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                      > could
                      > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
                      > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
                      > to
                      > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
                      > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
                      > I
                      > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                      > love
                      > > him and think he is a great father.
                      > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
                      > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
                      > on
                      > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
                      > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                      > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                      > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                      > > Thank you
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                    • Bridget Night
                      AMEN TO THAT, Janet!! I believe there is a scripture that says there are times when moved upon by the Holy Spirit to admonish sharply (like we do at times with
                      Message 10 of 21 , Jun 10, 2003
                        AMEN TO THAT, Janet!! I believe there is a scripture that says there are
                        times when moved upon by the Holy Spirit to admonish sharply (like we do at
                        times with our kids) but then afterwards to show forth an increase of love
                        so they don't esteem as thy enemy.

                        Bridget

                        >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                        >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                        >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:01:22 -0400
                        >
                        >The truth is not repulsive Roger, this is not what we are so shocked by. It
                        >is your delivery of that truth. An attitude can turn one off from listening
                        >to very valuable information and that is not showing the love of sin. When
                        >warning someone of the cliff they may be about to go over I don't believe
                        >you would point out so many errors which they made prior to telling them
                        >STOP!! It would have been far more acceptable had you shouted STOP!! at
                        >Sunshine than to beat her with what she had already confessed.
                        >
                        >I believe she was still too new to our group to be confronted so
                        >mercilessly. I am very glad she did stay but I believe it was due to the
                        >love shown her by others that caused this.
                        >
                        >Janet
                        >----- Original Message -----
                        >From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                        >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                        >Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                        >
                        >
                        > > Sunshine:
                        > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could care
                        > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to anyone.
                        > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into hell
                        > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn you
                        > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and you're
                        > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away from
                        > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If not,
                        > > then what's the difference?
                        > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain about
                        > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all. Every
                        > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been downright
                        > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make excuses for
                        > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem with you
                        > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a pig in
                        > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences. So why
                        > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go have
                        > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't like it
                        > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his grace and
                        > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath. Christians
                        > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way you're
                        > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids? You
                        > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                        > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin and
                        > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from it
                        > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus gave for
                        > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or another. If
                        > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there are
                        > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in vain.
                        > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                        > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise. Like
                        > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he showed
                        > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                        > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have been in
                        > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to him, on
                        > > his terms.
                        > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do I need
                        > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly self
                        > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of your
                        > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your admittance
                        > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your sorrow
                        > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                        > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is completely up
                        > > to you.
                        > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of hope, but
                        > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your differences
                        > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to repent,
                        > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the new
                        > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a popularity
                        > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                        > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak for
                        > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but that's the
                        > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't for
                        > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only question: Are
                        > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                        > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                        > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all too
                        > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember that
                        > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing most
                        > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                        > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he snatched
                        > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                        > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm more
                        > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to "judge"
                        > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you off?
                        > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can do it
                        > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you here.
                        > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk with the
                        > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                        > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                        > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                        > >
                        > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
                        > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
                        > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                        > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                        > > people off to christians.
                        > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                        > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
                        > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                        > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
                        > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
                        > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                        > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                        > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
                        > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                        > >
                        > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
                        > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                        > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                        > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
                        > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
                        > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                        > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                        > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
                        > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                        > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                        > >
                        > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
                        > > alot to me.
                        > > God bless
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                        > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                        > > > Sunshine:
                        > > >
                        > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
                        > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                        > > Ozborne's
                        > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                        > > advise
                        > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
                        > > get a
                        > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
                        > > ARE A
                        > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
                        > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
                        > > > children protected from you!
                        > > >
                        > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
                        > > your
                        > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
                        > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
                        > > with
                        > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                        > > every
                        > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
                        > > from
                        > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
                        > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                        > > husband and
                        > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                        > > thing
                        > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
                        > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
                        > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                        > > wrecker!
                        > > >
                        > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
                        > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                        > > that you
                        > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
                        > > to
                        > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
                        > > out
                        > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                        > > >
                        > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
                        > > and
                        > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
                        > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                        > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
                        > > your
                        > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                        > > already
                        > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
                        > > and
                        > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
                        > > not
                        > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                        > > children
                        > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                        > > expose
                        > > > your children with what you are doing!
                        > > >
                        > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
                        > > up
                        > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
                        > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
                        > > one
                        > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                        > > Your
                        > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                        > > lifestyle and
                        > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                        > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                        > > >
                        > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
                        > > of the
                        > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                        > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                        > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
                        > > > already have.
                        > > >
                        > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
                        > > your
                        > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
                        > > out
                        > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
                        > > and to
                        > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
                        > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                        > > them so
                        > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                        > > selfish,
                        > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                        > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                        > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                        > > >
                        > > > Hello,
                        > > >
                        > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                        > > same
                        > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
                        > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
                        > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
                        > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                        > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
                        > > and
                        > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
                        > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
                        > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
                        > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
                        > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
                        > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                        > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                        > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                        > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
                        > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                        > > had
                        > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                        > > could
                        > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
                        > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
                        > > to
                        > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
                        > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
                        > > I
                        > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                        > > love
                        > > > him and think he is a great father.
                        > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
                        > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
                        > > on
                        > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
                        > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                        > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                        > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                        > > > Thank you
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                        Janet, you are one of the wisest women I have met on these sites. I admire the balance you sense is needed in situations. Bridget ...
                        Message 11 of 21 , Jun 10, 2003
                          Janet, you are one of the wisest women I have met on these sites. I admire
                          the balance you sense is needed in situations. Bridget


                          >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                          >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                          >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                          >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                          >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:04:20 -0400
                          >
                          >Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful. Too much
                          >salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus promised.
                          >Believe me I speak to myself as well for I once sounded more like you
                          >Roger.
                          >You are correct that the church is too soft today but there is a happy
                          >medium, a balance if you will.
                          >
                          >Janet
                          >----- Original Message -----
                          >From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                          >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                          >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                          >Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                          >
                          >
                          > > Sunshine:
                          > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could care
                          > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to anyone.
                          > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into hell
                          > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn you
                          > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and you're
                          > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away from
                          > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If not,
                          > > then what's the difference?
                          > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain about
                          > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all. Every
                          > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been downright
                          > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make excuses for
                          > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem with you
                          > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a pig in
                          > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences. So why
                          > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go have
                          > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't like it
                          > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his grace and
                          > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath. Christians
                          > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way you're
                          > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids? You
                          > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                          > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin and
                          > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from it
                          > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus gave for
                          > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or another. If
                          > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there are
                          > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in vain.
                          > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                          > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise. Like
                          > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he showed
                          > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                          > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have been in
                          > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to him, on
                          > > his terms.
                          > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do I need
                          > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly self
                          > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of your
                          > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your admittance
                          > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your sorrow
                          > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                          > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is completely up
                          > > to you.
                          > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of hope, but
                          > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your differences
                          > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to repent,
                          > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the new
                          > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a popularity
                          > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                          > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak for
                          > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but that's the
                          > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't for
                          > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only question: Are
                          > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                          > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                          > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all too
                          > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember that
                          > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing most
                          > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                          > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he snatched
                          > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                          > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm more
                          > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to "judge"
                          > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you off?
                          > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can do it
                          > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you here.
                          > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk with the
                          > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                          > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                          > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                          > >
                          > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
                          > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
                          > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                          > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                          > > people off to christians.
                          > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                          > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
                          > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                          > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
                          > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
                          > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                          > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                          > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
                          > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                          > >
                          > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
                          > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                          > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                          > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
                          > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
                          > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                          > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                          > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
                          > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                          > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                          > >
                          > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
                          > > alot to me.
                          > > God bless
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                          > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                          > > > Sunshine:
                          > > >
                          > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
                          > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                          > > Ozborne's
                          > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                          > > advise
                          > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
                          > > get a
                          > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
                          > > ARE A
                          > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
                          > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
                          > > > children protected from you!
                          > > >
                          > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
                          > > your
                          > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
                          > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
                          > > with
                          > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                          > > every
                          > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
                          > > from
                          > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
                          > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                          > > husband and
                          > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                          > > thing
                          > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
                          > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
                          > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                          > > wrecker!
                          > > >
                          > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
                          > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                          > > that you
                          > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
                          > > to
                          > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
                          > > out
                          > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                          > > >
                          > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
                          > > and
                          > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
                          > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                          > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
                          > > your
                          > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                          > > already
                          > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
                          > > and
                          > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
                          > > not
                          > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                          > > children
                          > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                          > > expose
                          > > > your children with what you are doing!
                          > > >
                          > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
                          > > up
                          > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
                          > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
                          > > one
                          > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                          > > Your
                          > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                          > > lifestyle and
                          > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                          > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                          > > >
                          > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
                          > > of the
                          > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                          > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                          > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
                          > > > already have.
                          > > >
                          > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
                          > > your
                          > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
                          > > out
                          > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
                          > > and to
                          > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
                          > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                          > > them so
                          > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                          > > selfish,
                          > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                          > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                          > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                          > > >
                          > > > Hello,
                          > > >
                          > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                          > > same
                          > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
                          > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
                          > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
                          > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                          > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
                          > > and
                          > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
                          > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
                          > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
                          > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
                          > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
                          > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                          > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                          > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                          > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
                          > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                          > > had
                          > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                          > > could
                          > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
                          > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
                          > > to
                          > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
                          > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
                          > > I
                          > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                          > > love
                          > > > him and think he is a great father.
                          > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
                          > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
                          > > on
                          > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
                          > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                          > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                          > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                          > > > Thank you
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                          Thank you very much Bridget often though I get bombarded with the new thinking of political correctness which goes over the line. You are also a very warm
                          Message 12 of 21 , Jun 10, 2003
                            Thank you very much Bridget often though I get bombarded with the new
                            thinking of political correctness which goes over the line.

                            You are also a very warm caring person when you write to others and wisdom
                            is no stranger to you either. I signed up to bring a chapter of PFOX up here
                            where I live in NH due to what you wrote on it once.

                            Janet
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Bridget Night" <BridgetNight123@...>
                            To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:11 PM
                            Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


                            > Janet, you are one of the wisest women I have met on these sites. I admire
                            > the balance you sense is needed in situations. Bridget
                            >
                            >
                            > >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                            > >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                            > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                            > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                            > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:04:20 -0400
                            > >
                            > >Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful. Too
                            much
                            > >salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus promised.
                            > >Believe me I speak to myself as well for I once sounded more like you
                            > >Roger.
                            > >You are correct that the church is too soft today but there is a happy
                            > >medium, a balance if you will.
                            > >
                            > >Janet
                            > >----- Original Message -----
                            > >From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                            > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                            > >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                            > >Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > Sunshine:
                            > > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could care
                            > > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to
                            anyone.
                            > > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into hell
                            > > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn you
                            > > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and you're
                            > > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away from
                            > > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If not,
                            > > > then what's the difference?
                            > > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain about
                            > > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all. Every
                            > > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been
                            downright
                            > > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make excuses
                            for
                            > > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem with
                            you
                            > > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a pig
                            in
                            > > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences. So
                            why
                            > > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go have
                            > > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't like
                            it
                            > > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his grace
                            and
                            > > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath. Christians
                            > > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way you're
                            > > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids? You
                            > > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                            > > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin and
                            > > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from it
                            > > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus gave
                            for
                            > > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or another.
                            If
                            > > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there are
                            > > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in
                            vain.
                            > > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                            > > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise. Like
                            > > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he showed
                            > > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                            > > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have been
                            in
                            > > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to him,
                            on
                            > > > his terms.
                            > > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do I
                            need
                            > > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly self
                            > > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of your
                            > > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your
                            admittance
                            > > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your sorrow
                            > > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                            > > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is completely up
                            > > > to you.
                            > > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of hope,
                            but
                            > > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your
                            differences
                            > > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to repent,
                            > > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the new
                            > > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a popularity
                            > > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                            > > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak for
                            > > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but that's
                            the
                            > > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't for
                            > > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only question:
                            Are
                            > > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                            > > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                            > > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all too
                            > > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember
                            that
                            > > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing most
                            > > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                            > > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he snatched
                            > > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                            > > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm more
                            > > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to "judge"
                            > > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you off?
                            > > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can do
                            it
                            > > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you here.
                            > > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk with
                            the
                            > > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                            > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                            > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                            > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                            > > >
                            > > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say is
                            > > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me and
                            > > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                            > > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                            > > > people off to christians.
                            > > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                            > > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he had
                            > > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                            > > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
                            > > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
                            > > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                            > > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                            > > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why I
                            > > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                            > > >
                            > > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my head
                            > > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                            > > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                            > > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
                            > > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
                            > > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                            > > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                            > > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
                            > > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                            > > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it means
                            > > > alot to me.
                            > > > God bless
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                            > > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                            > > > > Sunshine:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne was
                            > > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                            > > > Ozborne's
                            > > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                            > > > advise
                            > > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
                            > > > get a
                            > > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
                            > > > ARE A
                            > > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS YOUR
                            > > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have your
                            > > > > children protected from you!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and into
                            > > > your
                            > > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing up
                            > > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez out
                            > > > with
                            > > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                            > > > every
                            > > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your kids
                            > > > from
                            > > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the one
                            > > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                            > > > husband and
                            > > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                            > > > thing
                            > > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at least
                            > > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of other
                            > > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                            > > > wrecker!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or leave
                            > > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                            > > > that you
                            > > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain faithful
                            > > > to
                            > > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make sense
                            > > > out
                            > > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your stupidity
                            > > > and
                            > > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to have
                            > > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                            > > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up with
                            > > > your
                            > > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                            > > > already
                            > > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
                            > > > and
                            > > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
                            > > > not
                            > > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                            > > > children
                            > > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                            > > > expose
                            > > > > your children with what you are doing!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
                            > > > up
                            > > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
                            > > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
                            > > > one
                            > > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                            > > > Your
                            > > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                            > > > lifestyle and
                            > > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                            > > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
                            > > > of the
                            > > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                            > > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                            > > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than we
                            > > > > already have.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
                            > > > your
                            > > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
                            > > > out
                            > > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
                            > > > and to
                            > > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent and
                            > > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                            > > > them so
                            > > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                            > > > selfish,
                            > > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                            > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                            > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Hello,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                            > > > same
                            > > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
                            > > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
                            > > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
                            > > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                            > > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
                            > > > and
                            > > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
                            > > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she loved
                            > > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
                            > > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About a
                            > > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could not
                            > > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                            > > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                            > > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                            > > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
                            > > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                            > > > had
                            > > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                            > > > could
                            > > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
                            > > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
                            > > > to
                            > > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but I
                            > > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
                            > > > I
                            > > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                            > > > love
                            > > > > him and think he is a great father.
                            > > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife and
                            > > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
                            > > > on
                            > > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I am
                            > > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                            > > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                            > > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                            > > > > Thank you
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
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                          • sunshinegirl_902
                            I didn t see this response down below from Roger...but it doesn t matter anyway. I didn t come to this group so I could continue ot relish in my sin. I came
                            Message 13 of 21 , Jun 10, 2003
                              I didn't see this response down below from Roger...but it doesn't
                              matter anyway.
                              I didn't come to this group so I could continue ot relish in my sin.
                              I came for help. I knew I couldn't do this on my own...and I wanted
                              some support.
                              I have been taking any thought I have of her and dismissing it. I am
                              reading the Word every day and I come to my support groups for some
                              help and fellowship.
                              I am not as bad a person as you may think Roger.
                              and I am changing for the better...day by day..

                              Thanks to those who have prayed and encouraged me.
                              God bless

                              --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Hensley"
                              <saltnlight@n...> wrote:
                              > The truth is not repulsive Roger, this is not what we are so
                              shocked by. It
                              > is your delivery of that truth. An attitude can turn one off from
                              listening
                              > to very valuable information and that is not showing the love of
                              sin. When
                              > warning someone of the cliff they may be about to go over I don't
                              believe
                              > you would point out so many errors which they made prior to telling
                              them
                              > STOP!! It would have been far more acceptable had you shouted
                              STOP!! at
                              > Sunshine than to beat her with what she had already confessed.
                              >
                              > I believe she was still too new to our group to be confronted so
                              > mercilessly. I am very glad she did stay but I believe it was due
                              to the
                              > love shown her by others that caused this.
                              >
                              > Janet
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@s...>
                              > To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                              > Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                              >
                              >
                              > > Sunshine:
                              > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could
                              care
                              > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to
                              anyone.
                              > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into
                              hell
                              > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn
                              you
                              > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and
                              you're
                              > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away
                              from
                              > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If
                              not,
                              > > then what's the difference?
                              > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain
                              about
                              > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all.
                              Every
                              > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been
                              downright
                              > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make
                              excuses for
                              > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem
                              with you
                              > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a
                              pig in
                              > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences.
                              So why
                              > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go
                              have
                              > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't
                              like it
                              > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his
                              grace and
                              > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath.
                              Christians
                              > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way
                              you're
                              > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids?
                              You
                              > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                              > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin
                              and
                              > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away
                              from it
                              > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus
                              gave for
                              > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or
                              another. If
                              > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there
                              are
                              > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in
                              vain.
                              > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                              > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise.
                              Like
                              > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he
                              showed
                              > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                              > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have
                              been in
                              > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to
                              him, on
                              > > his terms.
                              > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do
                              I need
                              > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly
                              self
                              > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of
                              your
                              > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your
                              admittance
                              > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your
                              sorrow
                              > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                              > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is
                              completely up
                              > > to you.
                              > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of
                              hope, but
                              > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your
                              differences
                              > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to
                              repent,
                              > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the
                              new
                              > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a
                              popularity
                              > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                              > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak
                              for
                              > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but
                              that's the
                              > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't
                              for
                              > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only
                              question: Are
                              > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                              > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                              > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are
                              all too
                              > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just
                              remember that
                              > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing
                              most
                              > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                              > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he
                              snatched
                              > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                              > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm
                              more
                              > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right
                              to "judge"
                              > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you
                              off?
                              > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else
                              can do it
                              > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you
                              here.
                              > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk
                              with the
                              > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                            • Bridget Night
                              Cool, Janet, you are so cool. Thanks for the compliment and for letting me know about PFOX. We all need regular feedback when we are having an influence for
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                                Cool, Janet, you are so cool. Thanks for the compliment and for letting me
                                know about PFOX. We all need regular feedback when we are having an
                                influence for good. Bridget



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                                >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                                >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:08:57 -0400
                                >
                                >Thank you very much Bridget often though I get bombarded with the new
                                >thinking of political correctness which goes over the line.
                                >
                                >You are also a very warm caring person when you write to others and wisdom
                                >is no stranger to you either. I signed up to bring a chapter of PFOX up
                                >here
                                >where I live in NH due to what you wrote on it once.
                                >
                                >Janet
                                >----- Original Message -----
                                >From: "Bridget Night" <BridgetNight123@...>
                                >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:11 PM
                                >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                >
                                >
                                > > Janet, you are one of the wisest women I have met on these sites. I
                                >admire
                                > > the balance you sense is needed in situations. Bridget
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                                > > >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                > > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                > > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:04:20 -0400
                                > > >
                                > > >Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful. Too
                                >much
                                > > >salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus
                                >promised.
                                > > >Believe me I speak to myself as well for I once sounded more like you
                                > > >Roger.
                                > > >You are correct that the church is too soft today but there is a happy
                                > > >medium, a balance if you will.
                                > > >
                                > > >Janet
                                > > >----- Original Message -----
                                > > >From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                                > > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                                > > >Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > Sunshine:
                                > > > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could
                                >care
                                > > > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to
                                >anyone.
                                > > > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into
                                >hell
                                > > > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn you
                                > > > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and
                                >you're
                                > > > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away
                                >from
                                > > > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If not,
                                > > > > then what's the difference?
                                > > > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain
                                >about
                                > > > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all.
                                >Every
                                > > > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been
                                >downright
                                > > > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make excuses
                                >for
                                > > > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem with
                                >you
                                > > > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a pig
                                >in
                                > > > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences. So
                                >why
                                > > > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go
                                >have
                                > > > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't like
                                >it
                                > > > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his grace
                                >and
                                > > > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath. Christians
                                > > > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way you're
                                > > > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids? You
                                > > > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                                > > > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin
                                >and
                                > > > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from
                                >it
                                > > > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus gave
                                >for
                                > > > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or another.
                                >If
                                > > > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there
                                >are
                                > > > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in
                                >vain.
                                > > > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                                > > > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise.
                                >Like
                                > > > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he showed
                                > > > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                                > > > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have been
                                >in
                                > > > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to him,
                                >on
                                > > > > his terms.
                                > > > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do I
                                >need
                                > > > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly
                                >self
                                > > > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of
                                >your
                                > > > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your
                                >admittance
                                > > > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your
                                >sorrow
                                > > > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                                > > > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is completely
                                >up
                                > > > > to you.
                                > > > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of hope,
                                >but
                                > > > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your
                                >differences
                                > > > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to repent,
                                > > > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the new
                                > > > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a
                                >popularity
                                > > > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                                > > > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak for
                                > > > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but that's
                                >the
                                > > > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't for
                                > > > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only question:
                                >Are
                                > > > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                                > > > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                                > > > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all
                                >too
                                > > > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember
                                >that
                                > > > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing
                                >most
                                > > > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                                > > > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he
                                >snatched
                                > > > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                                > > > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm more
                                > > > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to "judge"
                                > > > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you off?
                                > > > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can
                                >do
                                >it
                                > > > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you
                                >here.
                                > > > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk with
                                >the
                                > > > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                                > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                                > > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                                > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say
                                >is
                                > > > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me
                                >and
                                > > > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                                > > > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                                > > > > people off to christians.
                                > > > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                                > > > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he
                                >had
                                > > > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                                > > > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the last
                                > > > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids. They
                                > > > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                                > > > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                                > > > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is why
                                >I
                                > > > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my
                                >head
                                > > > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                                > > > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                                > > > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is why
                                > > > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have alot
                                > > > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                                > > > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                                > > > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped shape
                                > > > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                                > > > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it
                                >means
                                > > > > alot to me.
                                > > > > God bless
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                                > > > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                                > > > > > Sunshine:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne
                                >was
                                > > > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                                > > > > Ozborne's
                                > > > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                                > > > > advise
                                > > > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids and
                                > > > > get a
                                > > > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18. YOU
                                > > > > ARE A
                                > > > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS
                                >YOUR
                                > > > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have
                                >your
                                > > > > > children protected from you!
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and
                                >into
                                > > > > your
                                > > > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are screwing
                                >up
                                > > > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez
                                >out
                                > > > > with
                                > > > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                                > > > > every
                                > > > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your
                                >kids
                                > > > > from
                                > > > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the
                                >one
                                > > > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                                > > > > husband and
                                > > > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                                > > > > thing
                                > > > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at
                                >least
                                > > > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of
                                >other
                                > > > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                                > > > > wrecker!
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or
                                >leave
                                > > > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                                > > > > that you
                                > > > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain
                                >faithful
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make
                                >sense
                                > > > > out
                                > > > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your
                                >stupidity
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to
                                >have
                                > > > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                                > > > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up
                                >with
                                > > > > your
                                > > > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                                > > > > already
                                > > > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it sick
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital, but
                                > > > > not
                                > > > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                                > > > > children
                                > > > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                                > > > > expose
                                > > > > > your children with what you are doing!
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for putting
                                > > > > up
                                > > > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use some
                                > > > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the only
                                > > > > one
                                > > > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                                > > > > Your
                                > > > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                                > > > > lifestyle and
                                > > > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                                > > > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get out
                                > > > > of the
                                > > > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                                > > > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                                > > > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than
                                >we
                                > > > > > already have.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent of
                                > > > > your
                                > > > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or get
                                > > > > out
                                > > > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your family,
                                > > > > and to
                                > > > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent
                                >and
                                > > > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                                > > > > them so
                                > > > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                                > > > > selfish,
                                > > > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                                > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                                > > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Hello,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                                > > > > same
                                > > > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my parents
                                > > > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have been
                                > > > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago we
                                > > > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                                > > > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went there
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and I
                                > > > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she
                                >loved
                                > > > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him and
                                > > > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here. About
                                >a
                                > > > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could
                                >not
                                > > > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                                > > > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                                > > > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                                > > > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that I
                                > > > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                                > > > > had
                                > > > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                                > > > > could
                                > > > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2 months
                                > > > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I had
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing but
                                >I
                                > > > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for women...Can
                                > > > > I
                                > > > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                                > > > > love
                                > > > > > him and think he is a great father.
                                > > > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife
                                >and
                                > > > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still planning
                                > > > > on
                                > > > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I
                                >am
                                > > > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                                > > > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                                > > > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                                > > > > > Thank you
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
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                                My dear Bridget: Thank you again for the compliment but I pray that you will hear what I have to say to you even more clear than anything else I have said.
                                Message 15 of 21 , Jun 11, 2003
                                  My dear Bridget:

                                  Thank you again for the compliment but I pray that you will hear what I have
                                  to say to you even more clear than anything else I have said. Believe me
                                  when I say what I say here, my intent is not to hurt you but rather to open
                                  your eyes

                                  Mormonism is a cult because of how they see Jesus. They believe Jesus to be
                                  the half brother of Satan but this is not possible. Satan is a created being
                                  just as the other angels and us. Jesus is the Son of God, the second person
                                  of the trinity and He is the Word by whom all things were created and are
                                  held in place.

                                  Jesus is God just as the Holy Spirit is God. The trinity is eternal past
                                  present and future and had no creator. God is and that is all.

                                  Our finite minds do not fully understand this but that is what is said about
                                  the matter in the Holy Bible. There is no holy undergarments and we will
                                  never be gods. Please get aquainted with the one true God and Savior. We can
                                  help you by answering your questions and loving you through this

                                  Janet
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Bridget Night" <BridgetNight123@...>
                                  To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:53 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


                                  > Cool, Janet, you are so cool. Thanks for the compliment and for letting me
                                  > know about PFOX. We all need regular feedback when we are having an
                                  > influence for good. Bridget
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > www.1stbooks.com/bookview/12053
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                                  > >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                  > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:08:57 -0400
                                  > >
                                  > >Thank you very much Bridget often though I get bombarded with the new
                                  > >thinking of political correctness which goes over the line.
                                  > >
                                  > >You are also a very warm caring person when you write to others and
                                  wisdom
                                  > >is no stranger to you either. I signed up to bring a chapter of PFOX up
                                  > >here
                                  > >where I live in NH due to what you wrote on it once.
                                  > >
                                  > >Janet
                                  > >----- Original Message -----
                                  > >From: "Bridget Night" <BridgetNight123@...>
                                  > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:11 PM
                                  > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > Janet, you are one of the wisest women I have met on these sites. I
                                  > >admire
                                  > > > the balance you sense is needed in situations. Bridget
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                                  > > > >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                  > > > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:04:20 -0400
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful.
                                  Too
                                  > >much
                                  > > > >salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus
                                  > >promised.
                                  > > > >Believe me I speak to myself as well for I once sounded more like you
                                  > > > >Roger.
                                  > > > >You are correct that the church is too soft today but there is a
                                  happy
                                  > > > >medium, a balance if you will.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >Janet
                                  > > > >----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > >From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                                  > > > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                                  > > > >Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > > Sunshine:
                                  > > > > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could
                                  > >care
                                  > > > > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to
                                  > >anyone.
                                  > > > > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into
                                  > >hell
                                  > > > > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn
                                  you
                                  > > > > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and
                                  > >you're
                                  > > > > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away
                                  > >from
                                  > > > > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If
                                  not,
                                  > > > > > then what's the difference?
                                  > > > > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain
                                  > >about
                                  > > > > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all.
                                  > >Every
                                  > > > > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been
                                  > >downright
                                  > > > > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make
                                  excuses
                                  > >for
                                  > > > > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem
                                  with
                                  > >you
                                  > > > > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a
                                  pig
                                  > >in
                                  > > > > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences.
                                  So
                                  > >why
                                  > > > > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go
                                  > >have
                                  > > > > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't
                                  like
                                  > >it
                                  > > > > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his
                                  grace
                                  > >and
                                  > > > > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath.
                                  Christians
                                  > > > > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way
                                  you're
                                  > > > > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids?
                                  You
                                  > > > > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                                  > > > > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin
                                  > >and
                                  > > > > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from
                                  > >it
                                  > > > > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus
                                  gave
                                  > >for
                                  > > > > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or
                                  another.
                                  > >If
                                  > > > > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there
                                  > >are
                                  > > > > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in
                                  > >vain.
                                  > > > > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                                  > > > > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise.
                                  > >Like
                                  > > > > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he
                                  showed
                                  > > > > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                                  > > > > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have
                                  been
                                  > >in
                                  > > > > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to
                                  him,
                                  > >on
                                  > > > > > his terms.
                                  > > > > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do
                                  I
                                  > >need
                                  > > > > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly
                                  > >self
                                  > > > > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of
                                  > >your
                                  > > > > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your
                                  > >admittance
                                  > > > > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your
                                  > >sorrow
                                  > > > > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                                  > > > > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is
                                  completely
                                  > >up
                                  > > > > > to you.
                                  > > > > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of
                                  hope,
                                  > >but
                                  > > > > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your
                                  > >differences
                                  > > > > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to
                                  repent,
                                  > > > > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the
                                  new
                                  > > > > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a
                                  > >popularity
                                  > > > > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                                  > > > > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak
                                  for
                                  > > > > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but
                                  that's
                                  > >the
                                  > > > > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't
                                  for
                                  > > > > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only
                                  question:
                                  > >Are
                                  > > > > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                                  > > > > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                                  > > > > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all
                                  > >too
                                  > > > > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember
                                  > >that
                                  > > > > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing
                                  > >most
                                  > > > > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                                  > > > > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he
                                  > >snatched
                                  > > > > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                                  > > > > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm
                                  more
                                  > > > > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to
                                  "judge"
                                  > > > > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you
                                  off?
                                  > > > > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can
                                  > >do
                                  > >it
                                  > > > > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you
                                  > >here.
                                  > > > > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk
                                  with
                                  > >the
                                  > > > > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                                  > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                                  > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                                  > > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say
                                  > >is
                                  > > > > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me
                                  > >and
                                  > > > > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                                  > > > > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                                  > > > > > people off to christians.
                                  > > > > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                                  > > > > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he
                                  > >had
                                  > > > > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                                  > > > > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the
                                  last
                                  > > > > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids.
                                  They
                                  > > > > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                                  > > > > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                                  > > > > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is
                                  why
                                  > >I
                                  > > > > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my
                                  > >head
                                  > > > > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                                  > > > > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                                  > > > > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is
                                  why
                                  > > > > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have
                                  alot
                                  > > > > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                                  > > > > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                                  > > > > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped
                                  shape
                                  > > > > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                                  > > > > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it
                                  > >means
                                  > > > > > alot to me.
                                  > > > > > God bless
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                                  > > > > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > Sunshine:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne
                                  > >was
                                  > > > > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                                  > > > > > Ozborne's
                                  > > > > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                                  > > > > > advise
                                  > > > > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids
                                  and
                                  > > > > > get a
                                  > > > > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18.
                                  YOU
                                  > > > > > ARE A
                                  > > > > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS
                                  > >YOUR
                                  > > > > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have
                                  > >your
                                  > > > > > > children protected from you!
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and
                                  > >into
                                  > > > > > your
                                  > > > > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are
                                  screwing
                                  > >up
                                  > > > > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez
                                  > >out
                                  > > > > > with
                                  > > > > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                                  > > > > > every
                                  > > > > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your
                                  > >kids
                                  > > > > > from
                                  > > > > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the
                                  > >one
                                  > > > > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                                  > > > > > husband and
                                  > > > > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                                  > > > > > thing
                                  > > > > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at
                                  > >least
                                  > > > > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of
                                  > >other
                                  > > > > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                                  > > > > > wrecker!
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or
                                  > >leave
                                  > > > > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                                  > > > > > that you
                                  > > > > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain
                                  > >faithful
                                  > > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make
                                  > >sense
                                  > > > > > out
                                  > > > > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your
                                  > >stupidity
                                  > > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to
                                  > >have
                                  > > > > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                                  > > > > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up
                                  > >with
                                  > > > > > your
                                  > > > > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                                  > > > > > already
                                  > > > > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it
                                  sick
                                  > > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital,
                                  but
                                  > > > > > not
                                  > > > > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                                  > > > > > children
                                  > > > > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                                  > > > > > expose
                                  > > > > > > your children with what you are doing!
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for
                                  putting
                                  > > > > > up
                                  > > > > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use
                                  some
                                  > > > > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the
                                  only
                                  > > > > > one
                                  > > > > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                                  > > > > > Your
                                  > > > > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                                  > > > > > lifestyle and
                                  > > > > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                                  > > > > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get
                                  out
                                  > > > > > of the
                                  > > > > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                                  > > > > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                                  > > > > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than
                                  > >we
                                  > > > > > > already have.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent
                                  of
                                  > > > > > your
                                  > > > > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or
                                  get
                                  > > > > > out
                                  > > > > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your
                                  family,
                                  > > > > > and to
                                  > > > > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent
                                  > >and
                                  > > > > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                                  > > > > > them so
                                  > > > > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                                  > > > > > selfish,
                                  > > > > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                                  > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                                  > > > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Hello,
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                                  > > > > > same
                                  > > > > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my
                                  parents
                                  > > > > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have
                                  been
                                  > > > > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago
                                  we
                                  > > > > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                                  > > > > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went
                                  there
                                  > > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and
                                  I
                                  > > > > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she
                                  > >loved
                                  > > > > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him
                                  and
                                  > > > > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here.
                                  About
                                  > >a
                                  > > > > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could
                                  > >not
                                  > > > > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                                  > > > > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                                  > > > > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                                  > > > > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that
                                  I
                                  > > > > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                                  > > > > > had
                                  > > > > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                                  > > > > > could
                                  > > > > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2
                                  months
                                  > > > > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I
                                  had
                                  > > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > give the marriage a chance and that is what I have been doing
                                  but
                                  > >I
                                  > > > > > > also have been obsessing about her and my feelings for
                                  women...Can
                                  > > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > stay in a marriage to a man when my feelings are for women? I do
                                  > > > > > love
                                  > > > > > > him and think he is a great father.
                                  > > > > > > I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to be a good wife
                                  > >and
                                  > > > > > > mother. I don't want to talk to her but now she is still
                                  planning
                                  > > > > > on
                                  > > > > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I
                                  > >am
                                  > > > > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                                  > > > > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                                  > > > > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
                                  > > > > > > Thank you
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                  From TCN1 to Janet: Amen sister--and Bridget (and the other guy) I don t reject you ok? I just reject mormanism. ... From: Janet Hensley To:
                                  Message 16 of 21 , Jun 11, 2003
                                    From TCN1 to Janet: Amen sister--and Bridget (and the other guy) I don't reject you ok? I just reject mormanism.
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Janet Hensley
                                    To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:55 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


                                    My dear Bridget:

                                    Thank you again for the compliment but I pray that you will hear what I have
                                    to say to you even more clear than anything else I have said. Believe me
                                    when I say what I say here, my intent is not to hurt you but rather to open
                                    your eyes

                                    Mormonism is a cult because of how they see Jesus. They believe Jesus to be
                                    the half brother of Satan but this is not possible. Satan is a created being
                                    just as the other angels and us. Jesus is the Son of God, the second person
                                    of the trinity and He is the Word by whom all things were created and are
                                    held in place.

                                    Jesus is God just as the Holy Spirit is God. The trinity is eternal past
                                    present and future and had no creator. God is and that is all.

                                    Our finite minds do not fully understand this but that is what is said about
                                    the matter in the Holy Bible. There is no holy undergarments and we will
                                    never be gods. Please get aquainted with the one true God and Savior. We can
                                    help you by answering your questions and loving you through this

                                    Janet
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Bridget Night" <BridgetNight123@...>
                                    To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:53 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine


                                    > Cool, Janet, you are so cool. Thanks for the compliment and for letting me
                                    > know about PFOX. We all need regular feedback when we are having an
                                    > influence for good. Bridget
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > www.1stbooks.com/bookview/12053
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                                    > >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                    > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:08:57 -0400
                                    > >
                                    > >Thank you very much Bridget often though I get bombarded with the new
                                    > >thinking of political correctness which goes over the line.
                                    > >
                                    > >You are also a very warm caring person when you write to others and
                                    wisdom
                                    > >is no stranger to you either. I signed up to bring a chapter of PFOX up
                                    > >here
                                    > >where I live in NH due to what you wrote on it once.
                                    > >
                                    > >Janet
                                    > >----- Original Message -----
                                    > >From: "Bridget Night" <BridgetNight123@...>
                                    > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:11 PM
                                    > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > > Janet, you are one of the wisest women I have met on these sites. I
                                    > >admire
                                    > > > the balance you sense is needed in situations. Bridget
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > >From: "Janet Hensley" <saltnlight@...>
                                    > > > >Reply-To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > >Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                    > > > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:04:20 -0400
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >Even your statements here are very coarse and not at all merciful.
                                    Too
                                    > >much
                                    > > > >salt burns and causes more thirst not a satisfaction that Jesus
                                    > >promised.
                                    > > > >Believe me I speak to myself as well for I once sounded more like you
                                    > > > >Roger.
                                    > > > >You are correct that the church is too soft today but there is a
                                    happy
                                    > > > >medium, a balance if you will.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >Janet
                                    > > > >----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > >From: "Roger Stuart" <rstuart@...>
                                    > > > >To: <exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:32 PM
                                    > > > >Subject: RE: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Sunshine:
                                    > > > > > What matters is the truth and where you stand with God. I could
                                    > >care
                                    > > > > > less how offensive I sound or how repulsive the truth may be to
                                    > >anyone.
                                    > > > > > God is a lot more offensive than I ever am and throws people into
                                    > >hell
                                    > > > > > every day. Most people do not make it to heaven. So if I "turn
                                    you
                                    > > > > > off", it only shows that you love your sin more than Christ and
                                    > >you're
                                    > > > > > just here playing games with yourself. If I tell you to get away
                                    > >from
                                    > > > > > the cliff before you fall off, are you equally as offended? If
                                    not,
                                    > > > > > then what's the difference?
                                    > > > > > You surround yourself with excuses. All I see you do is complain
                                    > >about
                                    > > > > > the problems your sins cause. I see no sorrow for it at all.
                                    > >Every
                                    > > > > > excuse you claim, I can also claim, because my life has been
                                    > >downright
                                    > > > > > hard. I think everyone can say that here. But I don't make
                                    excuses
                                    > >for
                                    > > > > > my behavior. I call it sin, for that's what it is. My problem
                                    with
                                    > >you
                                    > > > > > is that you seem to relish in your sin, and you're as happy as a
                                    pig
                                    > >in
                                    > > > > > sewage over it. You only just seem annoyed at its consequences.
                                    So
                                    > >why
                                    > > > > > are you hanging around here? Either start your repentance or go
                                    > >have
                                    > > > > > yourself a blast. It will be fun while it lasts, but you won't
                                    like
                                    > >it
                                    > > > > > in the end. The choice is yours. We all know of God and his
                                    grace
                                    > >and
                                    > > > > > mercy. Yet he speaks much more of his anger and wrath.
                                    Christians
                                    > > > > > prefer to gloss over that part. You think God likes the way
                                    you're
                                    > > > > > behaving? You think God likes what you're doing to your kids?
                                    You
                                    > > > > > think you will somehow avoid the penalty of your unrepentence?
                                    > > > > > Regardless of what people think, or what's popular, God hates sin
                                    > >and
                                    > > > > > will deal with it most effectively. There is no getting away from
                                    > >it
                                    > > > > > and you've been warned. You can take the sacrifice that Jesus
                                    gave
                                    > >for
                                    > > > > > you or you can leave it. God will deal with it one way or
                                    another.
                                    > >If
                                    > > > > > you admit you are on the wrong road and admit you are lost, there
                                    > >are
                                    > > > > > several people to help you. But until then, their efforts are in
                                    > >vain.
                                    > > > > > People polish up the Gospel to make it inoffensive and unrepulsive
                                    > > > > > aren't doing the Lord any favors. The Lord does not compromise.
                                    > >Like
                                    > > > > > the woman at the well, or the harlot caught "in the act", he
                                    showed
                                    > > > > > mercy because he knew her repentance was forthcoming. But he also
                                    > > > > > warned her to "go and sin no more". If she did, she would have
                                    been
                                    > >in
                                    > > > > > deep trouble. God will show you grace and mercy if you come to
                                    him,
                                    > >on
                                    > > > > > his terms.
                                    > > > > > The problem is, I don't see any desire for repentance in you. Do
                                    I
                                    > >need
                                    > > > > > to know you to know that? No. Your presuppositions are clearly
                                    > >self
                                    > > > > > evident. All I see is that you're upset with the consequences of
                                    > >your
                                    > > > > > sin and the problems your unrepentence causes. Where's your
                                    > >admittance
                                    > > > > > what you're doing is even wrong? I don't see it. Where's your
                                    > >sorrow
                                    > > > > > for your sin? I don't see it. Either get serious about your
                                    > > > > > repentance, or go enjoy it while you can. The choice is
                                    completely
                                    > >up
                                    > > > > > to you.
                                    > > > > > Other Christians might entertain you and give you glimmers of
                                    hope,
                                    > >but
                                    > > > > > it is the Lord Jesus Himself who you need to reconcile your
                                    > >differences
                                    > > > > > with. Until you do that, you're lost. If you don't want to
                                    repent,
                                    > > > > > you're lost, you're not saved, and you're not going to like the
                                    new
                                    > > > > > neighborhood you're going to move to. Christianity isn't a
                                    > >popularity
                                    > > > > > contest. Some people are simply going to Hell. They can't be
                                    > > > > > converted, they are immune to the Gospel, and their fruits speak
                                    for
                                    > > > > > themselves. Now, that's not very popular or attractive, but
                                    that's
                                    > >the
                                    > > > > > way it is. So, if it bothers you or repulses you, then it isn't
                                    for
                                    > > > > > you. Make your choice and get on with your life. My only
                                    question:
                                    > >Are
                                    > > > > > you coming to Christ on his terms or not?
                                    > > > > > I'm showing you the side of Christianity that other Christians are
                                    > > > > > reluctant to show you. I'm sure there are plenty here who are all
                                    > >too
                                    > > > > > willing to baby and woo you into Jesus loving arms. Just remember
                                    > >that
                                    > > > > > while he loves some, and I mean a very remote few, he's throwing
                                    > >most
                                    > > > > > into eternal fire. He's very clear about what kind of people he
                                    > > > > > condemns, and we all fit the bill. Some of us he saved as he
                                    > >snatched
                                    > > > > > us from the inevitable. Some of us, he hasn't.
                                    > > > > > Is this a popular message? No, it's not. Is it the truth? I'm
                                    more
                                    > > > > > than willing to debate anyone on it. Do I have the right to
                                    "judge"
                                    > > > > > you? Yes. I'll debate that one too. Do I care if it turns you
                                    off?
                                    > > > > > Yes, I do, but it's a choice between you and God. Nobody else can
                                    > >do
                                    > >it
                                    > > > > > for you. It doesn't matter how many people feel sorry for you
                                    > >here.
                                    > > > > > Your life doesn't matter. You have to die to yourself and walk
                                    with
                                    > >the
                                    > > > > > Lord. It isn't easy.
                                    > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                                    > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:14 AM
                                    > > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Sunshine
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I will come back later and post more but for now all I have to say
                                    > >is
                                    > > > > > Roger you don't know the whole story and you really don't know me
                                    > >and
                                    > > > > > all I have gone through in my life. I came here for help cause I
                                    > > > > > don't want to be like this..YOu are the kind of person that turns
                                    > > > > > people off to christians.
                                    > > > > > I am 35 and have been with 3 partners my whole life and have loved
                                    > > > > > all 3. I am not promiscious. My husband is not leaving because he
                                    > >had
                                    > > > > > made many of his own mistakes and I never left and I worked on the
                                    > > > > > marriage. I have been going through alot of emotional stuff the
                                    last
                                    > > > > > year and my head is not on straight. Don't worry about my kids.
                                    They
                                    > > > > > know mom and dad love them and they are secure. If I didn't care
                                    > > > > > about the family I wouldn't be here..but I want to be with them I
                                    > > > > > just want to give tehm the wife and mother they deserve that is
                                    why
                                    > >I
                                    > > > > > was seeking out help for myself. Sorry if it offended you.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I have had no contact with her since last week. I got in over my
                                    > >head
                                    > > > > > with her. I wanted to feel loved..sorry..because of many of the
                                    > > > > > things my husband did I felt that he couldn't really love me..no
                                    > > > > > matter if he said he did or not. I Had a wall built up..that is
                                    why
                                    > > > > > we had seperated before. I am working on that too...I also have
                                    alot
                                    > > > > > of things from my child hood that make me seek out women-- abuse,
                                    > > > > > molestation, parents were alcoholics, did drugs, abandoned me at
                                    > > > > > different times. I am not making excuses but I know it helped
                                    shape
                                    > > > > > who I am...I don't do drugs, drink...but I got tied up with taht
                                    > > > > > lady..satan knew my weakness..and I feel for it.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Thanks to those who have been supportive and understanding...it
                                    > >means
                                    > > > > > alot to me.
                                    > > > > > God bless
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stuart"
                                    > > > > > <rstuart@s...> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > Sunshine:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I am going to give it to you straight. I thought Ozzie Ozborne
                                    > >was
                                    > > > > > > having family problems until I read your mail. You make the
                                    > > > > > Ozborne's
                                    > > > > > > look like a decent family! If I was your husband's friend, I'd
                                    > > > > > advise
                                    > > > > > > him to dump you like yesterday, move out of town with the kids
                                    and
                                    > > > > > get a
                                    > > > > > > court order for you to you away from them until they turn 18.
                                    YOU
                                    > > > > > ARE A
                                    > > > > > > PERNICIOUS, LYING, SELFISH, CHEATER TO YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL AS
                                    > >YOUR
                                    > > > > > > CHILDREN. You are one screwed up individual who needs to have
                                    > >your
                                    > > > > > > children protected from you!
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > You are bringing your promiscuous homosexual ways close to and
                                    > >into
                                    > > > > > your
                                    > > > > > > home and have been that way since the beginning. You are
                                    screwing
                                    > >up
                                    > > > > > > your husband's and your kids lives, all because you want to lez
                                    > >out
                                    > > > > > with
                                    > > > > > > another woman! According to Scripture, your husband already has
                                    > > > > > every
                                    > > > > > > reason enough to leave you and do what he must to protect your
                                    > >kids
                                    > > > > > from
                                    > > > > > > you! You are a psychological danger to your kids! You are the
                                    > >one
                                    > > > > > > ruining their lives! You are the one creating hell for your
                                    > > > > > husband and
                                    > > > > > > embarrassing your entire family. It sounds to me that the best
                                    > > > > > thing
                                    > > > > > > for them is to keep them away your influence in their lives at
                                    > >least
                                    > > > > > > until they become adults themselves. You put your jealousy of
                                    > >other
                                    > > > > > > women before your own family! You're being nothing a home
                                    > > > > > wrecker!
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Now, you should either repent of and drop your lesbian ways or
                                    > >leave
                                    > > > > > > your husband to raise your kids outside of the emotional damage
                                    > > > > > that you
                                    > > > > > > will otherwise inflict on them! It's your choice! Remain
                                    > >faithful
                                    > > > > > to
                                    > > > > > > your kids or leave them entirely until they're of age to make
                                    > >sense
                                    > > > > > out
                                    > > > > > > of your promiscuous ways!
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I deal with SSA myself and I'm downright appalled at your
                                    > >stupidity
                                    > > > > > and
                                    > > > > > > insensitivity towards your own family. I would do anything to
                                    > >have
                                    > > > > > > children who love me and a spouse who understands my conflicting
                                    > > > > > > desires. But I will be damned if I expect my spouse to put up
                                    > >with
                                    > > > > > your
                                    > > > > > > disgustingly open promiscuity! Who knows what diseases you've
                                    > > > > > already
                                    > > > > > > contracted and are dragging back to your husband? I find it
                                    sick
                                    > > > > > and
                                    > > > > > > appalling! You belong on the streets or in a mental hospital,
                                    but
                                    > > > > > not
                                    > > > > > > at a home where your perversity will emotionally damage your
                                    > > > > > children
                                    > > > > > > for life! There is nobody heterosexual or homosexual who would
                                    > > > > > expose
                                    > > > > > > your children with what you are doing!
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I'd really like to know what your husband's problem is for
                                    putting
                                    > > > > > up
                                    > > > > > > with such behavior on your part! It looks like he could use
                                    some
                                    > > > > > > guidance in raising your children. It appears that he's the
                                    only
                                    > > > > > one
                                    > > > > > > trying, while you compete for sex and jealousy with other women.
                                    > > > > > Your
                                    > > > > > > children have already been tainted by your openly perverse
                                    > > > > > lifestyle and
                                    > > > > > > it needs to stop NOW. Furthermore, your family needs to be in
                                    > > > > > > counseling to deal with the damage that you've already done.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > If you cannot control your sexual impulses, I suggest you get
                                    out
                                    > > > > > of the
                                    > > > > > > house and let your loving husband raise them with some sense of
                                    > > > > > > morality. Otherwise, you're only raising your children to be
                                    > > > > > > sociopaths. God knows, we don't need any more in the world than
                                    > >we
                                    > > > > > > already have.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > It's your choice. You can't have it both ways. Either repent
                                    of
                                    > > > > > your
                                    > > > > > > lesbian ways and devote yourself completely to your family, or
                                    get
                                    > > > > > out
                                    > > > > > > of their lives. You are a disgrace to your husband, your
                                    family,
                                    > > > > > and to
                                    > > > > > > God himself. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Repent
                                    > >and
                                    > > > > > > renounce your evil ways or for the sake of your children, leave
                                    > > > > > them so
                                    > > > > > > that they can grow up in a home that is not defiled with your
                                    > > > > > selfish,
                                    > > > > > > evil, destructive and detestable ways!
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > > > > From: sunshinegirl_902 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
                                    > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:51 PM
                                    > > > > > > To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > > Subject: [ExGDBd] About me...
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Hello,
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I am new here. Ever since I can remember I was attracted to the
                                    > > > > > same
                                    > > > > > > sex. I am a woman. I had a gf while in high school but my
                                    parents
                                    > > > > > > found out and it ended. I went from her to my husband. I have
                                    been
                                    > > > > > > with him ever since. It was not a great marriage and 2 yrs ago
                                    we
                                    > > > > > > seperated. I met a woman on the net. She lived in the state I am
                                    > > > > > > originally am from and most of my family still live. I went
                                    there
                                    > > > > > and
                                    > > > > > > stayed with my sister but my kids missed their home and dad and
                                    I
                                    > > > > > > reconciled..but I missed her. I fell in love with her and she
                                    > >loved
                                    > > > > > > me like no one else had. I would go back and forth between him
                                    and
                                    > > > > > > her..she would come here weekends and decided to move here.
                                    About
                                    > >a
                                    > > > > > > year ago I decided I could not be with her and told her I could
                                    > >not
                                    > > > > > > leave the family. I loved my kids to much to do that to them.
                                    > > > > > > She still came here because she made friends with some other gay
                                    > > > > > > people here. I still saw her sometimes.
                                    > > > > > > About 2 months ago I found out she was dating someone here that
                                    I
                                    > > > > > > knew and it made me think I didn't want to lose her..and what we
                                    > > > > > had
                                    > > > > > > so I told my husband it was over and pursued her...she said we
                                    > > > > > could
                                    > > > > > > be together but I would have to totally leave him..so for 2
                                    months
                                    > > > > > > now that is where it all stands. I told her a few weeks agao I
                                    had
                                    > > > > > to
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                                    but
                                    > >I
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                                    women...Can
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                                    planning
                                    > > > > > on
                                    > > > > > > moving here and there is always a reason for us to be talking..I
                                    > >am
                                    > > > > > > also jealous of her with this other woman..I know I am with my
                                    > > > > > > husband..this is the way my mind works...sad.
                                    > > > > > > I am just looking for some help..some way out of this.
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