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  • Nieuwleven
    Dear brother, Thanks for sharing. Actually, nobody knows why homosexuality develops in some people. Trying to find a simplistic answer would do more harm than
    Message 1 of 8 , Jan 2, 2008
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      Dear brother,

      Thanks for sharing. Actually, nobody knows why homosexuality develops
      in some people. Trying to find a simplistic answer would do more harm
      than good. Probably hormones play a role, but there are plenty of
      other factors behind.

      Welcome to the team! I've also made peace with the idea that this
      process of healing might be lifelong! I don't see healing as having
      heterosexual lust, but as becoming closer to Jesus and to the one he
      created in me.

      Lots of love in Him,

      Armand

      --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "p_csilen" <p_csilen@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the results of my blood work.
      > Except for my triglicerides being a little too high everything looked
      > pretty good. There was one result that stood out. My testosterone
      > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that this might or might
      > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius, but it has a lot to do
      > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave me a testosterone
      > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low testosterone levels
      > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my doctor that I had been a
      > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked if this could be a
      > contributing factor? She told me that there are different schools of
      > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a possibility. My doctor
      > was very impressed over the fact that I had left the life, and it
      > turned out that she was a Christian too. We discussed the situation
      > in great length. She told me that The Lord has forgiven and forgotten
      > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's right. That is
      > easier said than done when I can't be out in public or watch TV
      > without finding myself cruising.
      >
      > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the hormone level
      > theory, or is it what I have been told all my Christian life. "This
      > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am getting my just
      > deserts!"
      >
      > I have come to a place in life where I have had to accept that I will
      > always be attracted to males, and this is not going to go away. I
      > have even come to the point where in my prayers I have thanked The
      > Lord for allowing this to happen, and to thank Him for His
      > forgivness. It is still a struggle. I would welcome your feedback.
      > Pardon my bad spelling. I never went to medical school. God bless you.
      >
    • friendofnsf
      Dear brother, praise God for your salvation! I am female and have a disorder (PCOS) that is frequently associated with higher than normal testosterone levels
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 2, 2008
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        Dear brother, praise God for your salvation!

        I am female and have a disorder (PCOS) that is frequently associated
        with higher than normal testosterone levels in women or female
        hormones being out of wack. I have never struggled with SSA but then
        again, my doctor doesn't see the point of testing my hormones either,
        so I can't say for sure what they are.

        There are many contributing factors, and I suggest you do some reading
        on this subject if you really want to get to the root causes. But
        meanwhile, be encouraged! God loves you and is not punishing you in
        any way. I am not sure why things are not easier for you, except that
        all of us grow and learn from our struggles!

        Blessings,

        Di
      • Thomas Morey
        Dear p_csilen, A great book, called Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover gives an accurate overview of the research concerning
        Message 3 of 8 , Jan 4, 2008
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          Dear p_csilen,

          A great book, called "Homosexuality and the Politics
          of Truth" by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover gives an accurate
          overview of the research concerning the possibility of
          any hormonal influences on same sex attractions (SSA)
          in one of its chapters in the causation section of the
          book.

          In addition, after having done a term paper in one of
          my neuropsych classes from the early 90's on this very
          issue, I can reassure you that if there is any DIRECT
          influences on just homosexual behavior, in itself, and
          not significantly altering the direction of one's
          sexual behavior, it is due rather to having too much
          testosterone, and/or its derivative, alpha-tocopherol,
          rather than not enough. This is found to be true not
          only among animals, but also those who take
          performance-enhancing steroidal drugs! Actually, it is
          more indicative of just a heightened frequency of
          aggressive and sexual behavior, and not just
          homosexual acts.

          As for any possible INDIRECT, or predispositional
          influences, there is particular theoretical aspects of
          the Geschwind theory, among others, that only during
          the later prenatal stages of growth, hormonalization
          of cortex development of the brain does indeed have a
          bearing on personality and specializaton of abilities,
          which may lead then to homosexual inclinational
          development when it is concomitant with the necessary
          and classic psychosexual influences from one's
          familial environment. It is believed that more
          testosteronal-like neurochemical effects lead to more
          specialization of the brain (i.e., in general,
          sociobiologists state that males are believed to be
          more likely to have less development in verbal regions
          of the cortex and more in spatial relations than
          females). In general, females are believed by them to
          have more of an integrated, or neurochemically
          consolidated, cortical system. And, studies concerning
          specialization of abilities and tasks do seem to
          indicate that self-identified SSA'd adult males are
          much more like their female counterparts, rather than
          other males. But, other specialists in the field say
          that this may be because of post-natal, acquired
          behavior, even in our adulthood, since our behaviors
          do indeed continually have significant effect on
          various aspects of the brain. Plus, there was no
          significant differences found between self-identified
          SSA's women and other women, nor significant
          similarities between SSA'd women and men in general.

          It does appear that it is widely accepted by those in
          neuropsychology that particular hormonal effects on
          the brain rather have alot more to do with
          hermaphroditism and other biologically based sexual
          disorders, and not as much on psychosexual
          development.

          I hope this helps.

          Blessings,

          Tom


          --- p_csilen <p_csilen@...> wrote:

          > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the results of
          > my blood work.
          > Except for my triglicerides being a little too high
          > everything looked
          > pretty good. There was one result that stood out. My
          > testosterone
          > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that this
          > might or might
          > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius, but
          > it has a lot to do
          > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave me a
          > testosterone
          > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low
          > testosterone levels
          > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my doctor
          > that I had been a
          > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked if
          > this could be a
          > contributing factor? She told me that there are
          > different schools of
          > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a
          > possibility. My doctor
          > was very impressed over the fact that I had left the
          > life, and it
          > turned out that she was a Christian too. We
          > discussed the situation
          > in great length. She told me that The Lord has
          > forgiven and forgotten
          > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's
          > right. That is
          > easier said than done when I can't be out in public
          > or watch TV
          > without finding myself cruising.
          >
          > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the
          > hormone level
          > theory, or is it what I have been told all my
          > Christian life. "This
          > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am
          > getting my just
          > deserts!"
          >
          > I have come to a place in life where I have had to
          > accept that I will
          > always be attracted to males, and this is not going
          > to go away. I
          > have even come to the point where in my prayers I
          > have thanked The
          > Lord for allowing this to happen, and to thank Him
          > for His
          > forgivness. It is still a struggle. I would welcome
          > your feedback.
          > Pardon my bad spelling. I never went to medical
          > school. God bless you.
          >
          >




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        • ctickle777
          Hey Tom, Quick question for you - did this research suggest that elevated testosterone (which may be the result of too much Vitamin E) actually leads to
          Message 4 of 8 , Jan 6, 2008
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            Hey Tom,

            Quick question for you - did this research suggest that elevated
            testosterone (which may be the result of too much Vitamin E)
            actually leads to aggressive sexual tendencies? I just wanted to
            make sure I understand.

            This book sounds really interesting. I also have another question
            that I wanted to address since we're on this topic. I know a handful
            of people (all males) who have SSA. All of them expressed to me that
            they were teased and labeled "f**" or another similar term either
            during latent adolescence or sometime during college, when
            their "manhood" is really blossoming. Could the environmental labels
            also affect one's hormones, or even bring about one's "acceptance"
            of his/her homosexuality? I just find it really odd that all of
            these men were teased in the same way and prior to this experience,
            all four of them say they were attracted to both females and males
            but that the "name-calling" in part led them to believe that they
            must be "gay" since it appeared so obvious to everyone. Is there any
            validity to this? I'm just stumped b/c I find this to be a very
            interesting commonality.

            Thanks,
            Christa

            --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
            <moreytom@...> wrote:
            >
            > Dear p_csilen,
            >
            > A great book, called "Homosexuality and the Politics
            > of Truth" by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover gives an accurate
            > overview of the research concerning the possibility of
            > any hormonal influences on same sex attractions (SSA)
            > in one of its chapters in the causation section of the
            > book.
            >
            > In addition, after having done a term paper in one of
            > my neuropsych classes from the early 90's on this very
            > issue, I can reassure you that if there is any DIRECT
            > influences on just homosexual behavior, in itself, and
            > not significantly altering the direction of one's
            > sexual behavior, it is due rather to having too much
            > testosterone, and/or its derivative, alpha-tocopherol,
            > rather than not enough. This is found to be true not
            > only among animals, but also those who take
            > performance-enhancing steroidal drugs! Actually, it is
            > more indicative of just a heightened frequency of
            > aggressive and sexual behavior, and not just
            > homosexual acts.
            >
            > As for any possible INDIRECT, or predispositional
            > influences, there is particular theoretical aspects of
            > the Geschwind theory, among others, that only during
            > the later prenatal stages of growth, hormonalization
            > of cortex development of the brain does indeed have a
            > bearing on personality and specializaton of abilities,
            > which may lead then to homosexual inclinational
            > development when it is concomitant with the necessary
            > and classic psychosexual influences from one's
            > familial environment. It is believed that more
            > testosteronal-like neurochemical effects lead to more
            > specialization of the brain (i.e., in general,
            > sociobiologists state that males are believed to be
            > more likely to have less development in verbal regions
            > of the cortex and more in spatial relations than
            > females). In general, females are believed by them to
            > have more of an integrated, or neurochemically
            > consolidated, cortical system. And, studies concerning
            > specialization of abilities and tasks do seem to
            > indicate that self-identified SSA'd adult males are
            > much more like their female counterparts, rather than
            > other males. But, other specialists in the field say
            > that this may be because of post-natal, acquired
            > behavior, even in our adulthood, since our behaviors
            > do indeed continually have significant effect on
            > various aspects of the brain. Plus, there was no
            > significant differences found between self-identified
            > SSA's women and other women, nor significant
            > similarities between SSA'd women and men in general.
            >
            > It does appear that it is widely accepted by those in
            > neuropsychology that particular hormonal effects on
            > the brain rather have alot more to do with
            > hermaphroditism and other biologically based sexual
            > disorders, and not as much on psychosexual
            > development.
            >
            > I hope this helps.
            >
            > Blessings,
            >
            > Tom
            >
            >
            > --- p_csilen <p_csilen@...> wrote:
            >
            > > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the results of
            > > my blood work.
            > > Except for my triglicerides being a little too high
            > > everything looked
            > > pretty good. There was one result that stood out. My
            > > testosterone
            > > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that this
            > > might or might
            > > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius, but
            > > it has a lot to do
            > > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave me a
            > > testosterone
            > > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low
            > > testosterone levels
            > > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my doctor
            > > that I had been a
            > > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked if
            > > this could be a
            > > contributing factor? She told me that there are
            > > different schools of
            > > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a
            > > possibility. My doctor
            > > was very impressed over the fact that I had left the
            > > life, and it
            > > turned out that she was a Christian too. We
            > > discussed the situation
            > > in great length. She told me that The Lord has
            > > forgiven and forgotten
            > > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's
            > > right. That is
            > > easier said than done when I can't be out in public
            > > or watch TV
            > > without finding myself cruising.
            > >
            > > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the
            > > hormone level
            > > theory, or is it what I have been told all my
            > > Christian life. "This
            > > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am
            > > getting my just
            > > deserts!"
            > >
            > > I have come to a place in life where I have had to
            > > accept that I will
            > > always be attracted to males, and this is not going
            > > to go away. I
            > > have even come to the point where in my prayers I
            > > have thanked The
            > > Lord for allowing this to happen, and to thank Him
            > > for His
            > > forgivness. It is still a struggle. I would welcome
            > > your feedback.
            > > Pardon my bad spelling. I never went to medical
            > > school. God bless you.
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • ctickle777
            Hi. I just had to respond to something that you wrote. You said that you had been told throughout life that, This [the results of your blood work] is God s
            Message 5 of 8 , Jan 6, 2008
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              Hi. I just had to respond to something that you wrote. You said that
              you had been told throughout life that,

              "This [the results of your blood work] is God's judgement against
              [me]. Therefore I am getting my just deserts!"

              How many times we hear from pastors, clergy, and even mis-guided
              brothers and sisters in Christ that our behavior will lead God to
              condemn us - or inflict harm on us as judgment for our sins!! I,
              too, heard some of this growing up - not from my parents, but from
              pastors and other people in church. I heard, "Sinners go straight to
              hell so you best stop sinning or you'll join them!!" It was only
              later on that I finally learned the truth: We're ALL sinners so I
              guess we're all doomed to hell!! lol. ; ) Anyway, I struggle with
              guilt, too, but guilt does not come from God. It comes from Satan,
              who steals the joy of Christians by convincing them (through their
              thoughts) that their sin defines who they are and precedes the
              unfortunate events that will inevitably plague their futures.

              I allow guilt to invade my mind and it is difficult to ignore
              sometimes, but those who are in Christ are "no longer condemned" by
              God. They are righteous because of what Christ did for them.
              Sometimes I wonder why God has blessed me so much and I feel guilty
              for experiencing the desires of my heart. I'll sometimes think to
              myself, "This just can't be - why on earth would God bless me?! I
              totally don't deserve this!" The guilt of my imperfected being
              plagues my mind and I begin to doubt God's presence in my life until
              I realize that no, I don't deserve to be reconciled to God, or to
              receive His blessings, but Christ does deserve these things and I am
              in Christ! Then, I thank God and renounce the false condemnation and
              guilt. Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts b/c I have
              struggled with similar feelings lately as well. : ) Although many of
              our feelings are not factual, they still "feel" real to us, don't
              they?

              Blessings,
              Christa

              --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "p_csilen"
              <p_csilen@...> wrote:
              >
              > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the results of my blood
              work.
              > Except for my triglicerides being a little too high everything
              looked
              > pretty good. There was one result that stood out. My testosterone
              > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that this might or
              might
              > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius, but it has a lot to
              do
              > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave me a testosterone
              > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low testosterone
              levels
              > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my doctor that I had
              been a
              > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked if this could be
              a
              > contributing factor? She told me that there are different schools
              of
              > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a possibility. My
              doctor
              > was very impressed over the fact that I had left the life, and it
              > turned out that she was a Christian too. We discussed the
              situation
              > in great length. She told me that The Lord has forgiven and
              forgotten
              > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's right. That is
              > easier said than done when I can't be out in public or watch TV
              > without finding myself cruising.
              >
              > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the hormone level
              > theory, or is it what I have been told all my Christian
              life. "This
              > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am getting my just
              > deserts!"
              >
              > I have come to a place in life where I have had to accept that I
              will
              > always be attracted to males, and this is not going to go away. I
              > have even come to the point where in my prayers I have thanked The
              > Lord for allowing this to happen, and to thank Him for His
              > forgivness. It is still a struggle. I would welcome your feedback.
              > Pardon my bad spelling. I never went to medical school. God bless
              you.
              >
            • Paul Silen
              Its funny that you should post this today. I just had dinner tonight with a Mormon friend. And as usual we bantered, faith vs works. You know the rest. I
              Message 6 of 8 , Jan 6, 2008
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                Its funny that you should post this today. I just had dinner tonight with a Mormon friend. And as usual we bantered, "faith vs works.' You know the rest. I finally laid the discussion to rest with this comment, "The difference between the way that you believe and the way that I do is this: My beliefs are based on grace and faith. Your beliefs are based on fear and shame."

                He told me that he couldn't argue with me there.

                ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:
                Hi. I just had to respond to something that you wrote. You said that
                you had been told throughout life that,

                "This [the results of your blood work] is God's judgement against
                [me]. Therefore I am getting my just deserts!"

                How many times we hear from pastors, clergy, and even mis-guided
                brothers and sisters in Christ that our behavior will lead God to
                condemn us - or inflict harm on us as judgment for our sins!! I,
                too, heard some of this growing up - not from my parents, but from
                pastors and other people in church. I heard, "Sinners go straight to
                hell so you best stop sinning or you'll join them!!" It was only
                later on that I finally learned the truth: We're ALL sinners so I
                guess we're all doomed to hell!! lol. ; ) Anyway, I struggle with
                guilt, too, but guilt does not come from God. It comes from Satan,
                who steals the joy of Christians by convincing them (through their
                thoughts) that their sin defines who they are and precedes the
                unfortunate events that will inevitably plague their futures.

                I allow guilt to invade my mind and it is difficult to ignore
                sometimes, but those who are in Christ are "no longer condemned" by
                God. They are righteous because of what Christ did for them.
                Sometimes I wonder why God has blessed me so much and I feel guilty
                for experiencing the desires of my heart. I'll sometimes think to
                myself, "This just can't be - why on earth would God bless me?! I
                totally don't deserve this!" The guilt of my imperfected being
                plagues my mind and I begin to doubt God's presence in my life until
                I realize that no, I don't deserve to be reconciled to God, or to
                receive His blessings, but Christ does deserve these things and I am
                in Christ! Then, I thank God and renounce the false condemnation and
                guilt. Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts b/c I have
                struggled with similar feelings lately as well. : ) Although many of
                our feelings are not factual, they still "feel" real to us, don't
                they?

                Blessings,
                Christa

                --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "p_csilen"
                <p_csilen@...> wrote:
                >
                > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the results of my blood
                work.
                > Except for my triglicerides being a little too high everything
                looked
                > pretty good. There was one result that stood out. My testosterone
                > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that this might or
                might
                > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius, but it has a lot to
                do
                > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave me a testosterone
                > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low testosterone
                levels
                > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my doctor that I had
                been a
                > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked if this could be
                a
                > contributing factor? She told me that there are different schools
                of
                > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a possibility. My
                doctor
                > was very impressed over the fact that I had left the life, and it
                > turned out that she was a Christian too. We discussed the
                situation
                > in great length. She told me that The Lord has forgiven and
                forgotten
                > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's right. That is
                > easier said than done when I can't be out in public or watch TV
                > without finding myself cruising.
                >
                > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the hormone level
                > theory, or is it what I have been told all my Christian
                life. "This
                > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am getting my just
                > deserts!"
                >
                > I have come to a place in life where I have had to accept that I
                will
                > always be attracted to males, and this is not going to go away. I
                > have even come to the point where in my prayers I have thanked The
                > Lord for allowing this to happen, and to thank Him for His
                > forgivness. It is still a struggle. I would welcome your feedback.
                > Pardon my bad spelling. I never went to medical school. God bless
                you.
                >






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              • Thomas Morey
                Oh, yes, Christa. It is sadly very true. Whatever the accuser can get a hold of to take us off track, so-to-speak, from our natural psychosexual development,
                Message 7 of 8 , Jan 7, 2008
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                  Oh, yes, Christa. It is sadly very true.

                  Whatever the accuser can get a hold of to take us off
                  track, so-to-speak, from our natural psychosexual
                  development, the better to obtain the dark objectives
                  that he has for our lives. I too have heard many
                  stories about schoolyard name calling throughout my
                  years as a significant factor of MOST of those who had
                  eventually accepted being and self-identify as gay. I
                  just wasn't one of them (this goes for sexual abuse as
                  well), since apparently I "fit in" enough to avoid
                  such direct name calling, despite having been
                  effeminate in my late childhood and early adolescence.
                  I'm sure many of my peers did use derogatory labels
                  such as "F-G", when having referred to me, but I never
                  was directly confronted by them with such language.
                  And, yes, I was sexually propositioned by many male
                  peers, as well as those older (btw, all these males
                  now are "straight" and married) at this age too. But,
                  I never consented, nor propositioned anyone, nor was
                  forced to participate! Was this due to me being taller
                  than most male peers my age at the time, and being
                  athletically inclined and active? I just don't know.

                  As for the Vitamin E, since a major ingredient in the
                  gel caps one takes is alpha-tocopherol, that just
                  makes good sense what you have said about its
                  connection with increased aggressiveness and sexual
                  behavior. But, I just don't know concerning any
                  research on the matter. I can say that personally that
                  seems to be the case, because in my early adolescence,
                  before I got saved, I used to take gobs of Vitamin E
                  pills daily in order to try to get rid of my
                  effeminate behavior, but it just made me more horny,
                  and hyper-aggressive with siblings and on the
                  basketball court.

                  I'll submit a post here later today about my personal
                  psychosexual "derailment" experience which I just
                  posted recently on Ex-Gay International's discussion
                  group, after someone asked about this very thing
                  there. Also, I believe you and p_csilen were
                  discussing childhood arrested development issues
                  concerning SSA's just recently too, so I'll try to
                  address that as well in the post.

                  Btw, you've been in my prayers. I hope you are feeling
                  better, and the pain is now history!

                  Blessings,

                  Tom
                  --- ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:

                  > Hey Tom,
                  >
                  > Quick question for you - did this research suggest
                  > that elevated
                  > testosterone (which may be the result of too much
                  > Vitamin E)
                  > actually leads to aggressive sexual tendencies? I
                  > just wanted to
                  > make sure I understand.
                  >
                  > This book sounds really interesting. I also have
                  > another question
                  > that I wanted to address since we're on this topic.
                  > I know a handful
                  > of people (all males) who have SSA. All of them
                  > expressed to me that
                  > they were teased and labeled "f**" or another
                  > similar term either
                  > during latent adolescence or sometime during
                  > college, when
                  > their "manhood" is really blossoming. Could the
                  > environmental labels
                  > also affect one's hormones, or even bring about
                  > one's "acceptance"
                  > of his/her homosexuality? I just find it really odd
                  > that all of
                  > these men were teased in the same way and prior to
                  > this experience,
                  > all four of them say they were attracted to both
                  > females and males
                  > but that the "name-calling" in part led them to
                  > believe that they
                  > must be "gay" since it appeared so obvious to
                  > everyone. Is there any
                  > validity to this? I'm just stumped b/c I find this
                  > to be a very
                  > interesting commonality.
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  > Christa
                  >
                  > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas
                  > Morey
                  > <moreytom@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Dear p_csilen,
                  > >
                  > > A great book, called "Homosexuality and the
                  > Politics
                  > > of Truth" by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover gives an
                  > accurate
                  > > overview of the research concerning the
                  > possibility of
                  > > any hormonal influences on same sex attractions
                  > (SSA)
                  > > in one of its chapters in the causation section of
                  > the
                  > > book.
                  > >
                  > > In addition, after having done a term paper in one
                  > of
                  > > my neuropsych classes from the early 90's on this
                  > very
                  > > issue, I can reassure you that if there is any
                  > DIRECT
                  > > influences on just homosexual behavior, in itself,
                  > and
                  > > not significantly altering the direction of one's
                  > > sexual behavior, it is due rather to having too
                  > much
                  > > testosterone, and/or its derivative,
                  > alpha-tocopherol,
                  > > rather than not enough. This is found to be true
                  > not
                  > > only among animals, but also those who take
                  > > performance-enhancing steroidal drugs! Actually,
                  > it is
                  > > more indicative of just a heightened frequency of
                  > > aggressive and sexual behavior, and not just
                  > > homosexual acts.
                  > >
                  > > As for any possible INDIRECT, or predispositional
                  > > influences, there is particular theoretical
                  > aspects of
                  > > the Geschwind theory, among others, that only
                  > during
                  > > the later prenatal stages of growth,
                  > hormonalization
                  > > of cortex development of the brain does indeed
                  > have a
                  > > bearing on personality and specializaton of
                  > abilities,
                  > > which may lead then to homosexual inclinational
                  > > development when it is concomitant with the
                  > necessary
                  > > and classic psychosexual influences from one's
                  > > familial environment. It is believed that more
                  > > testosteronal-like neurochemical effects lead to
                  > more
                  > > specialization of the brain (i.e., in general,
                  > > sociobiologists state that males are believed to
                  > be
                  > > more likely to have less development in verbal
                  > regions
                  > > of the cortex and more in spatial relations than
                  > > females). In general, females are believed by them
                  > to
                  > > have more of an integrated, or neurochemically
                  > > consolidated, cortical system. And, studies
                  > concerning
                  > > specialization of abilities and tasks do seem to
                  > > indicate that self-identified SSA'd adult males
                  > are
                  > > much more like their female counterparts, rather
                  > than
                  > > other males. But, other specialists in the field
                  > say
                  > > that this may be because of post-natal, acquired
                  > > behavior, even in our adulthood, since our
                  > behaviors
                  > > do indeed continually have significant effect on
                  > > various aspects of the brain. Plus, there was no
                  > > significant differences found between
                  > self-identified
                  > > SSA's women and other women, nor significant
                  > > similarities between SSA'd women and men in
                  > general.
                  > >
                  > > It does appear that it is widely accepted by those
                  > in
                  > > neuropsychology that particular hormonal effects
                  > on
                  > > the brain rather have alot more to do with
                  > > hermaphroditism and other biologically based
                  > sexual
                  > > disorders, and not as much on psychosexual
                  > > development.
                  > >
                  > > I hope this helps.
                  > >
                  > > Blessings,
                  > >
                  > > Tom
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- p_csilen <p_csilen@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the
                  > results of
                  > > > my blood work.
                  > > > Except for my triglicerides being a little too
                  > high
                  > > > everything looked
                  > > > pretty good. There was one result that stood
                  > out. My
                  > > > testosterone
                  > > > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that
                  > this
                  > > > might or might
                  > > > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius,
                  > but
                  > > > it has a lot to do
                  > > > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave
                  > me a
                  > > > testosterone
                  > > > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low
                  > > > testosterone levels
                  > > > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my
                  > doctor
                  > > > that I had been a
                  > > > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked
                  > if
                  > > > this could be a
                  > > > contributing factor? She told me that there are
                  > > > different schools of
                  > > > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a
                  > > > possibility. My doctor
                  > > > was very impressed over the fact that I had left
                  > the
                  > > > life, and it
                  > > > turned out that she was a Christian too. We
                  > > > discussed the situation
                  > > > in great length. She told me that The Lord has
                  > > > forgiven and forgotten
                  > > > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's
                  > > > right. That is
                  > > > easier said than done when I can't be out in
                  > public
                  > > > or watch TV
                  > > > without finding myself cruising.
                  > > >
                  > > > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the
                  > > > hormone level
                  > > > theory, or is it what I have been told all my
                  > > > Christian life. "This
                  > > > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am
                  > > > getting my just
                  > > > deserts!"
                  > > >
                  > > > I have come to a place in life where I have had
                  > to
                  >
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