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  • Michael
    Hey all, I would like to know if there is an exgay political group, like the Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats??? Epiko
    Message 1 of 13 , Jan 28, 2005
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      Hey all,
      I would like to know if there is an exgay political group, like the
      Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???

      Epiko
    • Alan Levering
      The only well-organized one I know of is the Ex-Gay Special Interest Group of the National Educational Association (they made a lot of press last year and had
      Message 2 of 13 , Jan 28, 2005
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        The only well-organized one I know of is the Ex-Gay
        Special Interest Group of the National Educational
        Association (they made a lot of press last year and
        had an uphill battle even getting approval by the NEA
        "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the Pro-Family
        groups that keep are interests in the fray fro the
        most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)

        --Alan

        --- Michael <epiko@...> wrote:

        >
        > Hey all,
        > I would like to know if there is an exgay political
        > group, like the
        > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???
        >
        > Epiko
        >
        >
        >
        >


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      • Bridget Night
        I know PFOX has also become more political. Every May members meet with congressman in Washington D.C. for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX for
        Message 3 of 13 , Jan 28, 2005
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          I know PFOX has also become more political. Every May members meet with congressman in Washington D.C. for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX for more information. Bridget
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Alan Levering<mailto:ncxds2@...>
          To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
          Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group


          The only well-organized one I know of is the Ex-Gay
          Special Interest Group of the National Educational
          Association (they made a lot of press last year and
          had an uphill battle even getting approval by the NEA
          "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the Pro-Family
          groups that keep are interests in the fray fro the
          most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)

          --Alan

          --- Michael <epiko@...> wrote:

          >
          > Hey all,
          > I would like to know if there is an exgay political
          > group, like the
          > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???
          >
          > Epiko
          >
          >
          >
          >


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        • Thomas Morey
          Great question, Epiko! Some other ex-gay groups that have a spokesperson for the political realm are Stephen Bennett from SBM, who s been very actively
          Message 4 of 13 , Jan 29, 2005
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            Great question, Epiko!

            Some other ex-gay groups that have a spokesperson for the political realm are Stephen Bennett from SBM, who's been very actively involved with the We Are Family video controversy, and Alan Chambers from Exodus, who spoke with "W", our president, at the White House, I believe last year. There are the spokespersons as well from the professional groups, such as Dr. Warren Throckmorton from NARTH, who single-handedly opposed the Ohio Psychological Association pro-gay reps regarding DOMA and the FMA before the Ohio state congress, and won.

            However, I believe the closest organization to which you are inquiring is Peter LaBarbera's bimonthly newspaper called the Lambda Report in Washington, DC, which promotes a traditional and ex-gay view of sexuality, and purpose is to educate its readers, especially geared towards the pundits on Capitol Hill, to pro-gay agendas. Peter LaBarbera is president of Americans for Truth about Homosexuality (703-491-7975, www.americansfortruth.com, which publishes the Lambda Report. If you'd like to consider supporting the starting up of an ex-gay lobbying group, get in contact and/or call Peter, as well as Bridget's recommendation, Regina Riggs from PFOX, who's also in the DC area, and see what they recommend.

            Blessings,

            Tom

            Michael <epiko@...> wrote:

            Hey all,
            I would like to know if there is an exgay political group, like the
            Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???

            Epiko





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          • Alan Levering
            Oops!! Good Catch BN!! ... exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com ...
            Message 5 of 13 , Jan 29, 2005
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              Oops!! Good Catch BN!!

              --- Bridget Night <BridgetNight123@...> wrote:

              > I know PFOX has also become more political. Every
              > May members meet with congressman in Washington D.C.
              > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX for
              > more information. Bridget
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Alan Levering<mailto:ncxds2@...>
              > To:
              >
              exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
              >
              > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
              >
              >
              > The only well-organized one I know of is the
              > Ex-Gay
              > Special Interest Group of the National Educational
              > Association (they made a lot of press last year
              > and
              > had an uphill battle even getting approval by the
              > NEA
              > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
              > Pro-Family
              > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro the
              > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
              >
              > --Alan
              >
              > --- Michael <epiko@...> wrote:
              >
              > >
              > > Hey all,
              > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
              > political
              > > group, like the
              > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???
              > >
              > > Epiko
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
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            • Michael
              Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than I thought I will look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites. C Yuh All Soon. ...
              Message 6 of 13 , Jan 30, 2005
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                Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than I thought I will
                look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites. C Yuh All Soon.





                --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Alan Levering
                <ncxds2@y...> wrote:
                > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                >
                > --- Bridget Night <BridgetNight123@h...> wrote:
                >
                > > I know PFOX has also become more political. Every
                > > May members meet with congressman in Washington D.C.
                > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX for
                > > more information. Bridget
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Alan Levering<mailto:ncxds2@y...>
                > > To:
                > >
                >
                exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yaho
                ogroups.com>
                > >
                > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                > >
                > >
                > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                > > Ex-Gay
                > > Special Interest Group of the National Educational
                > > Association (they made a lot of press last year
                > > and
                > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by the
                > > NEA
                > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                > > Pro-Family
                > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro the
                > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                > >
                > > --Alan
                > >
                > > --- Michael <epiko@y...> wrote:
                > >
                > > >
                > > > Hey all,
                > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                > > political
                > > > group, like the
                > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???
                > > >
                > > > Epiko
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > > =====
                > > -- In Him who leads us to the Absolute Truth,
                > > Alan Levering; Founder, NCXDS Ex-Gay Internet
                > > Ministries
                > >
                > > Web:
                > >
                > <http://geocities.com/exgaylinks<http://geocities.com/exgaylinks>>
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                > >
                >
                <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard<http://groups.yah
                oo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard>>
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                > >
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              • RichardI23 I
                I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group. The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not as
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                  I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group. The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not as active in politics as theywould like. I think it would be in the interets of someone who is brave and knows the issues to get involved, Politics is power, and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in congress. You may never get an opputruinty like this for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet open to ex gay causes.

                  Michael <epiko@...> wrote:

                  Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than I thought I will
                  look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites. C Yuh All Soon.





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                  > > I know PFOX has also become more political. Every
                  > > May members meet with congressman in Washington D.C.
                  > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX for
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                  > > Special Interest Group of the National Educational
                  > > Association (they made a lot of press last year
                  > > and
                  > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by the
                  > > NEA
                  > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                  > > Pro-Family
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                  > > --Alan
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                  > > > Hey all,
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                  > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???
                  > > >
                  > > > Epiko
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                  From my perspective legislating morality is just another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was created to
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                    From my perspective legislating morality is just another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was created to show us that we couldn't live it out, that we needed a Savior.

                    RichardI23 I <xgayboy23@...> wrote:
                    I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group. The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not as active in politics as theywould like. I think it would be in the interets of someone who is brave and knows the issues to get involved, Politics is power, and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in congress. You may never get an opputruinty like this for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet open to ex gay causes.

                    Michael wrote:

                    Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than I thought I will
                    look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites. C Yuh All Soon.





                    --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Alan Levering
                    wrote:
                    > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                    >
                    > --- Bridget Night
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > > I know PFOX has also become more political. Every
                    > > May members meet with congressman in Washington D.C.
                    > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX for
                    > > more information. Bridget
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Alan Levering
                    > > To:
                    > >
                    >
                    exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com>
                    > >
                    > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                    > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                    > > Ex-Gay
                    > > Special Interest Group of the National Educational
                    > > Association (they made a lot of press last year
                    > > and
                    > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by the
                    > > NEA
                    > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                    > > Pro-Family
                    > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro the
                    > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                    > >
                    > > --Alan
                    > >
                    > > --- Michael wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Hey all,
                    > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                    > > political
                    > > > group, like the
                    > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall Democrats???
                    > > >
                    > > > Epiko
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
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                    > >
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                    > > Ministries
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                  • Alan Levering
                    I think legislating morality is just a buzz-word coined by those that do not want a pro-christian politcal agenda to succeed. I do not see activism by
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                      I think 'legislating morality" is just a buzz-word
                      coined by those that do not want a pro-christian
                      politcal agenda to succeed.

                      I do not see activism by Christians as legislating
                      morality, but preserving the rights of families to
                      raise their children as they wish without fear of
                      reprisal from those who disagree.

                      --Alan

                      --- Drew VanDyche <vandyche@...> wrote:

                      >
                      > From my perspective legislating morality is just
                      > another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good
                      > and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was
                      > created to show us that we couldn't live it out,
                      > that we needed a Savior.
                      >
                      > RichardI23 I <xgayboy23@...> wrote:
                      > I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay
                      > mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group.
                      > The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not
                      > as active in politics as theywould like. I think it
                      > would be in the interets of someone who is brave and
                      > knows the issues to get involved, Politics is power,
                      > and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in
                      > congress. You may never get an opputruinty like this
                      > for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet open
                      > to ex gay causes.
                      >
                      > Michael wrote:
                      >
                      > Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than
                      > I thought I will
                      > look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites.
                      > C Yuh All Soon.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Alan
                      > Levering
                      > wrote:
                      > > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                      > >
                      > > --- Bridget Night
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > > I know PFOX has also become more political.
                      > Every
                      > > > May members meet with congressman in Washington
                      > D.C.
                      > > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX
                      > for
                      > > > more information. Bridget
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: Alan Levering
                      > > > To:
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com>
                      > > >
                      > > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                      > > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                      > > > Ex-Gay
                      > > > Special Interest Group of the National
                      > Educational
                      > > > Association (they made a lot of press last year
                      > > > and
                      > > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by
                      > the
                      > > > NEA
                      > > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                      > > > Pro-Family
                      > > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro
                      > the
                      > > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                      > > >
                      > > > --Alan
                      > > >
                      > > > --- Michael wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hey all,
                      > > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                      > > > political
                      > > > > group, like the
                      > > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall
                      > Democrats???
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Epiko
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
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                      > > > Alan Levering; Founder, NCXDS Ex-Gay Internet
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                    • Bridget Night
                      Alan, I totally agree with what you just said!! I had no idea how difficult it would become to hang on to simple freedoms. The election in Iraq on Sunday
                      Message 10 of 13 , Jan 31, 2005
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                        Alan,

                        I totally agree with what you just said!! I had no idea how difficult it would become to hang on to simple freedoms. The election in Iraq on Sunday brought it home even more to me.

                        Bridget
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Alan Levering<mailto:ncxds2@...>
                        To: exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:10 PM
                        Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group



                        I think 'legislating morality" is just a buzz-word
                        coined by those that do not want a pro-christian
                        politcal agenda to succeed.

                        I do not see activism by Christians as legislating
                        morality, but preserving the rights of families to
                        raise their children as they wish without fear of
                        reprisal from those who disagree.

                        --Alan

                        --- Drew VanDyche <vandyche@...<mailto:vandyche@...>> wrote:

                        >
                        > From my perspective legislating morality is just
                        > another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good
                        > and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was
                        > created to show us that we couldn't live it out,
                        > that we needed a Savior.
                        >
                        > RichardI23 I <xgayboy23@...<mailto:xgayboy23@...>> wrote:
                        > I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay
                        > mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group.
                        > The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not
                        > as active in politics as theywould like. I think it
                        > would be in the interets of someone who is brave and
                        > knows the issues to get involved, Politics is power,
                        > and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in
                        > congress. You may never get an opputruinty like this
                        > for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet open
                        > to ex gay causes.
                        >
                        > Michael wrote:
                        >
                        > Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than
                        > I thought I will
                        > look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites.
                        > C Yuh All Soon.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com>, Alan
                        > Levering
                        > wrote:
                        > > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                        > >
                        > > --- Bridget Night
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > I know PFOX has also become more political.
                        > Every
                        > > > May members meet with congressman in Washington
                        > D.C.
                        > > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX
                        > for
                        > > > more information. Bridget
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: Alan Levering
                        > > > To:
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com>>
                        > > >
                        > > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                        > > > Ex-Gay
                        > > > Special Interest Group of the National
                        > Educational
                        > > > Association (they made a lot of press last year
                        > > > and
                        > > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by
                        > the
                        > > > NEA
                        > > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                        > > > Pro-Family
                        > > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro
                        > the
                        > > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                        > > >
                        > > > --Alan
                        > > >
                        > > > --- Michael wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hey all,
                        > > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                        > > > political
                        > > > > group, like the
                        > > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall
                        > Democrats???
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Epiko
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > =====
                        > > > -- In Him who leads us to the Absolute Truth,
                        > > > Alan Levering; Founder, NCXDS Ex-Gay Internet
                        > > > Ministries
                        > > >
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                        > > >
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                        > > >
                        > >
                        > oo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard>>
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                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
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                      • Drew VanDyche
                        Alan: You may define it that way, but I don t. Roger Houtsma, Marin Christian Life (Assembly of God) Novato, CA is the one who made that statement and I
                        Message 11 of 13 , Jan 31, 2005
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                          Alan:
                          You may define it that way, but I don't. Roger Houtsma, Marin Christian Life (Assembly of God) Novato, CA
                          is the one who made that statement and I certainly don't think that was his perspective.
                          I think that his perspective is that morality begins at home.

                          Alan Levering <ncxds2@...> wrote:

                          I think 'legislating morality" is just a buzz-word
                          coined by those that do not want a pro-christian
                          politcal agenda to succeed.

                          I do not see activism by Christians as legislating
                          morality, but preserving the rights of families to
                          raise their children as they wish without fear of
                          reprisal from those who disagree.

                          --Alan

                          --- Drew VanDyche wrote:

                          >
                          > From my perspective legislating morality is just
                          > another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good
                          > and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was
                          > created to show us that we couldn't live it out,
                          > that we needed a Savior.
                          >
                          > RichardI23 I wrote:
                          > I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay
                          > mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group.
                          > The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not
                          > as active in politics as theywould like. I think it
                          > would be in the interets of someone who is brave and
                          > knows the issues to get involved, Politics is power,
                          > and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in
                          > congress. You may never get an opputruinty like this
                          > for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet open
                          > to ex gay causes.
                          >
                          > Michael wrote:
                          >
                          > Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups than
                          > I thought I will
                          > look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet sites.
                          > C Yuh All Soon.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Alan
                          > Levering
                          > wrote:
                          > > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                          > >
                          > > --- Bridget Night
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > I know PFOX has also become more political.
                          > Every
                          > > > May members meet with congressman in Washington
                          > D.C.
                          > > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at PFOX
                          > for
                          > > > more information. Bridget
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: Alan Levering
                          > > > To:
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com>
                          > > >
                          > > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                          > > > Ex-Gay
                          > > > Special Interest Group of the National
                          > Educational
                          > > > Association (they made a lot of press last year
                          > > > and
                          > > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by
                          > the
                          > > > NEA
                          > > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                          > > > Pro-Family
                          > > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro
                          > the
                          > > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                          > > >
                          > > > --Alan
                          > > >
                          > > > --- Michael wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hey all,
                          > > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                          > > > political
                          > > > > group, like the
                          > > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall
                          > Democrats???
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Epiko
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > =====
                          > > > -- In Him who leads us to the Absolute Truth,
                          > > > Alan Levering; Founder, NCXDS Ex-Gay Internet
                          > > > Ministries
                          > > >
                          > > > Web:
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > | Discussion Board:
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > oo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard>>
                          > > > | Spanish Language Discussion Board:
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exgayenespaup/exgayenespa>
                          > > > | "Wounded Heart" Abused Men's Group:
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > roup/woundedheart>>
                          > > > | Chat:
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                          > >
                          > s.yahoo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard/chat>>
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                        • Alan Levering
                          He may have used the term, but I doubt he coined the phraase (got an article attributing this prhase to him?) Regardless, almost ALL laws legislate some type
                          Message 12 of 13 , Feb 1, 2005
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                            He may have used the term, but I doubt he coined the
                            phraase (got an article attributing this prhase to
                            him?)

                            Regardless, almost ALL laws legislate some type of
                            morality. Murder, rape and almost all crimes could be
                            "justified" under a "if it feels good, do it" type of
                            morality. This is what laws do -- they keep the wants
                            and desires of some from impinging on the rights and
                            desires of others.

                            --Alan


                            --- Drew VanDyche <vandyche@...> wrote:

                            >
                            > Alan:
                            > You may define it that way, but I don't. Roger
                            > Houtsma, Marin Christian Life (Assembly of God)
                            > Novato, CA
                            > is the one who made that statement and I certainly
                            > don't think that was his perspective.
                            > I think that his perspective is that morality begins
                            > at home.
                            >
                            > Alan Levering <ncxds2@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I think 'legislating morality" is just a buzz-word
                            > coined by those that do not want a pro-christian
                            > politcal agenda to succeed.
                            >
                            > I do not see activism by Christians as legislating
                            > morality, but preserving the rights of families to
                            > raise their children as they wish without fear of
                            > reprisal from those who disagree.
                            >
                            > --Alan
                            >
                            > --- Drew VanDyche wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            > > From my perspective legislating morality is just
                            > > another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good
                            > > and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was
                            > > created to show us that we couldn't live it out,
                            > > that we needed a Savior.
                            > >
                            > > RichardI23 I wrote:
                            > > I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay
                            > > mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group.
                            > > The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not
                            > > as active in politics as theywould like. I think
                            > it
                            > > would be in the interets of someone who is brave
                            > and
                            > > knows the issues to get involved, Politics is
                            > power,
                            > > and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in
                            > > congress. You may never get an opputruinty like
                            > this
                            > > for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet
                            > open
                            > > to ex gay causes.
                            > >
                            > > Michael wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups
                            > than
                            > > I thought I will
                            > > look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet
                            > sites.
                            > > C Yuh All Soon.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Alan
                            > > Levering
                            > > wrote:
                            > > > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                            > > >
                            > > > --- Bridget Night
                            > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > I know PFOX has also become more political.
                            > > Every
                            > > > > May members meet with congressman in
                            > Washington
                            > > D.C.
                            > > > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at
                            > PFOX
                            > > for
                            > > > > more information. Bridget
                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > From: Alan Levering
                            > > > > To:
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com>
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                            > > > > Ex-Gay
                            > > > > Special Interest Group of the National
                            > > Educational
                            > > > > Association (they made a lot of press last
                            > year
                            > > > > and
                            > > > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by
                            > > the
                            > > > > NEA
                            > > > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                            > > > > Pro-Family
                            > > > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro
                            > > the
                            > > > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --Alan
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- Michael wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Hey all,
                            > > > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                            > > > > political
                            > > > > > group, like the
                            > > > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall
                            > > Democrats???
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Epiko
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                            > > > > >
                            > > > >
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                          • Drew VanDyche
                            I guess when you look at it that way I can understand your perspective. I don t have a very high opinion of politics anyway, tending to think of it as a nest
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                              I guess when you look at it that way I can understand your perspective. I don't have a very
                              high opinion of politics anyway, tending to think of it as a nest of vipers. I guess that's where you have to play the innocent as doves and cunning as thieves card that is mentioned in the bible. Not my call, thank the Lord and I don't envy anyone who must deal in that world. It's like the difference between sociology and pyschology. I am more drawn to the plight of the individual, and assisted healing and wholeness through manifesting the love and life of Christ through interpersonal relationships. Politics just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

                              Thanks for being understanding.
                              Drew

                              P.S. And you're right. I'm sure that he didn't coin the term.

                              Alan Levering <ncxds2@...> wrote:
                              He may have used the term, but I doubt he coined the
                              phraase (got an article attributing this prhase to
                              him?)

                              Regardless, almost ALL laws legislate some type of
                              morality. Murder, rape and almost all crimes could be
                              "justified" under a "if it feels good, do it" type of
                              morality. This is what laws do -- they keep the wants
                              and desires of some from impinging on the rights and
                              desires of others.

                              --Alan


                              --- Drew VanDyche <vandyche@...> wrote:

                              >
                              > Alan:
                              > You may define it that way, but I don't. Roger
                              > Houtsma, Marin Christian Life (Assembly of God)
                              > Novato, CA
                              > is the one who made that statement and I certainly
                              > don't think that was his perspective.
                              > I think that his perspective is that morality begins
                              > at home.
                              >
                              > Alan Levering <ncxds2@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I think 'legislating morality" is just a buzz-word
                              > coined by those that do not want a pro-christian
                              > politcal agenda to succeed.
                              >
                              > I do not see activism by Christians as legislating
                              > morality, but preserving the rights of families to
                              > raise their children as they wish without fear of
                              > reprisal from those who disagree.
                              >
                              > --Alan
                              >
                              > --- Drew VanDyche wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              > > From my perspective legislating morality is just
                              > > another bite out of the tree of knowledge of good
                              > > and evil. Remember, the Bible said the law was
                              > > created to show us that we couldn't live it out,
                              > > that we needed a Savior.
                              > >
                              > > RichardI23 I wrote:
                              > > I think it would be very very wise for an ex gay
                              > > mamebr to start hi sor her ex gay political group.
                              > > The groups mentioned Labarberas and Bennet are not
                              > > as active in politics as theywould like. I think
                              > it
                              > > would be in the interets of someone who is brave
                              > and
                              > > knows the issues to get involved, Politics is
                              > power,
                              > > and this is the poliutcal season to make allies in
                              > > congress. You may never get an opputruinty like
                              > this
                              > > for a long time. The atmosphere in DC is preet
                              > open
                              > > to ex gay causes.
                              > >
                              > > Michael wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Thanks everyone, I guess there are more groups
                              > than
                              > > I thought I will
                              > > look at S. Bennet and P. Labarberas internet
                              > sites.
                              > > C Yuh All Soon.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Alan
                              > > Levering
                              > > wrote:
                              > > > Oops!! Good Catch BN!!
                              > > >
                              > > > --- Bridget Night
                              > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > I know PFOX has also become more political.
                              > > Every
                              > > > > May members meet with congressman in
                              > Washington
                              > > D.C.
                              > > > > for ex-gay lobby days. Check with Regina at
                              > PFOX
                              > > for
                              > > > > more information. Bridget
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: Alan Levering
                              > > > > To:
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.comogroups.com>
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:13 PM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [ExGDBd] Exgay political group
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The only well-organized one I know of is the
                              > > > > Ex-Gay
                              > > > > Special Interest Group of the National
                              > > Educational
                              > > > > Association (they made a lot of press last
                              > year
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > had an uphill battle even getting approval by
                              > > the
                              > > > > NEA
                              > > > > "powers that be"). Beyond that, it is the
                              > > > > Pro-Family
                              > > > > groups that keep are interests in the fray fro
                              > > the
                              > > > > most part (AFA, FOTF, CWFA, etc.)
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --Alan
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- Michael wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Hey all,
                              > > > > > I would like to know if there is an exgay
                              > > > > political
                              > > > > > group, like the
                              > > > > > Log Cabin Republicans or Stonewall
                              > > Democrats???
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Epiko
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > =====
                              > > > > -- In Him who leads us to the Absolute Truth,
                              > > > > Alan Levering; Founder, NCXDS Ex-Gay Internet
                              > > > > Ministries
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Web:
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > | Discussion Board:
                              > > > >
                              > > >
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                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
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