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  • Thomas Morey
    Jan 7, 2008
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      Oh, yes, Christa. It is sadly very true.

      Whatever the accuser can get a hold of to take us off
      track, so-to-speak, from our natural psychosexual
      development, the better to obtain the dark objectives
      that he has for our lives. I too have heard many
      stories about schoolyard name calling throughout my
      years as a significant factor of MOST of those who had
      eventually accepted being and self-identify as gay. I
      just wasn't one of them (this goes for sexual abuse as
      well), since apparently I "fit in" enough to avoid
      such direct name calling, despite having been
      effeminate in my late childhood and early adolescence.
      I'm sure many of my peers did use derogatory labels
      such as "F-G", when having referred to me, but I never
      was directly confronted by them with such language.
      And, yes, I was sexually propositioned by many male
      peers, as well as those older (btw, all these males
      now are "straight" and married) at this age too. But,
      I never consented, nor propositioned anyone, nor was
      forced to participate! Was this due to me being taller
      than most male peers my age at the time, and being
      athletically inclined and active? I just don't know.

      As for the Vitamin E, since a major ingredient in the
      gel caps one takes is alpha-tocopherol, that just
      makes good sense what you have said about its
      connection with increased aggressiveness and sexual
      behavior. But, I just don't know concerning any
      research on the matter. I can say that personally that
      seems to be the case, because in my early adolescence,
      before I got saved, I used to take gobs of Vitamin E
      pills daily in order to try to get rid of my
      effeminate behavior, but it just made me more horny,
      and hyper-aggressive with siblings and on the
      basketball court.

      I'll submit a post here later today about my personal
      psychosexual "derailment" experience which I just
      posted recently on Ex-Gay International's discussion
      group, after someone asked about this very thing
      there. Also, I believe you and p_csilen were
      discussing childhood arrested development issues
      concerning SSA's just recently too, so I'll try to
      address that as well in the post.

      Btw, you've been in my prayers. I hope you are feeling
      better, and the pain is now history!

      Blessings,

      Tom
      --- ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:

      > Hey Tom,
      >
      > Quick question for you - did this research suggest
      > that elevated
      > testosterone (which may be the result of too much
      > Vitamin E)
      > actually leads to aggressive sexual tendencies? I
      > just wanted to
      > make sure I understand.
      >
      > This book sounds really interesting. I also have
      > another question
      > that I wanted to address since we're on this topic.
      > I know a handful
      > of people (all males) who have SSA. All of them
      > expressed to me that
      > they were teased and labeled "f**" or another
      > similar term either
      > during latent adolescence or sometime during
      > college, when
      > their "manhood" is really blossoming. Could the
      > environmental labels
      > also affect one's hormones, or even bring about
      > one's "acceptance"
      > of his/her homosexuality? I just find it really odd
      > that all of
      > these men were teased in the same way and prior to
      > this experience,
      > all four of them say they were attracted to both
      > females and males
      > but that the "name-calling" in part led them to
      > believe that they
      > must be "gay" since it appeared so obvious to
      > everyone. Is there any
      > validity to this? I'm just stumped b/c I find this
      > to be a very
      > interesting commonality.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Christa
      >
      > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas
      > Morey
      > <moreytom@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Dear p_csilen,
      > >
      > > A great book, called "Homosexuality and the
      > Politics
      > > of Truth" by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover gives an
      > accurate
      > > overview of the research concerning the
      > possibility of
      > > any hormonal influences on same sex attractions
      > (SSA)
      > > in one of its chapters in the causation section of
      > the
      > > book.
      > >
      > > In addition, after having done a term paper in one
      > of
      > > my neuropsych classes from the early 90's on this
      > very
      > > issue, I can reassure you that if there is any
      > DIRECT
      > > influences on just homosexual behavior, in itself,
      > and
      > > not significantly altering the direction of one's
      > > sexual behavior, it is due rather to having too
      > much
      > > testosterone, and/or its derivative,
      > alpha-tocopherol,
      > > rather than not enough. This is found to be true
      > not
      > > only among animals, but also those who take
      > > performance-enhancing steroidal drugs! Actually,
      > it is
      > > more indicative of just a heightened frequency of
      > > aggressive and sexual behavior, and not just
      > > homosexual acts.
      > >
      > > As for any possible INDIRECT, or predispositional
      > > influences, there is particular theoretical
      > aspects of
      > > the Geschwind theory, among others, that only
      > during
      > > the later prenatal stages of growth,
      > hormonalization
      > > of cortex development of the brain does indeed
      > have a
      > > bearing on personality and specializaton of
      > abilities,
      > > which may lead then to homosexual inclinational
      > > development when it is concomitant with the
      > necessary
      > > and classic psychosexual influences from one's
      > > familial environment. It is believed that more
      > > testosteronal-like neurochemical effects lead to
      > more
      > > specialization of the brain (i.e., in general,
      > > sociobiologists state that males are believed to
      > be
      > > more likely to have less development in verbal
      > regions
      > > of the cortex and more in spatial relations than
      > > females). In general, females are believed by them
      > to
      > > have more of an integrated, or neurochemically
      > > consolidated, cortical system. And, studies
      > concerning
      > > specialization of abilities and tasks do seem to
      > > indicate that self-identified SSA'd adult males
      > are
      > > much more like their female counterparts, rather
      > than
      > > other males. But, other specialists in the field
      > say
      > > that this may be because of post-natal, acquired
      > > behavior, even in our adulthood, since our
      > behaviors
      > > do indeed continually have significant effect on
      > > various aspects of the brain. Plus, there was no
      > > significant differences found between
      > self-identified
      > > SSA's women and other women, nor significant
      > > similarities between SSA'd women and men in
      > general.
      > >
      > > It does appear that it is widely accepted by those
      > in
      > > neuropsychology that particular hormonal effects
      > on
      > > the brain rather have alot more to do with
      > > hermaphroditism and other biologically based
      > sexual
      > > disorders, and not as much on psychosexual
      > > development.
      > >
      > > I hope this helps.
      > >
      > > Blessings,
      > >
      > > Tom
      > >
      > >
      > > --- p_csilen <p_csilen@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > > I saw my doctor today, and I got back the
      > results of
      > > > my blood work.
      > > > Except for my triglicerides being a little too
      > high
      > > > everything looked
      > > > pretty good. There was one result that stood
      > out. My
      > > > testosterone
      > > > levels were excedingly low. My doctor said that
      > this
      > > > might or might
      > > > not be a result of my malfunctioning pancrius,
      > but
      > > > it has a lot to do
      > > > with my inability to lose weight. So, she gave
      > me a
      > > > testosterone
      > > > shot. I asked my doctor if I could have had low
      > > > testosterone levels
      > > > all of my life. She said yes. I also told my
      > doctor
      > > > that I had been a
      > > > part of the gay live for twenty years, and asked
      > if
      > > > this could be a
      > > > contributing factor? She told me that there are
      > > > different schools of
      > > > thought on this matter, but it is certainly a
      > > > possibility. My doctor
      > > > was very impressed over the fact that I had left
      > the
      > > > life, and it
      > > > turned out that she was a Christian too. We
      > > > discussed the situation
      > > > in great length. She told me that The Lord has
      > > > forgiven and forgotten
      > > > the sins, and its time that I do the same. She's
      > > > right. That is
      > > > easier said than done when I can't be out in
      > public
      > > > or watch TV
      > > > without finding myself cruising.
      > > >
      > > > But I wonder. Could there be any credence to the
      > > > hormone level
      > > > theory, or is it what I have been told all my
      > > > Christian life. "This
      > > > is God's judgement against Him. Therefore I am
      > > > getting my just
      > > > deserts!"
      > > >
      > > > I have come to a place in life where I have had
      > to
      >
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