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  • Joiner Rex
    Thanks Chuck. On that note we certainly can agree - God is love. Thanks. ________________________________ From: MrChuk@aol.com To:
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      Thanks Chuck. On that note we certainly can agree - God is love. Thanks.




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      From: "MrChuk@..." <MrChuk@...>
      To: exexgayministry@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: rexjoiner@...
      Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 2:02:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [ExExGayMinistry] Re: Greetings and Blessings to all!


      Jerry,
      It will never be my intent to persuade/argue with you one way or the other
      about the Scriptures. I offer resources with the hope that they will help
      you find your own peace/answers.

      My journey o peace took me all my adult life. I've come to the
      conclusion in my old age... regardless of what we all "think" about the Bible, God,
      Jesus, etc.... if one can accept the bottom line.. that "GOD IS LOVE"...
      then all the rest are just moot points for arguments sake. And, I've learned
      to trust and have faith that regardless of it all, God loves me and will
      take care of me in the end. Takes away a lot of pressure for sure.

      I've attended Bob Jones University, graduated from a Baptist College and
      been involved in conservative/ fundamentalism most of my life and I've been
      taught so much scripture interpretations that it now wears on my mind....
      I've just learned to "let go and let God" and for me, that has brought my
      peace.

      I hope you find yours.

      Hugz,
      Chuk


      In a message dated 11/8/2009 7:19:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
      rexjoiner@yahoo. com writes:

      Thanks Chuck for the resources. But I'm still one of those on the fence on
      this issue. For example, whether the Bible ever mentions the word
      "homosexual" or any of its forms seems to be totally irrelevant to the discussion.
      And one person in his article says the law was given to us to prove we
      couldn't keep it - something like that - I don't remember the exact wording. But
      the Bible says, "The law was our school master to bring us onto Christ..."
      then goes on to say "we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Thanks Chuck
      for the resources. But I'm still one of those on the fence on this issue. For
      example, whether the Bible ever mentions the word "homosexual" or any of
      its forms seems to be totally irrelevant to the discussion. And one person
      in his article says the law was given

      Having said that, if indeed the Bible (the whole Bible, rightly-divided)
      is the Word of God, then I would just like to find out what it teaches, not
      try to say that just because the word "homosexual" doesn't appear in the
      Bible, this simply means that God was never talking about sexual acts between
      people who loved each other whenever he talked about prohibited sexual
      acts. And just to explain it all away by saying it only had to do with temple
      prostitution, nothing else. By that definition, it would perfectly ok with
      God if unmarried people had sexual relations with other unmarried people,
      as long as they are both willing partners, even if they have 100 partners
      before they get married. But once they are married, they are bound only to
      each other. Is that what some of these people believe?

      Trying to understand,

      Jerry in Michigan

      As a gay man, I'd love to embrace that part of me. But so far the
      arguments are very far-fetched and puny. You've got to come up with some things far
      more convincing than that, in my opinion.

      ____________ _________ _________ __
      From: "_MrChuk@aol. com_ (mailto:MrChuk@...) " <_MrChuk@aol. com_
      (mailto:MrChuk@...) >
      To: _exexgayministry@ exexgayminisexe_
      (mailto:exexgayministry@ yahoogroups. com)
      Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2009 1:24:12 AM
      Subject: Re: [ExExGayMinistry] Re: Greetings and Blessings to all!

      Some resources that have been helpful.
      Chuck

      _'Ex-Gay' Conversions_
      (_http://www.lionking_ (http://www.lionking/) .org/~kovu/
      bible/section10. html)
      _Conversion Therapy_ (_http://burr._ (http://burr./) kent.edu/ stories/m_
      praythegay. html)
      _Christian & Gay_ (_http://www.spiritua_ (http://www.spiritua/)
      lfruits.com/ homopages. html)
      _Homosexuality and The Bible_
      (_http://www.lionking _ (http://www.lionking /) .org/~kovu/ bible/toc.
      html)
      _Dispelling the Myths_
      (_http://www.gaysouth_ (http://www.gaysouth/) africa.org.
      za/homosexuality /dispel.asp)

      In a message dated 11/5/2009 10:51:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
      ad4071@yahoo. com writes:

      Hello,

      I am a "newbie" here too, but I wanted to greet you and tell you I am
      looking forward to hearing from you.

      When you say you "struggle" this reminds me that this is something I have
      been thinking about for some time. If we are struggling, it seems like
      something is not quite right. Jesus Himself said His yoke is easy and His
      burden is light. (Matt. 11:30) That doesn't sound like a struggle to me.

      1 Timothy 6:12 talks about fighting the good fight of faith. So, if I am
      right, our "struggle" is only one of faith and God does the rest. So, when
      I
      did all the struggling, I think I was attempting to do something that was
      God's work in the first place.

      I am still not resolute in where all this gels, but I know my past beliefs
      of guilt, struggling and not being able to reconcile my same sex
      attraction with my faith, kept me away from God rather than trying to seek
      Him and
      His truth. There is so much I don't know and still don't have the answers
      to, but I know that any teaching that keeps me from seeking God, can't be
      right. I was taught that God would have nothing to do with me when I "act
      out"
      and am no-repentant of my acting out. This resulted in me completely
      shutting myself off from God, His Word and any fellowship with other
      believers.
      This teaching didn't mean I was supposed to never "act out" again, but it
      did mean I was supposed to have the intent and will to not do it again.

      Even (and maybe especially) when we are in our sinful, fallen state, I
      know God wants us to turn to Him and seek His truth. I was avoiding Him
      completely. No prayer, no Bible study and no fellowship with other
      believers. How
      can a sick person get better when they won't go near a Physician?

      "When Jesus heard that, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need
      of a physician, but those who are sick."
      (Matthew 9:12 NKJV)

      Please keep posting and hopefully our struggle will be resolved.

      Blessings,
      Alan

      --- In _exexgayministry@ exexgayminisexe_
      (mailto:exexgaymini (mailto:exexgaym ini<WBR>stry@ yahoogroups.
      com<VeritatisAmor@ Ver> wrote:
      >
      > A very good friend of mine let me to this site. He told me that my
      assistance could benefit this site. I myself struggle a great deal with
      personal
      orientation. I have for years sought out support and assistance which was
      at times a blessing but others grief, hardships, and pain. I found my name
      to be the source of detraction both on the internet and clergy circles. I
      have a few clergymen in my area who view it their God given duty to cause
      me
      suffering Ironically, I feel there are just big closeted queens. Its like
      being a former drug addict, alcholic, etc. You change one addiction for
      another.
      > I am blessed.I live one day at a time. I hope to hear from you all and
      help in any way that I can. I am blessed to have the friend that pointed
      me
      out to this group. As we are all seeking to be happy and whole. Hugs from
      the Delta and to all my brothers in the deep south!
      >

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