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  • David <ncrentacop@yahoo.com>
    I was raised in the pentecostal tradition of things, and holiness at that. (Holiness pentecostalism is a whole other group, lol). I preached my first sermon at
    Message 1 of 3 , Jan 11, 2003
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      I was raised in the pentecostal tradition of things, and holiness
      at that. (Holiness pentecostalism is a whole other group, lol).
      I preached my first sermon at the age of 16. Graduated high school
      and went off to JImmy Swaggart Bible College. Anyone having
      nightmares yet, I was actually there when JImmy made his tearful
      confession. Anyhow, I won't bore you with all the details but I went
      through it all exodus, counseling, therapy, reparative therapy,
      healing of memories, positive confession, DENIAL, and everything else
      that I can think of short of hypnotism. Oh yeah, exorcism too.
      Anyhow do you want to know how well it worked, it didn't. It just
      caused me to hate myself and be really ticked off at God. I don't
      know where I really am with God right now, I don't belive I am going
      to hell for being gay, infact the concept of hell has even gotten
      difficult for me right now. Oh well enough ranting if anyone has any
      questions just ask.

      David
    • nyguy_1225
      David, thanks for sharing a portion of your testimony. As I ve watched over the years I ve seen three scenarios that generally occur for Christian people
      Message 2 of 3 , Jan 12, 2003
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        David, thanks for sharing a portion of your testimony. As I've
        watched over the years I've seen three scenarios that generally
        occur for Christian people exposed to "ex-gay" theology. They
        ultimately either: (1) spend their lives repressing and denying
        their sexuality without ever learning to live an honest and
        authentic life before God, man and themselves -- and we've see the
        horrendous results that yields, or (2) they come to eventually
        realize that the "ex-gay" myth is indeed a myth and and in
        disappointment, hurt, pressure and/or anger they leave the church
        and their faith altogether -- another unfortunate choice, or (3)
        they learn to integrate their faith and their sexuality in a
        responsible manner realizing that homosexually-oriented people, like
        heterosexually-oriented people, don't need to repent of their
        sexuality but rather of their sinful responses to them. I would
        hope you'll be among the latter. Our faith is much too rich to give
        up for those too arrogant or ignorant to understand or concede to
        the possibility than the Bible and the God who inspired it may be a
        little more gracious and inclusive than their doctrinal prejudices
        will allow.

        --- In exexgayministry@yahoogroups.com, "David <ncrentacop@y...>"
        <ncrentacop@y...> wrote:
        >
        > I was raised in the pentecostal tradition of things, and holiness
        > at that. (Holiness pentecostalism is a whole other group, lol).
        > I preached my first sermon at the age of 16. Graduated high school
        > and went off to JImmy Swaggart Bible College. Anyone having
        > nightmares yet, I was actually there when JImmy made his tearful
        > confession. Anyhow, I won't bore you with all the details but I
        went
        > through it all exodus, counseling, therapy, reparative therapy,
        > healing of memories, positive confession, DENIAL, and everything
        else
        > that I can think of short of hypnotism. Oh yeah, exorcism too.
        > Anyhow do you want to know how well it worked, it didn't. It
        just
        > caused me to hate myself and be really ticked off at God. I don't
        > know where I really am with God right now, I don't belive I am
        going
        > to hell for being gay, infact the concept of hell has even gotten
        > difficult for me right now. Oh well enough ranting if anyone has
        any
        > questions just ask.
        >
        > David
      • BearJER@Juno.com
        David, I came through the pentecostal and charismatic circles, but in my case I had more of a positive experience overall. I had already come out of a
        Message 3 of 3 , Jan 24, 2003
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          David, I came through the pentecostal and charismatic circles, but in my
          case I had more of a positive experience overall. I had already come out
          of a legalistic denominational setting when I accepted the baptism of the
          Holy Spirit, so I learned how to quickly identify a lot of the legalism
          that was present in the charismatic and pentecostal circles. I went to
          hear Jimmy Swaggart in revival several times and so it bothered me a lot
          when he criticized Jim and Tammy Bakker as much as he did and yet he was
          doing the same or worse with his problems.

          Anyway, I hope you will be able to not throw the baby out with the bath
          water, so to speak. There is no better worship than what you can
          experience with people who believe in laying aside their inhibitions and
          worshipping God with their whole heart, despite their own failures. But
          you need to find a non-legalistic body of believers to worship with, if
          you haven't yet found that type of group. As far as hell is concerned,
          the Bible talks about hell as lasting forever. However, if you do a
          study from the original languages, that word forever has a literal
          translation of "to the ages of ages." The cities of Sodom and Gommorrah
          in the Bible are spoken of as "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
          Well, it is clear that Sodom and Gomorrah are not still burning today.
          So, regardless of whether hell will be a literal place where the wicked
          will be placed, I don't believe that a just God has people burning up
          continually forever and ever. That doesn't make sense and the punishment
          would not fit the crime. The scripture talks about "eternal punishment,"
          not "eternal punishing." That would be eternal life also, which is not
          promised to those who deliberately turn their back on God.

          Just remember, God loves you unconditionally.

          Jerry

          On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:34:13 -0000 "David <ncrentacop@...>"
          <ncrentacop@...> writes:
          >
          > I was raised in the pentecostal tradition of things, and holiness
          > at that. (Holiness pentecostalism is a whole other group, lol).
          > I preached my first sermon at the age of 16. Graduated high school
          > and went off to JImmy Swaggart Bible College. Anyone having
          > nightmares yet, I was actually there when JImmy made his tearful
          > confession. Anyhow, I won't bore you with all the details but I
          > went
          > through it all exodus, counseling, therapy, reparative therapy,
          > healing of memories, positive confession, DENIAL, and everything
          > else
          > that I can think of short of hypnotism. Oh yeah, exorcism too.
          > Anyhow do you want to know how well it worked, it didn't. It just
          >
          > caused me to hate myself and be really ticked off at God. I don't
          > know where I really am with God right now, I don't belive I am going
          >
          > to hell for being gay, infact the concept of hell has even gotten
          > difficult for me right now. Oh well enough ranting if anyone has
          > any
          > questions just ask.
          >
          > David
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