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  • nyguy_1225
    1 Corinthians 6:9 Here we have Paul s reference to the �����malakoi����� and �����arsenokoitai����� which in the English NIV are translated as �����male
    Message 1 of 2165 , Dec 6, 2001
      1 Corinthians 6:9<br><br>Here we have Paul's
      reference to the �malakoi� and �arsenokoitai� which in the
      English NIV are translated as �male prostitutes� and
      �homosexual offenders,� respectively. <br><br>Biblical
      scholar Robin Scroggs explains, �Paul is thinking about
      pederasty�� and adds, [other than cult prostitution] �there
      was no other form of male homosexuality in the
      Greco-Roman world which could come to mind.� Ancient sources
      indicate that the �malakoi� were �effeminate call boys.�
      Though Paul seems to have coined �arsenokoitai,� it
      probably refers to the call boy's or the �male
      prostitute's� customers, though its original meaning is
      unknown.<br><br>Evangelical NT scholar Gordon D. Fee says, �Both terms are
      difficult.� He states, �One cannot be sure what [malakoi]
      means.� Of arsenokoitai, Fee says, �This is its first
      appearance in preserved literature, and subsequent authors
      are reluctant to use it, especially when describing
      homosexual activity.� Even The Fundamentalist Journal
      admits, �These words are difficult to translate.� Tony
      Campolo says of this Greek word, �Nobody knows what the
      word means,� and adds, �Interestingly enough, up until
      the fourteenth century it was translated as
      masturbation.�<br><br>In addition, the term �homosexuality� was only
      coined one century ago in 1892 and prior to this was not
      used in any translations of the Bible. Harper's Bible
      Dictionary says of homosexuality: �a word for which there is
      no specific equivalent in the Hebrew OT or the Greek
      NT, since the concept itself as well as the English
      word, originated only in the nineteenth
      century.�<br><br>Paul's main point, however, if you read the passage in
      context, is crystal clear: Christians who slander and sue
      each other in pagan courts are just as shameful as the
      malakoi and arsenokoitai, whatever these were. It's
      ironic that today, Christians who don't think twice
      about taking each other to court, rush right on by
      Paul's main argument against that in order to use this
      text to attack gay people. <br><br>The other kind of
      pederasty in Paul's day was that of the slave �pet boys�
      who were sexually exploited by adult male owners.
      Unlike male homosexual attraction today -- in which
      perceived masculinity is prized -- the desired features in
      these boys were their resemblance to females. They were
      either pre-pubescent or at least without beards so that
      they seemed like females. At the same time they were
      not actually �inferior� females within the society of
      �superior� males in a male-dominated culture. The men were
      not running after men for sex but were using these
      boys as substitutes for women. Men of leisure had
      wives for dowries, procreation and rearing of their
      heirs. They had �pet boys� and �call boys� for sex. In 1
      Timothy 1:10, Paul lists male prostitutes (�pornois�),
      their customers? (�arsenokoitai�), and the slave
      dealers who procured the prostitutes.
    • Frank Marasco
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      Message 2165 of 2165 , Aug 10, 2003
        --- Paul Jackson <rembrandtjackson@...>
        wrote:
        > I would be most interested in such a study as well.
        > You can send it to this email address if you like. I
        > would most appreciate it.
        >
        > In His Service,
        >
        > Paul
        >
        > nunya <francesfarmer19@...> wrote:
        > I would also be interested in reading something like
        > this. Please send to francesfarmer19@...
        > THANKS!!!
        > ----- Original Message -----
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        > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:41 AM
        > Subject: [ExExGayMinistry] Re: Undoing ex-gay
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        > "Should you beinterested, I would be more than happy
        > to send you by e-
        > mail,a very serious study on homosexuality which has
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        > Yes I am interested. Appreciate if you can email me.
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        Thanks,
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