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  • pgreenleaf
    Hurray! Success with the email to the group! I had been trying to ask or an opinion about antivirus. I m trying to decide between Panda and Norton, and have
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      Hurray! Success with the email to the group!
      I had been trying to ask or an opinion about antivirus. I'm trying to decide between Panda and Norton, and have one or two others to look at. any advice? I run XP home edition and often don't come online for a week (from home) so have to remind myself to the antivirus updates... I don't suppose there is any worthwhile antivirus for free is there.
      Paddy



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    • vstevens@emirates.net.ae
      You can have a look at this page http://www.vancestevens.com/weirdos.htm But I haven t really checked into the free stuff since a couple of years ago. I use
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        You can have a look at this page
        http://www.vancestevens.com/weirdos.htm

        But I haven't really checked into the free stuff since a couple of
        years ago.

        I use Norton Internet Security firewall and antivirus now.
        Worth the money I think.

        I lost a hdd recently to a combination Zone Alarm and McAfee.
        Something got in and switched ZA off. Whatever it was also prevented
        us from updating our spyware. Not sure which program was on duty at
        the time but I've dismissed them both.

        Vance


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        From: pgreenleaf <op112698d@...>
        Date: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:45 am
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        > Hurray! Success with the email to the group!
        > I had been trying to ask or an opinion about antivirus. I'm trying
        > to decide between Panda and Norton, and have one or two others to
        > look at. any advice? I run XP home edition and often don't come
        > online for a week (from home) so have to remind myself to the
        > antivirus updates... I don't suppose there is any worthwhile
        > antivirus for free is there.
        > Paddy
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      • Dafne
        Hi Paddy, I have been using Norton for years and it is really good. It has the LiveUpdate and it updates everytime there are new virus definitions, you can
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          Hi Paddy,

          I have been using Norton for years and it is really good. It has the LiveUpdate and it updates everytime there are new virus definitions, you can also do it manually.

          Re Panda, I used it for a while in Spain and it was chaotic. I started to have frozen screens, programs that would not work, and I did not know the reason until a colleague told me to uninstall Panda, I did and all the problems solved, that's when I migrated to Norton.

          My 2 € cents,

          Daf




          ----- Original Message -----
          From: pgreenleaf <op112698d@...>
          Date: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:45 am
          Subject: [evonline2002_webheads] antivirus, etc

          > Hurray! Success with the email to the group!
          > I had been trying to ask or an opinion about antivirus. I'm trying
          > to decide between Panda and Norton, and have one or two others to
          > look at. any advice? I run XP home edition and often don't come
          > online for a week (from home) so have to remind myself to the
          > antivirus updates... I don't suppose there is any worthwhile
          > antivirus for free is there.
          > Paddy
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        • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
          Hi, Paddy! Yes, there is. AVG!!! http://www.grisoft.com The free edition works very well and does automatic updates. You should also have Adaware -
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            Hi, Paddy!

            Yes, there is. AVG!!!
            http://www.grisoft.com

            The free edition works very well and does automatic updates.

            You should also have Adaware - anti-spyware -, which is also free.

            Teresa


            ... I don't suppose there is any worthwhile antivirus for free is there.
            > Paddy
          • elderbob
            Since much of this thread has had to do with malware, I thought I would send this on. I copied this from a subscribed newsletter, so I am probably breaking
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              Since much of this thread has had to do with malware, I thought I would
              send this on. I copied this from a subscribed newsletter, so I am
              probably breaking several copyright laws by copying this article and
              printing it here, but I am going to give my source and I left the
              copyright notice intact. I think it is a very thoughtful and
              informatiive read and one that everyone needs to take a look at.

              The article is from www.eweek.com. You are welcome to go there and sign
              up for their free newsletter and have it deliverd in print or on the
              net. There are also several RSS feeds from the same site. Here is the
              article:
              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              *The Many Faces of Spyware*
              June 21, 2005

              By Paul F. Roberts

              They have innocuous-sounding names—ShopAtHomeSelect, CoolWebSearch,
              Searchex, IEDriver—and are called many things: spyware, adware, scumware
              or the euphemistic PUPs (for "potentially unwanted programs"). But
              there's no disputing that, by any label, programs that monitor users'
              online behavior, legally or illegally, are a big business and a big
              headache for computer users and IT administrators.

              Spyware is a $2 billion-a-year industry, according to Webroot Software
              Inc., judging from rough estimates of the number of adware installations
              and the amount of money generated by each installation. It's an industry
              girded by business relationships that tie legitimate advertisers to
              online marketing companies, small application vendors, Web site
              operators and shadowy online groups with iniquitous ties. The industry
              is a Wild West of aggressive marketing, loose oversight and big
              profits—all flowing from consumer behavior and the surreptitious
              programs that track, mine and shape that behavior.

              A drive-by site taps an exploit to infect PCs with malware. _Click here_
              to read more.

              Cleaning up the spyware economy will be a challenge, experts say.
              Enterprises face an explosion of spyware and adware that threatens
              compliance efforts and intellectual property. As with anti-spam
              legislation, anti-spyware laws working their way through Congress won't
              fix the problem by themselves. While regulators and the high-tech
              industry seek solutions, organized online crime groups are using spyware
              to fuel an epidemic of identity theft and online fraud.

              At Family Credit Counseling Service, in Rockford, Ill., spyware became a
              big problem in the last 12 months, said Joshua Beard, a technical
              support specialist at the nonprofit organization, which provides
              financial counseling services to individuals.

              "It started with those little search bars that come up, which were an
              annoyance more than anything," Beard said. The problem escalated into a
              major IT headache in the last six months, as the spyware and adware
              infections multiplied and began causing more damage.

              eWEEK's Editorial Board claims we need a spyware law. _Click here_ to
              read its view.

              Technicians for the San Lorenzo Unified School District, in California,
              had a similar story, said Art Cipriano, director of IT. "We were
              continuously receiving work orders to fix slow computers and getting
              panic calls of pop-ups taking over computers," Cipriano said. "Many
              times, [the computers] were so severely infected we ended up just
              [reformatting] them."

              About one-third of application crashes reported to Microsoft Corp., in
              Redmond, Wash., are caused by spyware, according to Brendan Foley,
              senior product manager of Microsoft's Windows Antispyware group.

              How does spyware make its way onto all those networks? IT staff at most
              organizations that have had to battle the pernicious programs, including
              Family Credit and SLUSD, admit that they don't know.

              Spyware is typically distributed with other programs in installation
              bundles, such as freeware and computer games. Those bundles might be
              downloaded directly from an adware vendor's Web site or from an
              affiliate Web site, experts say.

              Advertisers recoil from dubious online marketing tactics. _Click here_
              to read more.

              Direct Revenue LLC, of New York, an online marketing company, has more
              than 20 million installations of its three ad programs—Aurora, Ceres and
              SolidPeer—mostly through bundling arrangements with P2P (peer-to-peer)
              software and "a slew" of other consumer programs, such as instant
              messaging smiley-face enhancements, Web browser tool bars, and clock and
              weather programs, downloaded from Direct Revenue affiliate sites,
              according to J.P. Maheu, Direct Revenue's CEO.

              Claria Corp., in Redwood City, Calif., also an online marketer, had
              software running on 40 million desktops at the end of last year,
              according to Reed Freeman, Claria's chief privacy officer.

              Bundling relationships benefit both sides. Application vendors such as
              Kazaa P2P maker Sharman Networks Ltd. collect fees from adware vendors
              for each installation, and adware vendors, such as Claria, ride the
              popularity of the third-party software onto users' PCs.

              Adware and spyware bundling deals are often too good to ignore, even for
              companies that might look askance at helping to distribute spyware and
              adware programs, said Ben Edelman, a Harvard University Law School
              student and an expert on spyware. "Kazaa comes with stuff because Gator
              [Claria] pays $1 per install," Edelman said. "If that was [5 cents],
              Kazaa would think of something else."

              The adware money is also enticing to the thousands of small-business
              owners who operate many of the affiliate Web sites, especially if the
              site owner doesn't understand the technical details of how adware works,
              said Anne Fognano of Leesburg, Va., who runs Clevermoms.com,
              Cleverbabies. com and Cleverdads.com.

              "People who are educated about the problem do the right thing, but there
              are people who will run anything if it makes a buck," Fognano said.

              But pay-per-install commissions are also fueling a scourge of sites that
              execute drive-by downloads, depositing wares on users' computers without
              warning or consent, said David Moll, CEO of anti-spyware company Webroot
              Software, in Boulder, Colo. Drive-by-download sites use software
              exploits, often targeting holes in Microsoft's porous Internet Explorer
              browser, to push Java and ActiveX code to vulnerable machines, Moll said.

              Often, those sites install software that is clearly malicious, such as
              Trojan horse back-door programs, viruses and keyloggers. Just as often,
              however, legitimate adware programs are part of the package,
              anti-spyware experts say.

              An analysis in April of one drive-by-download site showed how Java code
              was used to silently install a gaggle of adware from 180Solutions and
              its competitor, Integrated Search Technologies, including such
              ad-delivery wares as 180Search Assistant, ISTbar, PowerScan and
              SideFind, all without displaying end-user licensing agreements,
              according to a post on Spywareguide. com by Jan Hertsens and Wayne Porter.

              With networks of thousands or tens of thousands of affiliates, online
              marketers said it's hard to stay on top of all sites distributing their
              wares. That lack of oversight may already be breeding shadow networks of
              corrupt affiliates, experts warn.

              Roger Thompson, director of malicious-content research at Computer
              Associates International Inc., of Islandia, N.Y., said he has noted the
              appearance, in recent months, of complex networks of shell Web sites
              that he believes are designed to pull in Web surfers from Internet
              search engines and download malicious code.

              The collections of hundreds or even thousands of registered Web domains,
              which Thompson likens to "spiders' nests," all link to one IP address
              that uses exploits, such as the Internet Explorer iFrame exploit, to
              install malicious code, often with different bundles of programs each
              day, he said.

              Thompson said he believes that adware vendors are benefiting from the
              drive-by downloads and that commissions from the adware vendors could be
              channeled to shadowy, possibly criminal, groups that sponsor the Web
              pages. "There are so many people involved, and the sites change so
              often—with new partners every day—it's very hard to tell where it's all
              going," he said.

              Widespread distributions of adware and spyware pose a major problem for
              companies in such regulated industries as financial services and health
              care, said Webroot's Moll. "How can a financial services company be
              compliant with [the] Gramm-Leach-Bliley [Act] if they have keyloggers on
              their machines?" he asked. "How can a health care institution be
              compliant with HIPAA [Health Insurance Portability and Accountability
              Act] if they have Trojans?"

              Executives at leading online marketing companies said their affiliate
              agreements prohibit drive-by downloads or installations that aren't
              specifically user-authorized. "I can tell you we have a strict set of
              rules [about disclosure], and we're removing distributors who are found
              to not be in compliance with our policies," said Direct Revenue's Maheu.
              Direct Revenue said it has terminated contracts with six distributor
              partners in the last 12 months, but it declined to name the partners,
              citing "legal reasons."

              180Solutions is policing its network of 7,000 to 10,000 affiliate sites,
              according to Dan Todd, 180's president and co-founder, although the
              company declined to list specific actions it has taken, aside from a
              single July 2004 lawsuit against Aztec Marketing Solutions Ltd., which
              accused the affiliate of using drive-by downloads.

              But pressure from outside the adware industry is the most likely agent
              of change in the spyware business. Two federal anti-spyware bills
              covering certain installation, removal and monitoring behaviors, as well
              as disclosure requirements, recently passed the U.S. House of
              Representatives, and lawmakers are optimistic that some anti-spyware
              legislation may be signed into law by year's end, according to Rep. Mary
              Bono, R-Calif., who co-authored HR 29, also called the Spy Act.

              Other players in the adware and spyware food chain are also taking steps
              to cut down on the prevalence of the programs. Commission Junction Inc.,
              a 70,000-member Web site affiliate network based in Santa Barbara,
              Calif., recently banned 180Solutions affiliates from its network and
              told members they could not distribute third-party software without
              explicit approval from Commission Junction, according to company officials.

              LinkShare Corp., another affiliate marketing network, is also asking
              affiliates to reapply so that their sites can be vetted, said Shawn
              Collins of Summit, N.J., an authority on affiliate networking. Still, IT
              administrators are skeptical that new laws and pressure from advertisers
              will make much of a difference when it comes to ending the spyware and
              adware problem. "As with spam, a lot of this stuff comes from overseas,"
              said Family Credit's Beard. "You can't really legislate what's going on."

              Administrators are looking to other means, such as anti-spyware software
              and switching from such vulnerable platforms as Windows and IE. At the
              University of Toledo, in Ohio, for example, administrators are
              encouraging use of browsers other than IE and are evaluating Apple
              Computer Inc.'s new Apple Mini for no other reason than to end spyware
              infections, said Joe Sawasky, interim CIO at the university.

              Beard said he is exploring the use of the Firefox browser at his
              organization. "I don't really know if there's a big fix. As long as
              people keep writing software to get around what's out there trying to
              block it, there will always be new problems," he said.

              Copyright (c) 2005 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved.

              Additional reads:

              * Do Google Ads help fund Spyware -
              http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1825983,00.asp
              * We Need a Spyware Law =
              http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1827950,00.asp
              * A drive by site taps an exploit to infect PC’s with malware -
              http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1829174,00.asp
              * Advertisers Leery of Marketers Methods -
              http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1829175,00.asp
              * Larry Seltzer’s Security Weblog - http://blog.ziffdavis.com/seltzer

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              elderbob

              PS. Vance, I had similar problems but found that it was just a virus
              that had shut off the Norton and passed by the Zone Alarm. There are
              several viruses out there that operate in that manner. The first time
              your virus program fails to update, it is time to do a scan to see if
              something has invaded your machine. Remember, just because you have
              contracted a virus, does not mean that it has actually executed it's
              "run" files yet. Being observant about your machine may keep you from
              being further infected and allow you to get rid of the virus before it
              can do more damage. The same is somewhat true of malware, in that if you
              notice a slowing down of programs, it is a good time to run a full scan
              of your system. In my opinion, there are some malware or spywares, that
              are more difficult to get rid of than viruses. And further, according to
              the article above, there are folks out there that are being paid to
              sabotage your machine...so be careful of where you go, what you read and
              for sure, what you download.

              I will probably regret saying this but, if a software is not listed at
              the opensource website, and it is free, then there is a very good chance
              that it is carrying a malware. If you choose to still download, be sure
              your anti virus and anti-malware programs are in place and are running.
              Some that is free and looks that good , is probably not free at all.

              vstevens@... wrote:

              > You can have a look at this page
              > http://www.vancestevens.com/weirdos.htm
              >
              > But I haven't really checked into the free stuff since a couple of
              > years ago.
              >
              > I use Norton Internet Security firewall and antivirus now.
              > Worth the money I think.
              >
              > I lost a hdd recently to a combination Zone Alarm and McAfee.
              > Something got in and switched ZA off. Whatever it was also prevented
              > us from updating our spyware. Not sure which program was on duty at
              > the time but I've dismissed them both.
              >
              > Vance
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: pgreenleaf <op112698d@...>
              > Date: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:45 am
              > Subject: [evonline2002_webheads] antivirus, etc
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              > > Hurray! Success with the email to the group!
              > > I had been trying to ask or an opinion about antivirus. I'm trying
              > > to decide between Panda and Norton, and have one or two others to
              > > look at. any advice? I run XP home edition and often don't come
              > > online for a week (from home) so have to remind myself to the
              > > antivirus updates... I don't suppose there is any worthwhile
              > > antivirus for free is there.
              > > Paddy
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            • pgreenleaf
              Thank you Webheads for the very well informed and varied answers to my inquiry. Will tell you what I decide on! Have already got the Adaware - anti-spyware,
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                Thank you Webheads for the very well informed and varied answers to my inquiry. Will tell you what I decide on! Have already got the Adaware - anti-spyware, thanks Teresa.
                Elderbob, thanks also for the artucle will read when I get a mo'.
                All the best,
                Paddy

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                From: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com on behalf of elderbob
                Sent: Thu 30/06/2005 20:48
                To: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] antivirus, etc



                Since much of this thread has had to do with malware, I thought I would
                send this on. I copied this from a subscribed newsletter, so I am
                probably breaking several copyright laws by copying this article and
                printing it here, but I am going to give my source and I left the
                copyright notice intact. I think it is a very thoughtful and
                informatiive read and one that everyone needs to take a look at.

                The article is from www.eweek.com. You are welcome to go there and sign
                up for their free newsletter and have it deliverd in print or on the
                net. There are also several RSS feeds from the same site. Here is the
                article:
                ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                *The Many Faces of Spyware*
                June 21, 2005

                By Paul F. Roberts

                They have innocuous-sounding names-ShopAtHomeSelect, CoolWebSearch,
                Searchex, IEDriver-and are called many things: spyware, adware, scumware
                or the euphemistic PUPs (for "potentially unwanted programs"). But
                there's no disputing that, by any label, programs that monitor users'
                online behavior, legally or illegally, are a big business and a big
                headache for computer users and IT administrators.

                Spyware is a $2 billion-a-year industry, according to Webroot Software
                Inc., judging from rough estimates of the number of adware installations
                and the amount of money generated by each installation. It's an industry
                girded by business relationships that tie legitimate advertisers to
                online marketing companies, small application vendors, Web site
                operators and shadowy online groups with iniquitous ties. The industry
                is a Wild West of aggressive marketing, loose oversight and big
                profits-all flowing from consumer behavior and the surreptitious
                programs that track, mine and shape that behavior.

                A drive-by site taps an exploit to infect PCs with malware. _Click here_
                to read more.

                Cleaning up the spyware economy will be a challenge, experts say.
                Enterprises face an explosion of spyware and adware that threatens
                compliance efforts and intellectual property. As with anti-spam
                legislation, anti-spyware laws working their way through Congress won't
                fix the problem by themselves. While regulators and the high-tech
                industry seek solutions, organized online crime groups are using spyware
                to fuel an epidemic of identity theft and online fraud.

                At Family Credit Counseling Service, in Rockford, Ill., spyware became a
                big problem in the last 12 months, said Joshua Beard, a technical
                support specialist at the nonprofit organization, which provides
                financial counseling services to individuals.

                "It started with those little search bars that come up, which were an
                annoyance more than anything," Beard said. The problem escalated into a
                major IT headache in the last six months, as the spyware and adware
                infections multiplied and began causing more damage.

                eWEEK's Editorial Board claims we need a spyware law. _Click here_ to
                read its view.

                Technicians for the San Lorenzo Unified School District, in California,
                had a similar story, said Art Cipriano, director of IT. "We were
                continuously receiving work orders to fix slow computers and getting
                panic calls of pop-ups taking over computers," Cipriano said. "Many
                times, [the computers] were so severely infected we ended up just
                [reformatting] them."

                About one-third of application crashes reported to Microsoft Corp., in
                Redmond, Wash., are caused by spyware, according to Brendan Foley,
                senior product manager of Microsoft's Windows Antispyware group.

                How does spyware make its way onto all those networks? IT staff at most
                organizations that have had to battle the pernicious programs, including
                Family Credit and SLUSD, admit that they don't know.

                Spyware is typically distributed with other programs in installation
                bundles, such as freeware and computer games. Those bundles might be
                downloaded directly from an adware vendor's Web site or from an
                affiliate Web site, experts say.

                Advertisers recoil from dubious online marketing tactics. _Click here_
                to read more.

                Direct Revenue LLC, of New York, an online marketing company, has more
                than 20 million installations of its three ad programs-Aurora, Ceres and
                SolidPeer-mostly through bundling arrangements with P2P (peer-to-peer)
                software and "a slew" of other consumer programs, such as instant
                messaging smiley-face enhancements, Web browser tool bars, and clock and
                weather programs, downloaded from Direct Revenue affiliate sites,
                according to J.P. Maheu, Direct Revenue's CEO.

                Claria Corp., in Redwood City, Calif., also an online marketer, had
                software running on 40 million desktops at the end of last year,
                according to Reed Freeman, Claria's chief privacy officer.

                Bundling relationships benefit both sides. Application vendors such as
                Kazaa P2P maker Sharman Networks Ltd. collect fees from adware vendors
                for each installation, and adware vendors, such as Claria, ride the
                popularity of the third-party software onto users' PCs.

                Adware and spyware bundling deals are often too good to ignore, even for
                companies that might look askance at helping to distribute spyware and
                adware programs, said Ben Edelman, a Harvard University Law School
                student and an expert on spyware. "Kazaa comes with stuff because Gator
                [Claria] pays $1 per install," Edelman said. "If that was [5 cents],
                Kazaa would think of something else."

                The adware money is also enticing to the thousands of small-business
                owners who operate many of the affiliate Web sites, especially if the
                site owner doesn't understand the technical details of how adware works,
                said Anne Fognano of Leesburg, Va., who runs Clevermoms.com,
                Cleverbabies. com and Cleverdads.com.

                "People who are educated about the problem do the right thing, but there
                are people who will run anything if it makes a buck," Fognano said.

                But pay-per-install commissions are also fueling a scourge of sites that
                execute drive-by downloads, depositing wares on users' computers without
                warning or consent, said David Moll, CEO of anti-spyware company Webroot
                Software, in Boulder, Colo. Drive-by-download sites use software
                exploits, often targeting holes in Microsoft's porous Internet Explorer
                browser, to push Java and ActiveX code to vulnerable machines, Moll said.

                Often, those sites install software that is clearly malicious, such as
                Trojan horse back-door programs, viruses and keyloggers. Just as often,
                however, legitimate adware programs are part of the package,
                anti-spyware experts say.

                An analysis in April of one drive-by-download site showed how Java code
                was used to silently install a gaggle of adware from 180Solutions and
                its competitor, Integrated Search Technologies, including such
                ad-delivery wares as 180Search Assistant, ISTbar, PowerScan and
                SideFind, all without displaying end-user licensing agreements,
                according to a post on Spywareguide. com by Jan Hertsens and Wayne Porter.

                With networks of thousands or tens of thousands of affiliates, online
                marketers said it's hard to stay on top of all sites distributing their
                wares. That lack of oversight may already be breeding shadow networks of
                corrupt affiliates, experts warn.

                Roger Thompson, director of malicious-content research at Computer
                Associates International Inc., of Islandia, N.Y., said he has noted the
                appearance, in recent months, of complex networks of shell Web sites
                that he believes are designed to pull in Web surfers from Internet
                search engines and download malicious code.

                The collections of hundreds or even thousands of registered Web domains,
                which Thompson likens to "spiders' nests," all link to one IP address
                that uses exploits, such as the Internet Explorer iFrame exploit, to
                install malicious code, often with different bundles of programs each
                day, he said.

                Thompson said he believes that adware vendors are benefiting from the
                drive-by downloads and that commissions from the adware vendors could be
                channeled to shadowy, possibly criminal, groups that sponsor the Web
                pages. "There are so many people involved, and the sites change so
                often-with new partners every day-it's very hard to tell where it's all
                going," he said.

                Widespread distributions of adware and spyware pose a major problem for
                companies in such regulated industries as financial services and health
                care, said Webroot's Moll. "How can a financial services company be
                compliant with [the] Gramm-Leach-Bliley [Act] if they have keyloggers on
                their machines?" he asked. "How can a health care institution be
                compliant with HIPAA [Health Insurance Portability and Accountability
                Act] if they have Trojans?"

                Executives at leading online marketing companies said their affiliate
                agreements prohibit drive-by downloads or installations that aren't
                specifically user-authorized. "I can tell you we have a strict set of
                rules [about disclosure], and we're removing distributors who are found
                to not be in compliance with our policies," said Direct Revenue's Maheu.
                Direct Revenue said it has terminated contracts with six distributor
                partners in the last 12 months, but it declined to name the partners,
                citing "legal reasons."

                180Solutions is policing its network of 7,000 to 10,000 affiliate sites,
                according to Dan Todd, 180's president and co-founder, although the
                company declined to list specific actions it has taken, aside from a
                single July 2004 lawsuit against Aztec Marketing Solutions Ltd., which
                accused the affiliate of using drive-by downloads.

                But pressure from outside the adware industry is the most likely agent
                of change in the spyware business. Two federal anti-spyware bills
                covering certain installation, removal and monitoring behaviors, as well
                as disclosure requirements, recently passed the U.S. House of
                Representatives, and lawmakers are optimistic that some anti-spyware
                legislation may be signed into law by year's end, according to Rep. Mary
                Bono, R-Calif., who co-authored HR 29, also called the Spy Act.

                Other players in the adware and spyware food chain are also taking steps
                to cut down on the prevalence of the programs. Commission Junction Inc.,
                a 70,000-member Web site affiliate network based in Santa Barbara,
                Calif., recently banned 180Solutions affiliates from its network and
                told members they could not distribute third-party software without
                explicit approval from Commission Junction, according to company officials.

                LinkShare Corp., another affiliate marketing network, is also asking
                affiliates to reapply so that their sites can be vetted, said Shawn
                Collins of Summit, N.J., an authority on affiliate networking. Still, IT
                administrators are skeptical that new laws and pressure from advertisers
                will make much of a difference when it comes to ending the spyware and
                adware problem. "As with spam, a lot of this stuff comes from overseas,"
                said Family Credit's Beard. "You can't really legislate what's going on."

                Administrators are looking to other means, such as anti-spyware software
                and switching from such vulnerable platforms as Windows and IE. At the
                University of Toledo, in Ohio, for example, administrators are
                encouraging use of browsers other than IE and are evaluating Apple
                Computer Inc.'s new Apple Mini for no other reason than to end spyware
                infections, said Joe Sawasky, interim CIO at the university.

                Beard said he is exploring the use of the Firefox browser at his
                organization. "I don't really know if there's a big fix. As long as
                people keep writing software to get around what's out there trying to
                block it, there will always be new problems," he said.

                Copyright (c) 2005 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved.

                Additional reads:

                * Do Google Ads help fund Spyware -
                http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1825983,00.asp
                * We Need a Spyware Law =
                http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1827950,00.asp
                * A drive by site taps an exploit to infect PC's with malware -
                http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1829174,00.asp
                * Advertisers Leery of Marketers Methods -
                http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1829175,00.asp
                * Larry Seltzer's Security Weblog - http://blog.ziffdavis.com/seltzer

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                PS. Vance, I had similar problems but found that it was just a virus
                that had shut off the Norton and passed by the Zone Alarm. There are
                several viruses out there that operate in that manner. The first time
                your virus program fails to update, it is time to do a scan to see if
                something has invaded your machine. Remember, just because you have
                contracted a virus, does not mean that it has actually executed it's
                "run" files yet. Being observant about your machine may keep you from
                being further infected and allow you to get rid of the virus before it
                can do more damage. The same is somewhat true of malware, in that if you
                notice a slowing down of programs, it is a good time to run a full scan
                of your system. In my opinion, there are some malware or spywares, that
                are more difficult to get rid of than viruses. And further, according to
                the article above, there are folks out there that are being paid to
                sabotage your machine...so be careful of where you go, what you read and
                for sure, what you download.

                I will probably regret saying this but, if a software is not listed at
                the opensource website, and it is free, then there is a very good chance
                that it is carrying a malware. If you choose to still download, be sure
                your anti virus and anti-malware programs are in place and are running.
                Some that is free and looks that good , is probably not free at all.

                vstevens@... wrote:

                > You can have a look at this page
                > http://www.vancestevens.com/weirdos.htm
                >
                > But I haven't really checked into the free stuff since a couple of
                > years ago.
                >
                > I use Norton Internet Security firewall and antivirus now.
                > Worth the money I think.
                >
                > I lost a hdd recently to a combination Zone Alarm and McAfee.
                > Something got in and switched ZA off. Whatever it was also prevented
                > us from updating our spyware. Not sure which program was on duty at
                > the time but I've dismissed them both.
                >
                > Vance
                >
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