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  • Su
    Dear Webheaders, If you use Yahoo email account, and want to download the mail to your pc, YahooPOPs is your solution. You can find YaHOOPOPs at
    Message 1 of 19 , Apr 11, 2003
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      Dear Webheaders,

      If you use Yahoo email account, and want to download the mail to your pc,
      YahooPOPs is your solution.

      You can find YaHOOPOPs at
      http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/index.html
      Here is the message from the web:
      YahooPOPs! is an application which emulates a POP3 mail server and
      provides free POP3 access to Yahoo! It does not depend on Yahoo's POP3
      mail server which became a paid service in April 2002. You can use a
      POP3 mail client of your choice!

      Another choice is Web2POP at
      http://www.jmasoftware.com/english/products/web2pop/index.html
      But it's not free.

      Read its help to find how to set it up.
      Good luck

      ****************************************************
      It is only with the heart that one can see rightly;
      what is essential is invisible to the eye.
      -- from The Little Prince
      Su, Cheng-chao
      ****************************************************
    • NSK
      Hi guys...I hate to just pop in here with my own selfish needs, but someone suggested that I do!! (it s NOT my fault--hahah). I was in this group last month
      Message 2 of 19 , Apr 13, 2003
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        Hi guys...I hate to just pop in here with my own selfish needs, but "someone" suggested that I do!! (it's NOT my fault--hahah). I was in this group last month but I had to get off because I just didn't have time to read anything.

        Anyway, I'm trying to design a course on Intercultural communications. This is for about 20 in-service teachers of English in Mexico. The course is 32 hours, 16 of which are online (Blackboard).

        What I'd like is to make a connection with another group or individuals who'd like to participate in the communication part of the course. I don't have an exact plan yet, but I imagine something like groups of about 4 here and 4 elsewhere working on or discussing various things related to culture. When my class meets in person, the groups would have a chance to talk about their experiences online with the "away" groups.

        I think it would even be feasible to get a paper or something out of the experience to publish. Maybe a "how to" (or how NOT to!!) kinda thing.

        So if you'd like to participate, or if you have any suggestions or comments, it would be great to hear from you.

        Thanks millions. Nancy Keranen, Puebla Mexico.



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      • Don Carroll
        Nancy, Saludos desde Japon! I don t really have a class but I do have a group of people that might be interested in taking part in an intercultural
        Message 3 of 19 , Apr 14, 2003
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          Nancy,

          Saludos desde Japon! I don't really have a "class" but I do have a group
          of people that might be interested in taking part in an intercultural
          communications project. Recently I created an online "space" called
          OneWorld designed to be a meeting place for people from all over the world
          and a clearing house for info on learning English online and world
          culture. It is very much a work in progress and at the moment our group is
          still quite small (about 20) but we expect this to grow rapidly. There are
          currently members from Japan, Kuwait, Venezuela, the US, the UK, Taiwan,
          and Denmark. We would love to be able to add a few Mexicano/as.

          At this point there are two parts to OneWorld. One is a Yahoo Group and
          the other is the website I have been developing along with a few
          others. Here are the addresses:

          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oneworldyourworld/

          http://homepage.mac.com/dcarroll2/oneworld/index.html

          It would really be great if your students could join us here at
          OneWorld. Or perhaps you could use this as a sort of background resource
          for you students. If there is anything else you'd like to know about
          OneWorld, please let me know.

          Don Carroll
          Shikoku Gakuin University, Japan

          PS. Prior to coming to Japan I taught at the Universidad Autonoma de
          Guadalajara and ITESM campus Guadalajara.


          At 06:46 PM 4/13/03 -0700, you wrote:

          >Hi guys...I hate to just pop in here with my own selfish needs, but
          >"someone" suggested that I do!! (it's NOT my fault--hahah). I was in this
          >group last month but I had to get off because I just didn't have time to
          >read anything.


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        • Susanne Nyrop
          Hi Nancy in Mexico, Welcome to Webheads! Your intercultural communication project sounds good and realistic, and I see that Don in Japan already has offered
          Message 4 of 19 , Apr 14, 2003
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            Hi Nancy in Mexico,

            Welcome to Webheads! Your intercultural communication project sounds good
            and realistic, and I see that Don in Japan already has offered to
            collaborate with your students somehow. This community would not exist, it
            it were not for the opportunities to collaborate about many different
            projects, such as yours. This kind of community action need to communicate
            both ways, more or less openly, as some members prefer to arrange their work
            by personal emails and Instant messaging, once they have met here - but
            openness and reporting is certainly encouraged, as we can all learn from
            reading along. (I do not see how your wish for online collabration can be
            selfish; instead please do consider it as an offer to assist someone else
            who need a partner teacher for HIS project, as well :-)

            Maybe you can tell us a little about your ideas. Do you plan to arrange chat
            sessions, use an email list (a Yahoo group like this) or a discussion board
            that can be implemented on your own homepage in a very simple way? In case
            of planning chats, you will experience that people in Japan go to sleep
            about the time when you get up in the morning I think. This is a challenge,
            but can often be managed if the will is strong. One helpful URL for
            calculation of timezone differences is found as a link from this world map
            created by Teresa (in Portugal).

            Yours, Sus in Denmark
            (whose daughter is living in Mexico since the summer 2001)





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          • Susanne Nyrop
            Oops, I was too quick and posted my message to Nancy before I had pasted the link that I promised. As I said, one helpful URL for the needed calculation of
            Message 5 of 19 , Apr 14, 2003
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              Oops, I was too quick and posted my message to Nancy before I had pasted the
              link that I promised. As I said, one helpful URL for the needed calculation
              of timezone differences is found as a link from this Webheads in Action
              world map created by Teresa (in Portugal).
              >
              > http://www.malhatlantica.pt/teresadeca/webheads/wia-worldwide.htm
              >
              Most people click on the pins placed on this map to see who lives where ?
              unfortunately I never found out why my computer resist to show it to me.
              Good luck!

              Yours again,
              Sus
            • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
              Hi, Nancy! Glad you popped in and with an interesting call for participation. It is similar to what we ve done with students of a couple of colleagues. I am
              Message 6 of 19 , Apr 15, 2003
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                Hi, Nancy!

                Glad you popped in and with an interesting call for participation. It is
                similar to what we've done with students of a couple of colleagues.

                I am interested, but would like details when you have them.

                Hope to hear from you!

                Teresa




                >
                > Hi guys...
                > What I'd like is to make a connection with another group or individuals
                who'd like to participate in the communication part of the course. I don't
                have an exact plan yet, but I imagine something like groups of about 4 here
                and 4 elsewhere working on or discussing various things related to
                culture...
                > So if you'd like to participate, or if you have any suggestions or
                comments, it would be great to hear from you.
                >
                > Thanks millions. Nancy Keranen, Puebla Mexico.
              • dafne Chavez
                Hi Don and Webheads all, One of the best features of a CoP is the different levels of knowledge and expertise of its members, that is why there is a rotating
                Message 7 of 19 , Apr 15, 2003
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                  Hi Don and Webheads all, One of the best features of a CoP is the different levels of knowledge and expertise of its members, that is why there is a rotating leadership, and great opportunities for everybody to learn, being active or just reading what others share. However, being a teacher for so many years, tells me that more learning takes place when you get involved. In my case, when I joined WiA, my purpose was to learn from scratch, since I had only used Internet as a source of information for me and my students. So, my purpose from the first moment, was to get involved and learn. Hopefully, through time, and with the help of others I have been learning, and at the same time sharing whatever I have learned with others, which is another feature of CoP's, learning through social scaffolding, and sharing. Even though I have been concerned about the WiA members who do not take active part in the list or in our Sunday and Saturday chats, I also understand that different people may have diverse purposes to join us, and the fact that in spite of their not being active they are still with us, might indicate that they are getting something out of it, even when they do not share it with the rest of us. I have noticed that most of the members who are more active are the ones that often attend our Sunday and Saturday chat meetings at Tapped In, we create stronger bonds because we learn about each other, about our work, our families, our cultures, many of the collaborative projects we have been involved in, have started at those meetings. I do not believe that any member of WiA is intimiditating to the others, we are all colleagues who want to learn, be informed, and I have never felt intimidated because I know less than others, on the contrary, that's what has inspired me to learn and try things I would have never tried on my own, because I have learned that every time I have posed a question or a doubt there has been someone there who has an answer for me. I read the message you sent about photography, and if I were in that CoP, and since my knowledge about the topic is very shallow, I would immediately write asking what is the practical difference between a Bessa and a EOS-3, that makes the latter be more expensive. At the same time I would have made a google search for both terms, to try to find it out, too. This is what I have learned in WiA to do, ask others, and try to get informed about the topics, tools, etc., I am interested in. I would like to hear what other WiA's have to say about this, and I mean it ;-) Daf

                  Don Carroll <dcarroll@...> wrote:Hey fellow webheads!

                  I thought some of you might find it interesting to read an email coming
                  from another CoP, in this case a photography forum I belong to. This is an
                  off-list email that comes at the end of a fairly long thread about the
                  ptifalls of shooting weddings professionally -- and how it would be even
                  more perilous to try to do it with a rangefinder camera instead of the
                  usual sort used by pros. This list BTW is for users of Cosina-Voigtlander
                  (CV) rangefinder cameras and lenses (The Bessa is the name of one of the CV
                  camera).

                  You might find this interesting both in terms of the overall structure of
                  the post (beginning with Joe's praise for the community and inclusive use
                  of "we") as well as an example of how specialist knowledge displayed
                  routinely by core members might easily be bewildering to novices.

                  I would think it would be very hard to evaluate the webhead experience
                  without also looking at the dynamics of other CoP. I'm been a member of
                  many lists over many year including a group for "hog" (Harley Davidson)
                  riders. It has always been a great education.

                  --Don



                  ********************************************************************************************

                  Greetings, Don:

                  Thanks for the thoughtful response. We've got an extraordinary group
                  here, haven't we?

                  I sure love my Bessa, but I realize that it was a pretty radical
                  decision. I would have been wiser to have went with an EOS-3. I'd been
                  saving for nearly a year AND took a little loan from Mom to come up with
                  the $990 that the Bessa and Nok cost from CameraQuest (with camera case
                  and SoftRelease) - the EOS-3 is about that for the body only. Yikes.

                  Well - weddings or not, I'm saving now for a flash unit that can be
                  mounted to a StroboFrame or into a little softbox on a stand (I'll first
                  get the StroboFrame along with the flash). I've seen some beautiful
                  portraits done with just a softbox and a reflector screen. After the
                  softbox and stand (along with the parafinalia to get it all working
                  together), I'm going to try to come up with a lower-budget little slave
                  strobe. I can use that for a little more advanced stuff, like for
                  background, or hair light. My favorite works so far are some of my
                  available light environmental portraits. I love doing portraits.

                  Whoah! I need to be up for work early - gotta run!

                  Joe Polizzi



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                • Fernanda Rodrigues
                  On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:25:12 +0200 ... The action is not to click on the pins but just pass your mouse over the pins... you ll be able to read the Alt text, in
                  Message 8 of 19 , Apr 15, 2003
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                    On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:25:12 +0200
                    Susanne Nyrop <s.nyrop@...> wrote:

                    > > http://www.malhatlantica.pt/teresadeca/webheads/wia-worldwide.htm
                    > >
                    > Most people click on the pins placed on this map to see who lives where ?
                    > unfortunately I never found out why my computer resist to show it to me.
                    > Good luck!
                    >
                    > Yours again,
                    > Sus
                    >
                    The action is not to click on the pins but just pass your mouse over the
                    pins... you'll be able to read the Alt text, in this case, the names of
                    the wia members and the country they are in.
                    ( By the way, Teresa, you need to add my name)

                    Fernanda, in Portugaly
                  • Susanne Nyrop
                    Hi Don, Daf and all, I do like the idea of looking at other kind of CoPs, or Special Interest Groups that is another way around. In the quoted case of Don¹s
                    Message 9 of 19 , Apr 15, 2003
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                      Hi Don, Daf and all,

                      I do like the idea of looking at other kind of CoPs, or Special Interest
                      Groups that is another way around. In the quoted case of Don¹s Bessa
                      Voigtlander cam mail list, it strikes me how many specialist terms are used
                      here. If you happen to overhear photographers, or computer nerds, in a face
                      to face conversaion, you might even think ehty were showing off, or even
                      worse: pissing off their territory, as we say in Danish. But the is also a
                      lot of implicit knowledge transfer, mixed up with a personalizing mention
                      of an upcoming marriage (probably a costly event) and some other irrelevant
                      stuff, references linking to this person¹s real life context and possibly to
                      earlier socializing messages, too.

                      On reading our discussions in WIA, we find a similar mix. Even when there
                      is often strong element of this kind of techno nerded lingo of language
                      educators, you also find messages about more simple sides of life, happier
                      as well as sadder. For instance, we all feel touched by bulletins from the
                      patients about Vance (that we¹re all supposed to know) - and Aiden¹s son
                      (who we now know as JP), and those of us who know Buth (in Kuwait city) felt
                      very concerned about the war and the Iraqi attacks on her city, as well as
                      the critical days in Venezuela some months ago (that¹s wher Dafne¹s family
                      lives, as well as her university). And we¹re probably also affected when we
                      hear about good results, such as new joint-ventures between two or more
                      classes, a book chapter finished , or a new job situation for someone. These
                      details from our personal life trajectories are part of the ongoing bounds
                      and trust building. But I can imagine that some of our members who are just
                      reading along but not repsonding, sometimes feel it that these more personal
                      matters are too trivial or off topic. That would, for instance, be the case
                      when someone has joined the mail list with a personal reason for just
                      collecting tips and tricks, saving useful bookmarks etc. Probably this is
                      the case with the larger part of our about 120 members, probaly most of them
                      are, as Dafne mentions, those who have never come to our Chat workshops.

                      When a new person enter in an ongoing chat situation, there will also be a
                      risk that the others present are not paying enough attention in the very
                      instant ­ some might sit with more questions, or answers ready to type and
                      enter, and sometimes the chat is scrolling so fast that I may not even pay
                      attention to anyone new entering, until I remark that someone is responding
                      directly to the intruder. Don¹t you believe this also happen in face to
                      face situations pretty often, or even more so, in many instances? As some of
                      us have met here for more that a year, we do have developed certain ways of
                      getting around topics that it takes some time to get used to.

                      Actually, I do believe this is all about making relations between boundary
                      members and core members, and how to avoid neglecting the first without
                      losing focus for the latter.
                      If you have some thoughts regarding this, do not hesitate to bring them up
                      here in this forum, or in our weekly chats. I¹ll not say more for now, but
                      let the ball rolling on to whoever is ready for a next turn! Tell us how you
                      feel about all this - what your own actions and reactions have been so far
                      and your suggestions for participant strategies?

                      Yours, Sus
                      (oldie but goodie)

                      PS
                      Just one example: If some of the oldies mention ³being on voice² or ³are
                      you on Wimba², the newcomer will have to ask what this means. He or she may
                      think that Tapped In supports Voice messages, or that Wimba is another room
                      or something INSIDE TI, neither of which is the case. And, when someone
                      says ³The video exercises are made in HotPot !² , then what does that
                      indicate? Just like Daf, I¹ve developed a habit of looking up everything
                      making me curious, or asking ahead until I feel satisfied. That does not
                      even have to do with the special terminology used in the online and virtual
                      environment - my vocabulary of Education-related Special English is growing
                      steadily, as well as my implicit understanding of how others work and live
                      in different cultures. Still, I am aware that modalities like humor, satire,
                      irony and sarcasm is not easily interpreted likewise by everyone.

                      Well, let¹s make it two: A recent example is the page I made up a late night
                      without much deeper reflection on how others would receive it, to celebrate
                      the tradition of April¹s fool - very common here in Denmark and in some
                      other parts of the world. But not always accepted or understood by everyone.
                      < http://home19.inet.tele.dk/susnyrop/fool/april2003.html >

                      Once it was posted on the web and advertised here on the list, I felt scared
                      and uncertian how this kind of making fun with a difficult situation would
                      be interpreted by others. I did not have any wish to be illoyal or cruel.
                      And the more I look at the page, the less I feel this would be the case,
                      today it looks like just childish and innocent satire. mosty for those who
                      were present , virtually or on location. With this, I think I wanted to
                      show how I felt like Alice in the Mad tea party <
                      http://www.snark.de/carroll/alice/alice7.html > when I tried to join the
                      TESOL convention without access to Wimba whre most of the fun and chaos
                      management was taking place. It was fun for me to write that passage. And it
                      has generated some positive feedback (from some of thepeople who know my way
                      to get around things) . But on the other hand, I also felt that it might
                      look like I I was trying to make the situation look as a total fiasco, which
                      was not exactly the case, only a very complex and nearly unmanageable
                      situation where too many people tried to do too much in too little time in
                      too many channels.

                      Now look, even though I promised to stop long ago, I still took up the floor
                      and did not let others room for having their say. Less problematic on mail
                      that in a chat, though. Smile!


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                    • Don Carroll
                      Hey fellow webheads! I thought some of you might find it interesting to read an email coming from another CoP, in this case a photography forum I belong to.
                      Message 10 of 19 , Apr 15, 2003
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                        Hey fellow webheads!

                        I thought some of you might find it interesting to read an email coming
                        from another CoP, in this case a photography forum I belong to. This is an
                        off-list email that comes at the end of a fairly long thread about the
                        ptifalls of shooting weddings professionally -- and how it would be even
                        more perilous to try to do it with a rangefinder camera instead of the
                        usual sort used by pros. This list BTW is for users of Cosina-Voigtlander
                        (CV) rangefinder cameras and lenses (The Bessa is the name of one of the CV
                        camera).

                        You might find this interesting both in terms of the overall structure of
                        the post (beginning with Joe's praise for the community and inclusive use
                        of "we") as well as an example of how specialist knowledge displayed
                        routinely by core members might easily be bewildering to novices.

                        I would think it would be very hard to evaluate the webhead experience
                        without also looking at the dynamics of other CoP. I'm been a member of
                        many lists over many year including a group for "hog" (Harley Davidson)
                        riders. It has always been a great education.

                        --Don



                        ********************************************************************************************

                        Greetings, Don:

                        Thanks for the thoughtful response. We've got an extraordinary group
                        here, haven't we?

                        I sure love my Bessa, but I realize that it was a pretty radical
                        decision. I would have been wiser to have went with an EOS-3. I'd been
                        saving for nearly a year AND took a little loan from Mom to come up with
                        the $990 that the Bessa and Nok cost from CameraQuest (with camera case
                        and SoftRelease) - the EOS-3 is about that for the body only. Yikes.

                        Well - weddings or not, I'm saving now for a flash unit that can be
                        mounted to a StroboFrame or into a little softbox on a stand (I'll first
                        get the StroboFrame along with the flash). I've seen some beautiful
                        portraits done with just a softbox and a reflector screen. After the
                        softbox and stand (along with the parafinalia to get it all working
                        together), I'm going to try to come up with a lower-budget little slave
                        strobe. I can use that for a little more advanced stuff, like for
                        background, or hair light. My favorite works so far are some of my
                        available light environmental portraits. I love doing portraits.

                        Whoah! I need to be up for work early - gotta run!

                        Joe Polizzi



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                      • CJones
                        Hi, Daf and all, ... wrote: Even though I have been concerned about the WiA members who do not take active part in the list or in our Sunday and
                        Message 11 of 19 , Apr 16, 2003
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                          Hi, Daf and all,

                          --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, dafne Chavez
                          <dygonza@y...> wrote:
                          Even though I have been concerned about the WiA members who do not
                          take active part in the list or in our Sunday and Saturday chats, I
                          also understand that different people may have diverse purposes to
                          join us, and the fact that in spite of their not being active they
                          are still with us, might indicate that they are getting something out
                          of it, even when they do not share it with the rest of us. I have
                          noticed that most of the members who are more active are the ones
                          that often attend our Sunday and Saturday chat meetings at Tapped In,
                          we create stronger bonds because we learn about each other, about our
                          work, our families, our cultures, many of the collaborative projects
                          we have been involved in, have started at those meetings.

                          Chris (I) responds:
                          You're probably right that the chat sessions make for stronger
                          bonds. However, I rarely attend them and still feel very close to
                          this group. I don't miss these sessions from lack of interest but
                          because of timing. The Sunday session is at 5 a.m. my time, and I'm
                          often gone for the day on Saturday. I tune in on Saturday whenever I
                          can. I'm sure there are others, especially in the Western
                          hemisphere, who feel the same way.

                          Also, there are plenty of personal comments in the message list, so I
                          feel that I know many of you very well. It helps that occasionally
                          I've had a chat with several of you in YM when I just happened to
                          catch you online. Of course, meeting several people in person at
                          TESOL was an even more positive experience. I look forward to
                          meeting Daf and many of the rest of you some day.

                          In short, I think that those of us who learn the most from this group
                          keep actively involved in one or more ways.

                          Chris Jones
                        • NSK
                          Hi Everyone, Thanks for your interest in encouragement in this project. ..especially Susanne, Don, and Teresa I now have kind of a rough plan. I found an
                          Message 12 of 19 , Apr 16, 2003
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                            Hi Everyone, Thanks for your interest in encouragement in this project. ..especially Susanne, Don, and Teresa

                            I now have kind of a rough plan. I found an article in Forum "Designing a Cross-cultural course." (I love the web) It's by Hans Straub, vol 37(3) July-Sept, 1999. (exchanges.state.gov/forum/vols/vol37/no3/p2)

                            So following his idea, which I like very much, we will start with FTF sessions next week (April 21-26 8 hours) in which we will explore our culture here because we need to know our own culture before 1) we can talk about it, and 2) we can understand another.

                            The things that we will brainstorm in small groups are:

                            1. deciding on what we CAN talk about (sensitivity issues) in this group and in a typical language class.

                            2. describing: values, expectations, behaviors, traditions, customs, rituals, forms of greetings, cultural signs, identity symbols.

                            3. defining culture

                            4. human needs: Maslow's higher order and lower order. Identifying universal needs, culture specific needs

                            5. needs and behavior

                            6. friendship a)how b) when c) with whom

                            7. cultural symbols and rituals

                            I think (hope) that in 8 hours we can come to some understanding of those things and then we're ready to start the intercultural part.

                            What I imagine is that another group will similarly spend some time thinking and discussing those things. Then, in the weeks following (from April 28th on to, well basically whenever or wherever we get to (the official end of the course is July 5th. We have meetings May 31st, which we won't have because I'll be in Minneapolis at the LTE conference, and two big meetings during the week of June 30th.)

                            I would like to use Blackboard because I can keep track of usage and those evaluation type things. I would sign up everyone with a username and password. I'm thinking that it would be nice to make forums in the discussion section for talking about specific things...like a "cultural ritual room." Or I was also thinking of just putting people in small groups and they can talk about everything...but now that I write this, I like the forum idea better. ..I'm definitely up for suggestions.

                            As for synchronous interaction--like chat, I don't think it would work with this group because of the time differences and I don't think that everyone has a connection at home.

                            Don, I've marked your site and will definitely make a link to it from Blackboard. I think that for this course, though it would be a little too "open" for them. I mean, I think that they need some tasks and some topics to talk about. ...but that will lead to more open types of intercultural experiences. (this is what I'm guessing). I think that the Yahoo Groups site is great too, but I wanted to keep it in Blackboard so I can keep track of things, ya know. Maybe your people can migrate to BB for a while. ??? (except that our bb is now going to be in Spanish...I mean all the buttons and stuff, but I'm sure users could figure it out. ..they will basically be going to the "discussion board" section. The language of the course and all the interaction is in English)

                            We will be reading online articles and links related to the topic esp those related to incorporating this into lessons. I'll put those things in bb too. I found a great series of papers by Stephen Dahl about the topic, I'm going to put them in bb. (http://www.stephweb.com/capstone/) So certainly your involvement can be as much or as little as you want. The ss here will have to have something like a final project too, which I haven't figured out yet! eeeee...and I want to have a vacation!! and the class starts next week.....PANIC!! hahahha. nah, only mild panic. :-D

                            Anyway, as I stated before, I'm pretty sure that the group "leaders" could get a paper out of the whole experience. I think that this is still new enough that our experiences would be interesting to someone. I know we could publish it somewhere. There are a lot of opportunities for that kind of stuff.

                            So that's how I envision the plan at this moment. Let me know what you think...

                            Nancy K. :-)



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                          • Fernanda Rodrigues
                            On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:43:10 -0000 ... Pardon my ignorance, but what is YM? Fernanda (in Portugal)
                            Message 13 of 19 , Apr 17, 2003
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                              On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:43:10 -0000
                              "CJones" <edtec2002@...> wrote:


                              >
                              > Chris (I) responds:

                              > Also, there are plenty of personal comments in the message list, so I
                              > feel that I know many of you very well. It helps that occasionally
                              > I've had a chat with several of you in YM when I just happened to
                              > catch you online.
                              > Chris Jones


                              Pardon my ignorance, but what is YM?

                              Fernanda (in Portugal)
                            • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
                              Hi, Fernanda! YM is Yahoo Messenger (and TI is Tapped In). Happy Easter! Teresa
                              Message 14 of 19 , Apr 17, 2003
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                                Hi, Fernanda!

                                YM is Yahoo Messenger (and TI is Tapped In).

                                Happy Easter!

                                Teresa



                                > Pardon my ignorance, but what is YM?
                                >
                                > Fernanda (in Portugal)
                              • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
                                Hi, Nancy! I just found the article (your link below lacks .htm at the end) and will read it. Your plan (based on the article) sounds quite interesting. It ll
                                Message 15 of 19 , Apr 18, 2003
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                                  Hi, Nancy!

                                  I just found the article (your link below lacks .htm at the end) and will
                                  read it. Your plan (based on the article) sounds quite interesting.

                                  It'll be fun to go back to Blackboard and use it. Susanne and I were part of
                                  the Bb team last year who analyzed the site and came up with a very simple
                                  tutorial on basic stuff for our WiA colleagues. If you're interested in
                                  looking at it, it's at

                                  http://www.malhatlantica.pt/teresadeca/webheads/bb.htm

                                  I think the forum idea will give everybody a chance to participate, but I
                                  guess you could also try the groups, at least with chat. If chat doesn't
                                  work for everybody in the group simultaneously, maybe you could have chat
                                  groups, grouping people according to time zones. It could be an interesting
                                  experience.

                                  Though I've never taught an online course, my feeling is that having tasks
                                  and topics is important and will keep them on track.

                                  As to Bb in Spanish, I don't think that will be a problem.

                                  Yes, this may be a very good and interesting first experience for a paper.

                                  Go ahead and take your vacation, Nancy, because a pause can be very
                                  eye-opening when we come back. Things can get done in much less time than
                                  when we're stressed out.

                                  Happy Easter!

                                  Teresa

                                  > Hi Everyone, Thanks for your interest in encouragement in this project.
                                  ..especially Susanne, Don, and Teresa
                                  >
                                  > I now have kind of a rough plan. I found an article in Forum "Designing a
                                  Cross-cultural course." (I love the web) It's by Hans Straub, vol 37(3)
                                  July-Sept, 1999. (exchanges.state.gov/forum/vols/vol37/no3/p2)
                                  >
                                  . . .
                                  > I would like to use Blackboard . . . I'm thinking that it would be nice
                                  to make forums in the discussion section for talking about specific
                                  things...like a "cultural ritual room." Or I was also thinking of just
                                  putting people in small groups and they can talk about everything...but now
                                  that I write this, I like the forum idea better. ..I'm definitely up for
                                  suggestions.
                                  >
                                  > As for synchronous interaction--like chat, I don't think it would work wit
                                  h this group because of the time differences and I don't think that everyone
                                  has a connection at home.
                                  >
                                  > . . . I think that they need some tasks and some topics to talk about. . .
                                  our bb is now going to be in Spanish. . . The language of the course and all
                                  the interaction is in English)
                                  >
                                  > We will be reading online articles and links related to the topic . . .
                                  The ss here will have to have something like a final project too, which I
                                  haven't figured out yet! eeeee...and I want to have a vacation!! and the
                                  class starts next week.....PANIC!! hahahha. nah, only mild panic. :-D
                                  >
                                  > Anyway, as I stated before, I'm pretty sure that the group "leaders" could
                                  get a paper out of the whole experience. . .
                                  >
                                  > So that's how I envision the plan at this moment. Let me know what you
                                  think...
                                  >
                                  > Nancy K. :-)
                                • Anne Fox
                                  Hi Nancy Desperately trying to catch up after a week away and a week of visitors so my reply to this is a bit late. A course, or more precisely a unit, in
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Apr 29, 2003
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                                    Hi Nancy
                                    Desperately trying to catch up after a week away and a week of
                                    visitors so my reply to this is a bit late. A course, or more
                                    precisely a unit, in intercultural communications is exactly what I
                                    am working on at the moment since it is what I intend to do for my
                                    TEFL MA project and I am also involved in a project proposal on this
                                    topic which, if approved, would start in October concentrating on
                                    raising inter-cultural competence of teachers of adults generally.

                                    At the moment the ideas for a unit in intercultural communication are
                                    mostly in my head but I do have lots, mainly fuelled by what I read
                                    in this group, and especially Daf's documented experiences of online
                                    learning. What I need to do is sit down and sort them out into a
                                    coherent plan but only after I have finished the rest of the MA
                                    modules.

                                    I have no specific students in mind as I work in a self-access centre
                                    which unemployed adults attend for short periods of time but I am
                                    hoping that a small group of them would be interested in taking part.
                                    However I am considering attracting a larger (but not too large)
                                    number of people by offering the unit online.

                                    I don't really want to say anymore about it at the moment because it
                                    is so unplanned as yet but I could not resist replying to you as it
                                    may give me the chance for a bit of discussion and feedback on my
                                    plans as otherwise I am working pretty much alone since this is a
                                    distance TEFL course.

                                    You are right about the resources available on the net and in fact it
                                    was the quality and quantity of those resources freely available
                                    especially from the American Peace Corps which made me decide that I
                                    should concentrate on the process rather than the content of such a
                                    learning unit.

                                    Anne

                                    --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, NSK <lajoya108@y...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hi guys...I hate to just pop in here with my own selfish needs,
                                    but "someone" suggested that I do!! (it's NOT my fault--hahah). I was
                                    in this group last month but I had to get off because I just didn't
                                    have time to read anything.
                                    >
                                    > Anyway, I'm trying to design a course on Intercultural
                                    communications. This is for about 20 in-service teachers of English
                                    in Mexico. The course is 32 hours, 16 of which are online
                                    (Blackboard).
                                    >
                                    > What I'd like is to make a connection with another group or
                                    individuals who'd like to participate in the communication part of
                                    the course. I don't have an exact plan yet, but I imagine something
                                    like groups of about 4 here and 4 elsewhere working on or discussing
                                    various things related to culture. When my class meets in person, the
                                    groups would have a chance to talk about their experiences online
                                    with the "away" groups.
                                    >
                                    > I think it would even be feasible to get a paper or something out
                                    of the experience to publish. Maybe a "how to" (or how NOT to!!)
                                    kinda thing.
                                    >
                                    > So if you'd like to participate, or if you have any suggestions or
                                    comments, it would be great to hear from you.
                                    >
                                    > Thanks millions. Nancy Keranen, Puebla Mexico.
                                    >
                                    >
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                                  • Dafne
                                    Dear Nancy, and All I found this new article from the last issue of the online journal Language Learning and Technology which may be of interest to you:
                                    Message 17 of 19 , May 4 2:28 AM
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                                      Dear Nancy, and All

                                      I found this new article from the last issue of the online journal
                                      Language Learning and Technology which may be of interest to you:

                                      UNDERSTANDING THE "OTHER SIDE": INTERCULTURAL LEARNING IN A SPANISH-
                                      ENGLISH E-MAIL EXCHANGE by Robert O'dowd - University of Essen -
                                      Germany


                                      http://llt.msu.edu/vol7num2/odowd/default.html


                                      Happy Sunday to everybody!!!

                                      Daf


                                      > >
                                      > > I now have kind of a rough plan. I found an article in
                                      Forum "Designing a
                                      > Cross-cultural course." (I love the web) It's by Hans Straub, vol 37
                                      (3)
                                      > July-Sept, 1999. (exchanges.state.gov/forum/vols/vol37/no3/p2)
                                      > >
                                      > . . .
                                      > > I would like to use Blackboard . . . I'm thinking that it would
                                      be nice
                                      > to make forums in the discussion section for talking about specific
                                      > things...like a "cultural ritual room." Or I was also thinking of
                                      just
                                      > putting people in small groups and they can talk about
                                      everything...but now
                                      > that I write this, I like the forum idea better. ..I'm definitely
                                      up for
                                      > suggestions.
                                      > >
                                      > > As for synchronous interaction--like chat, I don't think it would
                                      work wit
                                      > h this group because of the time differences and I don't think that
                                      everyone
                                      > has a connection at home.
                                      > >
                                      > > . . . I think that they need some tasks and some topics to talk
                                      about. . .
                                      > our bb is now going to be in Spanish. . . The language of the
                                      course and all
                                      > the interaction is in English)
                                      > >
                                      > > We will be reading online articles and links related to the
                                      topic . . .
                                      > The ss here will have to have something like a final project too,
                                      which I
                                      > haven't figured out yet! eeeee...and I want to have a vacation!!
                                      and the
                                      > class starts next week.....PANIC!! hahahha. nah, only mild panic. :-
                                      D
                                      > >
                                      > > Anyway, as I stated before, I'm pretty sure that the
                                      group "leaders" could
                                      > get a paper out of the whole experience. . .
                                      > >
                                      > > So that's how I envision the plan at this moment. Let me know
                                      what you
                                      > think...
                                      > >
                                      > > Nancy K. :-)
                                    • NSK
                                      I don t even know if I can be classified as a lurker! Maybe more of a deleter! :-( There isn t enough time to be involved in everything. ..unfortunately.
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Aug 4, 2003
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                                        I don't even know if I can be classified as a lurker! Maybe more of a deleter! :-( There isn't enough time to be involved in everything. ..unfortunately.

                                        Anyway, I had an online course on intercultural communications. Teresa and Arlen Freed were two people from webheads that participated..when they could. We also had about 22 people from Turkey, 1 from China, 2 from the US, 2 from Canada and our class of 15 in Puebla, Mexico.

                                        The course was delivered on Blackboard. We used mainly the discussion board area which was divided into 17 cultural rooms ...each with a cultural theme like life rituals, food and taboos, clothing, school and work etc.

                                        We were rolling along nicely for about a month when my univ decided to upgrade bb and change the address. When they migrated the course to the new site, they lost about 70% of the discussions and we lost 100% of the remote participants. :-( Boy, was that discouraging! :-((

                                        They managed to retrieve the lost discussions and sent them ALL to me in a zip file. sheesh. I made new "rooms" with the recovered material, and then assigned rooms to my ss here. So each room had an owner. They were responsible for reporting what cultural discoveries or shared things happened in their rooms. That was their final project...to report on their rooms. I put the reports in the course documents area so they could all read them.

                                        I think it could have been a very nice course if we hadn't had the "disaster." !!! Everyone was very eager to share cultures. But those things happen. I hope I can get a chance to do it again some time.

                                        Nancy Keranen, Puebla MX


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                                      • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
                                        Dear Nancy, Thank you for your private reply to my private message and for your understanding about my brief participation. I had no idea that there had been
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Aug 4, 2003
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                                          Dear Nancy,

                                          Thank you for your private reply to my private message and for your
                                          understanding about my brief participation.

                                          I had no idea that there had been 'the' Blackboard disaster! What awful
                                          timing for an update! Anyway, you seem to have managed the situation quite
                                          well. And with all the experience you gained, next time things will run much
                                          better. :-)

                                          Keep in touch. Best wishes,

                                          Teresa
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